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Styx To Receive Lifetime Achievement Honor
Styx will be presented with a lifetime achievement award this fall by the International Entertainment Buyers Association. The arena-rock vets will receive the honor Oct. 16 in Nashville at a gala held in conjunction with the annual iebaLIVE! conference. Meanwhile, to watch a video for the group's recent song "Everything All the Time" that singer-guitarist Tommy Shaw created using footage he and his bandmates took during their spring U.K. tour.

http://www.styxworld.com/listingsentry. ... t=styxnews

styxfanNH wrote:Styx To Receive Lifetime Achievement Honor
Styx will be presented with a lifetime achievement award this fall by the International Entertainment Buyers Association. The arena-rock vets will receive the honor Oct. 16 in Nashville at a gala held in conjunction with the annual iebaLIVE! conference. Meanwhile, to watch a video for the group's recent song "Everything All the Time" that singer-guitarist Tommy Shaw created using footage he and his bandmates took during their spring U.K. tour.

http://www.styxworld.com/listingsentry. ... t=styxnews

Always cracks me up when those who REALLY should be there for a lifetime achievment award aren't, and those who are there, really have been there long enough to even be accepting it.

piecesofeight wrote:

styxfanNH wrote:Styx To Receive Lifetime Achievement Honor
Styx will be presented with a lifetime achievement award this fall by the International Entertainment Buyers Association. The arena-rock vets will receive the honor Oct. 16 in Nashville at a gala held in conjunction with the annual iebaLIVE! conference. Meanwhile, to watch a video for the group's recent song "Everything All the Time" that singer-guitarist Tommy Shaw created using footage he and his bandmates took during their spring U.K. tour.

http://www.styxworld.com/listingsentry. ... t=styxnews

Always cracks me up when those who REALLY should be there for a lifetime achievment award aren't, and those who are there, really have been there long enough to even be accepting it.

I have never heard of this award,but I guess you have.
So who is there that shouldn't be?
And who is not there, that that should be?

The way I see it,depending of the importance/value of this award,that it may actually bring them all together on stage .
Remember The Van Halens and theDL Roth?

Froy may be right after all.

Lawerence Gowan is working on his speech as we speak!!!

yogi wrote:Lawerence Gowan is working on his speech as we speak!!!

yea I have a copy of it
Here it is

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2shWZRG ... ed&search=

piecesofeight wrote:

styxfanNH wrote:Styx To Receive Lifetime Achievement Honor
Styx will be presented with a lifetime achievement award this fall by the International Entertainment Buyers Association. The arena-rock vets will receive the honor Oct. 16 in Nashville at a gala held in conjunction with the annual iebaLIVE! conference. Meanwhile, to watch a video for the group's recent song "Everything All the Time" that singer-guitarist Tommy Shaw created using footage he and his bandmates took during their spring U.K. tour.

http://www.styxworld.com/listingsentry. ... t=styxnews

Always cracks me up when those who REALLY should be there for a lifetime achievment award aren't, and those who are there, really have been there long enough to even be accepting it.

Dennis doesn't give a shit and you do?

Accepting on behalf of Dennis will by JY, who really wrote all of his songs anyway.

Grotelul wrote:

piecesofeight wrote:

styxfanNH wrote:Styx To Receive Lifetime Achievement Honor
Styx will be presented with a lifetime achievement award this fall by the International Entertainment Buyers Association. The arena-rock vets will receive the honor Oct. 16 in Nashville at a gala held in conjunction with the annual iebaLIVE! conference. Meanwhile, to watch a video for the group's recent song "Everything All the Time" that singer-guitarist Tommy Shaw created using footage he and his bandmates took during their spring U.K. tour.

http://www.styxworld.com/listingsentry. ... t=styxnews

Always cracks me up when those who REALLY should be there for a lifetime achievment award aren't, and those who are there, really have been there long enough to even be accepting it.

Dennis doesn't give a shit and you do?

Dennis doesn't give a shit
If he doesn't, that means I shouldn't
Guess I am a dumbshit, because I don't get whatever stupid point you are trying to make one bit.

HOw do we know Dennis doesn't give a shit? I bet it does bother him some.... It would me.

