The 2008 US Presidential Election Thread

[RossValoryRocks]

so how does this create islamic rule? and aren't obama's tax policies in line with clinton's? seems things were pretty good with bill in charge. nothing higher than reagan's taxes?

I wasn't speaking to Islamic rule...I was speaking to his economic plan.

No higher than Reagan is going to ruin our economy.

Reagan's highest tax rate was 42%, almost 10 points higher than right now.

The people who make more than $250,000 are the people who do the overwhelming investment in our economy via venture capital.

Tax them at a higher rate and that money goes away by at least the rate of increase. It will slow down the economy drastically.

Redistribution of wealth NEVER EVER EVER EVER works. It is the government doing the job of the street hood on the corner.

[7 Wishes]

1 TRILLION in new spending..

Here's the thing...McCain has 1.7 trillion in OLD spending on policies that drove this economy into the ground!

[Rhiannon]

did you say mayer? };C))

Ohh, you rock!

[Jana]

DONNAPLEASE, maybe I shouldn't have used the term "insane judgment" on picking Palin. "Poor" judgment. I am a moderate, not a liberal. I was a Republican as I've stated MANY times on this site and I have voted in the last two elections in Florida for Republican governors, Bush and Christ.

And someone else on here said I hated Sarah Palin. I don't. I'm not saying she was a bad governor for Alaska. And I'm not "obsessed." The thought of her as president if McCain dies literally terrifies me. I will say it again. She is not qualified to be President in these troubled times. I respected McCain up until this, never said a bad word about the man. If he had picked Romney I would have felt comfortable if they were elected.

[7 Wishes]

RED SOX WIN!!!

Who gives a shit about politics right now?!!!!

Bring on Tampa and their horseshit fans...amazing. Incredible ball club, amazing season, and they've only had seven sellouts...bunch of uptight retired tightwads down there in Florida.

[donnaplease]

I was watching a commercial at my in-laws house this evening for BO, and one picture of him struck me... He bears a very strong resemblance to another TV personality.



It must be the ears...

[Rhiannon]

RED SOX WIN!!!

Who gives a shit about politics right now?!!!!

Bring on Tampa and their horseshit fans...amazing. Incredible ball club, amazing season, and they've only had seven sellouts...bunch of uptight retired tightwads down there in Florida.

Calm your panties, bro.

[RossValoryRocks]

1 TRILLION in new spending..

Here's the thing...McCain has 1.7 trillion in OLD spending on policies that drove this economy into the ground!

Well...actually so does Obama doesn't he???

Those policies will STILL be there when Obama takes office.

[Lula]

so how does this create islamic rule? and aren't obama's tax policies in line with clinton's? seems things were pretty good with bill in charge. nothing higher than reagan's taxes?

I wasn't speaking to Islamic rule...I was speaking to his economic plan.

No higher than Reagan is going to ruin our economy.

Reagan's highest tax rate was 42%, almost 10 points higher than right now.

The people who make more than $250,000 are the people who do the overwhelming investment in our economy via venture capital.

Tax them at a higher rate and that money goes away by at least the rate of increase. It will slow down the economy drastically.

Redistribution of wealth NEVER EVER EVER EVER works. It is the government doing the job of the street hood on the corner.

the whole trickle down theory is lacking too. i'm still waiting.......

[scarygirl]

By wanting to pacify terrorist nations. By disarming us. By changing our capitalist society to a socialist one.

well scarygirl, i'm completely unaware of these plans. it would seem we have a socialist society already tho, and it isn't under president obama.

If we have a socialist society already it is because of everyone thinking they deserve everything. And yes, this entitlement mentality has been pushed forward primarily by the democratic party and will be set in stone by Barock Obama. We're in the early throes of socialism. It hasn't gelled completely yet.

how the hell was this pushed forward by the dems? the gop has had the power for quite sometime, the dems only regained some power 2 yrs ago.

Welfare benefits for everyone and everything. Housing for everyone regardless of abilty to pay. Banks that once based their loans on a person's job status and credit worthiness have been strong armed into giving loans to those of poor or non existent credit status. If they said no they risked being called prejudicial or worse. Once upon a time people saved their down payment then went house hunting. Wanting minimum wage to be made into some grandiose livng wage. If you do that what's the point of moving up the chain? Universal health care despite their being low cost alternatives through the free market. Wal Mart and I believe Walgreens have places like Minute Clinics where you can receive health care for little to no cost. Drug companies have programs where if you're under a certain salary you can get their meds for free. A hospital cannot legally turn you away in an emergency due to inability to pay. Capitalism when given the chance works quite nicely.

Before Bush we had eight years of Clinton. This whole thing has been cooking for a while. Maybe it isn't fair to blamd it entirely on dems, but neither is it to blame bush.

[RossValoryRocks]

so how does this create islamic rule? and aren't obama's tax policies in line with clinton's? seems things were pretty good with bill in charge. nothing higher than reagan's taxes?

I wasn't speaking to Islamic rule...I was speaking to his economic plan.

No higher than Reagan is going to ruin our economy.

Reagan's highest tax rate was 42%, almost 10 points higher than right now.

