The 2008 US Presidential Election Thread

[Saint John]

[RedWingFan]

:lol:

What's so funny?

[YoungJRNY]

I'm actually getting turned on... CHICK FIGHT!

[7 Wishes]

Dan...which 3 porn stars would YOU take with you to the Riviera?

[Lula]

i went back on my browser, many times and recovered the original post. here it is in all its glory.


she did quite well. i don't see her as an average american or like me as she sells herself, not at a net worth of 1.2 mil. she did use her talking points more than she should have and threw "maverick" out there way too many times.

why the chant "usa" from the audience?? and now i'll open myself up to be slammed-

i don't like seeing her infant son out in all that noise. i find it unsettling how little she interacts with her baby when he is brought out on stage, but it is a personal thing and says nothing to her mothering.

[Barb]

no barb, i did not say it did not speak well of her mothering- you are wrong. i said i was not speaking of her mothering. stop twisting my words.

Ok, Lula. You deleted the post so it's your word against mine. I know what I read and I'll leave it at that.

right. leave it at that. you are wrong and i resent you saying something that is completely false about what i wrote.

You go right ahead and resent me. I resent what you said too.

you simply lack the comprehension of what i wrote. clearly you have convinced yourself of something else. you want to believe what you created in your mind, go ahead, but don't give me credit for your creation.

Calling me stupid is not going to make me unread what I read. Sorry. You knew what you said was over the line or you wouldn't have deleted it. I have absolutely no reason to twist your words. I wasn't even going to respond until I saw that you had deleted it, but were proud that your buddy had a chance to see it.

[Barb]

i went back on my browser, many times and recovered the original post. here it is in all its glory.


she did quite well. i don't see her as an average american or like me as she sells herself, not at a net worth of 1.2 mil. she did use her talking points more than she should have and threw "maverick" out there way too many times.

why the chant "usa" from the audience?? and now i'll open myself up to be slammed-

i don't like seeing her infant son out in all that noise. i find it unsettling how little she interacts with her baby when he is brought out on stage, but it is a personal thing and says nothing to her mothering.

Oh, ok. No chance you could have edited that, I'm sure. You win.

[Lula]

lol, i didn't call you stupid. i never call people stupid. i brought back the post. and who is my buddy?

[Saint John]

Dan...which 3 porn stars would YOU take with you to the Riviera?

I really don't know any by name, but this chick that got railed by 7 dudes on pornjay.com would definitely be one of them.

[RedWingFan]

Dan...which 3 porn stars would YOU take with you to the Riviera?

I really don't know any by name, but this chick that got railed by 7 dudes on pornjay.com would definitely be one of them.

You must have really liked those other 7 dudes to be willing to share with em.

[Lula]

i went back on my browser, many times and recovered the original post. here it is in all its glory.


she did quite well. i don't see her as an average american or like me as she sells herself, not at a net worth of 1.2 mil. she did use her talking points more than she should have and threw "maverick" out there way too many times.

why the chant "usa" from the audience?? and now i'll open myself up to be slammed-

i don't like seeing her infant son out in all that noise. i find it unsettling how little she interacts with her baby when he is brought out on stage, but it is a personal thing and says nothing to her mothering.

Oh, ok. No chance you could have edited that, I'm sure. You win.

i didn't touch it. i couldn't care less if you believe me, i know it is as i wrote it.

[Uno_up]

i went back on my browser, many times and recovered the original post. here it is in all its glory.


she did quite well. i don't see her as an average american or like me as she sells herself, not at a net worth of 1.2 mil. she did use her talking points more than she should have and threw "maverick" out there way too many times.

why the chant "usa" from the audience?? and now i'll open myself up to be slammed-

i don't like seeing her infant son out in all that noise. i find it unsettling how little she interacts with her baby when he is brought out on stage, but it is a personal thing and says nothing to her mothering.

Oh, ok. No chance you could have edited that, I'm sure. You win.

Sorry, Barb...I believe that's what she wrote (as I saw it). I didn't understand the lack of interaction comment.
That is all. I love you all.

[Barb]

i went back on my browser, many times and recovered the original post. here it is in all its glory.


she did quite well. i don't see her as an average american or like me as she sells herself, not at a net worth of 1.2 mil. she did use her talking points more than she should have and threw "maverick" out there way too many times.

why the chant "usa" from the audience?? and now i'll open myself up to be slammed-

i don't like seeing her infant son out in all that noise. i find it unsettling how little she interacts with her baby when he is brought out on stage, but it is a personal thing and says nothing to her mothering.

Oh, ok. No chance you could have edited that, I'm sure. You win.

i didn't touch it. i couldn't care less if you believe me, i know it is as i wrote it.

Like I said, you win.

[7 Wishes]

Yeah, I don't know any of their names, either.

