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5 most songs you avoid '91-Present

PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 6:38 am
by Everett
I think I beat the other guy to this one so here's mine:

5. Show Me The Way
4. On My Way
3. Paradise
2. High Crimes & Misdameanors (hip-hop cracy)
1. Captain America

PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 7:50 am
by Rockwriter
Boy, this is a much harder topic for me, LOL. This list is just partial and in no way is it a complete representation of all the songs I skip from 1991-present. These are just the ones that come most readily to mind for me.

Homewrecker
Carrie Ann
Number One
Best New Face
High Crimes and Misdemeanors

LOL, I can't stop! I'm going to list five more . . .

Captain America
Yes I Can
Bourgeois Pig
Summer In The City
Blue Collar Man at 2120 (and basically every song on BBT except "Talkin' About the Good Times")


Sterling

PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 8:13 am
by StyxCollector
Am I just limited to 5?

Let's see ... skipping the live portions of live albums with the exception of new songs just played live ;)
1. Homewrecker
2. All of BBT
3. It Takes Love
4. Bourgeois Pig
5. Genki Des Ka
6. Yes I Can
7. Just Be
8. Everything All The Time
9. Paradise
10. Nearly all of BNW except "Everything is Cool" and "Goodbye Roseland". "Brave New World (Reprise)" has the worst vocals from any Styx song ever.

That's all off the top of my head.

PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 10:22 am
by Zan
High Crimes
Fallen Angel
Great Expectations
Number One
Manic Depression cover

PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 10:41 am
by stabbim
1- Fields Of The Brave
2- Carrie Ann
3- Fallen Angel
4- High Crimes
5- Goodbye To Roseland

Dishonorable Mention- Tie: Homewrecker & While There's Still Time (BNW version)

A few songs from BNW & Cyclorama and most of BBT leave me feeling "meh," but they don't actively bug me like the above.

PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 11:33 am
by Grotelul
Like most others, there are so many to list:

1. Carrie Ann
2. Back To Chicago
3. Number One
4. Brave New World
5. High Crimes
6. Paradise
7. Just Fell In
...could go on and on

Only really listen to Everything Is Cool, One With Everything, Fields of the Brave, More Love For The Money, Killing The Thing That You Love...I like most of BBT...I can't believe some dislike most of this other than the reason being they are cover songs.

PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 11:40 am
by stabbim
Grotelul wrote:I like most of BBT...I can't believe some dislike most of this other than the reason being they are cover songs.


I don't dislike BBT as such. It just doesn't do a lot for me. I really dig S/B's Influence, though.

PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 12:15 pm
by Rockwriter
stabbim wrote:
Grotelul wrote:I like most of BBT...I can't believe some dislike most of this other than the reason being they are cover songs.


I don't dislike BBT as such. It just doesn't do a lot for me. I really dig S/B's Influence, though.



I actully like a lot of Influence as well. I dislike BBT for two reasons; first, I think few of those songs reflect a Styx slant per se. They may have influenced the guys, but that doesn't mean they are songs Styx fans might like to hear the band perform. For me many of them are poor choices for the style of the band. The other thing is, for the most part they are very boring, paint-by-numbers versions of the songs that just don't do anything for me. Tommy in particular - and Tommy was my favorite Styx guy growing up - Tommy sounds like he was asleep at the wheel when he did his parts on that record, at least to me.


Sterling

PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 12:17 pm
by stmonkeys
paradise
while there's still time
hip hop :::cringe::
captain america
carrie anne
great expectations
it takes love

PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 12:22 pm
by Rockwriter
Rockwriter wrote:Boy, this is a much harder topic for me, LOL. This list is just partial and in no way is it a complete representation of all the songs I skip from 1991-present. These are just the ones that come most readily to mind for me.

Homewrecker
Carrie Ann
Number One
Best New Face
High Crimes and Misdemeanors

LOL, I can't stop! I'm going to list five more . . .

Captain America
Yes I Can
Bourgeois Pig
Summer In The City
Blue Collar Man at 2120 (and basically every song on BBT except "Talkin' About the Good Times")


Sterling



Okay, I have to amend mine because I forgot to mention "Just Fell In", which I consider to be the single worst song ever to appear on a Styx record. I'll trade that one for "Yes I Can", I guess. Too many choices, LOL . . . since 1991 it's a completely different career. Spotty and inconsistent from EOTC on.


