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Postby Rick » Sat Sep 20, 2008 1:43 pm

The_Noble_Cause wrote:I had enough misgivings with Jeff – who, to his professional credit, apologized for the band’s sins and promised never to fuck the fans.
Even with that, I was still on the fence.
I am always up for new tunes, but my desire to see them live is gone.
Friends who have seen the tour have all said Heart is owning both acts.


While I'm sure you don't consider me a 'friend', that's categorically and completely incorrect.

Heart was every bit as good as they were when I saw them in '81 or '82, whatever the date was. You could estimate about 1/3 of the crowd standing for their performance, as brilliant as it was, to Journey's 9/10. Journey blew the walls out. I'm not kidding, they rocked that shed to its foundation.

Everyone seems to postulate Journey as this soft rock band, and reasonably so, but in concert, they rock up the tunes and it's a show that you have to see to believe.

If you haven't seen it, then you have nothing to say. Period.
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Postby 7 Wishes » Sat Sep 20, 2008 1:51 pm

I have spoken with dozens of people about the show.

Not ONE has said Heart was superior. Almost everyone agreed they were just as good.
But around town, it was well known...when they got home at night
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Postby conversationpc » Sat Sep 20, 2008 1:55 pm

Rick wrote:
The_Noble_Cause wrote:I had enough misgivings with Jeff – who, to his professional credit, apologized for the band’s sins and promised never to fuck the fans.
Even with that, I was still on the fence.
I am always up for new tunes, but my desire to see them live is gone.
Friends who have seen the tour have all said Heart is owning both acts.


While I'm sure you don't consider me a 'friend', that's categorically and completely incorrect.

Heart was every bit as good as they were when I saw them in '81 or '82, whatever the date was. You could estimate about 1/3 of the crowd standing for their performance, as brilliant as it was, to Journey's 9/10. Journey blew the walls out. I'm not kidding, they rocked that shed to its foundation.

Everyone seems to postulate Journey as this soft rock band, and reasonably so, but in concert, they rock up the tunes and it's a show that you have to see to believe.

If you haven't seen it, then you have nothing to say. Period.


For what it's worth, a friend of mine who went to the show and is not a huge fan of either Heart or Journey also thought that Heart was the best of the three bands.
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Sat Sep 20, 2008 2:05 pm

Rick wrote:While I'm sure you don't consider me a 'friend', that's categorically and completely incorrect.

Heart was every bit as good as they were when I saw them in '81 or '82, whatever the date was. You could estimate about 1/3 of the crowd standing for their performance, as brilliant as it was, to Journey's 9/10. Journey blew the walls out. I'm not kidding, they rocked that shed to its foundation.


Any rock god apotheosizing at this point seems a tad premature.
The lineup is brand new, and in the large scope of things, barely relevant.
The people I’ve talked to said concertgoers were leaving during Journey’s set.
I take them at their word.

Rick wrote:Everyone seems to postulate Journey as this soft rock band, and reasonably so, but in concert, they rock up the tunes and it's a show that you have to see to believe.

If you haven't seen it, then you have nothing to say. Period.


You make it out as if this is the band’s first domestic go-round since 1986.
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Postby RocknRoll » Sat Sep 20, 2008 2:16 pm

Well TNC. You'vve been missing out on a really great show from all 3 bands. Seriously, I think the only reason people left early was the traffic, babysitters and parking. Too Many People. In Chicago, people stayed till the end in a monsoon on the lawn. It's been a great concert and you missed out. :( :( :(
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Postby conversationpc » Sat Sep 20, 2008 2:17 pm

The_Noble_Cause wrote:The people I’ve talked to said concertgoers were leaving during Journey’s set.
I take them at their word.


Eh...That doesn't necessarily mean anything. I went to see Journey in 2006 with JSS in tow and left before Def Leppard even took the stage. Doesn't mean DL didn't do a good show.
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Postby Jana » Sat Sep 20, 2008 2:17 pm

All my friends were going for Heart. They liked a lot of their music, even though b/f their time. Thought Journey was an old band, not interested, really didn't know their music, except few hits. They were all completely blown away by Journey. Thought they were amazing. :P :P









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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Sat Sep 20, 2008 2:30 pm

conversationpc wrote:Eh...That doesn't necessarily mean anything. I went to see Journey in 2006 with JSS in tow and left before Def Leppard even took the stage. Doesn't mean DL didn't do a good show.



