The 2008 US Presidential Election Thread

[SteveForever]

Not even close.
I've got friends who have never cast a vote in their lives due to religious reasons and even they were appalled by what they witnessed at the GOP Convention.
iight. And you know this how?
Funny how Romney's religion was a personal matter, but Obama's is fair game.
More selective moralizing from the party of Jack Abramoff.

[b]They don't vote for religious reasons? can you expand on that a bit?[/b]

[S2M]

I've got friends who have never cast a vote in their lives due to religious reasons

Who gives a flying flip about what someone who doesn't vote thinks? If someone doesn't vote they need to shut the hell up. None of their business.

I disagree....perhaps some voters feel disenfranchised after the last few elctions.....and 'we' don't think our votes matter/count anyway....

ever think of that?

[SteveForever]

I've got friends who have never cast a vote in their lives due to religious reasons

Who gives a flying flip about what someone who doesn't vote thinks? If someone doesn't vote they need to shut the hell up. None of their business.

I disagree....perhaps some voters feel disenfranchised after the last few elctions.....and 'we' don't think our votes matter/count anyway....

ever think of that?

I've heard this so many times, but still you'd think people would want to atleast express themselves and to exercise the right.
I've also heard that people don't register because they don't want to get called for jury duty? why?! jury duty is great!

[JH'sTXfan]

I've got friends who have never cast a vote in their lives due to religious reasons

Who gives a flying flip about what someone who doesn't vote thinks? If someone doesn't vote they need to shut the hell up. None of their business.

I disagree....perhaps some voters feel disenfranchised after the last few elctions.....and 'we' don't think our votes matter/count anyway....

ever think of that?

I've heard this so many times, but still you'd think people would want to atleast express themselves and to exercise the right.
I've also heard that people don't register because they don't want to get called for jury duty? why?! jury duty is great!

In our county, jurors now get called from driver's license records. Every driver gets a chance, ha!

[S2M]

I've got friends who have never cast a vote in their lives due to religious reasons

Who gives a flying flip about what someone who doesn't vote thinks? If someone doesn't vote they need to shut the hell up. None of their business.

I disagree....perhaps some voters feel disenfranchised after the last few elctions.....and 'we' don't think our votes matter/count anyway....

ever think of that?

Whatever your feelings about Florida 2000 Bush v Gore, there are still tons of local issues that need addressed and as such you should be making the trip to the polls. While there, a vote for President or not is your perogative, if you don't exercise that right I don't feel you should complain.

When everybody realizes that this country is a republic, and NOT a democracy - half the battle will have been won.

This country loves to spread 'democarcy', when it fact, it isn't even democratic. How ironic and hypocritical is that?!

[The_Noble_Cause]

Who gives a flying flip about what someone who doesn't vote thinks? If someone doesn't vote they need to shut the hell up. None of their business.

As non-partisan arbiters I found their take on both party conventions VERY interesting and, considering their staunch moral stances, very surprising.

[The_Noble_Cause]

[b]They don't vote for religious reasons? can you expand on that a bit?[/b]

For some odd reason, several of my friends are Jehovah's Witnesses.
They don't vote, or even recite the pledge as far as I'm aware.

[Lula]

just watched last night's snl opener.... too friggin funny!!

http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/ ... en/704042/

[RossValoryRocks]

[b]They don't vote for religious reasons? can you expand on that a bit?[/b]

For some odd reason, several of my friends are Jehovah's Witnesses.
They don't vote, or even recite the pledge as far as I'm aware.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah_wi ... overnments

They consider it compromising their Christian neutrality.

[conversationpc]

Not even close.
I've got friends who have never cast a vote in their lives due to religious reasons and even they were appalled by what they witnessed at the GOP Convention.
From the psy-ops porn montage of 9-11 to the continual berating of Obama's community service, you guys reveled in no-holds-barred shit slinging.
Same deal as in 2004.

Ummm...It isn't "us guys". I'm not a Republican and probably have a more independent voting record than a vast majority of voters. I've shown far more independence even on these forums from the policies of Bush and the Republicans than you ever have against Democrats. Until you're willing to cut the puppet strings from the leftists on your side, shut the piehole.

