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masque wrote:
Oh I understand some folks are doing a PR spin.......my post was saying as for me, I am personally not spinning anything.
as for the band doing things we didn't think they would because of past feelings.....that's exactly it.......the link the JY interview sums it up perfectly. as he continues to get older he is mellowing and I am sure TS is as well.....and they look at the songs differently and appreciate them differently than what they may have done 35 years ago or even 5 years ago.
people's perspectives change.
Boomchild wrote:masque wrote:
Oh I understand some folks are doing a PR spin.......my post was saying as for me, I am personally not spinning anything.
as for the band doing things we didn't think they would because of past feelings.....that's exactly it.......the link the JY interview sums it up perfectly. as he continues to get older he is mellowing and I am sure TS is as well.....and they look at the songs differently and appreciate them differently than what they may have done 35 years ago or even 5 years ago.
people's perspectives change.
Except this isn't just about "perspectives". It's also about principles. Roboto and KWH was the basis of what TS and JY said they railed against with DDY. They made it clear it wasn't the kind of thing they wanted to do nor did they think it represents what Styx was about. Remember their position has been what they did from '77 to '78 was what really what Styx was about. They didn't like nor want the "theatrical" elements DDY was "pushing" on them. Sorry but this is just plain and simple hypocrisy. Or maybe it suggests that their motives on wanting to push DDY out of the band was something else.
Cassie May wrote:Or maybe it simply suggests they are giving fans what they've been asking for for years now. Good grief, you all analyze everything to death, looking for hidden messages and motives behind everything these guys do. Who cares?? They played it, the fans who saw them play it enjoyed it, end of story. Move on. Enjoy your day.
Cassie May wrote:You know what's hypocritical? For years, y'all have been bitching about stale setlists, saying that Styx needs to change things up, and that they should do songs they've long avoided. Well, now they finally have, and rather than acknowledging that they have done it, all you can do is complain about it and call them hypocrites. You all are determined to hate on everything these guys do, aren't you? Life is far too short for this, and I have better things to do. Peace out.
Archetype wrote:Dennis has commented on the new development.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_ ... 4839630509
Fact Finder wrote:Last night, decent sound and vid here. I wouldn’t say the crowd went wild at the end though, like an encore should.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aO_n2kKncXE
ChicagoSTYX wrote:
And again he said he wants a reunion.
masque wrote:yeh DDY says he wants a reunion after also laying into the guys.......essentially talking out of both sides of his mouth......which could be argues that is exactly what TS and JY have done at times.
to me, DDY sounds awful butthurt.
Boomchild wrote:masque wrote:yeh DDY says he wants a reunion after also laying into the guys.......essentially talking out of both sides of his mouth......which could be argues that is exactly what TS and JY have done at times.
to me, DDY sounds awful butthurt.
How do you expect someone to feel when they were shut out of something they spent the majority of their adult life building?
masque wrote:
my point is that DDY has ALWAYS criticized the guys for not doing "all the hits" and what a shortchange that is for people coming to pay to see the shows. He has said those things insinuating that they should be playing those songs.......in fact, he claims the main reason you should see his show is because he gives you all the hits.
masque wrote:I just dont see what the big deal is that after 35 years JY and the guys have mellowed some and look at some older songs differently now and they want to play them. good for everyone, but DDY I guess.
masque wrote:and dont give me this shit that he does that they are "chasing the money"......please.....nobody even knew they were going to do roboto.....its' not like they advertise like he does.....they didn't put the new tour info out there and say <'come see styx this summer we're finally doing more DDY songs that we know you all want to hear" to help sell tickets.......lol...in reality it won't help sell shit either way. so for DDY to claim they are chasing the money is just a lash out stupid comment much in line with the stupid shit TS and JY have said over the years.
Archetype wrote:It’s kind of funny to see Dennis say they’re following the money when he rarely ever plays deep Styx cuts or solo material aside from Desert Moon. If that’s not following the money, I don’t know what is.
masque wrote:yeh DDY says he wants a reunion after also laying into the guys.......essentially talking out of both sides of his mouth......which could be argues that is exactly what TS and JY have done at times.
to me, DDY sounds awful butthurt.
Archetype wrote:It’s kind of funny to see Dennis say they’re following the money when he rarely ever plays deep Styx cuts or solo material aside from Desert Moon. If that’s not following the money, I don’t know what is.
masque wrote:Boomchild wrote:masque wrote:yeh DDY says he wants a reunion after also laying into the guys.......essentially talking out of both sides of his mouth......which could be argues that is exactly what TS and JY have done at times.
to me, DDY sounds awful butthurt.
How do you expect someone to feel when they were shut out of something they spent the majority of their adult life building?
I expect him to feel exactly how he does. It's like seeing your x-wife with a new boyfriend, who happened to be your old best friend. it would sting like hell.
my point is that DDY has ALWAYS criticized the guys for not doing "all the hits" and what a shortchange that is for people coming to pay to see the shows. He has said those things insinuating that they should be playing those songs.......in fact, he claims the main reason you should see his show is because he gives you all the hits.
so when they turn around and add one of those hits that he has criticized them for ignoring then he acts like a baby about it, which is justified while also being hypocritical.......my point is that in that one Facebook post he delivered I can easily see that he is talking out of both sides of his mouth and is being just like the rest of them are on most of these subjects.
I just dont see what the big deal is that after 35 years JY and the guys have mellowed some and look at some older songs differently now and they want to play them. good for everyone, but DDY I guess.
and dont give me this shit that he does that they are "chasing the money"......please.....nobody even knew they were going to do roboto.....its' not like they advertise like he does.....they didn't put the new tour info out there and say <'come see styx this summer we're finally doing more DDY songs that we know you all want to hear" to help sell tickets.......lol...in reality it won't help sell shit either way. so for DDY to claim they are chasing the money is just a lash out stupid comment much in line with the stupid shit TS and JY have said over the years.
they are ALL very flawed people, like most of us. it's just an observation.