Taken in conjunction with my friends' dissatisfaction, there is reason to believe others may have felt the same.
If you wish to parse the syntax of my comment feel free to do so.
My friends were not impressed, and found Arnel particularly annoying.
That is all.
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Postby daltonsdad » Sat Sep 20, 2008 4:53 pm

maybe he is just pre negotiating a second year as I am sure they hosed him in year 1 given the fact he saved the band!
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Postby daltonsdad » Sat Sep 20, 2008 4:54 pm

conversationpc wrote:
Rick wrote:
The_Noble_Cause wrote:I had enough misgivings with Jeff – who, to his professional credit, apologized for the band’s sins and promised never to fuck the fans.
Even with that, I was still on the fence.
I am always up for new tunes, but my desire to see them live is gone.
Friends who have seen the tour have all said Heart is owning both acts.


While I'm sure you don't consider me a 'friend', that's categorically and completely incorrect.

Heart was every bit as good as they were when I saw them in '81 or '82, whatever the date was. You could estimate about 1/3 of the crowd standing for their performance, as brilliant as it was, to Journey's 9/10. Journey blew the walls out. I'm not kidding, they rocked that shed to its foundation.

Everyone seems to postulate Journey as this soft rock band, and reasonably so, but in concert, they rock up the tunes and it's a show that you have to see to believe.

If you haven't seen it, then you have nothing to say. Period.


For what it's worth, a friend of mine who went to the show and is not a huge fan of either Heart or Journey also thought that Heart was the best of the three bands.


I am a journey fan and I agree, Heart was better.
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Postby mdaemon » Sat Sep 20, 2008 7:08 pm

Arnel won't give up this job. Poor people from 3rd world countries such as myself and Arnel are only given one (if any) chance in a lifetime to succeed. When that happens, we cling to it like an 18 year old virgin falling in love and marrying a toothless 58 year old ex-prostitute who gave him his first blow job :lol:

On the subject of bringing Arnel's family to America, I don't think it is possible as I am sure his kid goes to school and wouldn't be allowed to take a long vacation. Hopefully, when Arnel's immigration status is more permanent, he can bring at least his kids to America with him. I am not sure about his girlfriend though as he is still technically married to another woman. As we are more catholic than the Pope himself, we are one of the only two countries in the world that do not have divorce laws. Because of this, there is very little chance of Arnel being able to marry his girlfriend to make migrating to the states in the future a little less complicated.
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Postby Jana » Sun Sep 21, 2008 12:03 am

mdaemon stated: "Arnel won't give up this job. Poor people from 3rd world countries such as myself and Arnel are only given one (if any) chance in a lifetime to succeed. When that happens, we cling to it like an 18 year old virgin falling in love and marrying a toothless 58 year old ex-prostitute who gave him his first blow job :lol:

On the subject of bringing Arnel's family to America, I don't think it is possible as I am sure his kid goes to school and wouldn't be allowed to take a long vacation. Hopefully, when Arnel's immigration status is more permanent, he can bring at least his kids to America with him. I am not sure about his girlfriend though as he is still technically married to another woman. As we are more catholic than the Pope himself, we are one of the only two countries in the world that do not have divorce laws. Because of this, there is very little chance of Arnel being able to marry his girlfriend to make migrating to the states in the future a little less complicated."


mdaemon, I agree with you, Arnel is not going to give up this job. He struggled until 40 to make it and probably had little money. And I believe he's probably loyal to a fault and knows how much of a chance these guys gave him. He's not going to let them down. Arnel's child is only three, so not in school. Although, his girlfriend has two little girls, so I agree with the school thing. But I always understood in interviews about him that he had been married. I always assumed he was divorced and just didn't want to remarry and lived with Cherry. So in the Philippines divorce is never allowed?




