Valory and Smith Sued by Schon and Cain Mar. 2020

[onmyjrny]

Is every single thing in the world now “ not true “ a conspiracy “ more than one guy” . What kind of morons would stage something this serious? This is REAL. I’ve seen a guy on FB blame 100,000 sick people and 3000 deaths ( from a virus from China) on a US political party . The whole world is losing it.

Trying to blame SS and RV on staging a freaking coup is about as moronic as it comes. It shows some level of paranoia and loss of sense. And pinning it on the two players who seem to be the only rational members here is ludicrous.

It is extremely sad to me; I have admired these men for their talent, drive, and dedication to the music since I was pretty young. To see what they have turned (or tried to turn) the name Journey into...never in a million years would I have thought something like this was possible. Journey is just a big fat cash cow to someone here and they are planning to milk it dry.

[ebake02]

I’ve been wondering a lot lately too if what Schon and Cain see as a coup is really just everyone else saying enough is enough with the Neal vs Jon drama and Neal’s “everyone is out to get me “ paranoia. The thought of the two of them controlling the Journey machine had to have been concerning for all of the other interested parties considering how they’ve been acting over the last couple years.

[Eric]

Is every single thing in the world now “ not true “ a conspiracy “ more than one guy” . What kind of morons would stage something this serious? This is REAL. I’ve seen a guy on FB blame 100,000 sick people and 3000 deaths ( from a virus from China) on a US political party . The whole world is losing it.

Trying to blame SS and RV on staging a freaking coup is about as moronic as it comes. It shows some level of paranoia and loss of sense. And pinning it on the two players who seem to be the only rational members here is ludicrous.

It is extremely sad to me; I have admired these men for their talent, drive, and dedication to the music since I was pretty young. To see what they have turned (or tried to turn) the name Journey into...never in a million years would I have thought something like this was possible. Journey is just a big fat cash cow to someone here and they are planning to milk it dry.

I see it more as collectively they have been doing nothing more than milking the cash cow dry the last several years. And Schon has been wanting to shake that up.

[Onestepper]

"Hey guys, I have a great idea for selling tickets on our next tour. Let's say that you two, Ross and Steve, tried to steal the Journey name away from me, Cain and Perry, put out a fake law suit, and announce that you two got fired". "That way, people will pay even more to see half a band play one last time".

"Neal, that a is a great idea". It will increase our revenue while destroying both of our reputations. Why didn't we think of that earlier"?

Some of you conspiracy heads need some serious counseling.

This new scam that Journey are pulling for publicity will NOT destroy their reputations as musicians. And Schon and Cain already destroyed their reputations as people a while back.

Some people need to wake up to how the world really works!!!

Yeah, you just keep going with that thought process. Let us know how that works out for you.

Fricken unbelievable.

[perryfan61]

Maybe there's been something brewing for awhile now. Current events kinda give this tweet whole new meaning.
https://twitter.com/nealschonmusic/stat ... 7336404992


later~

I think this could be about his beef with Live Nation. A few comments down he says he's "not going to let corporate push him or his wife around." There was some incident with her trying to take pictures, and some security guy shoved her or something.

But it does show Neal's attitude towards anyone who dares say that this is not "his band".

[perryfan61]

This is all very interesting to me, stopped by MR.com after hearing this news on FB just to see what the prevailing internet opinion is. That's when I saw the recent management change to a guy who's big claim to fame is building investment funds based on acquiring royalty rights to very valuable evergreen catalogs. Huh. Interesting timing.

No one can know what has really happened here unless the other parties involved come out publicly with their side of the story and then show the evidence and testimony they have.

My thoughts for what they're worth is that my thoughts about Ross Valory and Tim Jorstadt in particular is that they are absolutely not the kind of people who would underhandedly plan a "coup" to take control of Journey. Quite the opposite. Steve Smith hasn't needed Journey for his career in over 30 years, so that also seems suspect. And anything that would bring Steve Perry and Herbie Herbert together on the same page is definitely a remarkable occurrence, and so I have to guess that maybe, some people who have exhibited paranoid and "they're out to get me" behavior in the past may have interpreted certain actions in that frame of reference and taken extreme action, perhaps influenced by other concurrent business things brewing in the background.