Toph wrote:Archetype wrote:It’s kind of funny to see Dennis say they’re following the money when he rarely ever plays deep Styx cuts or solo material aside from Desert Moon. If that’s not following the money, I don’t know what is.
Nah, following the money is kicking out the leader of the band that made you rich and then using his songs to line your pockets. You're not real bright, are you?
Boomchild wrote:Archetype wrote:It’s kind of funny to see Dennis say they’re following the money when he rarely ever plays deep Styx cuts or solo material aside from Desert Moon. If that’s not following the money, I don’t know what is.
When doing concerts at this point in their careers they need to focus on what the general or casual fans want to hear. They don't want hear deep cuts they are not familiar with. As far as DDY's solo material, the only song that most people will recognize is DM. Pretty much all the other solo stuff would be considered obscure to the general public. But I don't think that is the main reason DDY doesn't play solo material. He made the decision to create a show that mimics what Styx used to do live. Which in my opinion was the right idea.
Archetype wrote:
Playing what general/casual fans want to hear is following the money. Both Dennis and Tommy/JY are doing it. There’s nothing wrong with following the money. We all do it. I’m just entertained by the fact that Dennis accused Tommy/JY of it like it’s a bad thing while he’s doing the exact same thing.
Toph wrote:
Again, Tommy Shaw could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and Masque would still blow him. (Or do blow with him).
Boomchild wrote:Archetype wrote:
Playing what general/casual fans want to hear is following the money. Both Dennis and Tommy/JY are doing it. There’s nothing wrong with following the money. We all do it. I’m just entertained by the fact that Dennis accused Tommy/JY of it like it’s a bad thing while he’s doing the exact same thing.
I think perhaps people are reading too much into what DDY said. Perhaps he is just taking a jab at them because they have always TRASHED the project and the song they have started to now play.
Archetype wrote:
I don’t think it ever would have been a problem if it didn’t turn into a whole big act where everyone had to dress up, say spoken lines, etc. The other guys hated Babe as well, but since it was just one song in the set, they spent four minutes playing it each night and moved on.
If the Kilroy Was Here tour was handled like any of their previous tours in which they just went out and played the music, it likely wouldn’t have been that big of a deal. It was all the acting and whatnot that pushed the rest of the band over the edge. Tommy and JY did trash the project as a whole. They thought it was idiotic to be playing in theaters and acting out parts when they could be playing music in arenas and stadiums.
They didn’t resurrect the whole project, acting and customes and all. They are playing one 5 minute song.
Boomchild wrote:Archetype wrote:
I don’t think it ever would have been a problem if it didn’t turn into a whole big act where everyone had to dress up, say spoken lines, etc. The other guys hated Babe as well, but since it was just one song in the set, they spent four minutes playing it each night and moved on.
If the Kilroy Was Here tour was handled like any of their previous tours in which they just went out and played the music, it likely wouldn’t have been that big of a deal. It was all the acting and whatnot that pushed the rest of the band over the edge. Tommy and JY did trash the project as a whole. They thought it was idiotic to be playing in theaters and acting out parts when they could be playing music in arenas and stadiums.
They didn’t resurrect the whole project, acting and customes and all. They are playing one 5 minute song.
Sure the stage theatrics had something to do with it. But they CLEARLY stated that they were against the project as WHOLE. That the musical direction (semi techno) it was taking the band wasn't something they wanted to do. That they struggled to even come up with material to fit the project. As pointed out in my comment above and the related link, TS to this day "Doesn't understand it". For Christ's sake are people forgetting it was the last straw for TS. He quit because the band wasn't doing what he wanted to do. The song they have chosen to play is the most techno sounding of the bunch. Sorry but this just seems like more spin to try and water down their hypocrisy.
StyxGuy wrote:gr8dane wrote:Where in TO are you StyxGuy. ??
I live down in Kitchener-Waterloo, but end up in Toronto for concerts as we don't get much here.
We've had Styx in Kitchener twice in 18 years. In 2000, where maybe 500 people showed up from what I recall, then in 2014 where they played an outdoor festival but it was only a 10 song set.
We did have one of the Gowan solo shows last year (sold out show, just over 700)
I've seen Dennis once, the next time he was supposed to play he cancelled due to having Shingles. Never got to see him over the years when he's come to the GTA unfortunately. I see he's playing the CNE bandshell in August and in Brampton in October!
Boomchild wrote:Archetype wrote:
I don’t think it ever would have been a problem if it didn’t turn into a whole big act where everyone had to dress up, say spoken lines, etc. The other guys hated Babe as well, but since it was just one song in the set, they spent four minutes playing it each night and moved on.
If the Kilroy Was Here tour was handled like any of their previous tours in which they just went out and played the music, it likely wouldn’t have been that big of a deal. It was all the acting and whatnot that pushed the rest of the band over the edge. Tommy and JY did trash the project as a whole. They thought it was idiotic to be playing in theaters and acting out parts when they could be playing music in arenas and stadiums.
They didn’t resurrect the whole project, acting and customes and all. They are playing one 5 minute song.
Sure the stage theatrics had something to do with it. But they CLEARLY stated that they were against the project as WHOLE. That the musical direction (semi techno) it was taking the band wasn't something they wanted to do. That they struggled to even come up with material to fit the project. As pointed out in my comment above and the related link, TS to this day "Doesn't understand it". For Christ's sake are people forgetting it was the last straw for TS. He quit because the band wasn't doing what he wanted to do. The song they have chosen to play is the most techno sounding of the bunch. Sorry but this just seems like more spin to try and water down their hypocrisy.
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