[csiako]

i went back on my browser, many times and recovered the original post. here it is in all its glory.


she did quite well. i don't see her as an average american or like me as she sells herself, not at a net worth of 1.2 mil. she did use her talking points more than she should have and threw "maverick" out there way too many times.

why the chant "usa" from the audience?? and now i'll open myself up to be slammed-

i don't like seeing her infant son out in all that noise. i find it unsettling how little she interacts with her baby when he is brought out on stage, but it is a personal thing and says nothing to her mothering.

why do you say she did quite well? all the things you said after that are negatives for SP

[Blueskies]

Sorry Barb but I've been following this thread and that is what she wrote.

[Lula]

it's not about winning, barb. i just won't sit by and let someone get away with stating something false about me or something i've said, pretty basic really.

[7 Wishes]

Barb is nothing if not stubborn. As another poster recently stated, she would "argue with a fence post".

[Barb]

it's not about winning, barb. i just won't sit by and let someone get away with stating something false about me or something i've said, pretty basic really.

Ok, Lula. I have no ill will toward you and no reason to twist your words. I read what I read and continuing to argue about it is pointless.

[Barb]

Barb is nothing if not stubborn. As another poster recently stated, she would "argue with a fence post".

This is a case of two people believing they are right. I have conceded the point to Lula 3 times now and she continues to argue. Am I the stubborn one here?

[Lula]

why do you say she did quite well? all the things you said after that are negatives for SP

because she did do quite well in the debate. i criticized a few things, but overall i think she did quite well. after the debacle of an interview or two, her performance tonight was quite good. i don't agree with her or mccain's policies or philosophy, but that doesn't mean i can't be honest about her performance- my initial feeling was - she did quite well. does that clear it up for ya?

[Saint John]

You fuckin' Californians are rowdy!!!

[Blueskies]

Barb is nothing if not stubborn. As another poster recently stated, she would "argue with a fence post".

This is a case of two people believing they are right. I have conceded the point to Lula 3 times now and she continues to argue. Am I the stubborn one here?

Yes because at last count it is now 4 people stating it was written as said.

[csiako]

why do you say she did quite well? all the things you said after that are negatives for SP

because she did do quite well in the debate. i criticized a few things, but overall i think she did quite well. after the debacle of an interview or two, her performance tonight was quite good. i don't agree with her or mccain's policies or philosophy, but that doesn't mean i can't be honest about her performance- my initial feeling was - she did quite well. does that clear it up for ya?

no i am looking for specifics

[Lula]

lol not arguing barb. i guess the 3 people that state what i re posted is indeed accurate isn't quite enough for you to realize you did not comprehend what i wrote.

and i think most folks like to set the record straight when they are being misrepresented or misquoted.

[Since 78]

Some facts adrift in vice presidential debate

By CALVIN WOODWARD, Associated Press Writer 10 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - Facts went adrift on taxes, deregulation and more Thursday when Republican Sarah Palin and Democrat Joe Biden clashed in the vice presidential debate.
ADVERTISEMENT

Some examples:

PALIN: Said of Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama: "94 times he voted to increase taxes or not support a tax reduction."

THE FACTS: The dubious count includes repetitive votes as well as votes to cut taxes for the middle class while raising them on the rich. An analysis by factcheck.org found that 23 of the votes were for measures that would have produced no tax increase at all, seven were in favor of measures that would have lowered taxes for many, 11 would have increased taxes on only those making more than $1 million a year.

___

BIDEN: Complained about "economic policies of the last eight years" that led to "excessive deregulation."

THE FACTS: Biden voted for 1999 deregulation that liberal groups are blaming for part of the financial crisis. The law allowed Wall Street investment banks to create the kind of mortgage-related securities at the core of the problem now. The law was widely backed by Republicans as well as by Democratic President Clinton, who argues it has stopped the crisis today from being worse.

___

PALIN: "Two years ago, remember, it was John McCain who pushed so hard with the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac reform measures. He sounded that warning bell."

THE FACTS: Republican Sen. Chuck Hagel of Nebraska led an effort in 2005 to tighten regulation on the mortgage underwriters — McCain joined as a co-sponsor a year later. The legislation was never taken up by the full Senate, then under Republican control.

___

BIDEN: Warned that Republican presidential candidate John McCain's $5,000 tax credit to help families buy health coverage "will go straight to the insurance company."

THE FACTS: Of course it would, because it's meant to pay for insurance. That's like saying money for a car loan will go straight to the car dealer.

___

PALIN: "We cannot afford to lose against al-Qaida and the Shia extremists who are still there, still fighting us."

THE FACTS: She appeared to confuse the two main Muslim sects in Iraq. Al-Qaida is solely made up of Sunni Muslim militants. Through the course of the war, U.S. forces fought ferocious opposition from both the Sunnis and the country's dominant Shiite sects. Now, both groups are largely maintaining a cease-fire with the U.S. A much-diminished al-Qaida, mainly foreign fighters, remains the primary threat.