One thing for sure is, I don't think there's anyway in hell that this is a publicity stunt or a hoax. I think it's very sad, very real, and not surprising in the least. But I wish the best for everyone involved. Unfortunately the music business is a nasty, messy industry and some rise above it, and some learn to work it, and many (most) end up getting chewed up and spit out.

I think you have hit the nail on the head, Jeremy. I can't see Ross and Smitty trying to pull something off like Neal says they did. He has no problem hiring lawyers if he thinks someone has even looked at him the wrong way.
It is sad that grown men, who have worked together for all these years, have to come to this state of affairs. I feel the innocent parties will never say what really happened, while Neal will do his usual posturing and spouting about how this is "his" band.
Thanks so much for your insight on this. Bet you're glad you dodged this bullet!

[Journey/Survivor]

"Hey guys, I have a great idea for selling tickets on our next tour. Let's say that you two, Ross and Steve, tried to steal the Journey name away from me, Cain and Perry, put out a fake law suit, and announce that you two got fired". "That way, people will pay even more to see half a band play one last time".

"Neal, that a is a great idea". It will increase our revenue while destroying both of our reputations. Why didn't we think of that earlier"?

Some of you conspiracy heads need some serious counseling.

This new scam that Journey are pulling for publicity will NOT destroy their reputations as musicians. And Schon and Cain already destroyed their reputations as people a while back.

Some people need to wake up to how the world really works!!!

Yeah, you just keep going with that thought process. Let us know how that works out for you.

Fricken unbelievable.

Seriously. It must be nice living in your utopian fairly land world where no-one ever pulls scams or hoaxes to make money! You're about as naive as they come, Wake the hell up!!!

[Onestepper]

Seriously. It must be nice living in your utopian fairly land world where no-one ever pulls scams or hoaxes to make money! You're about as naive as they come, Wake the hell up!!!

Well then by all means, don't let me stop you. Reply to this post with the proof you have that this is some type of hoax or publicity scam. Not just your "gut", but actual proof. I'm sure everyone would love to see your evidence.

You want to call me naive, fine. But then you better be able to back it up.

[Monker]

And, the sentence prior to this states, "The Shareholder and Board Notices were purportedly issued and signed via an electronic signature by Cain" So, you have one side claiming it was signed and the other claiming it wasn't. So, yes, it IS "ambiguous".

Neither side disputes the fact that the notice has a signature. The notice itself is included with the complaint and Cain's e-signature is quite visible. The question is, who put it there? As I already said, let the discovery process play it out.

They offer zero evidence of this, except Jonathan's word. This is a legally binding signature and my guess is they would have to sue the company providing the e-signature service, not Nightmare.

IMO, Jonathan signed it and regrets it and wanted to back out. That is the simplest and best explanation for this. And, remember, Neal and Jonathan are the accusers here - THEY are the ones who need to provide proof of their accusations.

Regardless of what anybody's opinion is, it is up to Neal and Jonathan to PROVE that Jonathan did no sign this.

In fact, they are offering no evidence of any of these accusations. Where is the evidence that the take over of Nightmare's board was meant to take over Journey? Where is the evidence that Ross and Steve Smith plotted with others to do this? Where is the evidence that there was ANY crime involved in this at all? Neal and Jonathan are accusing all of these things, but all they are offering as evidence is words. If this is what they are relying on, I would not be surprised if this thing is thrown out of court...and Steve Smith and Ross may have a case to sue for their pay for the next tour, depending on contracts.

I want to hear from the other side. What I am seeing from Neal and Jonathan looks like complete bullshit.

