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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Wed May 14, 2008 5:16 am

lights1961 wrote:TNC.. we get it... conservatives are all brain dead because we listen to rush hannity and fox news... and your mind is all knowing because you watch larry king live, anderson cooper, Brian Williams and KAtie Couric ;-)

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You mean the same Brian Williams who just claimed that right-wing water carrier Peggy Noonan deserves a pulitizer?
The same Brian Williams who for the past two weeks has refused to cover the NYTimes explosive expose on the embeded pentagon analysts?

Katie Couric had Rush Limabaugh on the inaugural week of her newscast.

Larry King tosses softballs to the guest no matter the political affiliation.

You view the world through a jaundiced eye, Rick. I only wish there were a liberal media.
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Postby conversationpc » Wed May 14, 2008 5:18 am

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conversationpc wrote:No, I don't know what PICON is. Please enlighten me, o wise and elevated one.


Google it asshole.


Google gives me everything from a papermaking, printing, and paper converting company to some kind of mixed drink to "Personal Icons". How about something more specific, Mr. Libtard?

You are an entitled to your own informed opinion. I'll leave it at that.


The problem is, your definition of "informed", much like Clinton's definition of "is", is a moving target.

No, they don't tell the truth.
Case in point - just the other night I heard Savage say the Walter Reed scandal was engineered by leftists and that nothing came of it.
When in fact, the army surgeon general was fired over it.

And this is the precise cacophony of shit that's disseminated over the public airwaves day-in, day-out 24/7.


Can't stand Savage. The dude is obviously intelligent but he's also extremely self-serving and wouldn't know the truth if it fisted him with a glass-encrusted glove. He always talking about how many degrees he has, about how certain ideas were his before others used them, and how smart he is in general. I'd rather watch paint dry than listen to his show.

The KKK was once 5 million strong at one point, too.


Gee, the race card. How original. :roll:
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Wed May 14, 2008 5:32 am

O'Reilly showing off those Fox News family values

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tJjNVVwRCY
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Postby AlteredDNA » Wed May 14, 2008 5:33 am

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AlteredDNA wrote:I didn't reword anything. I simply stated what Edwards does that makes him a hypocrite.


Yet you refuse to define why. Talking about poverty, as well as starting a poverty center makes him a hypocrite? Or is it his haircut?
And if it is, just what the fuck do you care how he spends his own money?

AlteredDNA wrote:BTW, there's nothing wrong with being rich, contrary to what the Democrats what have you believe.


I've never heard any Democrat say anything to that effect.
Arguing against tax cuts for the rich and preventing the dawn of a modern gilded age is also something else entiriely.

AlteredDNA wrote:Checked out the link - agreed, "alleged disease" was out of line. It's a shame, too, because every other word he said was spot on.


So I take it, you think Edwards was in the wrong to sue the pool drain manufacturer whose faulty product resulted in a 3 year old girl losing her large intestine?
Intersting.
Tort reform is about as valid as sasquatch, by the way.


Tired of cutting and pasting into all of your word-twisting:

1) I clearly stated why he's a hypocrite. My apologies if you missed it. It has nothing to do with his wealth, but rather his whole "two Americas" populist tripe.
2) Show me a leading Democrat who consistantly champions Capitalism and the creation of wealth, other than at the expense of the "rich".
3) I own my own business. I am by no means "rich", but my largest "expense", far and away, is taxes. Tax cuts for the rich is the left's tired old boogeyman.
4) Once again, you're putting words in my post. Did I say anything about the court case you referenced? Did Savage in the clip you linked to? No. How about the millions Edwards made suing doctors, alleging that the botched treatment of women in labor and their deliveries caused infants to develop cerebral palsy - pure Junk Science.

And of course, this little gem. Please excuse the cut and paste, but I want to be sure to use his words:
'I have to tell you right now -- I didn't plan to talk about this -- right now I feel her (Jennifer), I feel her presence,' Edwards told the jury according to court records. "[Jennifer's] inside me and she's talking to you ... And this is what she says to you. She says, 'I don't ask for your pity. What I ask for is your strength. And I don't ask for your sympathy, but I do ask for your courage.'"