But Dennis knows what his role was in the history of Styx. They certainly aren't being recogniozed for the last 8 years alone....

piecesofeight wrote:

Grotelul wrote:

piecesofeight wrote:

styxfanNH wrote:Styx To Receive Lifetime Achievement Honor
Styx will be presented with a lifetime achievement award this fall by the International Entertainment Buyers Association. The arena-rock vets will receive the honor Oct. 16 in Nashville at a gala held in conjunction with the annual iebaLIVE! conference. Meanwhile, to watch a video for the group's recent song "Everything All the Time" that singer-guitarist Tommy Shaw created using footage he and his bandmates took during their spring U.K. tour.

http://www.styxworld.com/listingsentry. ... t=styxnews

Always cracks me up when those who REALLY should be there for a lifetime achievment award aren't, and those who are there, really have been there long enough to even be accepting it.

Dennis doesn't give a shit and you do?

Dennis doesn't give a shit
If he doesn't, that means I shouldn't
Guess I am a dumbshit, because I don't get whatever stupid point you are trying to make one bit.

Here we go again....Why are you being judgemental of a group of guys that have decided to keep the Styx name out there, make it a priority in their lives busting their asses and not let it be swept under the rug by someone who refused to make it a priority? If Dennis really cared about Styx, he would have made it a priority in his life and he gave that up some time ago. So...Dennis doesn't GIVE A SHIT!. You go have a talk with him about what is the most important thing in his life...it's NOT STYX. It hasn't been for him since around 1983. In '87 when they had a chance to get back together, no go. He had a solo CD...but he could have worked around this if he had wanted. In '90...more of the same...ME ME ME. In '91..more complaining about touring. In '97, spend all this money on a great live show, 40 shows only. After the '97 tour, he was saying he never wanted to do that (tour) again. In '98/99...would not leave his little anitiseptic home recording studio, pissing off everyone else...In '99...time to tour..he can't he is sick...BS. After hearing all this, what does common sense tell you? The guy doesn't want to make it a priority to do the job. Styx is a business and Dennis was making choices that said...I am not that interested in making that business the main thing in my life...fine...SEE YA!!!! So if you ask me who is deserving right now of that award? Dennis? Hell no. Talk to Mr De Young about your feelings on this and leave the guys who are willing to put in the time to do the job the hell alone.

styxfanNH wrote:HOw do we know Dennis doesn't give a shit? I bet it does bother him some.... It would me.

But Dennis knows what his role was in the history of Styx. They certainly aren't being recogniozed for the last 8 years alone....

I would say that the last 8 years amountto 0% of the recognition. The recognition comes from the years 1975-1983 and 1990-91. Period.

Grotelul wrote:

piecesofeight wrote:

Grotelul wrote:

piecesofeight wrote:

styxfanNH wrote:Styx To Receive Lifetime Achievement Honor
Styx will be presented with a lifetime achievement award this fall by the International Entertainment Buyers Association. The arena-rock vets will receive the honor Oct. 16 in Nashville at a gala held in conjunction with the annual iebaLIVE! conference. Meanwhile, to watch a video for the group's recent song "Everything All the Time" that singer-guitarist Tommy Shaw created using footage he and his bandmates took during their spring U.K. tour.

http://www.styxworld.com/listingsentry. ... t=styxnews

Always cracks me up when those who REALLY should be there for a lifetime achievment award aren't, and those who are there, really have been there long enough to even be accepting it.

Dennis doesn't give a shit and you do?

Dennis doesn't give a shit
If he doesn't, that means I shouldn't
Guess I am a dumbshit, because I don't get whatever stupid point you are trying to make one bit.

Here we go again....Why are you being judgemental of a group of guys that have decided to keep the Styx name out there, make it a priority in their lives busting their asses and not let it be swept under the rug by someone who refused to make it a priority? If Dennis really cared about Styx, he would have made it a priority in his life and he gave that up some time ago. So...Dennis doesn't GIVE A SHIT!. You go have a talk with him about what is the most important thing in his life...it's NOT STYX. It hasn't been for him since around 1983. In '87 when they had a chance to get back together, no go. He had a solo CD...but he could have worked around this if he had wanted. In '90...more of the same...ME ME ME. In '91..more complaining about touring. In '97, spend all this money on a great live show, 40 shows only. After the '97 tour, he was saying he never wanted to do that (tour) again. In '98/99...would not leave his little anitiseptic home recording studio, pissing off everyone else...In '99...time to tour..he can't he is sick...BS. After hearing all this, what does common sense tell you? The guy doesn't want to make it a priority to do the job. Styx is a business and Dennis was making choices that said...I am not that interested in making that business the main thing in my life...fine...SEE YA!!!! So if you ask me who is deserving right now of that award? Dennis? Hell no. Talk to Mr De Young about your feelings on this and leave the guys who are willing to put in the time to do the job the hell alone.