___

BIDEN: Said McCain supports tax breaks for oil companies, and "wants to give them another $4 billion tax cut."

THE FACTS: Biden is repeating a favorite saw of the Obama campaign, and it's misleading. McCain supports a cut in income taxes for all corporations, and doesn't single out any one industry for that benefit.

___

PALIN: Said the United States has reduced its troop level in Iraq to a number below where it was when the troop increase began in early 2007.

THE FACTS: Not correct. The Pentagon says there are currently 152,000 U.S. troops in Iraq, about 17,000 more than there were before the 2007 military buildup began.

___

BIDEN: "As a matter of fact, John recently wrote an article in a major magazine saying that he wants to do for the health care industry — deregulate it and let the free market move — like he did for the banking industry."

THE FACTS: Biden and Obama have been perpetuating this distortion of what McCain wrote in an article for the American Academy of Actuaries. McCain, laying out his health plan, only referred to deregulation when saying people should be allowed to buy health insurance across state lines. In that context, he wrote: "Opening up the health insurance market to more vigorous nationwide competition, as we have done over the last decade in banking, would provide more choices of innovative products less burdened by the worst excesses of state-based regulation."

___

PALIN: Said Alaska is "building a nearly $40 billion natural gas pipeline, which is North America's largest and most expensive infrastructure project ever to flow those sources of energy into hungry markets."

THE FACTS: Not quite. Construction is at least six years away. So far the state has only awarded a license to Trans Canada Corp., that comes with $500 million in seed money in exchange for commitments toward a lengthy and costly process to getting a federal certificate. At an August news conference after the state Legislature approved the license, Palin said, "It's not a done deal."

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PALIN: "Barack Obama even supported increasing taxes as late as last year for those families making only $42,000 a year."

BIDEN: "The charge is absolutely not true. Barack Obama did not vote to raise taxes. The vote she's referring to, John McCain voted the exact same way."

THE FACTS: The vote was on a nonbinding budget resolution that assumed that President Bush's tax cuts would expire, as scheduled, in 2011. If that actually happened, it could mean higher taxes for people making as little as about $42,000. But Obama is proposing tax increases only on the wealthy, and would cut taxes for most others. In the March 14 budget resolution supported by Obama and Biden, McCain actually did not vote.

___

PALIN: Said a McCain-Palin administration "will support Israel," including "building our embassy ... in Jerusalem."

THE FACTS: Moving the U.S. Embassy from its present location in Tel Aviv to Jerusalem is a perennial promise of presidential candidates courting the Jewish-American vote. In fact, moving the embassy is actually required by U.S. law. But successive administrations of both parties, including President Bush's, have made the same pledge only to find that the realities of Middle East peacemaking have forced them to invoke a waiver to delay it. Jerusalem is claimed as a capital by both Israel and the Palestinians, and Israel's occupation of east Jerusalem is not internationally recognized. The city's status is a key issue of disagreement in peace negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians.

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[Jana]

Barb and Lula, I responded earlier back there about the misunderstanding. I will respond agaiin. I read it and she said she wasn't talking about her mothering, but that specific incident on stage with the crowd. Really, Barb, I think you just misread it. Peace you guys.

[Barb]

Barb and Lula, I responded earlier back there about the misunderstanding. I will respond agaiin. I read it and she said she wasn't talking about her mothering, but that specific incident on stage with the crowd. Really, Barb, I think you just misread it. Peace you guys.

Ok. I misread it. I stand corrected. I apologize, Lula. Let peace & harmony be returned to this thread.

[Lula]

why do you say she did quite well? all the things you said after that are negatives for SP

because she did do quite well in the debate. i criticized a few things, but overall i think she did quite well. after the debacle of an interview or two, her performance tonight was quite good. i don't agree with her or mccain's policies or philosophy, but that doesn't mean i can't be honest about her performance- my initial feeling was - she did quite well. does that clear it up for ya?

no i am looking for specifics

for real? specifics on what? her performance? she held her own. she didn't make any major mistakes in my eyes. she looked great, tho i'm not too crazy about he highlights.... could be softer .

seriously, i'll answer any question, but i'm not sure what you want to know.

[Barb]

Some facts adrift in vice presidential debate

By CALVIN WOODWARD, Associated Press Writer 10 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - Facts went adrift on taxes, deregulation and more Thursday when Republican Sarah Palin and Democrat Joe Biden clashed in the vice presidential debate.
ADVERTISEMENT

Some examples:

PALIN: Said of Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama: "94 times he voted to increase taxes or not support a tax reduction."