[Monker]

This is all very interesting to me, stopped by MR.com after hearing this news on FB just to see what the prevailing internet opinion is. That's when I saw the recent management change to a guy who's big claim to fame is building investment funds based on acquiring royalty rights to very valuable evergreen catalogs. Huh. Interesting timing.

No one can know what has really happened here unless the other parties involved come out publicly with their side of the story and then show the evidence and testimony they have.

My thoughts for what they're worth is that my thoughts about Ross Valory and Tim Jorstadt in particular is that they are absolutely not the kind of people who would underhandedly plan a "coup" to take control of Journey. Quite the opposite. Steve Smith hasn't needed Journey for his career in over 30 years, so that also seems suspect. And anything that would bring Steve Perry and Herbie Herbert together on the same page is definitely a remarkable occurrence, and so I have to guess that maybe, some people who have exhibited paranoid and "they're out to get me" behavior in the past may have interpreted certain actions in that frame of reference and taken extreme action, perhaps influenced by other concurrent business things brewing in the background.

One thing for sure is, I don't think there's anyway in hell that this is a publicity stunt or a hoax. I think it's very sad, very real, and not surprising in the least. But I wish the best for everyone involved. Unfortunately the music business is a nasty, messy industry and some rise above it, and some learn to work it, and many (most) end up getting chewed up and spit out.

Why would all involved want to reorg the board at Nightmare? What does Nightmare do besides work for Journey? I know back in the glory years they did concerts for other bands. Do they still do that? I know this was Herbie's baby, does he want to expand and do other things, and maybe Neal and Jonathan were holding the company back to concentrate solely on Journey?

I am just throwing some things out there...there has to be some reason they wanted to control Nightmare. If it is not to control Journey, what could it be?

[The_Noble_Cause]

They offer zero evidence of this, except Jonathan's word. This is a legally binding signature and my guess is they would have to sue the company providing the e-signature service, not Nightmare.

IMO, Jonathan signed it and regrets it and wanted to back out. That is the simplest and best explanation for this. And, remember, Neal and Jonathan are the accusers here - THEY are the ones who need to provide proof of their accusations.

Regardless of what anybody's opinion is, it is up to Neal and Jonathan to PROVE that Jonathan did no sign this.

In fact, they are offering no evidence of any of these accusations. Where is the evidence that the take over of Nightmare's board was meant to take over Journey? Where is the evidence that Ross and Steve Smith plotted with others to do this? Where is the evidence that there was ANY crime involved in this at all? Neal and Jonathan are accusing all of these things, but all they are offering as evidence is words. If this is what they are relying on, I would not be surprised if this thing is thrown out of court...and Steve Smith and Ross may have a case to sue for their pay for the next tour, depending on contracts.

I want to hear from the other side. What I am seeing from Neal and Jonathan looks like complete bullshit.

Why would evidence be in the complaint? As I've said multiple times, let the discovery phase play out. The idea that Jon signed it and is suing for ten million dollars anyway is laughable. There is a reference to "information and belief" in the complaint. That's the legal term for second hand info. The details will come out in the wash. Presumably the idea of the takeover stems from this secondhand info. For all we know Smitty's drum tech acted as an informant. Maybe it was Herbie. I don't know anything. You don't know anything.

[RPM]

They offer zero evidence of this, except Jonathan's word. This is a legally binding signature and my guess is they would have to sue the company providing the e-signature service, not Nightmare.

IMO, Jonathan signed it and regrets it and wanted to back out. That is the simplest and best explanation for this. And, remember, Neal and Jonathan are the accusers here - THEY are the ones who need to provide proof of their accusations.

Regardless of what anybody's opinion is, it is up to Neal and Jonathan to PROVE that Jonathan did no sign this.