Well said.

Always cracks me up when those who REALLY should be there for a lifetime achievment award aren't, and those who are there, really haven't been there long enough to even be accepting it.

I suppose from the perspective of the organization presenting the award, the issue was how to go about presenting a "lifetime achievement" award to the band Styx in 2007. Really, only JY has been there for the duration. Seems to me it's more a matter of convenience than anything else.

Well ... considering Tommy is the one that basically ended Styx in 1983/4 by quitting, it's funny to see people say it's DDY's fault. At that point, pretty much no one in the band wanted anything to do with Styx. And TS was in full blown medication mode then.

By the time the idea of a Styx reunion reared its head in 87 or so, it became more of a comedy of lawyers (read Sterling's book), and when it was finally going to come together, TS had already basically said fuck it and had gone off to do DY before EOTC happened. Yes, part of the delay was Boomchild, but it's not like DDY was the only one who was a bump in the road for a reunion.

It's no secret DDY never loved to tour, so why all of a sudden was it an issue? They did 40 or so dates in 91. A bit more in 96 (which is what started the tension according to Sterling's book since that tour could have been extended). DDY really didn't want to do the 97 tour and I agree that the 97 tour should have never happened - it was stale in comparison. They should have waited until a new album was done. Yes, DDY was working on Hunchback, too, but that isn't the blame for 97.

Then we have the BNW fiasco all around. Whatever happened between those Borders gigs for 7DZ (esp the one where DDY showed up in Chicago) and the release of BNW other than DDY's illness - we'll never know. You don't go from honky dory to fuck you on the drop of dime. Whether or not you believe DDY was sick, there's more to it than even that I'm sure. It had to be really, really ugly.

Let's face it - DDY made a lot of money from Styx mainly due to songwriting and royalties compared to the other guys. He needed touring much less than a JY, CP, or JP. That said, the early 80s band agreement was pretty equitable all things considered. The only way those guys were going to survive was to go on the road - sales of albums like BNW and Cyclorama wouldn't sustain them. DDY would never do the tour schedules Styx has since 1999. So even if the blow up didn't happen in 1998/9 and he toured the summer for BNW, things would have come to a head at some point.

I'm in neither camp. I'm just calling it as I see it. But to say DDY isn't deserving of an award when he helped build the brand is ridiculous. Should John Bonham not have been inducted as part of Led Zeppelin because he was dead? No. He was part of the legacy, just as DDY is an extremely important part of Styx history. Even if current Styx isn't playing a ton of his songs, the ones they do play - especially Lady and CSA - are two of the most well known by Styx.

All bands that made it big had egos in the band (Most likely everyone in the band in one way or another). Styx is no different. That all came to a head in 1999 and we've had 8 years of discussion on it. Ain't life grand?

ek88 wrote:

Always cracks me up when those who REALLY should be there for a lifetime achievment award aren't, and those who are there, really haven't been there long enough to even be accepting it.

I suppose from the perspective of the organization presenting the award, the issue was how to go about presenting a "lifetime achievement" award to the band Styx in 2007. Really, only JY has been there for the duration. Seems to me it's more a matter of convenience than anything else.

Chuck, not JY. JY was added later to round out the lineup but he's #2 on the Styx seniority list.

StyxCollector wrote:Well ... considering Tommy is the one that basically ended Styx in 1983/4 by quitting, it's funny to see people say it's DDY's fault. At that point, pretty much no one in the band wanted anything to do with Styx. And TS was in full blown medication mode then.

By the time the idea of a Styx reunion reared its head in 87 or so, it became more of a comedy of lawyers (read Sterling's book), and when it was finally going to come together, TS had already basically said fuck it and had gone off to do DY before EOTC happened. Yes, part of the delay was Boomchild, but it's not like DDY was the only one who was a bump in the road for a reunion.