Sterling

PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 12:25 pm
by stmonkeys
i *like* just fell in! it's fun and not meant to be taken too seriously ;)

PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 12:34 pm
by Rockwriter
stmonkeys wrote:i *like* just fell in! it's fun and not meant to be taken too seriously ;)



I know it's tongue in cheek, that doesn't bother me. It's just such a shopworn chord progression, with the tired old shuffle pattern underneath, and the whole arrangement seems so unimaginative to me I guess. It's like they lifted the whole musical portion of the song out of the Acme Book of Rock and Roll. Plus Tommy's vocal performance just isn't there on that one, at least to me. "What we had is a thing of the PAST" . . . OUCH! On "past", what note was he TRYING to hit? It sounds like he's going for the flat there but misses it and lands on this sort of non-existent note instead. Tommy's a better singer than that.


Sterling

PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 12:35 pm
by rajah2165
stmonkeys wrote:i *like* just fell in! it's fun and not meant to be taken too seriously ;)


I also notice you have no Tommy songs on your list either so we'll take that with a grain of salt.

Re: 5 most songs you avoid '91-Present

PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 12:37 pm
by rajah2165
Thenightbull wrote:I think I beat the other guy to this one so here's mine:

5. Show Me The Way
4. On My Way
3. Paradise
2. High Crimes & Misdameanors (hip-hop cracy)
1. Captain America


How can you put Show Me The Way on This List? That's crazy!

Mine are...

Just Fell In
Yes I Can
Great Expectations
Homewrecker
Number One

oh wait...
Carrie Anne
Fields of the Brave
I Will Be Your Witness
Anything of BBT
Just Be

Can't just put 5 down.

Is it just me or do a heck of a lot more songs come to the mind from this list than from say 1975-1984?

PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 12:42 pm
by stmonkeys
rajah2165 wrote:
stmonkeys wrote:i *like* just fell in! it's fun and not meant to be taken too seriously ;)


I also notice you have no Tommy songs on your list either so we'll take that with a grain of salt.


well, if we were quoting solo stuff i'd have

Friendly advice
lonely school
true confessions
count on you
are you ready for me
love you too much
what do you want from life

satisfied???? i thought so...

Re: 5 most songs you avoid '91-Present

PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 1:45 pm
by Grotelul
rajah2165 wrote:
Thenightbull wrote:I think I beat the other guy to this one so here's mine:

5. Show Me The Way
4. On My Way
3. Paradise
2. High Crimes & Misdameanors (hip-hop cracy)
1. Captain America


How can you put Show Me The Way on This List? That's crazy!

Mine are...

Just Fell In
Yes I Can
Great Expectations
Homewrecker
Number One

oh wait...
Carrie Anne
Fields of the Brave
I Will Be Your Witness
Anything of BBT
Just Be

Can't just put 5 down.

Is it just me or do a heck of a lot more songs come to the mind from this list than from say 1975-1984?



Show Me The Way is an alright tune, just not everyone's style. I can honestly say, most of what this group of guys has created since 1990 has not been worth listening to in my opinion. Since 1990, I doubt you could come up with enough good songs to create a full album.


1. Everything Is Cool
2. Show Me The Way
3. Fields of The Brave
4. Little Suzie
5. More Love For The Money
6. One With Everything
7. Goodbye To Roseland

PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 2:14 pm
by GrandIllusionist725
I can't believe that i saw Just Fell In twice on here, come on!!

1. High Crimes
2. Just Fell In
3. Captain America
4. Manic Depression
5. Genki Des ka

I can't believe i saw Everything is Cool as a number one most avoided, i personally liked that song. :)

PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 2:16 pm
by stabbim
Rockwriter wrote:"What we had is a thing of the PAST" .


"Rehab."


(geekiness is next to....uh, somethingness)

Re: 5 most songs you avoid '91-Present

PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 2:24 pm
by stabbim
rajah2165 wrote:Yes I Can

Is it just me or do a heck of a lot more songs come to the mind from this list than from say 1975-1984?


D'oh. Forgot about "Yes I Can." I'll swap "While There's Still Time" out for that one. (Good overall song + Bad production > So-so music + Bad lyrics.)