In fact, they are offering no evidence of any of these accusations. Where is the evidence that the take over of Nightmare's board was meant to take over Journey? Where is the evidence that Ross and Steve Smith plotted with others to do this? Where is the evidence that there was ANY crime involved in this at all? Neal and Jonathan are accusing all of these things, but all they are offering as evidence is words. If this is what they are relying on, I would not be surprised if this thing is thrown out of court...and Steve Smith and Ross may have a case to sue for their pay for the next tour, depending on contracts.

I want to hear from the other side. What I am seeing from Neal and Jonathan looks like complete bullshit.

Why would evidence be in the complaint? As I've said multiple times, let the discovery phase play out. The idea that Jon signed it and is suing for ten million dollars anyway is laughable. There is a reference to "information and belief" in the complaint. That's the legal term for second hand info. The details will come out in the wash. Presumably the idea of the takeover stems from this secondhand info. For all we know Smitty's drum tech acted as an informant. Maybe it was Herbie. I don't know anything. You don't know anything.

Great post, spot on.

[Journey/Survivor]

Seriously. It must be nice living in your utopian fairly land world where no-one ever pulls scams or hoaxes to make money! You're about as naive as they come, Wake the hell up!!!

Well then by all means, don't let me stop you. Reply to this post with the proof you have that this is some type of hoax or publicity scam. Not just your "gut", but actual proof. I'm sure everyone would love to see your evidence.

You want to call me naive, fine. But then you better be able to back it up.

Do I have proof that this is a publicity stunt? No, of course not. I'm not in the band, I don't work for the band, I'm not a relative or friend of anyone in the band. So of course I can't prove that it's a publicity stunt. Just the same as you can't prove that it's NOT a publicity stunt.

I'm not 100% guaranteeing that it's a publicity stunt. Although I do heavily lean toward that belief. If by some slight chance I'm wrong in this case, then it's a matter of the band crying wolf too many times in recent years. They keep pulling publicity stunts like this. Schon and Cain were not really at odds the last couple of years. The band was ready to take a break and they wanted to stir up publicity to help keep the name Journey in the media and the minds of the fans. It also tied into the publicity that Cain and others are trying to get for Paula White. That moronic naked picture of Schon was another publicity stunt. They're looking for the TMZ's and Rolling Stone's (The publication, not the band) to give them coverage to help sell tickets and possibly the back catalog of albums.

If Schon and Cain were really as pissed off at each other as they were claiming in the media, there would have been virtually no coming back from that. But look now, they're the best of friends now. Amazing, isn't it?

I forget who it was? It might have been one of the Def Leppard guys? But one of the musicians that was touring in one of the bands that was on the road with Journey even commented that he saw no signs at all that Schon and Cain were having problems with each other at the time that they (Schon and Cain) claimed in the media to be at war with each other.

Irving Azzoff was or maybe even still is Journey's manager. I can't remember the exact quote at the moment. But Azzoff was once (or maybe more than once) quoted as saying something to the effect that half of the Rock business is deception.

[Journey/Survivor]

The one thing that I think that we all agree on is that this whole story of a hostile takeover seems incredibly bizarre and nonsensical. If it sounds that bizarre and nonsensical, maybe that's because it's not true?!?!

[Monker]

Why would evidence be in the complaint?

Dude, it's not ANYWHERE. Not in the complaint, not in the press, not in Neal's tweets - NOWHERE. There is no reason to believe ANY of this...and common sense says it's not true.

The idea that Jon signed it and is suing for ten million dollars anyway is laughable.

Maybe...if that was the only stated reason they are suing....the other accusation being they were trying to control the Journey name. It makes perfect sense when you consider that he and Neal are the owners of the Journey name via Elmo. He has a choice, either standing with Neal, or going against him. He chose to stand with him and not risk the consequences of going against him...and how that may have affected his position in Elmo.

Presumably the idea of the takeover stems from this secondhand info. For all we know Smitty's drum tech acted as an informant. Maybe it was Herbie. I don't know anything. You don't know anything.

First of all, even by their own admission they could not take over the Journey name via Nightmare. So, there is not even any damages there. Where did they come up with 10million dollars? You are just making stuff up now to justify this crazy thing. The more you defend it, the crazier it sounds.