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Postby conversationpc » Wed May 14, 2008 5:35 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:O'Reilly showing off those Fox News family values

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tJjNVVwRCY


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That was almost as funny as the one someone posted from Chris Berman. Not as many f-bombs, though.
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Postby Barb » Wed May 14, 2008 5:38 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:O'Reilly showing off those Fox News family values

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tJjNVVwRCY


LOL! That was long before his time on Fox. O'Reilly is a hothead. I dont like him much as a person, but I find his show and the topics he covers interesting. I've never seen a bigger egomaniac, though. :lol:
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Postby conversationpc » Wed May 14, 2008 5:45 am

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The_Noble_Cause wrote:O'Reilly showing off those Fox News family values

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tJjNVVwRCY


LOL! That was long before his time on Fox. O'Reilly is a hothead. I dont like him much as a person, but I find his show and the topics he covers interesting. I've never seen a bigger egomaniac, though. :lol:


Have you ever listened to Michael Savage? Dude makes O'Reilly look puny in that area, by comparison. :shock:
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Wed May 14, 2008 5:47 am

Seasoned leadership America desperately needs

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Postby Barb » Wed May 14, 2008 5:54 am

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The_Noble_Cause wrote:O'Reilly showing off those Fox News family values

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tJjNVVwRCY


LOL! That was long before his time on Fox. O'Reilly is a hothead. I dont like him much as a person, but I find his show and the topics he covers interesting. I've never seen a bigger egomaniac, though. :lol:


Have you ever listened to Michael Savage? Dude makes O'Reilly look puny in that area, by comparison. :shock:


Savage is psychotic.
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Postby Barb » Wed May 14, 2008 6:01 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:Seasoned leadership America desperately needs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TI6PA4v6dZg


Mike Gravel? Seriously? I don't think so.

http://www.ontheissues.org/Mike_Gravel.htm
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Postby lights1961 » Wed May 14, 2008 6:49 am

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lights1961 wrote:TNC.. we get it... conservatives are all brain dead because we listen to rush hannity and fox news... and your mind is all knowing because you watch larry king live, anderson cooper, Brian Williams and KAtie Couric ;-)

Rick


You mean the same Brian Williams who just claimed that right-wing water carrier Peggy Noonan deserves a pulitizer?
The same Brian Williams who for the past two weeks has refused to cover the NYTimes explosive expose on the embeded pentagon analysts?

Katie Couric had Rush Limabaugh on the inaugural week of her newscast.

Larry King tosses softballs to the guest no matter the political affiliation.

You view the world through a jaundiced eye, Rick. I only wish there were a liberal media.[/quote


lets see. from about 1968 until about 1988 it was all liberal all the time..from vietnam--to the watergate thru the reagan years...any chance network news could dish out to our side they did. only person who had the guts and intellect to take you on was Buckley... he rocked by the way... when the press tore down regan for eight years as they have bush... did they ever do stories six months into their bashing and wonder if this was the right thing to do???? like they did during clintons term??

Only when Rush back in 1988 became national did our side have a another voice period. Buckley was quiet and reserved RUSH blasted out three hours every day...he was only loud voice until 1995 or 96 when fox news became CNNS pain in the ass did we get another side of the news... NBC, ABC CBS CNN all could say whatever they wanted and no one could say boo...
now we have fox and all liberals want to do is say how lousy fox news is... cracks me up...

PERIOD...what this have to do with anything.. i forgot what the original premise of the thread was... oh well...

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Postby RedWingFan » Wed May 14, 2008 7:06 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:You view the world through a jaundiced eye, Rick. I only wish there were a liberal media.

May I recommend a reading of "Bias" by Bernard Goldberg. A liberal who's honest about his first hand experience.
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Wed May 14, 2008 7:25 am

RedWingFan wrote:May I recommend a reading of "Bias" by Bernard Goldberg. A liberal who's honest about his first hand experience.