It's no secret DDY never loved to tour, so why all of a sudden was it an issue? They did 40 or so dates in 91. A bit more in 96 (which is what started the tension according to Sterling's book since that tour could have been extended). DDY really didn't want to do the 97 tour and I agree that the 97 tour should have never happened - it was stale in comparison. They should have waited until a new album was done. Yes, DDY was working on Hunchback, too, but that isn't the blame for 97.

Then we have the BNW fiasco all around. Whatever happened between those Borders gigs for 7DZ (esp the one where DDY showed up in Chicago) and the release of BNW other than DDY's illness - we'll never know. You don't go from honky dory to fuck you on the drop of dime. Whether or not you believe DDY was sick, there's more to it than even that I'm sure. It had to be really, really ugly.

Let's face it - DDY made a lot of money from Styx mainly due to songwriting and royalties compared to the other guys. He needed touring much less than a JY, CP, or JP. That said, the early 80s band agreement was pretty equitable all things considered. The only way those guys were going to survive was to go on the road - sales of albums like BNW and Cyclorama wouldn't sustain them. DDY would never do the tour schedules Styx has since 1999. So even if the blow up didn't happen in 1998/9 and he toured the summer for BNW, things would have come to a head at some point.

I'm in neither camp. I'm just calling it as I see it. But to say DDY isn't deserving of an award when he helped build the brand is ridiculous. Should John Bonham not have been inducted as part of Led Zeppelin because he was dead? No. He was part of the legacy, just as DDY is an extremely important part of Styx history. Even if current Styx isn't playing a ton of his songs, the ones they do play - especially Lady and CSA - are two of the most well known by Styx.

All bands that made it big had egos in the band (Most likely everyone in the band in one way or another). Styx is no different. That all came to a head in 1999 and we've had 8 years of discussion on it. Ain't life grand?

This argument will go on forever but I don't like it when people rag on current Styx for ridiculous reasons. The situation is what it is and became what it is for various reasons. Who was at fault? Was Tommy solely to blame in 83-84? Certainly he bolted 83-84 but being in a situation where you are extremely unhappy but yet still feel an obligation to the fans and the band to finish things created huge problems for him. He dealt with it in the wrong way but still...tough situation to be in when you have a ton of money and the freedom to be self-destructive. I think Dennis helped create an atmosphere that allowed for bad things to happen..not purposely but by his driving ego that had him drag the rest of those guys through Kilroy when not everyone else was onboard with it. I think they all, especially Dennis and Tommy, admit to making mistakes back then.

Lifetime achievment award? I figured who cares. If this was the Hall Of Fame then I would certainely expect and want Dennis to be there.

Grotelul wrote:This argument will go on forever but I don't like it when people rag on current Styx for ridiculous reasons.

SAme could be said for vilifying DDY, too. There's a big middle ground, and that's where the truth really is. Everyone in this scenario is guilty to some degree.

Grotelul wrote:The situation is what it is and became what it is for various reasons. Who was at fault? Was Tommy solely to blame in 83-84? Certainly he bolted 83-84 but being in a situation where you are extremely unhappy but yet still feel an obligation to the fans and the band to finish things created huge problems for him. He dealt with it in the wrong way but still...tough situation to be in when you have a ton of money and the freedom to be self-destructive. I think Dennis helped create an atmosphere that allowed for bad things to happen..not purposely but by his driving ego that had him drag the rest of those guys through Kilroy when not everyone else was onboard with it. I think they all, especially Dennis and Tommy, admit to making mistakes back then.

Well, if I remember correctly, TS quit at the Largo, MD, show during the show (see smashed guitar) and his manager told him to get his ass back and finish his commitment. I don't think it was any obligation to the fans. Granted, I'm sure it was chemical fueled along with the unhappiness of the situation. But the thing is - and if you talk about accepting responsibility which as you say everyone has admitted to making mistakes - if DDY had created a toxic atmosphere, why did CP, JP, JY, and TS put up with it? In the BTM Tommy admits straight up that DDY was a changed person after he came back, and if he was being a tyrant (and again, none of us were there so I'm not even saying or speculating), why did they do the tour for Cornerstone, PT album and tour, and the KWH album and tour if it was *so* bad? If you're that miserable, no amount of money should keep you there.

