Barak: President of 59 States!

[conversationpc]

Wasn't this about someone who wasn't in the military to begin with? If so, then no, it's not demeaning to someone's service who didn't serve in the first place.

Dave, this is the fourth or fifth time you've come running to Limbaugh's defense on this subject without ever hearing the comments in question.
Which tells me you are only going on Beck's second-hand regurgitated version of it (funny, why didn't Glenn play the actual audio on his TV or radio show?)

And NO, for the last time, fake soldier Jesse Macbeth was not mentioned yet that broadcast day.
Rush would later used him as a cover upon recieving flack for his "phony soldiers" gaffe.

Listen to the audio and get an informed opinion.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200709270010

Ummm...I've heard the audio but thanks.

How about this...If you'll agree that Rush's comments were not meant to paint the military in general, then I'll agree that Kerry's also weren't meant to be taken that way.

[RedWingFan]

How about this...If you'll agree that Rush's comments were not meant to paint the military in general, then I'll agree that Kerry's also weren't meant to be taken that way.

You have to be specific which Kerry troop comments you mean. There are so many to choose from.

[The_Noble_Cause]

How about this...If you'll agree that Rush's comments were not meant to paint the military in general, then I'll agree that Kerry's also weren't meant to be taken that way.

I never said it was mean to "paint the military in general."
And again, anyone who actually gave this a fair listen would know who the subject was.

The topic being discussed by the caller is soldiers who talk to the media.
To which Rush exclaims "the phoney soldiers."

Jesse Macbeth is not emblematic of all those in uniform who talk to the press.

Any way you objectively come at this it is a slam.


http://mediamatters.org/items/200709270010

[conversationpc]

I never said it was mean to "paint the military in general."
And again, anyone who actually gave this a fair listen would know who the subject was.

I could say the same thing about the Beck vs. Rip 'n' Read Olbermann/Media Matters, Obama as Antichrist baloney.

[conversationpc]

How about this...If you'll agree that Rush's comments were not meant to paint the military in general, then I'll agree that Kerry's also weren't meant to be taken that way.

You have to be specific which Kerry troop comments you mean. There are so many to choose from.

Dang! {snapping fingers}

Forgot about that.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I could say the same thing about the Beck vs. Rip 'n' Read Olbermann/Media Matters, Obama as Antichrist baloney.

Huh?
If you're arguing for the umpteenth time that Beck was making a joke, you are tilting at windmills.
In case you haven't realized it, everything Beck has gotten in trouble for, including the wildfire quip, was done in jest.
Everybody knows this.

That has no relation to the "phony soldiers" comments whatsover.

An honest conservative would listen to the clip and disown it immediately.

[conversationpc]

Huh?
If you're arguing for the umpteenth time that Beck was making a joke, you are tilting at windmills.
In case you haven't realized it, everything Beck has gotten in trouble for, including the wildfire quip, was done in jest.
Everybody knows this.

That has no relation to the "phony soldiers" comments whatsover.

An honest conservative would listen to the clip and disown it immediately.

No one here said the wildfire comment was said in jest. Barb has said she was angered by it and so was I. It was a dumb thing to say. Glenn also apologized for it and since you seem to give Olbermann some points for admitting when he was wrong then it should behoove you to extend some modicum of forgiveness towards Beck.

You can claim all you want that Media Matters provided the entire context behind this non-issue about Obama as Antichrist but they OBVIOUSLY didn't provide the whole story. You keep saying they did but it's also clear that you don't really believe that because backtracking by using that line about Beck always using the aw-shucks attitude when he's really being serious just to garner favor from the right-wing religious kooks. Give me a break. You're like the freakin' Black Knight for crying out loud. "The Black Knight ALWAYS triumphs!!!"

[The_Noble_Cause]

No one here said the wildfire comment was said in jest.

I did, but if you think it wasn’t, and still continue to support someone you think revels in arson deaths, that says a whole lot about you.

You can claim all you want that Media Matters provided the entire context behind this non-issue about Obama as Antichrist but they OBVIOUSLY didn't provide the whole story…

Why don’t you click the link and find out for yourself?