No, you may not.

Goldberg's veneer of truthiness is shattered by his kid-glove treatment of Bryant Gumbel - CBS liberal who escapes Goldberg's scrutiny, largely because he signs Goldberg's checks over at HBO Real Sports.
My, what a man of character.

Goldberg was on O'Reilly just a month ago howling that the media wouldn't dare touch the Reverend Wright story.
How did that prediction work out? :lol:

Anyone who thinks Bob Schieffer or Brian Williams are radical agents of advocacy journalism clearly aren't watching.
Most network news these days is pure marketing fluff.
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Postby lights1961 » Wed May 14, 2008 7:30 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
RedWingFan wrote:May I recommend a reading of "Bias" by Bernard Goldberg. A liberal who's honest about his first hand experience.


No, you may not.

Goldberg's veneer of truthiness is shattered by his kid-glove treatment of Bryant Gumbel - CBS liberal who escapes Goldberg's scrutiny, largely because he signs Goldberg's checks over at HBO Real Sports.
My, what a man of character.

Goldberg was on O'Reilly just a month ago howling that the media wouldn't dare touch the Reverend Wright story.
How did that prediction work out? :lol:

Anyone who thinks Bob Schieffer or Brian Williams are radical agents of advocacy journalism clearly aren't watching.
Most network news these days is pure marketing fluff.


actually not muched happened there...oh they tried a little... but then he went on smpthay tour and you know liberals loved being labeled a victim.. think of NAG NAACP or anyone else...
and then the media stops... cold any bashing of Wright... no matter he will still talk the way he has..its him.. but dont live ina 2.5 million dollar house on a golf course and talk like that...

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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Wed May 14, 2008 7:47 am

lights1961 wrote:actually not muched happened there...oh they tried a little... but then he went on smpthay tour and you know liberals loved being labeled a victim.. think of NAG NAACP or anyone else...
and then the media stops... cold any bashing of Wright... no matter he will still talk the way he has..its him.. but dont live ina 2.5 million dollar house on a golf course and talk like that...
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The media fixated on Reverend Wright exclusively for an entire week or more. In today's new media age that is an incredible feat in itself. Most stories are lucky to get as much as a 10 second blip on one singular newscast. What you're describing isn't exclusive to liberalism, it's the nature of the media beast in the modern age. How often can a newscast carry the same story of "Reverend Wright", especially when it wasn't even news the first go around?

Larry Craig has refused to leave the Senate and is still serving.
Should that have continued to dominate the news until he repents for his toilet sex loving ways?

The newsmedia gets infatuated with a cause celbre for a week and then gets distracted by something else.
And it doesn't even have to be political, look at the frenzied coverage of John Mark Karr or Anna Nicole.

It's just the way it goes.
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Postby RedWingFan » Wed May 14, 2008 8:20 am

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RedWingFan wrote:May I recommend a reading of "Bias" by Bernard Goldberg. A liberal who's honest about his first hand experience.


No, you may not.

Goldberg's veneer of truthiness is shattered by his kid-glove treatment of Bryant Gumbel - CBS liberal who escapes Goldberg's scrutiny, largely because he signs Goldberg's checks over at HBO Real Sports.
My, what a man of character.

So the entire book is discredited, not by what's in it, but by what's not in it? :lol:
Not surprised coming from someone who's so quick to believe Kerry's "botched joke" excuse, which followed 30 some odd years of calling troops horrible names, ie: "reminescent of Ghengis Kahn".
Then turns around and tries to nail Limbaugh on "phony soldiers" after going over documented fake soldiers who claimed to be in Iraq, and decades of donating and raising funds that totals in the millions for our troops (which includes liberal troops)
Maybe Dan Rather can print up with a document that directs the money to only conservative troops and forge Limbaugh's name at the bottom! :lol:
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Wed May 14, 2008 8:59 am

RedWingFan wrote:So the entire book is discredited, not by what's in it, but by what's not in it? :lol:


That, and from observing the whiny old bitch make baseless predictions (like the Wright one) on O'Reilly for years now.
There's big money to be made playing the refs, and Goldberg has made a cottage industry out of it.

