I was talking about its ability to produce singles. It was dead. People moved on. I don't care where a album is charted. There were ways of faking that.
Oh, ok, so now your theory involves faking charts. Oh-Kay...
No, I just don't trust charts and give them the endless credit that you do. I know for a fact that a label could manipulate them and did on occasion.
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In other words, by the end of July, kerplunk. And, as I said, there are ways of faking a chart position. Back then, albums were counted by what left the warehouse - not by what sold (theory being; if it is not in the warehouse,it will eventually be sold). So, to keep position, all they had to do was ship more product. Don't know if that happened or not, but that is why I do not trust chart positions from back then.
Hmmm....Not to throw facts in here, because that is beyond your grasp, but Don't Let It End peaked on July 2, 1983. (KWH was #9 album), HWBHB was slated to be released two weeks later on July 16th. How exactly is the Kilroy album dead at that point? Please help me understand that.
The band was falling apart, general fan opinion and reception of the Kilroy album and tour had split the fan base by then. And, none of the songs left on the album were quality singles.
If your theory was correct and all it would take is to follow up with a new single and video, then "Cold War" would have been more accepted. It wasn't. Neither was "High Time". You can argue the quality of HWBHB but, IMO, it is a good song, but not a good single. The album had played itself out.
Again, to use my comparison to TBF....Journey had a decent single, followed it up with other decent singles. But, it was too late...by then it was out of the bag that there problems within the band. Perry had disappeared and the band was doing no promotion at all. No tour was being schedule...the fickle fans moved on to other things, just as they did with KWH.
As far as it being "dead" - I think not.
Of course, and you think that your opinion is a fact. It isn't.
The Mission would have love to come within a state of those chart positions. But let's not let facts interfere with your bullshit.
I'm not the one who is mistaking facts and opinions. But, I do know that an album can't have feelings so I don't know how you know what The Mission loves and what it doesn't.
So, now since I've proven that your comparison is completely bogus, you now decide to switch to Departure? Make up your mind, what is it?
You haven't proven anything. I stand by my comparing KWF with TBF because they both are examples of what happens to albums when the band falls apart. I am suggesting that YOU compare Cornerstone with a more "mediocre" Journey release, like Departure. I am not the one making this odd compariosn - you are. You are trying to make an argument that Journey (and the other bands) get away with releasin ballads by pointint to the diamond standard in their catalog. Perhaps they "get away with it" because they are outstanding songs and Styx didn't because they are very mediocre songs that are easily critiqued.
And Cornerstone is mediocre in YOUR opinion
That is true and I am not denying or arguing that.
and yours only.
That is not true. If you look at where fans rank Styx album, Cornerstone would not be at the top of the list. On average, I think GI would be. It would not be at the bottom either...the Wodden Nickel releases would average out on the bottom Cornerstone is somewhere in the middle, mediocre.
At the time it was the highest charting STYX album when it was released, its biggest worldwide seller, and the only album still to earn a grammy nomination.
Funny how a mediocre album can do all of that, isn't it? Funny how Styx' top albums, didn't. Maybe that is evidence that the charts and grammies and such mean a LOT less then you think they do.
So, what should I believe the RIAA, the Grammy people, the charts or some loser Styx fan who has an agenda? I know that's a tough one, but somehow I think I'm going with the former...
Of course you are....because it agrees with your opinion...and you have this driving desire to make that opinion a fact. But, I would find it pretty uncommon to find any poll with significant votes where Cornerstone is at the top of the list of best Styx albums.