The people who make more than $250,000 are the people who do the overwhelming investment in our economy via venture capital.

Tax them at a higher rate and that money goes away by at least the rate of increase. It will slow down the economy drastically.

Redistribution of wealth NEVER EVER EVER EVER works. It is the government doing the job of the street hood on the corner.

the whole trickle down theory is lacking too. i'm still waiting.......

I can begin tell you how wrong you are. When Reagan cut taxes the it increase the amount, by percentage, the top 50% of earner paid of the total amount of money that came into the Federal Government. It has happened that way EACH time tax cuts have been enacted by the government.

Under Reagan, the top 1% of earners went from paying 18.2% to 28% of the money coming into government.

It just doesn't play well in the media, because liberal politicians THRIVE on class warfare.

Oh and you aren't getting any of the redistributed wealth because you are not a minority or special interest.

[scarygirl]

so how does this create islamic rule? and aren't obama's tax policies in line with clinton's? seems things were pretty good with bill in charge. nothing higher than reagan's taxes?

I wasn't speaking to Islamic rule...I was speaking to his economic plan.

No higher than Reagan is going to ruin our economy.

Reagan's highest tax rate was 42%, almost 10 points higher than right now.

The people who make more than $250,000 are the people who do the overwhelming investment in our economy via venture capital.

Tax them at a higher rate and that money goes away by at least the rate of increase. It will slow down the economy drastically.

Redistribution of wealth NEVER EVER EVER EVER works. It is the government doing the job of the street hood on the corner.

the whole trickle down theory is lacking too. i'm still waiting.......

America is the land of invention and opportunity. If you can dream it you can achieve it. I still firmly believe that.

[Uno_up]

RED SOX WIN!!!

Who gives a shit about politics right now?!!!!

Bring on Tampa and their horseshit fans...amazing. Incredible ball club, amazing season, and they've only had seven sellouts...bunch of uptight retired tightwads down there in Florida.

Fuck you...and I can't wait to cancel your popular vote next month.
Go Rays.

[Lula]

so you're telling me trickle down economics work? i don't buy it, not at all.

[scarygirl]

Hey Lula, the small business that I work for grosses well over $250,000 a year. That's of course before operating costs. We're struggling in this economy as t is. What do you think is gonna happen to me and my Job when Obama starts ratcheting taxes on these supposedly greedy capitalists.

[RossValoryRocks]

so how does this create islamic rule? and aren't obama's tax policies in line with clinton's? seems things were pretty good with bill in charge. nothing higher than reagan's taxes?

I wasn't speaking to Islamic rule...I was speaking to his economic plan.

No higher than Reagan is going to ruin our economy.

Reagan's highest tax rate was 42%, almost 10 points higher than right now.

The people who make more than $250,000 are the people who do the overwhelming investment in our economy via venture capital.

Tax them at a higher rate and that money goes away by at least the rate of increase. It will slow down the economy drastically.

Redistribution of wealth NEVER EVER EVER EVER works. It is the government doing the job of the street hood on the corner.

the whole trickle down theory is lacking too. i'm still waiting.......

America is the land of invention and opportunity. If you can dream it you can achieve it. I still firmly believe that.

It is...unless you take the money away from the people who actually FUND the invention and opportunities...and give it to those who do nothing with it...

[RossValoryRocks]

so you're telling me trickle down economics work? i don't buy it, not at all.

Fine don't buy it...but it is how the free market economic engine works, how it has ALWAYS worked.

Sorry Lula but we will soon see what happens when that engine is shut off, or at least starved of fuel.

A Democrat controlled congress, and Democrat President will crush our economy.

But you work for the government as an educator, so you should be safe from the fallout. Those of us not beholden to the government for our livelyhood are going to suffer however.

[Lula]

Welfare benefits for everyone and everything. Housing for everyone regardless of abilty to pay. Banks that once based their loans on a person's job status and credit worthiness have been strong armed into giving loans to those of poor or non existent credit status. If they said no they risked being called prejudicial or worse. Once upon a time people saved their down payment then went house hunting. Wanting minimum wage to be made into some grandiose livng wage. If you do that what's the point of moving up the chain? Universal health care despite their being low cost alternatives through the free market. Wal Mart and I believe Walgreens have places like Minute Clinics where you can receive health care for little to no cost. Drug companies have programs where if you're under a certain salary you can get their meds for free. A hospital cannot legally turn you away in an emergency due to inability to pay. Capitalism when given the chance works quite nicely.

Before Bush we had eight years of Clinton. This whole thing has been cooking for a while. Maybe it isn't fair to blamd it entirely on dems, but neither is it to blame bush.

first off i don't blame bush for everything. when clinton held office he had a republican congress. that's a big difference to the gop holding all the cards as they have 6 of bush's 8 yrs.

i'm all for a living wage. people that do a minimum wage job should be able to put food in their belly too. your comment on health care is beyond me, i don't get that way of thinking at all. i don't oppose capitalism, but bush's bailout is anything but capitalism.... pure socialist move.

[Lula]

so you're telling me trickle down economics work? i don't buy it, not at all.

Fine don't buy it...but it is how the free market economic engine works, how it has ALWAYS worked.