Then there's the deal with your feigned outrage about the berating of Obama's community service when people on your side are doing the same thing about Palin's experience as a mayor and governor and the other comments from people like that idiot in Congress who compared her to Pontius Pilate and other outrageous remarks that I've posted about in this very thread.

Also, it's funny how little ol' Palin made more headway against corruption in her own party than Obama did against the corrupt Democratic political machine that's been running Chicago for decades now. Yeah, that community organizer stuff really gave Obama a spine to stand up against that, huh?

Riiiight. And you know this how?
Funny how Romney's religion was a personal matter, but Obama's is fair game.
More selective moralizing from the party of Jack Abramoff.

I've done some studying on Black Liberation theology and it is INHERENTLY racist. There's no question about it. As far as I am aware Romney's religious beliefs are nowhere near as controversial as that and it's a red herring, in the first place. Romney's beliefs were such a "personal matter" that he was constantly attacked for it, discriminated against, and had enough pressure put on him about it that he felt the need to have a press conference to deal just with that issue. Boy, how soon we forget, huh?

Anyway, there's nothing selective about it at all and it's an extremely interesting comment coming from the party of Cold Cash Jefferson, Jack Abramoff (yes, Dems were involved also ), Charlie Rangel, and the Dems in Congress who were supposedly going to reverse the trend of crooked politics in Washington. Boy, they made a lot of headway on that, didn't they?

[Enigma869]

Interesting video. Obviously posted by a card-carrying Republican!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5tZc8oH ... ture=email


John from Boston

[The_Noble_Cause]

Ummm...It isn't "us guys". I'm not a Republican and probably have a more independent voting record than a vast majority of voters. I've shown far more independence even on these forums from the policies of Bush and the Republicans than you ever have against Democrats. Until you're willing to cut the puppet strings from the leftists on your side, shut the piehole.

Total shit.
I supported Mike Gravel thru the primaries who got thrown out of the party and the debates for being too critical of the Democratic party.
Most of the time when I wax political I am bashing the DLC-ization of the Dems and the Reagan-lite subversive elements within it, including such alleged pinko nemesises like The Clintons.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXzGkdABVzk

Then there's the deal with your feigned outrage about the berating of Obama's community service when people on your side are doing the same thing about Palin's experience as a mayor and governor and the other comments from people like that idiot in Congress who compared her to Pontius Pilate and other outrageous remarks that I've posted about in this very thread.

Palin wasn't attacked at the Dem. Convention because she hadn't been selected yet.
But even the McCain broadsides that were launched were broached in a certain measure of respect that was strikingly absent when it came to Obama. Monker has pointed this out too.
It was all gutter pot shots and Palin's acidic speech was a def. low point.

Also, it's funny how little ol' Palin made more headway against corruption in her own party than Obama did against the corrupt Democratic political machine that's been running Chicago for decades now. Yeah, that community organizer stuff really gave Obama a spine to stand up against that, huh?

Couldn't care less. I'm voting for the party not the candidate.

I've done some studying on Black Liberation theology and it is INHERENTLY racist. There's no question about it. As far as I am aware Romney's religious beliefs are nowhere near as controversial as that and it's a red herring, in the first place. Romney's beliefs were such a "personal matter" that he was constantly attacked for it, discriminated against, and had enough pressure put on him about it that he felt the need to have a press conference to deal just with that issue. Boy, how soon we forget, huh?

Romney's religion faced very little scrutiny beyond the simple noting that he was a Mormon.
No questions were posed about magical underpants or its racist origins.

Anyway, there's nothing selective about it at all and it's an extremely interesting comment coming from the party of Cold Cash Jefferson, Jack Abramoff (yes, Dems were involved also ), Charlie Rangel, and the Dems in Congress who were supposedly going to reverse the trend of crooked politics in Washington. Boy, they made a lot of headway on that, didn't they?

Yeh, kinda how Bush ran as the CEO President...
Even if the Dems did pass significant ethics legislation you wouldn't care to find out.