[Monker]

The one thing that I think that we all agree on is that this whole story of a hostile takeover seems incredibly bizarre and nonsensical. If it sounds that bizarre and nonsensical, maybe that's because it's not true?!?!

Exactly. If the other side has their reaction made public, IMO, Herbie is going to be pissed. If they win the case, they should add Gregg Rolie to the board, too. This is all so ridiculous.

[scarab]

Has there been anything from Arnel yet and I wonder what the PRtenders think?
Its an odd pairing anyhow.

[Eric]

Has there been anything from Arnel yet and I wonder what the PRtenders think?
Its an odd pairing anyhow.

Saw this tweet from Arnel: https://mobile.twitter.com/arnelpineda/ ... 5326753794

[The_Noble_Cause]

Dude, it's not ANYWHERE. Not in the complaint, not in the press, not in Neal's tweets - NOWHERE. There is no reason to believe ANY of this...and common sense says it's not true.

The press is simply regurgitating the complaint and a complaint doesn't identify evidence. That is the function of a pretrial discovery. I've said this multiple times now.

Maybe...if that was the only stated reason they are suing....the other accusation being they were trying to control the Journey name. It makes perfect sense when you consider that he and Neal are the owners of the Journey name via Elmo. He has a choice, either standing with Neal, or going against him. He chose to stand with him and not risk the consequences of going against him...and how that may have affected his position in Elmo.

While Neal often shoots with the hip, Jon would never be so brash. Like so many on here, I've met both. Jon is not an idiot.

First of all, even by their own admission they could not take over the Journey name via Nightmare. So, there is not even any damages there. Where did they come up with 10million dollars? You are just making stuff up now to justify this crazy thing. The more you defend it, the crazier it sounds.

I simply pointed out that the phrase "information and belief" is deliberately used - so there is more to the story than you or I know.
The $10 million appears to be punitive damages for breach of fiduciary duty - not compensatory.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Do I have proof that this is a publicity stunt? No, of course not. I'm not in the band, I don't work for the band, I'm not a relative or friend of anyone in the band. So of course I can't prove that it's a publicity stunt. Just the same as you can't prove that it's NOT a publicity stunt.

I'm not 100% guaranteeing that it's a publicity stunt. Although I do heavily lean toward that belief. If by some slight chance I'm wrong in this case, then it's a matter of the band crying wolf too many times in recent years. They keep pulling publicity stunts like this. Schon and Cain were not really at odds the last couple of years. The band was ready to take a break and they wanted to stir up publicity to help keep the name Journey in the media and the minds of the fans. It also tied into the publicity that Cain and others are trying to get for Paula White. That moronic naked picture of Schon was another publicity stunt. They're looking for the TMZ's and Rolling Stone's (The publication, not the band) to give them coverage to help sell tickets and possibly the back catalog of albums.

If Schon and Cain were really as pissed off at each other as they were claiming in the media, there would have been virtually no coming back from that. But look now, they're the best of friends now. Amazing, isn't it?

I forget who it was? It might have been one of the Def Leppard guys? But one of the musicians that was touring in one of the bands that was on the road with Journey even commented that he saw no signs at all that Schon and Cain were having problems with each other at the time that they (Schon and Cain) claimed in the media to be at war with each other.

Irving Azzoff was or maybe even still is Journey's manager. I can't remember the exact quote at the moment. But Azzoff was once (or maybe more than once) quoted as saying something to the effect that half of the Rock business is deception.

You're all over the place.

1) Neal sued, or threatened to sue, to get that "moronic picture" taken down. He didn't leak it. Michaele's ex, Tareq, did. You think he posted his own junk all over the internet to help drum up publicity for a family-friendly band like Journey? WTF!

2) The Cain/Schon feud was very much real. It didn't show on stage because they are professionals. Cain doesn't air the band's dirty laundry on social media like Neal. However, he has addressed it in interviews (link below).