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Postby donnaplease » Sun Sep 21, 2008 12:22 am

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mdaemon, I agree with you, Arnel is not going to give up this job. He struggled until 40 to make it and probably had little money. And I believe he's probably loyal to a fault and knows how much of a chance these guys gave him. He's not going to let them down. Arnel's child is only three, so not in school. Although, his girlfriend has two little girls, so I agree with the school thing. But I always understood in interviews about him that he had been married. I always assumed he was divorced and just didn't want to remarry and lived with Cherry. So in the Philippines divorce is never allowed?

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So divorce isn't allowed, but adultery is? Dang. :?

Just a question here, but with all the political talk now, I'm wondering. Does the Phillipines have a 'welfare' program? Would a single mother (or father) be granted welfare monies similar to the US? I understand the Phillipines is a relatively poor country, so how do they 'take care of their own'?

As for Arnel and this story, wow. It reminds me of the part in RockStar when "Chrizzy" brought that kid up on stage to sing with him, then essentially walked out on the band. He was much happier singing in a small bar than being a 'rock star'. Sad. :(
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Postby mdaemon » Sun Sep 21, 2008 12:47 am

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So divorce isn't allowed, but adultery is? Dang. :?


There are laws in the Philippines prohibiting and punishing adultery. What I just found out is that only married women can be sued for adultery there. A married man may be sued for a lesser crime of concubinage.

donnaplease wrote:Just a question here, but with all the political talk now, I'm wondering. Does the Phillipines have a 'welfare' program? Would a single mother (or father) be granted welfare monies similar to the US? I understand the Phillipines is a relatively poor country, so how do they 'take care of their own'?


In the PI, you're on your own as the government wouldn't be able to support you if you lose your job. However, Filipinos look after their own so it is not uncommon to seek and be granted assistance by well-off extended family members. This was what Arnel meant when he said in the RS interview that he works for his family. When he said "family", it would most definitely include his father, siblings, even aunts, uncles, and cousins. I know a Pinoy here in the UK who is paying for her brother-in-law's university education in the PI. The economy of the Philippines is hugely dependent on the remittances of OFWs (Overseas Filipino Workers) that at one point several years ago, the OFWs total remittance were higher than direct foreign investments. We also value friendship so when you need help, you can almost always ask a friend for help and chances are, he wouldn't say no.

donnaplease wrote:As for Arnel and this story, wow. It reminds me of the part in RockStar when "Chrizzy" brought that kid up on stage to sing with him, then essentially walked out on the band. He was much happier singing in a small bar than being a 'rock star'. Sad. :(


While Arnel misses the intimacy of the small bars, I don't think he is not happy with his current job with Journey. He is very thankful of this once in a lifetime opportunity that he goes out there night after night giving everything he's got and always striving to get it right. I don't think he will mess up this gig. He said it himself, he will only leave Journey if he is no longer physically able to do it.
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Postby wildcat75 » Sun Sep 21, 2008 2:58 am

Jana wrote:mdaemon stated: "Arnel won't give up this job. Poor people from 3rd world countries such as myself and Arnel are only given one (if any) chance in a lifetime to succeed. When that happens, we cling to it like an 18 year old virgin falling in love and marrying a toothless 58 year old ex-prostitute who gave him his first blow job :lol:

On the subject of bringing Arnel's family to America, I don't think it is possible as I am sure his kid goes to school and wouldn't be allowed to take a long vacation. Hopefully, when Arnel's immigration status is more permanent, he can bring at least his kids to America with him. I am not sure about his girlfriend though as he is still technically married to another woman. As we are more catholic than the Pope himself, we are one of the only two countries in the world that do not have divorce laws. Because of this, there is very little chance of Arnel being able to marry his girlfriend to make migrating to the states in the future a little less complicated."


mdaemon, I agree with you, Arnel is not going to give up this job. He struggled until 40 to make it and probably had little money. And I believe he's probably loyal to a fault and knows how much of a chance these guys gave him. He's not going to let them down. Arnel's child is only three, so not in school. Although, his girlfriend has two little girls, so I agree with the school thing. But I always understood in interviews about him that he had been married. I always assumed he was divorced and just didn't want to remarry and lived with Cherry. So in the Philippines divorce is never allowed?