[RossValoryRocks]

Couldn't care less. I'm voting for the party not the candidate.

You vote party line? You don't actually look to see who is the more qualified candidate? Or did you reverse that?

That is about the stupidest thing I have ever heard if you vote the party not the cadidate.

I have voted many times for the democrat, including Clinton in '96, because I thought they were better qualified to be in the office.

[ProgRocker53]

This independent has decided to go with McCain/Palin..

Biden scares the HELL out of me and Obama's one shady bugger.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Couldn't care less. I'm voting for the party not the candidate.

You vote party line? You don't actually look to see who is the more qualified candidate? Or did you reverse that?

That is about the stupidest thing I have ever heard if you vote the party not the cadidate.

I have voted many times for the democrat, including Clinton in '96, because I thought they were better qualified to be in the office.

At this critical juncture in time, any Democrat will do.

[ProgRocker53]

Couldn't care less. I'm voting for the party not the candidate.

You vote party line? You don't actually look to see who is the more qualified candidate? Or did you reverse that?

That is about the stupidest thing I have ever heard if you vote the party not the cadidate.

I have voted many times for the democrat, including Clinton in '96, because I thought they were better qualified to be in the office.

Good post Stu...

I refuse to affiliate myself with a whole party because many elections are situational, and different institutions require to be led by different parties at different times. That, and both parties seem to have a tendency to pick some downright jackasses and creeps..

[RossValoryRocks]

Couldn't care less. I'm voting for the party not the candidate.

You vote party line? You don't actually look to see who is the more qualified candidate? Or did you reverse that?

That is about the stupidest thing I have ever heard if you vote the party not the cadidate.

I have voted many times for the democrat, including Clinton in '96, because I thought they were better qualified to be in the office.

At this critical juncture in time, any Democrat will do.

Yeah you just sealed the fact you are a moron...complete and utter. I can understand not wanting to vote for a republican for president, or senator, but I am sure there are state and local republicans or independents that are better qualified than their democratic challenger.

You are very short sighted, then again most of the party line people are.

[Enigma869]

You vote party line? You don't actually look to see who is the more qualified candidate? Or did you reverse that?

That is about the stupidest thing I have ever heard if you vote the party not the cadidate.

I have voted many times for the democrat, including Clinton in '96, because I thought they were better qualified to be in the office.

I don't agree with much you say, Stu, but you are spot on here! Anyone who votes for just a party and pays no attention to the candidate and issues, should have their voting privileges revoked for life! I've never understood partisan politics and never will. How anyone defends a certain candidate, (who is clearly a jackass) just because of the party thev've chosen to affiliate themselves with is flat out dopey!


John from Boston

[The_Noble_Cause]

At this critical juncture in time, any Democrat will do.

Yeah you just sealed the fact you are a moron...complete and utter. I can understand not wanting to vote for a republican for president, or senator, but I am sure there are state and local republicans or independents that are better qualified than their democratic challenger.

You are very short sighted, then again most of the party line people are.

I think it is pretty obvious from my statement that I am talking about presidential politics.

[RossValoryRocks]

Yeah you just sealed the fact you are a moron...complete and utter. I can understand not wanting to vote for a republican for president, or senator, but I am sure there are state and local republicans or independents that are better qualified than their democratic challenger.

You are very short sited, then again most of the party line people are.

I think it is pretty obvious from my statement that I talking about presidential politics.

In that case I concede the point. Though if you look at McCain and Obama objectively, neither is going to be able to do much, neither will congress this go around because of the bi-partisan fuckup of the economics of this country.

[grimlocked]

just watched last night's snl opener.... too friggin funny!!

http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/ ... en/704042/

I think this one pales in comparison to the real Palin-Couric interview. I found the original interview much funnier.

[7 Wishes]

What some people are refusing to acknowledge is that the legislation Clinton signed in 1995 was actually a compromise. The Republicans, who had taken over in 1994, had pushed through FAR MORE deregulatory statutes than actually became law. This crisis would have been far worse - and would have come about much earlier - had Clinton not stood firm and demanded the limited amount of oversight and regulation.