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/musi ... et-198038/


3) Paula doesn't need Neal or Cain to help promote her. She already works for the biggest shameless promoter in the universe - Donald Trump.

[Journey/Survivor]

Do I have proof that this is a publicity stunt? No, of course not. I'm not in the band, I don't work for the band, I'm not a relative or friend of anyone in the band. So of course I can't prove that it's a publicity stunt. Just the same as you can't prove that it's NOT a publicity stunt.

I'm not 100% guaranteeing that it's a publicity stunt. Although I do heavily lean toward that belief. If by some slight chance I'm wrong in this case, then it's a matter of the band crying wolf too many times in recent years. They keep pulling publicity stunts like this. Schon and Cain were not really at odds the last couple of years. The band was ready to take a break and they wanted to stir up publicity to help keep the name Journey in the media and the minds of the fans. It also tied into the publicity that Cain and others are trying to get for Paula White. That moronic naked picture of Schon was another publicity stunt. They're looking for the TMZ's and Rolling Stone's (The publication, not the band) to give them coverage to help sell tickets and possibly the back catalog of albums.

If Schon and Cain were really as pissed off at each other as they were claiming in the media, there would have been virtually no coming back from that. But look now, they're the best of friends now. Amazing, isn't it?

I forget who it was? It might have been one of the Def Leppard guys? But one of the musicians that was touring in one of the bands that was on the road with Journey even commented that he saw no signs at all that Schon and Cain were having problems with each other at the time that they (Schon and Cain) claimed in the media to be at war with each other.

Irving Azzoff was or maybe even still is Journey's manager. I can't remember the exact quote at the moment. But Azzoff was once (or maybe more than once) quoted as saying something to the effect that half of the Rock business is deception.

You're all over the place.

1) Neal sued, or threatened to sue, to get that "moronic picture" taken down. He didn't leak it. Michaele's ex, Tareq, did. You think he posted his own junk all over the internet to help drum up publicity for a family-friendly band like Journey? WTF!

2) The Cain/Schon feud was very much real. It didn't show on stage because they are professionals. Cain doesn't air the band's dirty laundry on social media like Neal. However, he has addressed it in interviews (link below).

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/musi ... et-198038/


3) Paula doesn't need Neal or Cain to help promote her. She already works for the biggest shameless promoter in the universe - Donald Trump.

You're assuming that everything that is announced by Journey, their management or TMZ is true. How do we know that Neal was really suing to keep the photo off of the internet? We don't! How do we know that Neal really sent that photo to Tareq? We don't!
You're assuming that those claims are true?

Why in the hell would Neal send that photo to another guy? Is Neal gay? I don't think so. I'm not gay, so guess what, I don't send naked pictures of myself to guys!

Calling Journey a family friendly band is a bit of a stretch. They're not the Wiggles or something like that. They are a band full of guys who have reportedly had drug problems, get married and divorced over and over and over again, and do an say all kinds of things that are not family friendly. Was Steve Perry being family friendly when he was using the F word multiple times on stage to yell at the moron who threw a bottle at Schon? And that was back in 1983 when people didn't openly swear in public quite as much as they do now, and when the guys had long careers ahead of them.
They don't give a shit about being family friendly at this point. Plus, it's not like young kids would have been seeing the picture of Schon.

I also don't know how you can say that Schon and company are such professionals overall? Yes, when it comes to their musical and performing abilities they are as professional as can be. But all of this shit-storm drama over the last few years sure doesn't seem professional. And the report from a member of a different band that there were no signs of feuding between Schon and Cain was in reference to what that musician was seeing backstage. Sure Schon and Cain could still act professionally on stage. But if they really hated each others guts as we were being told, then that would certainly show up back stage.