RedWingFan wrote:Not surprised coming from someone who's so quick to believe Kerry's "botched joke" excuse, which followed 30 some odd years of calling troops horrible names, ie: "reminescent of Ghengis Kahn".
Then turns around and tries to nail Limbaugh on "phony soldiers" after going over documented fake soldiers who claimed to be in Iraq, and decades of donating and raising funds that totals in the millions for our troops (which includes liberal troops)


The common unifier in the above block paragraph is ZERO context. You're intellectually dishonest.

Kerry made that "stuck in Iraq" remark on the heels of an anti-Bush joke in a speech that was loaded with them.
He wasn't testifying before Congress on 'Nam, why would he suddenly turn dour and attack the troops while campaigning for a colleague?
Short of making projections on his subconscious mind, you can't, and have yet to provide an answer.

As for Limbaugh, contrary to what you said, the "documented fake soldiers" weren't mentioned by either of the two callers Rush was speaking to. Nor had the fake soldier story of Jesse Macbeth even been mentioned that broadcast day. The topic at hand was soldiers who talk to the press in general. So again, unless your privy to the inner-goings on of Rushbo's mind, you can't possibly know what he meant.

Most revealing of all, even before the "phony soldiers" remark, when the first caller revealed himself to be an anti-Iraq Republican who served, Rush immediately cracked "yea, and I used to walk on the moon."

Listen to the audio for yourself
http://mediamatters.org/items/200709270010
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Postby RedWingFan » Wed May 14, 2008 9:20 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:Kerry made that remark on the heels of an anti-Bush joke in a speech that was loaded with them.
He wasn't testifying before Congress on 'Nam, why would he suddenly turn dour and attack the troops while campaigning for a colleague?
Short of making projections on his subconscious mind, you can't, and have yet to provide an answer.

It's Kerry that has "yet to provide an answer" and is why the Swift Boaters were so successful against him when he was running for prez. Kerry's spent decades dogging the military. His latest insult fits perfectly. My point is that neither of us know what is in either's mind, we can only judge by their past actions. For whatever reason, Kerry hates the military.
The_Noble_Cause wrote:As for Limbaugh, contrary to what you said, the "documented fake soldiers" weren't mentioned by either of the two callers Rush was speaking to. Nor had the fake soldier story of Jesse Macbeth even been mentioned that broadcast day.

So you think whenever Rush discusses phony soldiers, he has to have it bookmarked from a previous broadcast to denote what he's talking about to pacify Media Matters?
The_Noble_Cause wrote:Most telling of all, even before the "phony soldiers" remark, when the first caller revealed himself to be an anti-Iraq Republican who served, Rush immediately cracked "yea, and I used to walk on the moon."

Listen to the audio for yourself
http://mediamatters.org/items/200709270010

I heard it the first time. Just last week I heard a woman call in who said something to the effect, "I've been listening to you for 20 years and I'm a lifelong Republican. Why do you have to keep talking about Jeremiah Wright? Barack Obama is running, not Jerimiah Wright." :roll:
I also remember years ago a caller towards the end of the broadcast, who said he had served in Iraq and was PRO-war. He gave his rank and platoon # and all that. Rush talked with him for a few minutes and listened to his story. The next day Rush started off his show by stating that they tried to look that soldier up by the info that he'd given and the guy didn't exist, and had to issue an apology for being duped. Anyone can call anywhere and claim anything.
If this is your big case against Limbaugh it's weak.
I'm much more interested on your thought about our brilliant gov't subsidizing farmers to burn food for a global warming problem that doesn't exist, and now may send billions or our dollars in aide to fix a problem they created! And yes I realize Bush went along with the mob. :?
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Wed May 14, 2008 9:59 am

RedWingFan wrote:It's Kerry that has "yet to provide an answer"


No, actually he attempted to put the kibosh on this non-scandal the very night it broke and was played ad nauseam by the compliant “liberal media” – this was a cynical ploy by the GOPers to make political hay on the eve of the 2006 midterm elections.

