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I watched this show again in the past few days and obviously you could cut the tension with a knife. What was going on with Dennis during Blue Collar Man? He was way off with his organ part towards the end of the song and Tommy and JY just standing there looking at him like what the hell? I assume this was due to lack of rehearsal?

That and Dennis more then likely looked and felt horrible..

I thoguht JY was gonna kill him for missing that riff.. even when he POINTED TO HIM and he still missed it!

Dennis also had some problem seeing with those shades on. During Fooling Yourself, right before the solo he had trouble seeing the knobs, switches on his keyboard.

As someone who was actually there...

They rehearsed.

Grotelul wrote:Dennis also had some problem seeing with those shades on. During Fooling Yourself, right before the solo he had trouble seeing the knobs, switches on his keyboard.

It's an organ. Once you choose the sound the only thing you have to see is the keys. I'd wager Dennis could play that song blind, asleep, and with both hands tied behind his back. If he missed the part then it's because he screwed up. I don't know of a musician on this planet who hasn't screwed up a time or two during a performce.

GEE, I'd love to comment, but I'm not as lucky as you video scavengers!
God, someone upload this stuff so I can play!

I'm trying to find the time to upload the CMN footage. I was hoping someone would beat me to it.

I just watched the CMN last week.

Here are some of the past threads where we were talking about it.


http://forums.melodicrock.com/phpBB/vie ... hlight=cmn

http://forums.melodicrock.com/phpBB/vie ... twork+1999

http://forums.melodicrock.com/phpBB/vie ... twork+1999

Suite you do exist....how ya been?

SuiteMadameBlue wrote:I'm trying to find the time to upload the CMN footage. I was hoping someone would beat me to it.

I just watched the CMN last week.

Here are some of the past threads where we were talking about it.


http://forums.melodicrock.com/phpBB/vie ... hlight=cmn

http://forums.melodicrock.com/phpBB/vie ... twork+1999

http://forums.melodicrock.com/phpBB/vie ... twork+1999

i have it too, on dvd, but i haven't had the chance to do any uploading. eventually...LOL!

styxfanNH wrote:Suite you do exist....how ya been?

I'm doing GREAT!! I have a ton of posts, emails and PM's to catch up on!! I'll be up all night!!

How are you doing?

http://www.youtube.com/profile_play_list?user=styxtoury

Watch for the CMN Playlist to appear. Rocking the Paradise is loading now.

Too Much Time and Lady are waiting. Fooling yourself is recording.

I really should be working on my college report.

OrlandoChris wrote:As someone who was actually there...

They rehearsed.

Glen talks about this in my book. They actually had a couple of days to get ready, and it was of course terribly, terribly tense. Glen shared a dressing room with Dennis so that nobody who was at war with each other would have to be together, and Dennis was not talking to Gary Loizzo (because Gary was going to do the upcoming tour without him), so George Packer was having to run messages back and forth between them. Gary was in the audio truck parked outside the building, and there's an intercom so you can talk to the band members on stage, but since he and Dennis were not speaking, Gary would have to say to George, "Tell Dennis to play his organ." Then George would run out of the truck and inside to tell Dennis, who then might respond with something like, "Tell Gary to turn me up in the monitor." This went on the whole time! Classic.


Sterling

You could hardly blame Dennis. The fact that he was there at all is amazing. It shows how much he cares about the Styx name. He could have easliy walked away.

hadn't seen this clip before (RTP). Cool! Thanks!

styxfanNH wrote:He could have easliy walked away.

Doubting that. Pretty sure there was a contract to be honored.

Side note: I think this performance of RTP is the first time that I have ever heard JY go off the page on his solo. Interesting.

Dennis could easily have canceled based on his illness. You mean no band has ever canceled a show for one reason or another?

CSA and the ending Interview loaded now. Thats all of the show

styxfanNH wrote:Dennis could easily have canceled based on his illness. You mean no band has ever canceled a show for one reason or another?

They all had their various reasons for wanting to go forward, even though they knew it was going to be tense. In the book I asked Todd why they didn't have Gowan do the show, and he said they didn't yet know how everything was going to end up, plus they had not rehearsed with him. From the perspective of the show promoting the release of BNW (which was the entire point of doing this show) , it was also better to have the classic guys there as much as possible to promote the perception that it was an album done by that lineup.

From Dennis' perspective, he had committed to doing the show and did not want to cancel because he believed in the charity . . . plus, he took the opportunity to confront Tommy and tried to beg him to stall the release of the album so they could go back in and fix the tracks that Dennis thought needed fixing. That turned out to be a bust. . . they ended up in a huge argument in the dressing room, and the whole experience was a nightmare for everyone. It's not the band's greatest performance, either. Todd's in-ear monitors went on the blink as they went to live air, so as you watch this, keep in mind that he is playing his parts without being able to hear anything from any other band member . . . no vocals, no other instruments. He is playing as if by himself in his practice room, unable to hear anything but drums. Pretty amazing that it's as good as it is when you consider the circumstances.


Sterling

Rockwriter wrote:Glen shared a dressing room with Dennis so that nobody who was at war with each other would have to be together, and Dennis was not talking to Gary Loizzo (because Gary was going to do the upcoming tour without him), so George Packer was having to run messages back and forth between them. Gary was in the audio truck parked outside the building, and there's an intercom so you can talk to the band members on stage, but since he and Dennis were not speaking, Gary would have to say to George, "Tell Dennis to play his organ." Then George would run out of the truck and inside to tell Dennis, who then might respond with something like, "Tell Gary to turn me up in the monitor."

styxfanNH wrote:You could hardly blame Dennis. The fact that he was there at all...

Dennis could easily have canceled based on his illness. You mean no band has ever canceled a show for one reason or another?