I've never hung out backstage at a Journey concert. But I have hung out backstage with a number of major bands. I'm not going to share who said exactly what. But I've had one band member once tell me that he hoped that a certain other member of his band would get cancer and die. I've been told a whole lot of other bad things about musicians from other band members. And I'm just a Joe Schmo. If they share details like that with my Joe Schmo self, then they're not going to worry about what another star musician sees or hears backstage.

Also, Rolling Stone has the credibility of a tabloid. Even Schon has said that he'd use a Rolling Stone's pages if he ran out of toilet paper.

How did I somehow miss it that we've returned to a paradise earth where no-one lies and no-one pulls publicity stunts to make money? I guess there's no longer greed in the world?

[brywool]

I’ve been wondering a lot lately too if what Schon and Cain see as a coup is really just everyone else saying enough is enough with the Neal vs Jon drama and Neal’s “everyone is out to get me “ paranoia. The thought of the two of them controlling the Journey machine had to have been concerning for all of the other interested parties considering how they’ve been acting over the last couple years.

EXACTLY.

Neal and Jon have been completely erratic over the past few years, at least in their social media feeds. It wasn't JUST Smitty and Ross that did this. It was PERRY and Herbie. I mean... HERBIE turning on NEAL??????? Something is wrong in Journeyland. They have to be worried about the future of the business that they built with Neal and Jon steering the ship.

[ebake02]

I’ve been wondering a lot lately too if what Schon and Cain see as a coup is really just everyone else saying enough is enough with the Neal vs Jon drama and Neal’s “everyone is out to get me “ paranoia. The thought of the two of them controlling the Journey machine had to have been concerning for all of the other interested parties considering how they’ve been acting over the last couple years.

EXACTLY.

Neal and Jon have been completely erratic over the past few years, at least in their social media feeds. It wasn't JUST Smitty and Ross that did this. It was PERRY and Herbie. I mean... HERBIE turning on NEAL??????? Something is wrong in Journeyland. They have to be worried about the future of the business that they built with Neal and Jon steering the ship.

I’m very interested in seeing how this lawsuit plays out because Neal and John are making some very strong accusations but I didn’t really anything in the court docs that proves anything, just a lot of assumptions. Ross and Smitty have 2 years worth of social media posts to prove Neal and Jon are running the ship into the ground, if that is going to be their defense argument.

[Liquid_Drummer]

This situation is so fucked up I had to be nosey and see WTF you guys had to say about it. Long time no see y'all.

[ebake02]

This situation is so fucked up I had to be nosey and see WTF you guys had to say about it. Long time no see y'all.

Welcome back!

[annie89509]

Cain is also a plaintiff here - not just Neal. The shareholder meeting resulting in the power grab was never approved by Jon Cain. According to the legal team, his e-signature was never approved. [b]How do you convene a meeting of the board of directors and the shareholders, when two out of the three directors are against the meeting?[/b]

I already said, "They are saying they were unlawfully added to the board at Nightmare, but that seems sketchy and arguable. I doubt Herbie and all of their lawyers would do this if it was unlawful."

Where you read in the documents that Cain did not approve, in the very previous sentence it says that he purportedly did approve. I doubt very much that Herbie and the lawyers would have proceeded with this if they did not have a signed document. What I think most likely happened is that Jonathan signed it, and later regretted it and wanted to take it back.

Like others have said, I too had to get in here, after catching the mainstream newsfeed, to read what you Journey experts and diehards have to say. Of all the drama that have occurred with this band of ours over the past 40-45 years, this one is a doo-sy. Regarding the above thought of TNC (in bold), I think that must have been a previously scheduled annual board meeting (all corporations are required to conduct once a year board & stockholders meeting to discuss specific agenda and for the purpose of voting on items). Doesn't matter board members are not all in agreement.

[ebake02]

Nothing like some good old fashioned Journey drama to liven things up a little around here.

[Eric]

Nothing like some good old fashioned Journey drama to liven things up a little around here.

It's kinda great!