I actually like a lot more from the post-84 era than most folks here do, though I'll admit it's spottier. Hey, that's how it goes -- most bands don't even have a handful of truly great records in them, let alone a dozen or more.

PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 10:44 pm
by Zan
stabbim wrote:1- Fields Of The Brave
2- Carrie Ann
3- Fallen Angel
4- High Crimes
5- Goodbye To Roseland

Dishonorable Mention- Tie: Homewrecker & While There's Still Time (BNW version)

A few songs from BNW & Cyclorama and most of BBT leave me feeling "meh," but they don't actively bug me like the above.




I forgot about WTST. Drat. But I guess there's nothing I can really switch for it, as I find the songs on my list hard to deal with. Perhaps I'd keep "Number One" ONLY for its bridge, which is pretty good. The rest of it sucks, especially the chorus. Ugh. can't deal, can't deal...

And "Manic Depression" has GREAT drum & bass lines. It's everything else I can't handle, especially...well, all of it. (Not a Hendrix fan, and I don't enjoy JY's vocals on it - or the way it never. seems. to. end.)

And...as much as I hate to admit this, I *like* "CarrieAnn," even though I admit it has a high creepiness factor that I can't shake. I do like the melody and I think Denny's vocals are spot-on fantastic.

"Goodbye to Roseland?"

Really?

PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 11:10 pm
by Rockwriter
stabbim wrote:
Rockwriter wrote:"What we had is a thing of the PAST" .


"Rehab."


(geekiness is next to....uh, somethingness)



LOL, Ooops. Still blows either way, whatever the lyric is, in my view.


Sterling

PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 11:11 pm
by stabbim
Zan wrote:
And...as much as I hate to admit this, I *like* "CarrieAnn," even though I admit it has a high creepiness factor that I can't shake. I do like the melody and I think Denny's vocals are spot-on fantastic.


Yeah, to be fair it's more of a "meh" to me than an active irritant. I once heard it played on solo piano and in that context, it does have a nice melody, but with the full band, lyrics, and vocals it's just sooooo sappy. Fortunately I avoided the creep factor as a first impression, not understanding about the name and all.

Zan wrote:
"Goodbye to Roseland?"
Really?


Yes, really. Don't care what an inspired or heartfelt watershed it's supposed to be for DDY (and in fact that sort of makes me dislike it even more, "great expectations" and whatnot) it's still dull and flaccid. It's not a power ballad, it's not a simple piano thing, it ends up in this weird nowhere-ville in between and doesn't reach me at all. And the meta-implications of the tune (substitute the band for the old neighborhood) just make me :roll:

On a similar note, I'm kinda surprised I haven't taken more flak over naming "Superstars" in 75-84 other thread, which I've noticed is a real sacred cow to some folks...

PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 11:15 pm
by Rockwriter
Zan wrote:
stabbim wrote:1- Fields Of The Brave
2- Carrie Ann
3- Fallen Angel
4- High Crimes
5- Goodbye To Roseland

Dishonorable Mention- Tie: Homewrecker & While There's Still Time (BNW version)

A few songs from BNW & Cyclorama and most of BBT leave me feeling "meh," but they don't actively bug me like the above.




I forgot about WTST. Drat. But I guess there's nothing I can really switch for it, as I find the songs on my list hard to deal with. Perhaps I'd keep "Number One" ONLY for its bridge, which is pretty good. The rest of it sucks, especially the chorus. Ugh. can't deal, can't deal...

And "Manic Depression" has GREAT drum & bass lines. It's everything else I can't handle, especially...well, all of it. (Not a Hendrix fan, and I don't enjoy JY's vocals on it - or the way it never. seems. to. end.)

And...as much as I hate to admit this, I *like* "CarrieAnn," even though I admit it has a high creepiness factor that I can't shake. I do like the melody and I think Denny's vocals are spot-on fantastic.

"Goodbye to Roseland?"

Really?



I actually think the chorus of "Carrie Ann" is good, and that the doubled guitar break is good. But the verses are so weird . . . not the lyrics, although that's weak too, for me, but just the way that the melody is barely supported by any concrete music. It's just such a wash of unsupported keyboards with no real form, very different from the measured feel of most of Dennis' songs.


Sterling

PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 11:26 pm
by Zan
stabbim wrote:
Zan wrote:
"Goodbye to Roseland?"
Really?


