VH in Concert

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VH in Concert

Postby Eyeof » Fri May 04, 2012 10:44 pm

I've put off writing this up for about a week, but had the chance to check out DLR and the guys last week live. While not a sell out, there was a very good crowd at the show.

To be very honest, I thought this year's show was quite a letdown and the reaction of the crowd around me, as well as the local newspaper reviews seem to say the same thing. The show just paled in comparison in every way to the 2007 version. The stage was completely stripped down to nothing (sans the biggest video board behind them I might have ever seen), the setlist was not quite as good as last time and the sound was really, really off (might have been the venue, I'm not sure, but Kool and the Gang sounded fine).

But honestly the biggest issue I had (and this surprised me a great deal, because if felt so different in '07) was that for the most part the band approached the show like a group of factory workers hitting the clock on a Friday morning. You had the honest feel they were putting their time in until they could get out of there. There exist zero and i man a big 0 chemistry between the Van Halen's an Roth. None, nada, nothing....The Van Halen trio appeared to be as annoyed by Roth's banter (which included a 15 plus minute discussion about farming and sheep dogs that somehow leads into Ice Cream Man). I'm not bagging on DLR, he honestly appeared to be trying, but I got the vibe of when four people go out to a bar and they bring one guy, whom nobody likes and he gets really drunk and acts out and the others are mad as hell. It's strage. It was really, really strange.

As for Roth, his movement seemed confined for the most part to a 10 x 10 area in the center of the stage, where there was some type of 'dance floor' built...

One good note is that I've never seen Eddie look so healthy. He has some 'meat on his bones' and he seemed happy in general. I enjoyed his guitar solo and it was a highlight of the show. I also realized no more than they were putting into this, it is most likely the last time (sans a Sammy, Gary, Dave tour or something huge) I am going to see him play live.

I had no complaints with Wolfie's play or singing. He never moves, has almost zero interaction with the band and none with the crowd (same with Alex - interaction I mean, I know he can't move). It looks on stage as if Wolfie has never even met David Lee Roth, it's so bizarre.

At any rate, I want to be very clear. I loved the 2007 tour. While I prefer, Hagar, the '07 show moved me. I downloaded numerous boots and would by a DVD of it this second if it came out. This show, I was honestly counting down the songs for it just to end.

One example, in '07 I will never forget the feel and vibe when the band played 'I'll Wait'. Roth strutted around to the licks and the atmosphere just was electric. This go around, same song. Not one person even hardly moved. I don't know.

Again, Eddie's playing may have fallen off a little, little bit, but the man was stellar for sure. Wolfie was fine, and Alex beat it home.

DLR, really seemed to try his best, but all I could think about when I watched and listened to him at times was an 80 year old grandma saying 'bless his heart he's special'....

Maybe it was an off night...maybe I had an off night...But i did leave feeling very underwhelmed.

Hopefully, it was the latter.
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Postby masque » Sat May 05, 2012 3:53 am

ok heres the short version of that review for those of you who dont have time to read it: van halen sucked ass that night!!!

LOL....it's ok man, sometimes you just dont connect to the band when they play (any band not just van halen).......they may have indeed been "off" that night or as you said something may have not been clicking for you but at any rate the tour overall is getting very positive reviews but there will always be people that dont enjoy a show even one that is going over well with the "masses".
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Postby ltbob » Sat May 05, 2012 9:24 am

Must just be yer night. If yer talkin bout St.louis 2 of my wifes friends went and had a blast. One isnt even a V.H. fan. Ive seen V.H. 6 times live and have never seen Ed play like he has been on this tour. In 05 in Indy I thought Ed was terrible,for him anyways so not just standin upforhim. bla bla bla Cya
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Postby Eyeof » Mon May 07, 2012 11:48 am

Well the guys that went with me thought pretty much the same as me and all the reviews in the papers were close to that...it was not St. Louis....As for Eddie, he played as well as ever...

It was a chemistry thing for me...they didn't have any....and in '07 they did...

Maybe they were having an off night, but i went there excited to see the show, and it was pretty much a let down for me and every person I've spoken to that went...
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Postby AR » Wed May 09, 2012 9:57 am

Here's the entire Indianapolis show. Maybe you'll like it better.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUxcaUlyH5I
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Postby ltbob » Wed May 09, 2012 8:30 pm

Watch u tube tacoma "jump".
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Postby FamilyMan » Fri May 25, 2012 9:50 am

The band, apparently, is having the same reaction to their own shows as you did. That's why they're "taking a breather." whatever... :roll:
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My KC Review

Postby lowdbrent » Sat May 26, 2012 10:13 am

At first I did not get the Kool and the Gang opener. Now I do. KATG was killer. Even the oldest members were still great. Their moves were tight. The trumpet player has to be in his fifties at least, and he did a cartwheel during his solo. It was great. They were there for the ladies. There were some guys getting into them. I think they were there to warm up the ladies. I think it is a brilliant move on DLR's part. Kevin did a great job mixing on the Avid Venue. The vocals were stellar. It was the cleanest lower volume mix I have heard in The Sprint Center.