[The_Noble_Cause]

You're assuming that everything that is announced by Journey, their management or TMZ is true. How do we know that Neal was really suing to keep the photo off of the internet? We don't!

Because the websites that posted the picture all took it down nearly around the same time - obviously under the threat of litigation. I assume you think these websites are part of the vast conspiracy also?

How do we know that Neal really sent that photo to Tareq? We don't!
You're assuming that those claims are true?

Why in the hell would Neal send that photo to another guy? Is Neal gay? I don't think so. I'm not gay, so guess what, I don't send naked pictures of myself to guys!

I didn't say Neal sent it to Tareq. I said Tareq leaked it. The 'why' is obvious.

Calling Journey a family friendly band is a bit of a stretch. They're not the Wiggles or something like that. They are a band full of guys who have reportedly had drug problems, get married and divorced over and over and over again, and do an say all kinds of things that are not family friendly. Was Steve Perry being family friendly when he was using the F word multiple times on stage to yell at the moron who threw a bottle at Schon? And that was back in 1983 when people didn't openly swear in public quite as much as they do now, and when the guys had long careers ahead of them.
They don't give a shit about being family friendly at this point. Plus, it's not like young kids would have been seeing the picture of Schon.

I also don't know how you can say that Schon and company are such professionals overall? Yes, when it comes to their musical and performing abilities they are as professional as can be. But all of this shit-storm drama over the last few years sure doesn't seem professional. And the report from a member of a different band that there were no signs of feuding between Schon and Cain was in reference to what that musician was seeing backstage. Sure Schon and Cain could still act professionally on stage. But if they really hated each others guts as we were being told, then that would certainly show up back stage.

I've never hung out backstage at a Journey concert. But I have hung out backstage with a number of major bands. I'm not going to share who said exactly what. But I've had one band member once tell me that he hoped that a certain other member of his band would get cancer and die. I've been told a whole lot of other bad things about musicians from other band members. And I'm just a Joe Schmo. If they share details like that with my Joe Schmo self, then they're not going to worry about what another star musician sees or hears backstage.

Also, Rolling Stone has the credibility of a tabloid. Even Schon has said that he'd use a Rolling Stone's pages if he ran out of toilet paper.

How did I somehow miss it that we've returned to a paradise earth where no-one lies and no-one pulls publicity stunts to make money? I guess there's no longer greed in the world?

1) Yes, the band is very much a family band. I have heard Cain apologize to an audience after Schon loudly said the word fuck, pointing out how kids were in the audience. The band repeatedly mentions the varying ages of fans in the press. The album title Generations was even in reference to how families now attend the shows. You may think they are the melodic rock version of Rammstein or Gwar or something, but you are delusional. They are a largely family-friendly group. Your ancient example of Steve cussing after Neal got hit in the head with a bottle does not represent the band on a nightly basis whatsoever.

2) The backstage account you keep mentioning is meaningless. I'm pretty sure Neal's dressing room is completely separate from Cain's. Just because Neal talks all sorts of shit on Twitter, doesn't mean he is going to body slam Jonathan on the stage or something.

3) Neal's opinion on Rolling Stone is due to how the magazine treated the band and labeled them corporate rock. The link I provided was not a music review. It was an interview of Jonathan. Are you seriously claiming that the tentacles of the vast conspiracy extend so far that it involves fabricated quotes?

[Monker]

Nothing like some good old fashioned Journey drama to liven things up a little around here.

It's kinda great!

IMO, no it's not. It was great back when BE's Backlash was released, The Storm was released, FTLOSM was released, "Beyond the Thunder' was released, Back to the Innocence was released, Dream After Dream being released on CD for the first time, and gems like Just-if-I were found...and of course, the rumors of a Journey reunion - with or without Perry.

That was a fun time to be around; AOL, Prodigy, GEnie, the Journey mailing list, alt.music.journey, and Skylord's forum chatting because there was a TON of relevant things to talk about...and not just drama, though there was some of that, too.