Jana, unfortunately, there's no " DIVORCE LAW" in the Philippines bcoz we are the only biggest Catholic country in ASIA that had almost 90 % catholic populations and once you get married, and your marriage didn't work out for you and your husband and decided to separate, you cannot married twice unless there's is a valid reason or ground to annul your marriage such infidelityy, incapacity to perform your duty as a wife or as a husband, marital rape, physical abused by both parties, or when your husband or wife died, that's the only time for you to get married again , but if you only separated, then you cannot get married again. In Arnel's case, his ex wife left him for another man when they're still living here in HK and then he meet Cherry and they're just lived together coz although Arnel can file a case against his ex- wife for infidelity reason o adultery, you need a lot of money to support your case and it will take years probably 1-3 yrs or more before the court allowed to declare your marriage to be null or void. As far as i know only those rich people in the Philippines can afford to file a case in court but for the people who depended only on a meager wages. it's very difficult for them to bring their case to the court. But now that Arnel earned enough money and if he still want to annulled his marriage so that he can marry Cherry, he can do it now, but another question here is i don't know anything about Cherry as i have just learn that she has also 2 daughters, i don't know if she's married or not, if she's married, it's another problem again, so you see, arnel face enough problem here, thst's why when asked if he can relocate his family to the US and he said "NO", i already know the reason why . there's a lot of technicalities and legalities to consider before the US immigration in the phillipines give them US visa/.


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Postby strangegrey » Sun Sep 21, 2008 3:12 am

Jana wrote:No duel for me. I did my part protecting Arnel's honor by that statement. I will now finish a glass of wine, take a sleeping pill, walk the dog and call it a day. I'm too tired to defend his honor anymore today. Peace. :roll:


Yep, go ahead and mix alcohol with sleeping aids. Smart! :roll:
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Postby journeyinto2001 » Sun Sep 21, 2008 3:26 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
conversationpc wrote:Eh...That doesn't necessarily mean anything. I went to see Journey in 2006 with JSS in tow and left before Def Leppard even took the stage. Doesn't mean DL didn't do a good show.



Taken in conjunction with my friends' dissatisfaction, there is reason to believe others may have felt the same.
If you wish to parse the syntax of my comment feel free to do so.
My friends were not impressed, and found Arnel particularly annoying.
That is all.


TRUST ME, this is JUST THE SAME OLE SHIT from Noble Cause......extremely negative, talking out of his ass and truly not a fan of Journey.....
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Postby Don » Sun Sep 21, 2008 3:37 am

Jana wrote:mdaemon stated: "Arnel won't give up this job. Poor people from 3rd world countries such as myself and Arnel are only given one (if any) chance in a lifetime to succeed. When that happens, we cling to it like an 18 year old virgin falling in love and marrying a toothless 58 year old ex-prostitute who gave him his first blow job :lol:

On the subject of bringing Arnel's family to America, I don't think it is possible as I am sure his kid goes to school and wouldn't be allowed to take a long vacation. Hopefully, when Arnel's immigration status is more permanent, he can bring at least his kids to America with him. I am not sure about his girlfriend though as he is still technically married to another woman. As we are more catholic than the Pope himself, we are one of the only two countries in the world that do not have divorce laws. Because of this, there is very little chance of Arnel being able to marry his girlfriend to make migrating to the states in the future a little less complicated."


mdaemon, I agree with you, Arnel is not going to give up this job. He struggled until 40 to make it and probably had little money. And I believe he's probably loyal to a fault and knows how much of a chance these guys gave him. He's not going to let them down. Arnel's child is only three, so not in school. Although, his girlfriend has two little girls, so I agree with the school thing. But I always understood in interviews about him that he had been married. I always assumed he was divorced and just didn't want to remarry and lived with Cherry. So in the Philippines divorce is never allowed?