…but it's also clear that you don't really believe that because backtracking by using that line about Beck always using the aw-shucks attitude when he's really being serious just to garner favor from the right-wing religious kooks. Give me a break. You're like the freakin' Black Knight for crying out loud. "The Black Knight ALWAYS triumphs!!!"

I don’t think any of these mini-McCarthys believe what they say. I think it is an act, and I think that’s borne out largely by how some have led their private lives.
But I fail to see the connection between what I personally believe, and MediaMatters providing full audio and video.

[conversationpc]

I did, but if you think it wasn’t, and still continue to support someone you think revels in arson deaths, that says a whole lot about you.

With all due respect, kiss my ass. If I remember correctly and correct me if I'm wrong, he wasn't commenting about deaths. It was about houses burning down. I've already said that I disagreed with the statement.

You can claim all you want that Media Matters provided the entire context behind this non-issue about Obama as Antichrist but they OBVIOUSLY didn't provide the whole story…

Why don’t you click the link and find out for yourself?

I've seen the video in full AND the audio in full and am fully aware of the entire context of the video and audio. Media Matters isn't. Correction. Media Matters IS aware of it but aren't telling the full truth. The fact that Beck predicted what MM & Rip 'n' Read would do well beforehand is still pretty funny. Boy, talk about conservatives being predictable.

[The_Noble_Cause]

With all due respect, kiss my ass. If I remember correctly and correct me if I'm wrong, he wasn't commenting about deaths. It was about houses burning down. I've already said that I disagreed with the statement.

You're the guy who thinks Beck's wildfire comment wasn't made in jest.
I'm at least giving Beck the benefit of doubt.
If he's not being farcical, I can only assume you think he was serious.

I've seen the video in full AND the audio in full and am fully aware of the entire context of the video and audio. Media Matters isn't. Correction. Media Matters IS aware of it but aren't telling the full truth. The fact that Beck predicted what MM & Rip 'n' Read would do well beforehand is still pretty funny.

And aside from MM posting full audio and video what did they do exactly?

Both Keith and MM took Beck to task for saying something offensive - no matter that it was done under the guise of comedy.
Just like the wildfire comment and countless others.

[conversationpc]

With all due respect, kiss my ass. If I remember correctly and correct me if I'm wrong, he wasn't commenting about deaths. It was about houses burning down. I've already said that I disagreed with the statement.

You're the guy who thinks Beck's wildfire comment wasn't made in jest.
I'm at least giving Beck the benefit of doubt.
If he's not being farcical, I can only assume you think he was serious.

Let me explain further. Was he joking? No, I don't think so. Did he seriously believe that he was happy about people's houses burning down? No, I don't think that, either. He was doing what just about every one of us does at one time or another, which is saying something completely opinionated and off the wall. Like it or not, there are a good amount of people who looked at those people's houses burning down and might have had a fleeting thought something along the lines of "Good. Those rich snobs are getting a taste of what the rest of us are going through on a regular basis." Most of us don't turn those kinds of fleeting thoughts into something real that we dwell on and turn into actual hate. EVERYONE has those kinds of thoughts and occasionally let them slip out of our mouths but that doesn't mean that we actually believe them or are defined by them. That's where having a brain and being able to formulate actual ideas and philosophies comes in. We discard the garbage and keep the rest.

And aside from MM posting full audio and video what did they do exactly?

Both Keith and MM took Beck to task for saying something offensive - no matter that it was done under the guise of comedy.
Just like the wildfire comment and countless others.

Do you have a short memory or are you being intentionally ignorant? They didn't bother to mention that it was supposed to be taken as a joke. Beck was actually making fun of religious kooks by doing that, something that I would think you would be all in favor of as a true liberal.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Let me explain further. Was he joking? No, I don't think so. Was he seriously saying he was happy about people's houses burning down? No, I don't think that, either. He was doing what just about every one of us does at one time or another, which is saying something completely opinionated and off the wall. Like it or not, there are a good amount of people who looked at those people's houses burning down and might have had a fleeting thought something along the lines of "Good. Those rich snobs are getting a taste of what the rest of us are going through on a regular basis."