They all had their various reasons for wanting to go forward, even though they knew it was going to be tense. In the book I asked Todd why they didn't have Gowan do the show, and he said they didn't yet know how everything was going to end up, plus they had not rehearsed with him. From the perspective of the show promoting the release of BNW (which was the entire point of doing this show) , it was also better to have the classic guys there as much as possible to promote the perception that it was an album done by that lineup.

That makes the most sense (not that logic has much part in it at that stage), but I'm sorry - HOW childish must that have been? I can understand DDY being upset, hurt, disappointed with JY & Tommy (even Chuck to an extent), but touring is the only real way for crew members to make a living, period. Bruised egos and hurt feelings aside, you gotta understand that. Well, I guess you don't GOTTA, as we've already seen in various examples.

I bet that was a fun little stay in the dressing room for Glen. I'm surprised Dennis wasn't at odds with him as well.

From Dennis' perspective, he had committed to doing the show and did not want to cancel because he believed in the charity . . . plus, he took the opportunity to confront Tommy and tried to beg him to stall the release of the album so they could go back in and fix the tracks that Dennis thought needed fixing. That turned out to be a bust. . . they ended up in a huge argument in the dressing room, and the whole experience was a nightmare for everyone. It's not the band's greatest performance, either. Todd's in-ear monitors went on the blink as they went to live air, so as you watch this, keep in mind that he is playing his parts without being able to hear anything from any other band member . . . no vocals, no other instruments. He is playing as if by himself in his practice room, unable to hear anything but drums. Pretty amazing that it's as good as it is when you consider the circumstances.

Another example of good intentions blown to hell when there's an alterior motive involved. Almost never fails.

AGREE 100% about Todd. He rules. I'm sure that's a great surprise I would concur with this. lol

Is BCM missing-
Don't suppose there's any way of downloading YouTube stuff?

brywool wrote:Is BCM missing-
Don't suppose there's any way of downloading YouTube stuff?

There are many ways of doing it. This site is one of many of them.

http://www.youtubex.com/

Hey, Cool! Thanks. I like your avatar too.

brywool wrote:Hey, Cool! Thanks. I like your avatar too.

Thanks.

My father is fighting ALS/Lou Gehrigs Disease, so I am using it for him.

Another site to look at is keepvid.com.

Thanks

Sorry to hear that. I have a friend that appears to be suffering from it and just lost an inlaw to it as well.

styxfanNH wrote:Dennis could easily have canceled based on his illness. You mean no band has ever canceled a show for one reason or another?

IMO, the contested word there is "easily." As Sterling notes:

RockWriter wrote:They all had their various reasons for wanting to go forward, even though they knew it was going to be tense. In the book I asked Todd why they didn't have Gowan do the show, and he said they didn't yet know how everything was going to end up, plus they had not rehearsed with him. From the perspective of the show promoting the release of BNW (which was the entire point of doing this show) , it was also better to have the classic guys there as much as possible to promote the perception that it was an album done by that lineup.

From Dennis' perspective, he had committed to doing the show and did not want to cancel because he believed in the charity . . . plus, he took the opportunity to confront Tommy and tried to beg him to stall the release of the album so they could go back in and fix the tracks that Dennis thought needed fixing.

So what we've got is three people defending their turf &/or hedging their bets. Nothing so romantic or selfless as "caring about the Styx name" enters into it, from any of them.

Side note: "fix the tracks that Dennis thought needed fixing" is a fantastic euphamism.

Side note #2: They really hadn't rehearsed with Gowan yet at this point? Wow. Cutting it close.

stabbim wrote:So what we've got is three people defending their turf &/or hedging their bets. Nothing so romantic or selfless as "caring about the Styx name" enters into it, from any of them.

You noticed that too, huh?

Side note: "fix the tracks that Dennis thought needed fixing" is a fantastic euphamism.

The possibilities are endless...

Side note #2: They really hadn't rehearsed with Gowan yet at this point? Wow. Cutting it close.

It showed early on in the tour. lol

Zan wrote:

stabbim wrote:Side note #2: They really hadn't rehearsed with Gowan yet at this point? Wow. Cutting it close.

It showed early on in the tour. lol

Heh. I didn't see them until late August. They seemed pretty tight by then, although the chemistry was still a bit strange.

stabbim wrote:Side note: "fix the tracks that Dennis thought needed fixing" is a fantastic euphamism.

You mean wonderful tracks like "Brave New World (Reprise)" and its excellent mix? Boy, that album is perfect. Needs no fixing!

stabbim wrote:Side note #2: They really hadn't rehearsed with Gowan yet at this point? Wow. Cutting it close.

See also Jeff Scott Soto and Journey, although he did a better job early on than Gowan did if you're running a parallel. It took Gowan awhile to settle in.

stabbim wrote:

Zan wrote:

stabbim wrote:Side note #2: They really hadn't rehearsed with Gowan yet at this point? Wow. Cutting it close.

It showed early on in the tour. lol

Heh. I didn't see them until late August. They seemed pretty tight by then, although the chemistry was still a bit strange.

Um, I saw them end of OCTOBER, and I wasn't impressed at all. It wasn't until New Years Eve that I started to really feel the love. lol

StyxCollector wrote:

stabbim wrote:Side note: "fix the tracks that Dennis thought needed fixing" is a fantastic euphamism.

You mean wonderful tracks like "Brave New World (Reprise)" and its excellent mix? Boy, that album is perfect. Needs no fixing!

[humor, ar-ar!]Allen, you have the most bizarre taste.[/humor] LOL

BNW reprise is one of my favorite, if not (to me) the most "Styx sounding" songs ON the album.

Side bar: I am not sure that was actually Stabbim's point, anyway.