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Arnel can file for Divorce here, his spouse probably won't make it here to contest it and it will be granted. He would be able to remarry here but it wouldn't be recognised in the R.P. Since he is touring it would be difficult to show a stable home environment to raise his kids so I think it would be difficult to bring them to the states. But really, how many Filipinos work 1 to 2 years in terrible work conditions in the far east and don't get to see their family for 24 months or so? Arnel just needs to suck it up, which I am sure he is doing.
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Sun Sep 21, 2008 4:19 am

journeyinto2001 wrote:TRUST ME, this is JUST THE SAME OLE SHIT from Noble Cause......extremely negative, talking out of his ass and truly not a fan of Journey.....


Coming from this forum’s chief Tapegate denialist - a lose-lose predicament that all but signed the band’s death certificate, if not guaranteeing an Ashley Simpson-like future meltdown - that is rich indeed. Whether it dawns on you as you forestall mortgage payments on cheap junk at the swag kiosk, it is precisely because of me that you still have a band to brainlessly worship.

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Postby scarygirl » Sun Sep 21, 2008 4:59 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
EightyRock wrote:They don't have that much invested in Arnel, really. He sang on the new CD that he didn't participate in writing, so there is no established writing partnership to lose. If they are going to cut him loose, the end of this tour would be the time....not later.


Whether you agree with it or not (i don't), the conventional media spin is that Arnel has breathed new life into their sails.
Arnel has become the accepted new face of Journey (with mass appeal) in a way Augeri never did.
I don't think the band will give up on him so easily.


I saw Arnel in Charlotte and was won over. The kid has got it. Neal needs to get his head out of ass and cut him some slack. They and the fans can't afford to lose him.
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Postby EightyRock » Sun Sep 21, 2008 5:03 am

Arnel isn't "a kid".
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Postby scarygirl » Sun Sep 21, 2008 5:08 am

conversationpc wrote:Not allowing the family to come along on tour just makes it seem like someone is trying to hide something, almost like the fewer witnesses, the better.


Well, I can see them not wanting the family along for the tour twenty-four seven, but a couple of carefully planned visits shouldn't be a big deal.
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Postby scarygirl » Sun Sep 21, 2008 5:14 am

EightyRock wrote:Arnel isn't "a kid".


I know that. :roll:
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Postby Enigma869 » Sun Sep 21, 2008 5:15 am

EightyRock wrote:Arnel isn't "a kid".



Compared to all the other old fucks in the band, he certainly is! I think Arnel and Deen are the only two in the band who can't get the John McCain discount, when shopping at the mall :shock:


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Postby scarygirl » Sun Sep 21, 2008 5:18 am

They lost Perry and Augeri because they blew out their voices


SJ they blew out their voices because they were pushed to the brink by Neal's need to be on stage 24/7.
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Postby scarygirl » Sun Sep 21, 2008 5:19 am

Enigma869 wrote:
EightyRock wrote:Arnel isn't "a kid".



Compared to all the other old fucks in the band, he certainly is! I think Arnel and Deen are the only two in the band who can't get the John McCain discount, when shopping at the mall :shock:


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Postby 7 Wishes » Sun Sep 21, 2008 12:16 pm

scarygirl wrote:I saw Arnel in Charlotte and was won over. The kid has got it. Neal needs to get his head out of ass and cut him some slack. They and the fans can't afford to lose him.


Right on, rocker.

The guy is amazing. And I was very much on the other side of the fence until the record came out.

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Postby conversationpc » Sun Sep 21, 2008 12:19 pm

7 Wishes wrote:That's right, Gen X! They're called RECORDS because they are RECORDINGS!

You don't RECORD a CD, you record an album.


I don't get why some people seem to think that "album" is not an appropriate word for it. All album means is "collection of". In this case, it's a collection of songs. A CD is simply the medium that the album is recorded on.
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Postby Tito » Sun Sep 21, 2008 4:36 pm

Neal is a good father.
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Postby mdaemon » Sun Sep 21, 2008 5:10 pm

Tito wrote:Neal is a good father.


...are you his long lost son?

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