Ok, well I just listened to it again, and if he wasn’t going for a cheap laugh, it makes the comments all the more loathsome. If he was speaking from some perverse dark place of gallows humor, I might be able to understand (“sick twisted freak” and all that, y’know?), but I can’t imagine any levelheaded human being ever saying something like that seriously - especially not as the fires still rage.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200710220003

Most of us don't turn those kinds of fleeting thoughts into something real that we dwell on and turn into actual hate. EVERYONE has those kinds of thoughts and occasionally let them slip out of our mouths but that doesn't mean that we actually believe them or are defined by them. That's where having a brain and being able to formulate actual ideas and philosophies comes in. We discard the garbage and keep the rest.

That’s certainly a sensible, nuanced view of things. Especially when you factor how many hours these guys talk extemporaneously on the radio. It’s a case I’ve made for Imus, and even for Limbaugh’s “phony soldiers” crack. Unfortunately, noone wants to cede so much as an inch when it comes to El Rushbo’s oratorical fallibility. It’s all see no evil, hear no evil all the time.

Do you have a short memory or are you being intentionally ignorant? They didn't bother to mention that it was supposed to be taken as a joke. Beck was actually making fun of religious kooks by doing that, something that I would think you would be all in favor of as a true liberal.

Did the FCC specify that Stern was only joking as they went about fining him out of the terrestrial radio business? The comedic intent doesn’t matter.

The insinuation here is inappropriate, especially when you consider that Obama-as-the-Antichrist meme is actually gathering legitimacy in many right-of-center circles.

I also think you are being somewhat naive. Beck, openly admits that he was receiving emails on this subject. He plays down the question in typical deprecating style, but I have no doubt that in the same breath he was also appeasing many of his more religious listeners.
Didn’t I hear Beck own up to believing in the end of times or Armageddon or something last week?

[conversationpc]

If he was speaking from some perverse dark place of gallows humor, I might be able to understand (“sick twisted freak” and all that, y’know?)

That could very well be. Just the other day during a commercial break on his radio show, Glenn asked his staff who had the darkest sense of humor. They all immediately agreed that it was him, hands down.

That’s certainly a sensible, nuanced view of things. Especially when you factor how many hours these guys talk extemporaneously on the radio. It’s a case I’ve made for Imus, and even for Limbaugh’s “phony soldiers” crack. Unfortunately, noone wants to cede so much as an inch when it comes to El Rushbo’s oratorical fallibility. It’s all see no evil, hear no evil all the time.

I don't know anything about Imus except that whenever I've heard his show, it's been really boring. Same for Rush. Can't stand his pompous attitude, either.

The insinuation here is inappropriate, especially when you consider that Obama-as-the-Antichrist is actually gathering legitimacy in many right-of-center circles.

I also think you are being somewhat naive. Beck, openly admits that he was receiving emails on this subject. He plays down the question in typical deprecating style, but I have no doubt that in the same breath he was also appeasing many of his more religious listeners.
Didn’t I hear Beck own up to believing in the end of times or Armageddon or something last week?

There's nothing naive about it. Glenn makes fun of those people who say this person or that person are the Antichrist.

Yes, Glenn believes in the end times scenario that the Bible describes but most who do, and I would include him in this, believe that the Bible indicates the Antichrist will rise out of the revived Roman empire (basically today's European Union). In his mind and those who believe likewise, that would completely rule out anyone from the West, so saying that some politician here may be the Antichrist is plainly nothing but a joke. I mean, come on...This rumor has gone around for everyone from Reagan to Clinton and now to Obama. The only people who really believe it are fringe nutjobs who have no real understanding of what the Bible teaches and religious opportunists who want to sell a few books.

[The_Noble_Cause]

The only people who really believe it are fringe nutjobs who have no real understanding of what the Bible teaches and religious opportunists who want to sell a few books.

Ahh, precisely the core audience of Rev. Hagee and the the Left Behind authors - both of which Beck has had on his program repeatedly.
So again, I submit that the motive for asking the antichrist question was twofold.
Comedy to the indiscriminate eye, but also audience demand.