VH was great. The first song was a bit rough, but that is not uncommon. It was full of energy and it gave me time to elbow the dingle berries taking pics out of my way so I could take mine, IN MY RIGHTFUL SEAT. Security was great. They politely kept the isles free of drunken stage rushers. Back to the show. VH seemed to be connecting on stage, in a way that they didn't with Hagar. I saw and heard them messing with each other. Eddie was coming out of a solo when Alex delayed coming in on purpose, with a great big smile. Ed repeated the last line three times, smiling back with the look, "Hey...heeeeellooooo?" It was awesome. There is no denying the synergy of family. Those guys were tight. China Town was tight. There were more than a few occasions when Ed looked over with smiles at his son, acknowledging his playing. There was at least one time when I saw all three kind of smile at the playing, almost simultaneously.

I love MA. To me, VH is not VH without him. But, Valerie told Johnny Dare on 98.9 The Rock that Ed would not be on tour without his son. There is something going here. This is more than Mike getting the axe because of the hot sauce/selling it in conjunction with VH fame, etc. This is a means for Ed to connect with his son, and then set things up to pass on the family business some day. Wolfgang's vocals were very strong. His harmonies were 98% on pitch, and they were powerful. He is a big boy too. I had no sense of scale until I saw them all in person, side by side. I bet he could be a thunder drummer.

Ed's vocals were good. I saw them before Hagar left, when Hagar came back, but not with Roth last time. Ed played effortlessly, coherently, skillfully. There were no distractions. He had a smile on his face almost all night. He looked as if he was really having a fun time. In the past. he did not look like he was having fun. He looked like he was fighting. I did not perceive that vibe.

DLR was DLR. He told some stories I had not heard. There was a collective "huuuh" from the audience after one of them (about Panama IIRC). When Roth showed the video of his dog and told of his activities competing, it added some depth and maturity to his image. Of course, he was full of Diamond Dave-isms. But he really came across as a human capable of being more than an arrogant SOB rock star, looking to bang some chicks. Well....rockstars and chicks go together. Anyway....

Alex...man he sounded great. He just makes the whole machine punch. He looked like he was enjoying himself, having fun with his brother, and even kind of instructing with Dave.

The video and lighting were great. The sound was excellent. The Sprint Center sucks. It is a nightmare. Those guys did a great job with the line arrays, etc. It was a great stereo mix, and it was completely intelligible, and not that fatiguing. One could have listened without hearing protection for a little while. The FOH guy did a great job preserving the band's dynamics. It was not over compressed. It punched.

Here is what I learned. Roth can still hit those high notes, and he can deliver. I noticed that he was a little raspy toward the end of the night, which is to be expected. He CAN sing. What I realized is that it is not his singing that I have problems with. It is his scat type delivery that jacks it up for me. I want to sing along, and my references are the records. If he could just do what is on the records, I would be happier. Don't get me wrong, DLR did what he does best. He can still sing those high notes with authority. I just wish he would stick to the melody a bit more, or at least do his thing on the beat/back beat, etc.
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Re: My KC Review

Postby Rick » Sat May 26, 2012 10:30 am

lowdbrent wrote:At first I did not get the Kool and the Gang opener. Now I do. KATG was killer. Even the oldest members were still great. Their moves were tight. The trumpet player has to be in his fifties at least, and he did a cartwheel during his solo. It was great. They were there for the ladies. There were some guys getting into them. I think they were there to warm up the ladies. I think it is a brilliant move on DLR's part. Kevin did a great job mixing on the Avid Venue. The vocals were stellar. It was the cleanest lower volume mix I have heard in The Sprint Center.

VH was great. The first song was a bit rough, but that is not uncommon. It was full of energy and it gave me time to elbow the dingle berries taking pics out of my way so I could take mine, IN MY RIGHTFUL SEAT. Security was great. They politely kept the isles free of drunken stage rushers. Back to the show. VH seemed to be connecting on stage, in a way that they didn't with Hagar. I saw and heard them messing with each other. Eddie was coming out of a solo when Alex delayed coming in on purpose, with a great big smile. Ed repeated the last line three times, smiling back with the look, "Hey...heeeeellooooo?" It was awesome. There is no denying the synergy of family. Those guys were tight. China Town was tight. There were more than a few occasions when Ed looked over with smiles at his son, acknowledging his playing. There was at least one time when I saw all three kind of smile at the playing, almost simultaneously.

