The 2008 US Presidential Election Thread

[Wally_Hatchet]

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Some people will do anything to get elected President.

[Jana]

OK, Wally Hatchet, that was funny. See, I have a sense of humor.

[grimlocked]

That looks like a black Tina Fey.

[conversationpc]

I'd hit it!

[grimlocked]

I'd hit it!

Damn you, I can't get this out of mind. I'm picturing the guy in conversationpc's avatar and the black Tina Fey hitting it. It's so wrong. Reminds me of this lyrics:

...Two different worlds collide
Somehow come together
Caught in the moment…blind with desire
The way I wanted you… I should’ve known better
The way too fast… we jumped into the fire...

[RedWingFan]

Funny? Now do a search for the "Global Poverty Act".
Giving our tax dollars to poor countries so they'll like us. I know how much you want everyone to like us. Bend over, it's coming.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I can show you hundreds of citations of the Dems making the same accusations against Saddam before Bush, but somehow that all gets forgiven. Why?

LOL.
I would like to think most intellectually-honest Conservatives would see this foreign policy boondock as a non-partisan issue, kinda like Ron Paul or the Libertarians.
The leaked documents and confessions by top officials is far too great for me to regurgitate here once again.
The bottom line is the weapons inspectors physically on the ground said they hadn't found a thing, and were pulled out.
What does that tell you?
Only people still supporting this war are the Limbaugh listeners, who think a 3 trillion dollar war is worth every penny.
You guys destroyed your own movement.

[The_Noble_Cause]

No less than Saddam himself confessed to Agent Piero that he led America on, (making us believe he had them) because he was afraid of the Iranians. He also confessed that he never thought that Bush would pull the trigger.

As was predictably in his own self-interest.
The weapons inspectors on the ground prior to invasion said there was nothing here.
If there is so much as an iota of doubt, you don't sacrifice American lives.

[Lula]

No less than Saddam himself confessed to Agent Piero that he led America on, (making us believe he had them) because he was afraid of the Iranians. He also confessed that he never thought that Bush would pull the trigger.

As was predictably in his own self-interest.
The weapons inspectors on the ground prior to invasion said there was nothing here.
If there is so much as an iota of doubt, you don't sacrifice American lives.

Again, see the numerous quotes from Gore, Kerry, Albright, Clinton et al...

We're not alone in this,..... you just couldn't stand W's 74% approval rating for pulling the trigger. Hence 4 years of beating your dead horse.

oh how the mighty fall..

bush has an an approval rating of 26.7

[The_Noble_Cause]

Again, see the numerous quotes from Gore, Kerry, Albright, Clinton et al...

They weren't on the ground in Iraq.
The Inspectors said they were coming up empty handed.
Dems didn't make the call to pull them out.

We're not alone in this,..... you just couldn't stand W's 74% approval rating for pulling the trigger. Hence 4 years of beating your dead horse.

Meaningless.

[Lula]

tell me, ff, what point have i proven for you by posting our president's current approval rating? i realize you don't know me, but just a heads up for ya- my attitude is far from defeatist.

[RedWingFan]

tell me, ff, what point have i proven for you by posting our president's current approval rating? i realize you don't know me, but just a heads up for ya- my attitude is far from defeatist.

Lula, Bush had a 74% approval rating going into the war. The left couldn't stand that. You guys have beat the man silly to prove what?

ps...and he/we won at every turn!

Not to mention bashing Bush meant bashing the US. Then they turn around and moan about our standing in the world.

[Lula]

tell me, ff, what point have i proven for you by posting our president's current approval rating? i realize you don't know me, but just a heads up for ya- my attitude is far from defeatist.

Lula, Bush had a 74% approval rating going into the war. The left couldn't stand that. You guys have beat the man silly to prove what?

ps...and he/we won at every turn!

going into the war.... how many years ago was that? how long has the fighting continued since he declared mission accomplished? hmmmm, that was 6/5/03.

i didn't vote for him. i didn't then and don't now support the invasion and occupation of iraq. the level of corruption is absurd. the attitude of being above the law that his admin holds is insulting to the american people and the constitution. the simple fact that his approval rating is below 30% should tell ya something. it isn't just the democrat population stating their opinion on his job performance.... remember how absent his name was at the gop convention?

[Lula]

tell me, ff, what point have i proven for you by posting our president's current approval rating? i realize you don't know me, but just a heads up for ya- my attitude is far from defeatist.

Lula, Bush had a 74% approval rating going into the war. The left couldn't stand that. You guys have beat the man silly to prove what?

ps...and he/we won at every turn!