[conversationpc]

The only people who really believe it are fringe nutjobs who have no real understanding of what the Bible teaches and religious opportunists who want to sell a few books.

Ahh, precisely the core audience of Rev. Hagee and the the Left Behind authors - both of which Beck has had on his program repeatedly.
So again, I submit that the motive for asking the antichrist question was twofold.
Comedy to the indiscriminate eye, but also audience demand.

Sorry. No way. Hagee got the joke also. I'm sure the audience you speak of weren't too happy with the jesting in that case.

Glenn also refers to himself occasionally as the mentally challenged younger son of Satan (or something like that), a moniker bestowed upon him by Stephen King. He certainly isn't serious about that, either, and is done in the same comedic sense that the antichrist comment was.

[Barb]

The only people who really believe it are fringe nutjobs who have no real understanding of what the Bible teaches and religious opportunists who want to sell a few books.

Ahh, precisely the core audience of Rev. Hagee and the the Left Behind authors - both of which Beck has had on his program repeatedly.
So again, I submit that the motive for asking the antichrist question was twofold.
Comedy to the indiscriminate eye, but also audience demand.

Sorry. No way. Hagee got the joke also. I'm sure the audience you speak of weren't too happy with the jesting in that case.

Glenn also refers to himself occasionally as the mentally challenged younger son of Satan (or something like that), a moniker bestowed upon him by Stephen King. He certainly isn't serious about that, either, and is done in the same comedic sense that the antichrist comment was.

Dave, I'm about to request an intervention for you. This is a losing battle. Save your sanity!

[The_Noble_Cause]

Glenn also refers to himself occasionally as the mentally challenged younger son of Satan (or something like that), a moniker bestowed upon him by Stephen King. He certainly isn't serious about that, either, and is done in the same comedic sense that the antichrist comment was.

There is a faction on the right that emphatically believes Obama is the antichrist. That is a fact. I have met them in my day-to-day life, and a 2-second google search will yield you plenty of results.
The Stephen King nickname is a stupid joke, and naturally, can only be interpreted as such.

Glenn has courted a loyal religious audience with his touring holiday show, as well as guests like Hagee and the Left Behind guys.
While I don't have any demographics in front of me, I would wager that his Obama question was posed in part to keep them at bay.

That is just my opinion.

[Barb]

Glenn also refers to himself occasionally as the mentally challenged younger son of Satan (or something like that), a moniker bestowed upon him by Stephen King. He certainly isn't serious about that, either, and is done in the same comedic sense that the antichrist comment was.

There is a faction on the right that emphatically believes Obama is the antichrist. That is a fact. I have met them in my day-to-day life, and a 2-second google search will yield you plenty of results.
The Stephen King nickname is a stupid joke, and naturally, can only be interpreted as such.

Glenn has courted a loyal religious audience with his touring holiday show, as well as guests like Hagee and the Left Behind guys.
While I don't have any demographics in front of me, I would wager that his Obama question was posed in part to keep them at bay.

That is just my opinion.

TNC, sometimes I think Glenn says dumb things just to watch Media Matters and Keith Olbermann go nuts. If I were one of these people they monitor, I wouldn't be able to help myself. It's truly an amazing thing to watch.

As for this particular comment, I really think you are reading way too much into his intent. Glenn is harmless. No one watches his TV show anyway.

[Liquid_Drummer]

This economy is doing just fine. Those that want to work and do well are doing just that.

Your dead wrong there man....

My brother lives about 45 miles away from his job because he lives in the country. He has a great piece of land, good job etc.... He is spending so much money on gas now that he has had to make sacrifices like buying cheaper quality food, less trips to the city to see family and is thinking of selling his truck (which in the country you need one to haul yard debris when you own 4 acres.) to get a cheap 4 banger... Doing fine if you mean eating and getting by. Add paying for college which went up as well and I think my point is made...

Sacrifices are having to be made in the way people live. Some like my bro worked hard so he could have nice things and now he cant justify taking trips to the lake to fish as much as he would like. He works hard for that and has to give in....