I'm just saying ... it seems like whatever DDY was like and however bad it was, they sucked it up and made a lot of money for about 5 years. Yes, it fueled TS into a bad place. Yes, it created a lot of tension in the band. But everyone let it happen. Management, band members, etc. No one gets a free pass here. When a situation is that toxic, the only way it can end up is bad. Chuck's "one finger in the air" quote from the BTM is classic, but I think sums it up. These guys went from almost nothing with a minor hit in 1975 to the top and spent the better part of their lives for 10 - 15 years (10ish if you include when TS joined) in and out of studios and live shows. Very few bands survive that fishbowl unless everyone has a lot of space.

Grotelul wrote: Lifetime achievment award? I figured who cares. If this was the Hall Of Fame then I would certainely expect and want Dennis to be there.

Bingo. And the HOF won't be nominating bands like Styx, so we need not worry.

StyxCollector wrote:

Grotelul wrote:This argument will go on forever but I don't like it when people rag on current Styx for ridiculous reasons.

SAme could be said for vilifying DDY, too. There's a big middle ground, and that's where the truth really is. Everyone in this scenario is guilty to some degree.

Grotelul wrote:The situation is what it is and became what it is for various reasons. Who was at fault? Was Tommy solely to blame in 83-84? Certainly he bolted 83-84 but being in a situation where you are extremely unhappy but yet still feel an obligation to the fans and the band to finish things created huge problems for him. He dealt with it in the wrong way but still...tough situation to be in when you have a ton of money and the freedom to be self-destructive. I think Dennis helped create an atmosphere that allowed for bad things to happen..not purposely but by his driving ego that had him drag the rest of those guys through Kilroy when not everyone else was onboard with it. I think they all, especially Dennis and Tommy, admit to making mistakes back then.

Well, if I remember correctly, TS quit at the Largo, MD, show during the show (see smashed guitar) and his manager told him to get his ass back and finish his commitment. I don't think it was any obligation to the fans. Granted, I'm sure it was chemical fueled along with the unhappiness of the situation. But the thing is - and if you talk about accepting responsibility which as you say everyone has admitted to making mistakes - if DDY had created a toxic atmosphere, why did CP, JP, JY, and TS put up with it? In the BTM Tommy admits straight up that DDY was a changed person after he came back, and if he was being a tyrant (and again, none of us were there so I'm not even saying or speculating), why did they do the tour for Cornerstone, PT album and tour, and the KWH album and tour if it was *so* bad? If you're that miserable, no amount of money should keep you there.

I'm just saying ... it seems like whatever DDY was like and however bad it was, they sucked it up and made a lot of money for about 5 years. Yes, it fueled TS into a bad place. Yes, it created a lot of tension in the band. But everyone let it happen. Management, band members, etc. No one gets a free pass here. When a situation is that toxic, the only way it can end up is bad. Chuck's "one finger in the air" quote from the BTM is classic, but I think sums it up. These guys went from almost nothing with a minor hit in 1975 to the top and spent the better part of their lives for 10 - 15 years (10ish if you include when TS joined) in and out of studios and live shows. Very few bands survive that fishbowl unless everyone has a lot of space.

Grotelul wrote: Lifetime achievment award? I figured who cares. If this was the Hall Of Fame then I would certainely expect and want Dennis to be there.

Bingo. And the HOF won't be nominating bands like Styx, so we need not worry.

I agree..there are those that rag on Dennis for stupid reasons also. I think money would be a very good reason for trying to stick things out but of course Tommy had his weaknesses and finally lost it. What would a sober Tommy have done? My guess is he probably would stayed the rest of the tour and then quit anyway. What I don't really get is if they had the balls to fire Dennis in '79 over releasing First Time as a single, where did those balls go the next 4-5 years? I know JY played along as the peacemaker and CP and JP just went along with it because they were making a lot of money but was Tommy so intimidated by Dennis that he couldn't talk to him about his real displeasure with the musical direction? Why does he have to go to their manager Derek Sutton while in Japan during the PT tour to beg them not to do another concept album? Does anyone know if he ever truly voiced this to Dennis?