Not to mention bashing Bush meant bashing the US. Then they turn around and moan about our standing in the world.

the beauty of our country is the freedom to dissent. we are afforded the privilege to critique our leaders. of course that pesky patriot act really tried to strip of us our liberties. my criticism of bush has been just that- of bush, not of the united states. isn't it just like some of you repubs to try and make a liberal unpatriotic for dissenting. ya know, peace is patriotic

[Jana]

I have to shake my head in amazement at some of the comments on this thread regarding if Obama gets elected. It's pretty much been insinuated that Obama will put this country in the toilet if elected. News Flash Guys, your guy, BUSH (Republican), already put us in the toilet and flushed it. So forgive me for not being afraid of Obama.

[RossValoryRocks]

I have to shake my head in amazement at some of the comments on this thread regarding if Obama gets elected. It's pretty much been insinuated that Obama will put this country in the toilet if elected. News Flash Guys, your guy, BUSH (Republican), already put us in the toilet and flushed it. So forgive me for not being afraid of Obama.

But Obama will stop up the shitter! But oh well, that's life in the Republic I guess.

Just wait, the taxes are going to go up on the very people who drive our economy.

It happened in 1932 after the start of the Great Depression and REALLY dropped the economy. I posted all about it earlier in the thread.

But hey it's ok...He's Barrack the Messiah Obama.

[Uno_up]

Fact-based Washington Post article:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 08_pf.html

Typical...Change or more of the same corruption?

[Jana]

RossValoryRocks, see, there YA' go, MAKIN' an over-the-top comment, USIN' the word "Messiah." Say it ain't so, Ross? How is my Sarah Palin impression? I "BETCHA" knew that one.

Anyone who would pick Sarah Palin for VP, a heartbeat away from the presidency in these times, I have no faith in.
You, apparently, had faith in Bush and I didn't. I have faith in Obama and you don't. Since it now appears the Obama/Biden ticket will win, we'll see. I'm betting on my judgement on this and that he will be a good president. Peace.

[The_Noble_Cause]

TNC wishes it was meaningless...it would make his side look better...but that ain't happening.

I fail to see what Bush's poll numbers circa 2003 have to do with weapons inspectors findings, or the house of cards foundation the Iraq War continues to amorally rest on. This has nothing to do with my "side" - honest Republicans like Ron Paul and Pat Buchanan will tell you the same thing- pom-pom toting Bush whores, however, will not.

Defend loaning money to people who can't/won't pay it back TNC...

Yeh, that's right, blame the minorities.
Couldn't possibly be the deregulatory-mania that was ushered in by Reagan and was promoted by your party as recently as the GOP Convention.
I haven't absolved any one group from responsibility, but you act as if deregulation has never been one of your party's central calling cards.

[Lula]

i wish i felt as confident that obama will win the presidency as some. i just have an awful feeling that it won't go the way i want; it hasn't gone my way the last 2 elections. i just can't stomach another 4 years of policy that makes no sense to me and with another power hungry vp? yikes!!

[Jana]

Lula, I really believe he will, barring a screw-up in the next two debates. He held his own in the first debate on domestic and foreign policy issues. Biden was very impressive. Palin redeemed herself from the embarassing Katie Couric interview, but it was evident she was repeating soundbites and talking points. Biden was so direct and was really knowledgeable and had real answers, not memorized answers. I believe Americans that were undecided are reassured now about this ticket.

And McCain's flopping all around on the economy, when Obama has been steadfast about it being in trouble, doesn't help McCain. And, also, his stance on the war doesn't help him. And to pick Sarah Palin as VP shows such poor judgment when he's been running his whole campaign on experience. That VP pick has destroyed his chance of being elected.

[RossValoryRocks]

RossValoryRocks, see, there YA' go, MAKIN' an over-the-top comment, USIN' the word "Messiah." Say it ain't so, Ross? How is my Sarah Palin impression? I "BETCHA" knew that one.

Anyone who would pick Sarah Palin for VP, a heartbeat away from the presidency in these times, I have no faith in.
You, apparently, had faith in Bush and I didn't. I have faith in Obama and you don't. Since it now appears the Obama/Biden ticket will win, we'll see. I'm betting on my judgement on this and that he will be a good president. Peace.

You need to go back though and look through my posts. I and others here have slammed President Bush repeatedly when we disagreed with him and thought he was wrong.

NEVER in the thread, or anywhere else have you liberals ONCE slammed any democrat or other liberal type.

I don't have faith in Obama because I am an educated man, and see what history teaches. He will raise taxes which will thrash our economy, particularly with a democrat controlled congress.

I react to a candidate out of research on their positions, you react out of some kind of warped sense of the "I hate Bush" delusion.

Jana you really don't understand what Obama will do to this country, and are typically shortsighted as most liberals are these days.

I suggest you do some reading on the Great Depression and see the parallels with today.