We work just as hard and get less for it in the end.... If it keeps going this way the people that work at the Local Ford plant will not have cars. Like the kids in indoneisia (fuck the spelling I dont care) making Nike shoes for pennies a day and they dont even have their own shoes !!!! WTF !

[classicstyxfan]

59 states....what a BOZO ! sheeeeesh !

on another topic, what is the difference between the Suni's and the Shiites ?? Listening to McCain
a few week back has got me all confused ! Maybe I'll contact Lieberman.......he seems to know.

[conversationpc]

Dave, this is the fourth or fifth time you've come running to Limbaugh's defense on this subject without ever hearing the comments in question.
Which tells me you are only going on Beck's second-hand regurgitated version of it (funny, why didn't Glenn play the actual audio on his TV or radio show?)

And NO, for the last time, fake soldier Jesse Macbeth was not mentioned yet that broadcast day.
Rush would later used him as a cover upon recieving flack for his "phony soldiers" gaffe.

Listen to the audio and get an informed opinion.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200709270010

I know I already responded to this before but...

Kiss my ass. I haven't heard Beck's "regurgitated" version of it.

...and, yes, I have heard the entire context of the comments, so how about keeping your piehole shut when you obviously know nothing about what I have or haven't done. It has been long enough that I don't remember what was said, so please forgive me for not feeling the need to archive every little article, thread, link, etc., that I run across so I can be what you leftists so affectionately refer to as a "cut & paster".

[Voyager]

There is a faction on the right that emphatically believes Obama is the antichrist.

Sorry - Bush already got the job.

[conversationpc]

Hey, TNC...Beck is on the radio right now joking about people who believe in aliens. But perhaps he is actually really serious about that, too, but is just pretending to joke because, in actuality, he just wants to pander to those on the right who really believe in them.

Just trying to save you the time from having to find this on Media Matters or Rip N Read Olbermann.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Hey, TNC...Beck is on the radio right now joking about people who believe in aliens. But perhaps he is actually really serious about that, too, but is just pretending to joke because, in actuality, he just wants to pander to those on the right who really believe in them.

When you consider that Beck's show is syndicated across the country in programming blocks that also include the paranormal-themed Coast-to-Coast, that is highly probable.
Hannity's America has likewise been courting the tinfoil hat crowd, with regular features on things like the shroud of turin.
Beck is even sometimes a call-in guest to Coast-to-Coast.

That said, serious or not, the Obama-as-antichrist inquiry was beyond the pale.

Just trying to save you the time from having to find this on Media Matters or Rip N Read Olbermann.

Media Matters includes full audio and video, a fact that Beck has yet to disclose to his audience.
Let the people watch, listen, and decide.

[conversationpc]

Hey, TNC...Beck is on the radio right now joking about people who believe in aliens. But perhaps he is actually really serious about that, too, but is just pretending to joke because, in actuality, he just wants to pander to those on the right who really believe in them.

When you consider that Beck's show is syndicated across the country in programming blocks that also include the paranormal-themed Coast-to-Coast, that is highly probable.
Hannity's America has likewise been courting the tinfoil hat crowd, with regular features on things like the shroud of turin.
Beck is even sometimes a call-in guest to Coast-to-Coast.

That said, serious or not, the Obama-as-antichrist inquiry was beyond the pale.

Just trying to save you the time from having to find this on Media Matters or Rip N Read Olbermann.

Media Matters includes full audio and video, a fact that Beck has yet to disclose to his audience.
Let the people watch, listen, and decide.

Your previous prodigious use of terms such as "mouth breather" and "potato-eating simpleton" seem to aptly apply to YOU at this point. Congratulations on achieving a seat at the head of the class.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Your previous prodigious use of terms such as "mouth breather" and "potato-eating simpleton" seem to aptly apply to YOU at this point. Congratulations on achieving a seat at the head of the class.

There's a reason why the AM radio meat puppets circled the wagons in an attempt to shield Rush from his "phony soldiers" comments.
And no, their ire didn't stem solely from the fact that it was a fellow traveler taking fire from the "liberal media."
Rush is the daytime radio lynchpin for conservative stations across the country.
Most stations' programming blocks have him sanwiched in the middle, with Beck, Hannity, or some other garden variety neo-fascist serving as bookends.
If you take Rush out, all the dominos fall.