I love MA. To me, VH is not VH without him. But, Valerie told Johnny Dare on 98.9 The Rock that Ed would not be on tour without his son. There is something going here. This is more than Mike getting the axe because of the hot sauce/selling it in conjunction with VH fame, etc. This is a means for Ed to connect with his son, and then set things up to pass on the family business some day. Wolfgang's vocals were very strong. His harmonies were 98% on pitch, and they were powerful. He is a big boy too. I had no sense of scale until I saw them all in person, side by side. I bet he could be a thunder drummer.

Ed's vocals were good. I saw them before Hagar left, when Hagar came back, but not with Roth last time. Ed played effortlessly, coherently, skillfully. There were no distractions. He had a smile on his face almost all night. He looked as if he was really having a fun time. In the past. he did not look like he was having fun. He looked like he was fighting. I did not perceive that vibe.

DLR was DLR. He told some stories I had not heard. There was a collective "huuuh" from the audience after one of them (about Panama IIRC). When Roth showed the video of his dog and told of his activities competing, it added some depth and maturity to his image. Of course, he was full of Diamond Dave-isms. But he really came across as a human capable of being more than an arrogant SOB rock star, looking to bang some chicks. Well....rockstars and chicks go together. Anyway....

Alex...man he sounded great. He just makes the whole machine punch. He looked like he was enjoying himself, having fun with his brother, and even kind of instructing with Dave.

The video and lighting were great. The sound was excellent. The Sprint Center sucks. It is a nightmare. Those guys did a great job with the line arrays, etc. It was a great stereo mix, and it was completely intelligible, and not that fatiguing. One could have listened without hearing protection for a little while. The FOH guy did a great job preserving the band's dynamics. It was not over compressed. It punched.

Here is what I learned. Roth can still hit those high notes, and he can deliver. I noticed that he was a little raspy toward the end of the night, which is to be expected. He CAN sing. What I realized is that it is not his singing that I have problems with. It is his scat type delivery that jacks it up for me. I want to sing along, and my references are the records. If he could just do what is on the records, I would be happier. Don't get me wrong, DLR did what he does best. He can still sing those high notes with authority. I just wish he would stick to the melody a bit more, or at least do his thing on the beat/back beat, etc.


So glad to read this review, after some negative ones. Personally, I think DLR's change-ups are to avoid registers in his voice that he struggles with. Outside of that, I think he's 10x the showman and a much better song writer, FOR VAN HALEN, than Sammy is.
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Re: My KC Review

Postby slucero » Sat May 26, 2012 12:09 pm

Rick wrote:
lowdbrent wrote:At first I did not get the Kool and the Gang opener. Now I do. KATG was killer. Even the oldest members were still great. Their moves were tight. The trumpet player has to be in his fifties at least, and he did a cartwheel during his solo. It was great. They were there for the ladies. There were some guys getting into them. I think they were there to warm up the ladies. I think it is a brilliant move on DLR's part. Kevin did a great job mixing on the Avid Venue. The vocals were stellar. It was the cleanest lower volume mix I have heard in The Sprint Center.

VH was great. The first song was a bit rough, but that is not uncommon. It was full of energy and it gave me time to elbow the dingle berries taking pics out of my way so I could take mine, IN MY RIGHTFUL SEAT. Security was great. They politely kept the isles free of drunken stage rushers. Back to the show. VH seemed to be connecting on stage, in a way that they didn't with Hagar. I saw and heard them messing with each other. Eddie was coming out of a solo when Alex delayed coming in on purpose, with a great big smile. Ed repeated the last line three times, smiling back with the look, "Hey...heeeeellooooo?" It was awesome. There is no denying the synergy of family. Those guys were tight. China Town was tight. There were more than a few occasions when Ed looked over with smiles at his son, acknowledging his playing. There was at least one time when I saw all three kind of smile at the playing, almost simultaneously.

I love MA. To me, VH is not VH without him. But, Valerie told Johnny Dare on 98.9 The Rock that Ed would not be on tour without his son. There is something going here. This is more than Mike getting the axe because of the hot sauce/selling it in conjunction with VH fame, etc. This is a means for Ed to connect with his son, and then set things up to pass on the family business some day. Wolfgang's vocals were very strong. His harmonies were 98% on pitch, and they were powerful. He is a big boy too. I had no sense of scale until I saw them all in person, side by side. I bet he could be a thunder drummer.