Clinton did not "admit it was [his] fault". He is intelligent enough to realize - and humble enough to acknowledge - that the legislation ultimately caused the Wall Street crisis. He is not, nor should he be, absolved of partial responsibility. But the hawkish deregulation-happy Republicans were the ones who wrote the law and demanded Clinton sign it.

[RossValoryRocks]

What some people are refusing to acknowledge is that the legislation Clinton signed in 1995 was actually a compromise. The Republicans, who had taken over in 1994, had pushed through FAR MORE deregulatory statutes than actually became law. This crisis would have been far worse - and would have come about much earlier - had Clinton not stood firm and demanded the limited amount of oversight and regulation.

Clinton did not "admit it was [his] fault". He is intelligent enough to realize - and humble enough to acknowledge - that the legislation ultimately caused the Wall Street crisis. He is not, nor should he be, absolved of partial responsibility. But the hawkish deregulation-happy Republicans were the ones who wrote the law and demanded Clinton sign it.

Actually he said the Democrats in Congress resisted what he and the Republicans wanted to do. I will find the exact quote for you, he just said it last week.

William Jefferson Clinton said, "I think the responsibility that the Democrats have may rest more in resisting any efforts by Republicans in the Congress, or by me when I was President, to put some standards and tighten up a little on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac…"

Here is the video: http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar ... on-do.html

[S2M]

[RossValoryRocks]

FUNNY!

My only point is 7 is always saying the republicans are to blame for everything and that just isn't true.

All the politicians are to blame, from BOTH parties.

[conversationpc]

I don't know about anybody else but I've lost all desire to debate any points here for the time being. The vote on the bailout bill today is huge and I personally believe the economy is going to go down the tubes big time regardless of the result. I think a lot of people are going to be seriously effected by this. I just pray that it is not as serious as I think it's going to be.

[S2M]

So what's the point in voting?

We are fucked no matter what......

[RossValoryRocks]

I don't know about anybody else but I've lost all desire to debate any points here for the time being. The vote on the bailout bill today is huge and I personally believe the economy is going to go down the tubes big time regardless of the result. I think a lot of people are going to be seriously effected by this. I just pray that it is not as serious as I think it's going to be.

The system has failed us...this bail out is only going to stem the tide until the next President gets into office.

I heard lots of pundits this weekend saying that if it wasn't 5 weeks before an election this bill would never have been tracked this fast, if at all.

66% of the American public thinks this is a BAD idea.

As usual the politicians aren't listening.

[Rhiannon]

I don't know about anybody else but I've lost all desire to debate any points here for the time being. The vote on the bailout bill today is huge and I personally believe the economy is going to go down the tubes big time regardless of the result. I think a lot of people are going to be seriously effected by this. I just pray that it is not as serious as I think it's going to be.

The system has failed us...this bail out is only going to stem the tide until the next President gets into office.

I heard lots of pundits this weekend saying that if it wasn't 5 weeks before an election this bill would never have been tracked this fast, if at all.

66% of the American public thinks this is a BAD idea.

As usual the politicians aren't listening.

It's times like this I wish I paid more attention to politics, economy, and things. I have no clue what is going on other than the government may or may not be bailing out AIG. WaMu folded... Citigroup just bought my bank (Wachovia)... and if all else fails, I can go back to the simple life on the farm, I guess?

[conversationpc]

I don't know about anybody else but I've lost all desire to debate any points here for the time being. The vote on the bailout bill today is huge and I personally believe the economy is going to go down the tubes big time regardless of the result. I think a lot of people are going to be seriously effected by this. I just pray that it is not as serious as I think it's going to be.

The system has failed us...this bail out is only going to stem the tide until the next President gets into office.

I heard lots of pundits this weekend saying that if it wasn't 5 weeks before an election this bill would never have been tracked this fast, if at all.

66% of the American public thinks this is a BAD idea.

As usual the politicians aren't listening.

I heard earlier that it was running 90% against the bill. I know we have to do something but, from what I've heard of the bill, it is simply putting a bandaid on the problem and also handing away our freedoms. This is not good.