THE FACTS: The dubious count includes repetitive votes as well as votes to cut taxes for the middle class while raising them on the rich. An analysis by factcheck.org found that 23 of the votes were for measures that would have produced no tax increase at all, seven were in favor of measures that would have lowered taxes for many, 11 would have increased taxes on only those making more than $1 million a year.

___

BIDEN: Complained about "economic policies of the last eight years" that led to "excessive deregulation."

THE FACTS: Biden voted for 1999 deregulation that liberal groups are blaming for part of the financial crisis. The law allowed Wall Street investment banks to create the kind of mortgage-related securities at the core of the problem now. The law was widely backed by Republicans as well as by Democratic President Clinton, who argues it has stopped the crisis today from being worse.

___

PALIN: "Two years ago, remember, it was John McCain who pushed so hard with the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac reform measures. He sounded that warning bell."

THE FACTS: Republican Sen. Chuck Hagel of Nebraska led an effort in 2005 to tighten regulation on the mortgage underwriters — McCain joined as a co-sponsor a year later. The legislation was never taken up by the full Senate, then under Republican control.

___

BIDEN: Warned that Republican presidential candidate John McCain's $5,000 tax credit to help families buy health coverage "will go straight to the insurance company."

THE FACTS: Of course it would, because it's meant to pay for insurance. That's like saying money for a car loan will go straight to the car dealer.

___

PALIN: "We cannot afford to lose against al-Qaida and the Shia extremists who are still there, still fighting us."

THE FACTS: She appeared to confuse the two main Muslim sects in Iraq. Al-Qaida is solely made up of Sunni Muslim militants. Through the course of the war, U.S. forces fought ferocious opposition from both the Sunnis and the country's dominant Shiite sects. Now, both groups are largely maintaining a cease-fire with the U.S. A much-diminished al-Qaida, mainly foreign fighters, remains the primary threat.

___

BIDEN: Said McCain supports tax breaks for oil companies, and "wants to give them another $4 billion tax cut."

THE FACTS: Biden is repeating a favorite saw of the Obama campaign, and it's misleading. McCain supports a cut in income taxes for all corporations, and doesn't single out any one industry for that benefit.

___

PALIN: Said the United States has reduced its troop level in Iraq to a number below where it was when the troop increase began in early 2007.

THE FACTS: Not correct. The Pentagon says there are currently 152,000 U.S. troops in Iraq, about 17,000 more than there were before the 2007 military buildup began.

___

BIDEN: "As a matter of fact, John recently wrote an article in a major magazine saying that he wants to do for the health care industry — deregulate it and let the free market move — like he did for the banking industry."

THE FACTS: Biden and Obama have been perpetuating this distortion of what McCain wrote in an article for the American Academy of Actuaries. McCain, laying out his health plan, only referred to deregulation when saying people should be allowed to buy health insurance across state lines. In that context, he wrote: "Opening up the health insurance market to more vigorous nationwide competition, as we have done over the last decade in banking, would provide more choices of innovative products less burdened by the worst excesses of state-based regulation."

___

PALIN: Said Alaska is "building a nearly $40 billion natural gas pipeline, which is North America's largest and most expensive infrastructure project ever to flow those sources of energy into hungry markets."

THE FACTS: Not quite. Construction is at least six years away. So far the state has only awarded a license to Trans Canada Corp., that comes with $500 million in seed money in exchange for commitments toward a lengthy and costly process to getting a federal certificate. At an August news conference after the state Legislature approved the license, Palin said, "It's not a done deal."

___

PALIN: "Barack Obama even supported increasing taxes as late as last year for those families making only $42,000 a year."

BIDEN: "The charge is absolutely not true. Barack Obama did not vote to raise taxes. The vote she's referring to, John McCain voted the exact same way."

THE FACTS: The vote was on a nonbinding budget resolution that assumed that President Bush's tax cuts would expire, as scheduled, in 2011. If that actually happened, it could mean higher taxes for people making as little as about $42,000. But Obama is proposing tax increases only on the wealthy, and would cut taxes for most others. In the March 14 budget resolution supported by Obama and Biden, McCain actually did not vote.

___

PALIN: Said a McCain-Palin administration "will support Israel," including "building our embassy ... in Jerusalem."

THE FACTS: Moving the U.S. Embassy from its present location in Tel Aviv to Jerusalem is a perennial promise of presidential candidates courting the Jewish-American vote. In fact, moving the embassy is actually required by U.S. law. But successive administrations of both parties, including President Bush's, have made the same pledge only to find that the realities of Middle East peacemaking have forced them to invoke a waiver to delay it. Jerusalem is claimed as a capital by both Israel and the Palestinians, and Israel's occupation of east Jerusalem is not internationally recognized. The city's status is a key issue of disagreement in peace negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians.

___

Oh, there's more to come....