This mutually-reciprocal relationship expresses itself in more ways than one; the aforementioned Coast-to-Coast case being a textbook example.
Sorry you don't understand the game.

[conversationpc]

There's a reason why the AM radio meat puppets circled the wagons in an attempt to shield Rush from his "phony soldiers" comments.
And no, their ire didn't stem solely from the fact that it was a fellow traveler taking fire from the "liberal media."
Rush is the daytime radio lynchpin for conservative stations across the country.
Most stations' programming blocks have him sanwiched in the middle, with Beck, Hannity, or some other garden variety neo-fascist serving as bookends.
If you take Rush out, all the dominos fall.

This mutually-reciprocal relationship expresses itself in more ways than one; the aforementioned Coast-to-Coast case being a textbook example.
Sorry you don't understand the game.

Oh, I understand the game alright. The game is for those such as yourself to lie about, discredit, and otherwise destroy conservatives with whom you don't agree, hence explaining the entire existence of smear sites/programs like Media Matters and RNR Olbermann.

BTW, are you a 9/11 Truther?

[The_Noble_Cause]

Oh, I understand the game alright. The game is for those such as yourself to lie about, discredit, and otherwise destroy conservatives with whom you don't agree, hence explaining the entire existence of smear sites/programs like Media Matters and RNR Olbermann

Media Matters provides full audio and video, a fact which Beck conveniently omits, and one that which you clearly refuse to come to terms with.
Of course, in doing so, you both advance the idea that conservatives are unfairly victimized - which is crucial to the viscosity of the movement. Despite the country being under Republican rule for a good portion of the past decade, there must always be somebody, somewhere, at all times that poses a threat to your traditonal values. Without this perrenial boogeyman role to bounce off of (gays, blacks, George Soros, mexicans, what have you), your party ceases to exist.

As the country reels from eight years of disastrous Republican policy prescriptions, there is no market value to the ideas of the erstwhile "party of ideas."
Luckily for McCain and his coalition of racists and homophobes, there is still political ground to be gained by capitalizing on the fears of the American people.

Don't look now! There's a Muslim on your back. Boo!

[conversationpc]

Oh, I understand the game alright. The game is for those such as yourself to lie about, discredit, and otherwise destroy conservatives with whom you don't agree, hence explaining the entire existence of smear sites/programs like Media Matters and RNR Olbermann

Media Matters provides full audio and video, a fact which Beck conveniently omits, and one that which you clearly refuse to come to terms with.
Of course, in doing so, you both advance the idea that conservatives are unfairly victimized - which is crucial to the viscosity of the movement. Despite the country being under Republican rule for a good portion of the past decade, there must always be somebody, somewhere, at all times that poses a threat to your traditonal values. Without this perrenial boogeyman role to bounce off of (gays, blacks, George Soros, mexicans, what have you), your party ceases to exist.

As the country reels from eight years of disastrous Republican policy prescriptions, there is no market value to the ideas of the erstwhile "party of ideas."
Luckily for McCain and his coalition of racists and homophobes, there is still political ground to be gained by capitalizing on the fears of the American people.

Don't look now! There's a Muslim on your back. Boo!

Ah, the typical diversionary tactics of this country's leftists, i.e. accusations of racism and being homophobic. You guys are really in love with that good ol' racism card, aren't ya? (typed with as thick a southern accent as possible...) Git 'r done!!!

Are you a 9/11 Truther?

[The_Noble_Cause]

Ah, the typical diversionary tactics of this country's leftists, i.e. accusations of racism and being homophobic. You guys are really in love with that good ol' racism card, aren't ya? (typed with as thick a southern accent as possible...) Git 'r done!!!

Much like Limbaugh's facetious "titanium Haliburton briefcases" and "Club Gitmo Tavel Packages", satirizing tragedy and scandal doesn't make it any less true.

Are you a 9/11 Truther?

In case it wasn't obvious by now, Torquemada, I'm not going to dignify that with an answer.