[RossValoryRocks]

i wish i felt as confident that obama will win the presidency as some. i just have an awful feeling that it won't go the way i want; it hasn't gone my way the last 2 elections. i just can't stomach another 4 years of policy that makes no sense to me and with another power hungry vp? yikes!!

Now you are just being ridiculous Lula. Palin isn't power hungry. You libs just can't stomach a a pro-life, educated, working woman running on a Republican ticket, because it invalidates many of the positions you libs hold dear.

But not to worry...Obama is going to win, probably in a landslide, and in 2 years we will be in the middle of another depression if history is any guide.

Now if by some miracle McCain wins, he is VASTLY different that President Bush on many many issues, about he ONLY thing they have in common are a FEW positions on the war in Iraq.

[Lula]

stu, she said it in the debate.... expanding the power of the vp.

what i couldn't stand is if she were on the dem ticket. she is right where she belongs. i don't hate her. i simply don't agree with her. i've stated many times that i'm excited for the gop as they move into the present day, it's about time .

[Uno_up]

You need to go back though and look through my posts. I and others here have slammed President Bush repeatedly when we disagreed with him and thought he was wrong.

NEVER in the thread, or anywhere else have you liberals ONCE slammed any democrat or other liberal type.

I don't have faith in Obama because I am an educated man, and see what history teaches. He will raise taxes which will thrash our economy, particularly with a democrat controlled congress.

I react to a candidate out of research on their positions, you react out of some kind of warped sense of the "I hate Bush" delusion.

Jana you really don't understand what Obama will do to this country, and are typically shortsighted as most liberals are these days.

I suggest you do some reading on the Great Depression and see the parallels with today.

But we'll all be poor together! Where's your community spirit?

[RossValoryRocks]

stu, she said it in the debate.... expanding the power of the vp.

That isn't what she said an you know it. Damn Lula, I never thought you would become the Mistress of Spin.

She meant that the VP has a role to play in today's world, unlike in years past when the VP was largely a ceremonial role, barring tragedy of course.

[7 Wishes]

No, she didn't. She said the VP powers would change even though that's prohibited under Article 1.
She's a disinformation specialist.

[Jana]

Actually, RossValloryRocks, I'm a moderate. I was once a registered Republican who voted most of my adult life the Republican ticket until Clinton. And I did that reluctantly because Bush had his head in the sand. I was worried. I believed everything I was told about if a Democrat was in office. But guess what, the Clinton years, looking back, were good years. And I do trash people on both sides. I've voted for Republican governors in my state, Jeb Bush and Charlie Christ. Why? Because I felt they were better than the Democratic candidates.

If you've read my threads, I was a Hillary Clinton supporter. With her out, I had stated I was on the fence because I believed McCain was going to pick Romney, who I admire with his expertise on the economy. His pick of Sarah Palin is a deal breaker. And I said all along I wanted Obama to pick Biden. That reassured me on foreign policy. There is no easy answer here for me. And I understand that Obama is more liberal than Bill Clinton. He was a moderate, centrist, whatever you want to call it. But I have lost all faith in McCain as this campaign has progressed, and I've really gained faith in Obama. I was against this war and still am. I feel Obama has the temperment and intellect and wisdom. Truthfully, nobody can do the damage that Bush has done to this country. I know you disagree. I believe the Obama/Biden ticket will guide this country out of the mess it's in, but it will take years. I pity anyone who is elected next because of what they're facing.

I respect we're on opposite sides of the fence on this one. But I didn't like that you painted me as this one-dimensional liberal Democrat. And thank you for enlightening me on your criticisms of your party. Peace.

[Lula]

stu, she said it in the debate.... expanding the power of the vp.

That isn't what she said an you know it. Damn Lula, I never thought you would become the Mistress of Spin.

She meant that the VP has a role to play in today's world, unlike in years past when the VP was largely a ceremonial role, barring tragedy of course.

mistress of spin! i love it. if i recall she said (paraphrasing) that the role could be expanded, i did not take it as beyond a ceremonious roll, but rather her desire to be a more visible active player. come on, we're just coming off of 8 years of dick cheney, the most powerful vp ever!

on a positive note- notice the av, recent wyatt

[RossValoryRocks]

No, she didn't. She said the VP powers would change even though that's prohibited under Article 1.
She's a disinformation specialist.

And you're an asshole, but hey, we still love ya!

She didn't say that, and you know it just like Lula.

She talked about the VP giving advice to the President, rounding up votes in congress and being an integral part of the Administration.

Really it doesn't matter, Obama is going to win.

Then for the next 4 years us conservatives will get a shot and demeaning Obama and Biden as you have to done to any conservative. Ahhh...the shoe will be on the other foot. That is if ANY of us can afford to have internet after Obama completely shuts down our economy with his tax hikes on the very people providing jobs!