Ed's vocals were good. I saw them before Hagar left, when Hagar came back, but not with Roth last time. Ed played effortlessly, coherently, skillfully. There were no distractions. He had a smile on his face almost all night. He looked as if he was really having a fun time. In the past. he did not look like he was having fun. He looked like he was fighting. I did not perceive that vibe.

DLR was DLR. He told some stories I had not heard. There was a collective "huuuh" from the audience after one of them (about Panama IIRC). When Roth showed the video of his dog and told of his activities competing, it added some depth and maturity to his image. Of course, he was full of Diamond Dave-isms. But he really came across as a human capable of being more than an arrogant SOB rock star, looking to bang some chicks. Well....rockstars and chicks go together. Anyway....

Alex...man he sounded great. He just makes the whole machine punch. He looked like he was enjoying himself, having fun with his brother, and even kind of instructing with Dave.

The video and lighting were great. The sound was excellent. The Sprint Center sucks. It is a nightmare. Those guys did a great job with the line arrays, etc. It was a great stereo mix, and it was completely intelligible, and not that fatiguing. One could have listened without hearing protection for a little while. The FOH guy did a great job preserving the band's dynamics. It was not over compressed. It punched.

Here is what I learned. Roth can still hit those high notes, and he can deliver. I noticed that he was a little raspy toward the end of the night, which is to be expected. He CAN sing. What I realized is that it is not his singing that I have problems with. It is his scat type delivery that jacks it up for me. I want to sing along, and my references are the records. If he could just do what is on the records, I would be happier. Don't get me wrong, DLR did what he does best. He can still sing those high notes with authority. I just wish he would stick to the melody a bit more, or at least do his thing on the beat/back beat, etc.


So glad to read this review, after some negative ones. Personally, I think DLR's change-ups are to avoid registers in his voice that he struggles with. Outside of that, I think he's 10x the showman and a much better song writer, FOR VAN HALEN, than Sammy is.



Well that is the difference... with SH/VH you get a concert... with DLR/VR you get a show... :lol:

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Re: My KC Review

Postby Rick » Sat May 26, 2012 12:15 pm

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Rick wrote:
lowdbrent wrote:At first I did not get the Kool and the Gang opener. Now I do. KATG was killer. Even the oldest members were still great. Their moves were tight. The trumpet player has to be in his fifties at least, and he did a cartwheel during his solo. It was great. They were there for the ladies. There were some guys getting into them. I think they were there to warm up the ladies. I think it is a brilliant move on DLR's part. Kevin did a great job mixing on the Avid Venue. The vocals were stellar. It was the cleanest lower volume mix I have heard in The Sprint Center.

VH was great. The first song was a bit rough, but that is not uncommon. It was full of energy and it gave me time to elbow the dingle berries taking pics out of my way so I could take mine, IN MY RIGHTFUL SEAT. Security was great. They politely kept the isles free of drunken stage rushers. Back to the show. VH seemed to be connecting on stage, in a way that they didn't with Hagar. I saw and heard them messing with each other. Eddie was coming out of a solo when Alex delayed coming in on purpose, with a great big smile. Ed repeated the last line three times, smiling back with the look, "Hey...heeeeellooooo?" It was awesome. There is no denying the synergy of family. Those guys were tight. China Town was tight. There were more than a few occasions when Ed looked over with smiles at his son, acknowledging his playing. There was at least one time when I saw all three kind of smile at the playing, almost simultaneously.

I love MA. To me, VH is not VH without him. But, Valerie told Johnny Dare on 98.9 The Rock that Ed would not be on tour without his son. There is something going here. This is more than Mike getting the axe because of the hot sauce/selling it in conjunction with VH fame, etc. This is a means for Ed to connect with his son, and then set things up to pass on the family business some day. Wolfgang's vocals were very strong. His harmonies were 98% on pitch, and they were powerful. He is a big boy too. I had no sense of scale until I saw them all in person, side by side. I bet he could be a thunder drummer.

Ed's vocals were good. I saw them before Hagar left, when Hagar came back, but not with Roth last time. Ed played effortlessly, coherently, skillfully. There were no distractions. He had a smile on his face almost all night. He looked as if he was really having a fun time. In the past. he did not look like he was having fun. He looked like he was fighting. I did not perceive that vibe.