Hannity and Colmes even played some of Kerry’s explanation, complete with some inventive editing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgWwb5etA_A

It is also worth noting that as recently as last year Kerry accepted a $1 million open challenge by the financier of Swift Boat Veterans for Truth to disprove the charges. Unsurprisingly, upon Kerry accepting the challenge, the offer was quickly rescinded.

http://bigheaddc.com/2007/11/17/kerry-a ... r-reneges/

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My point is that neither of us know what is in either's mind, we can only judge by their past actions. For whatever reason, Kerry hates the military.


Kerry’s comment came smack-dab in the middle of anti-Bush comedic speech.
In fact, his botched one-liner came straight on the heels of another tepid Dubya zinger, “Bush had formerly lived in Texas but now lives in a state of denial."

It makes absolutely no sense for him to do a sudden 180 turn around and start attacking the troops - especially not while giving a speech on a colleague’s behalf in front of college kids.

RedWingFan wrote:
I heard it the first time. Just last week I heard a woman call in who said something to the effect, "I've been listening to you for 20 years and I'm a lifelong Republican. Why do you have to keep talking about Jeremiah Wright? Barack Obama is running, not Jerimiah Wright."
I also remember years ago a caller towards the end of the broadcast, who said he had served in Iraq and was PRO-war. He gave his rank and platoon # and all that. Rush talked with him for a few minutes and listened to his story. The next day Rush started off his show by stating that they tried to look that soldier up by the info that he'd given and the guy didn't exist. Anyone can call anywhere and claim anything.


And for this reason, the service and valor of ANY soldier who holds anti-Iraq views or talks to the media is to be openly demeaned and immediately found suspect?
Ahh ok. Got it. :roll:
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Postby conversationpc » Wed May 14, 2008 10:02 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:And for this reason, the service and valor of ANY soldier who holds anti-Iraq views or talks to the media is to be openly demeaned and immediately found suspect?
Ahh ok. Got it. :roll:


As usual, he said nothing of the sort.
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Wed May 14, 2008 10:04 am

conversationpc wrote:As usual, he said nothing of the sort.


"yea, and I used to walk on the moon."

That's not demeaning someone's service?
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conversationpc wrote:As usual, he said nothing of the sort.


"yea, and I used to walk on the moon."

That's not demeaning someone's service?


Wasn't this about someone who wasn't in the military to begin with? If so, then no, it's not demeaning to someone's service who didn't serve in the first place.
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Wed May 14, 2008 10:12 am

conversationpc wrote:Wasn't this about someone who wasn't in the military to begin with? If so, then no, it's not demeaning to someone's service who didn't serve in the first place.


Dave, this is the fourth or fifth time you've come running to Limbaugh's defense on this subject without ever hearing the comments in question.
Which tells me you are only going on Beck's second-hand regurgitated version of it (funny, why didn't Glenn play the actual audio on his TV or radio show?)

And NO, for the last time, fake soldier Jesse Macbeth was not mentioned yet that broadcast day.
Rush would later used him as a cover upon recieving flack for his "phony soldiers" gaffe.

Listen to the audio and get an informed opinion.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200709270010
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Postby RedWingFan » Wed May 14, 2008 10:14 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:It is also worth noting that as recently as last year Kerry accepted a $1 million open challenge by the financier of Swift Boat Veterans for Truth to disprove the charges. Unsurprisingly, upon Kerry accepting the challenge, the offer was quickly rescinded.

http://bigheaddc.com/2007/11/17/kerry-a ... r-reneges/


He responded to Kerry’s letter by saying he won’t consider giving Kerry the reward unless he provides his combat films, additional military records and wartime journal.


Yeah, he pulled the offer. I'd pull the offer too, sounds like Kerry was gonna submit a note from his mommy! :lol:
They're still trying to get Kerry's military records released after Kerry said he already released them all. He still hasn't signed the consent form to release them. Can't remember the form # offhand.
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Postby RedWingFan » Wed May 14, 2008 10:17 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:And NO, for the last time, fake soldier Jesse Macbeth was not mentioned yet that broadcast day.
Rush would later used him as a cover upon recieving flack for his "phony soldiers" gaffe.