Yes, really. Don't care what an inspired or heartfelt watershed it's supposed to be for DDY (and in fact that sort of makes me dislike it even more, "great expectations" and whatnot) it's still dull and flaccid. It's not a power ballad, it's not a simple piano thing, it ends up in this weird nowhere-ville in between and doesn't reach me at all. And the meta-implications of the tune (substitute the band for the old neighborhood) just make me :roll:

On a similar note, I'm kinda surprised I haven't taken more flak over naming "Superstars" in 75-84 other thread, which I've noticed is a real sacred cow to some folks...




I'm sorta "meh" about "Superstars," the lyrics are a tad on the adolescent side (which is why I liked it at 12 but not at 30) and I hate the soliloque, so you won't get much flak from me on that one. It's just ok for me, dawg.

I understand now why you dislike GTR so much. I agree it is a little high on the :roll: scale, but even so, I like the melody, lazy bluesy/gospel feel regardless. I also like the vocal. Not my absolute favorite Styx song, but one of Denny's better tunes since 1991, IMO.

PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 11:28 pm
by Zan
Rockwriter wrote:I actually think the chorus of "Carrie Ann" is good, and that the doubled guitar break is good. But the verses are so weird . . . not the lyrics, although that's weak too, for me, but just the way that the melody is barely supported by any concrete music. It's just such a wash of unsupported keyboards with no real form, very different from the measured feel of most of Dennis' songs.




I hear ya on the unsupported verses. Like I said, it's not his finest work of art, but it has its moments. I've never been a big fan of Denny's lyrics, so I agree with you on that aspect as well.

PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2007 2:59 am
by rajah2165
Rockwriter wrote:
Zan wrote:
stabbim wrote:1- Fields Of The Brave
2- Carrie Ann
3- Fallen Angel
4- High Crimes
5- Goodbye To Roseland

Dishonorable Mention- Tie: Homewrecker & While There's Still Time (BNW version)

A few songs from BNW & Cyclorama and most of BBT leave me feeling "meh," but they don't actively bug me like the above.




I forgot about WTST. Drat. But I guess there's nothing I can really switch for it, as I find the songs on my list hard to deal with. Perhaps I'd keep "Number One" ONLY for its bridge, which is pretty good. The rest of it sucks, especially the chorus. Ugh. can't deal, can't deal...

And "Manic Depression" has GREAT drum & bass lines. It's everything else I can't handle, especially...well, all of it. (Not a Hendrix fan, and I don't enjoy JY's vocals on it - or the way it never. seems. to. end.)

And...as much as I hate to admit this, I *like* "CarrieAnn," even though I admit it has a high creepiness factor that I can't shake. I do like the melody and I think Denny's vocals are spot-on fantastic.

"Goodbye to Roseland?"

Really?



I actually think the chorus of "Carrie Ann" is good, and that the doubled guitar break is good. But the verses are so weird . . . not the lyrics, although that's weak too, for me, but just the way that the melody is barely supported by any concrete music. It's just such a wash of unsupported keyboards with no real form, very different from the measured feel of most of Dennis' songs.


Sterling


I don't like Dennis singing when he tries to sing too high (I also feel the same about Billy Joel). The chorus of Carrie Anne just sounds forced..especially the "Anne" part.

In fact on what would have been the second side of Edge, I only like 2 songs, "World Tonite" and "Back To Chicago" (I know a bit showy, but still an upbeat song with a good melody - I still whistle that song all the time).

The first side of Edge is fantastic...not a weak song in the bunch. Ranks up there with some of the "sides" of the glory years..

PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2007 11:31 am
by Abitaman
Rockwriter wrote:
Okay, I have to amend mine because I forgot to mention "Just Fell In", which I consider to be the single worst song ever to appear on a Styx record.


Sterling


Worse than Plexiglass Toliet?-Eric

PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2007 12:41 pm
by ek88
1. Great Expectations
2. High Crimes And Misdemeanors
3. Show Me The Way
4. Paradise
5. Big Bang Theory (most of it)

PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2007 8:04 am
by Real rock fan
I`ll probably regret saying this but unfortunately most songs I avoid, as they`re not in my eyes, classic Styx.

There are the odd exceptions but overall disappointing and I love Styx.