DLR was DLR. He told some stories I had not heard. There was a collective "huuuh" from the audience after one of them (about Panama IIRC). When Roth showed the video of his dog and told of his activities competing, it added some depth and maturity to his image. Of course, he was full of Diamond Dave-isms. But he really came across as a human capable of being more than an arrogant SOB rock star, looking to bang some chicks. Well....rockstars and chicks go together. Anyway....

Alex...man he sounded great. He just makes the whole machine punch. He looked like he was enjoying himself, having fun with his brother, and even kind of instructing with Dave.

The video and lighting were great. The sound was excellent. The Sprint Center sucks. It is a nightmare. Those guys did a great job with the line arrays, etc. It was a great stereo mix, and it was completely intelligible, and not that fatiguing. One could have listened without hearing protection for a little while. The FOH guy did a great job preserving the band's dynamics. It was not over compressed. It punched.

Here is what I learned. Roth can still hit those high notes, and he can deliver. I noticed that he was a little raspy toward the end of the night, which is to be expected. He CAN sing. What I realized is that it is not his singing that I have problems with. It is his scat type delivery that jacks it up for me. I want to sing along, and my references are the records. If he could just do what is on the records, I would be happier. Don't get me wrong, DLR did what he does best. He can still sing those high notes with authority. I just wish he would stick to the melody a bit more, or at least do his thing on the beat/back beat, etc.


So glad to read this review, after some negative ones. Personally, I think DLR's change-ups are to avoid registers in his voice that he struggles with. Outside of that, I think he's 10x the showman and a much better song writer, FOR VAN HALEN, than Sammy is.



Well that is the difference... with SH/VH you get a concert... with DLR/VR you get a show... :lol:


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Re: My KC Review

Postby AR » Tue May 29, 2012 6:40 am

lowdbrent wrote: I noticed that he was a little raspy toward the end of the night, which is to be expected. He CAN sing. What I realized is that it is not his singing that I have problems with. It is his scat type delivery that jacks it up for me. I want to sing along, and my references are the records. If he could just do what is on the records, I would be happier. Don't get me wrong, DLR did what he does best. He can still sing those high notes with authority. I just wish he would stick to the melody a bit more, or at least do his thing on the beat/back beat, etc.


That was always the problem with Lou Gramm in Foreigner. His delivery was not like the records and you could not really sing along.
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Postby lowdbrent » Wed May 30, 2012 12:58 pm

Evidently VH rocked Vegas, and the reviews are nothing short of stellar.
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Van Halen live in Los Angeles, June 9th

Postby STARFIRE » Mon Jun 11, 2012 3:46 am

I couldn't make it to the June 2nd show but when they added the 9th, my wife decided to buy me tickets for my birthday. :-)

They sounded good but I was cognizant of backing tracks. The "drum solo" by Alex Van Halen was pretty surreal--more backing audio and video tricks than him doing his thing, but they're in their late 50s so it's kind of a remarkable he's beating out songs like Chinatown and Hot for Teacher still.

His brother Eddie sounded much better last night than he did the first time I saw him back to DLR In Los Angeles or even the time before in San Jose in 2004 with Sammy Hagar. He has hit timing, Hot for Teacher wasn't a hot, sloppy mess like it was when I saw him try to play it with DLR in '08... Wolfgang also sounded pretty good, especially on backing vocals. In fact, him and his dad were doing MOST of the singing. David Lee Roth was just screaming and talking most of the time, and the while looping the same corny 23 Skidoo dance routine. It was good to see the jumps and high kicks have yet to be retired, even at their age.

They played all the hits, but also included some highly pleasurable deep cuts like "Women in Love" so "true" Van Halen fans could feel special that the band shows they still care about them. The new tracks are actually really good though, too. "Chinatown" is killer, "The Trouble with Never" is very melodic and has a great classic VH sound but I personally wished they had have played "Big River" instead of "Tattoo." Much, much better song.

The crowd was largely what I expected. Life long 95.5 KLOS listeners; the motorcycle jacket 'n bandanna, tattooed goatee wearing Anglo Saxons that normally show up for a Van Halen or Motley Crue gig. There were several younger people there, too (including kids; theirs, I'm assuming). It's great to new a whole new generation of rock fans are going to learn about and appreciate great electric guitar players like Eddie. There were a few killjoys, though. Some arrests, even a couple of ambulances showed up outside. A grand ole time was had by all. ;-)

For the first concert I've had the pleasure of attending in far, far too long (probably four years at least), I sure am glad this was it. The crammed quarters where my wife and I sat notwithstanding, I had a crazy good time. It's just so good to listen to Eddie play live while he's still doing it.
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