No he didn't mention Jesse "Al Zaid" Macbeth that day, he mentioned him a day or two prior on his morning update. All this = AM HATE RADIO. :roll:
Shame on Rush for not footnoting every word he says. :D
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Wed May 14, 2008 10:21 am

RedWingFan wrote:No he didn't mention Jesse "Al Zaid" Macbeth that day, he mentioned him a day or two prior on his morning update. All this = AM HATE RADIO. :roll:
Shame on Rush for not footnoting every word he says. :D


The soldier on the phone was discussing soldiers who speak to the press in general.
How that suddenly gets micro-reduced down to Jesse Macbeth is beyond me.
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Postby Barb » Wed May 14, 2008 10:34 am

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RedWingFan wrote:No he didn't mention Jesse "Al Zaid" Macbeth that day, he mentioned him a day or two prior on his morning update. All this = AM HATE RADIO. :roll:
Shame on Rush for not footnoting every word he says. :D


The soldier on the phone was discussing soldiers who speak to the press in general.
How that suddenly gets micro-reduced down to Jesse Macbeth is beyond me.


Of course it's beyond you. You don't listen every day and get your information on these people from Media Matters! These hosts probably go on the assumption that they are talking to people who are regular listeners and are following along. It sounds like you expect them to stop and think every time they say something that it should be appropriately prefaced with references from prior broadcasts so that Media Matters and people like you don't flip out.

Media Matters is such a joke. They are in existence to watch conservative media and then expect everyone to be SHOCKED and OUTRAGED when conservative hosts express conserative views or humor.

That would be like someone setting up an organization to monitor every crazy ass word Al Franken says and then being shocked that he's a leftard liberal. :shock: Doesn't this ever get boring for you?
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Postby RedWingFan » Wed May 14, 2008 10:37 am

Barb wrote:
The_Noble_Cause wrote:
RedWingFan wrote:No he didn't mention Jesse "Al Zaid" Macbeth that day, he mentioned him a day or two prior on his morning update. All this = AM HATE RADIO. :roll:
Shame on Rush for not footnoting every word he says. :D


The soldier on the phone was discussing soldiers who speak to the press in general.
How that suddenly gets micro-reduced down to Jesse Macbeth is beyond me.


Of course it's beyond you. You don't listen every day and get your information on these people from Media Matters! These hosts probably go on the assumption that they are talking to people who are regular listeners and are following along.

EXACTLY. I heard the morning update on my podcast the day before so I knew exactly what he was talking about when I heard the "phony soldiers" call.
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Wed May 14, 2008 10:45 am

Barb wrote:Of course it's beyond you. You don't listen every day


I used to listen to Rush everyday. And I did hear this comment live over the air. As soon as I did, I knew Rush would reap hell for it and he has (deservedly so). But not enough.

Barb wrote:These hosts probably go on the assumption that they are talking to people who are regular listeners and are following along. It sounds like you expect them to stop and think every time they say something that it should be appropriately prefaced with references from prior broadcasts so that Media Matters and people like you don't flip out.


You're telling me whenever the words "phony" and "soldiers" are placed and used together, dittoheads the world round automatically recognize it as a byword for Jesse Macbeth? Even if the discussion taking place didn't mention Macbeth? You're strained tortured logic is giving me a hernia.


Barb wrote:Media Matters is such a joke. They are in existence to to watch conservative media and then expect everyone to be SHOCKED and OUTRAGED when conservative hosts express conserative views or humor.


Spitting in the face of a soldier is what passes for "conservative humor" these days, huh?

Barb wrote:That would be like someone setting up an organization to monitor every crazy ass word Al Franken says and then being shocked that he's a leftard liberal. :shock: Doesn't this ever get boring for you?


Umm yeah, that's what right-leaning media watchdog sites do, and I have no problem with that.
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