Sorry Lula but we will soon see what happens when that engine is shut off, or at least starved of fuel.

A Democrat controlled congress, and Democrat President will crush our economy.

But you work for the government as an educator, so you should be safe from the fallout. Those of us not beholden to the government for our livelyhood are going to suffer however.

you're forgetting california is broke.... teachers and police officers salaries are at risk.

seems times are tough for a lot of people right now. unemployment has risen for the past 10 months. i don't see how anyone can claim our economy is not crushed with everything that has happened. some say tax cuts under obama would hurt some say it would help the middle class.... i suppose time will tell, but it is hard for me to believe things will be even worse than they are now.

[RossValoryRocks]

Welfare benefits for everyone and everything. Housing for everyone regardless of abilty to pay. Banks that once based their loans on a person's job status and credit worthiness have been strong armed into giving loans to those of poor or non existent credit status. If they said no they risked being called prejudicial or worse. Once upon a time people saved their down payment then went house hunting. Wanting minimum wage to be made into some grandiose livng wage. If you do that what's the point of moving up the chain? Universal health care despite their being low cost alternatives through the free market. Wal Mart and I believe Walgreens have places like Minute Clinics where you can receive health care for little to no cost. Drug companies have programs where if you're under a certain salary you can get their meds for free. A hospital cannot legally turn you away in an emergency due to inability to pay. Capitalism when given the chance works quite nicely.

Before Bush we had eight years of Clinton. This whole thing has been cooking for a while. Maybe it isn't fair to blamd it entirely on dems, but neither is it to blame bush.

first off i don't blame bush for everything. when clinton held office he had a republican congress. that's a big difference to the gop holding all the cards as they have 6 of bush's 8 yrs.

i'm all for a living wage. people that do a minimum wage job should be able to put food in their belly too. your comment on health care is beyond me, i don't get that way of thinking at all. i don't oppose capitalism, but bush's bailout is anything but capitalism.... pure socialist move.

Why should a company or person be FORCED by the government to pay someone a wage that is more than the cost of the work being done?? If digging a ditch is worth $5.00/hr how can the government force the company doing the work to pay a person $7.00/hr??? That is socialism.

[scarygirl]

so you're telling me trickle down economics work? i don't buy it, not at all.

You go to school and learns skills that make you attractive in the market place. You or I don't have the money to build a work site of our own. That's where capitalsm comes in. Those that have create opportunity which creates jobs which equal money in your pocket. Sounds like trickle down economics to me.

Not everyone will win. Sad, but true. It's one of the offsets of a free society. But if you compare the poorest among us in terms of actual goods they're stilll better off than those in most other countries.

[RossValoryRocks]

so you're telling me trickle down economics work? i don't buy it, not at all.

Fine don't buy it...but it is how the free market economic engine works, how it has ALWAYS worked.

Sorry Lula but we will soon see what happens when that engine is shut off, or at least starved of fuel.

A Democrat controlled congress, and Democrat President will crush our economy.

But you work for the government as an educator, so you should be safe from the fallout. Those of us not beholden to the government for our livelyhood are going to suffer however.

you're forgetting california is broke.... teachers and police officers salaries are at risk.

Oh yeah...the liberal Mecca of Cahleeforneeyah...The richest state in the Union, the 6th largest economy in the world and what happened???

[Lula]

so you're telling me trickle down economics work? i don't buy it, not at all.

Fine don't buy it...but it is how the free market economic engine works, how it has ALWAYS worked.

Sorry Lula but we will soon see what happens when that engine is shut off, or at least starved of fuel.

A Democrat controlled congress, and Democrat President will crush our economy.

But you work for the government as an educator, so you should be safe from the fallout. Those of us not beholden to the government for our livelyhood are going to suffer however.

you're forgetting california is broke.... teachers and police officers salaries are at risk.

Oh yeah...the liberal Mecca of Cahleeforneeyah...The richest state in the Union, the 6th largest economy in the world and what happened???

i added more to my post. we do have a republican governor

[Barb]

so you're telling me trickle down economics work? i don't buy it, not at all.

Fine don't buy it...but it is how the free market economic engine works, how it has ALWAYS worked.

Sorry Lula but we will soon see what happens when that engine is shut off, or at least starved of fuel.

A Democrat controlled congress, and Democrat President will crush our economy.

But you work for the government as an educator, so you should be safe from the fallout. Those of us not beholden to the government for our livelyhood are going to suffer however.

you're forgetting california is broke.... teachers and police officers salaries are at risk.

Oh yeah...the liberal Mecca of Cahleeforneeyah...The richest state in the Union, the 6th largest economy in the world and what happened???

i added more to my post. we do have a republican governor

No we don't. Arnold has been a huge HUGE disappointment. We have an all Democratic legislature and he caves to them every step of the way.

This state spends $11 billion a year on illegal aliens and another $18 billion in welfare and other social programs. There is plenty we COULD do to get ourselves out of this mess.

[RossValoryRocks]

so you're telling me trickle down economics work? i don't buy it, not at all.

Fine don't buy it...but it is how the free market economic engine works, how it has ALWAYS worked.

Sorry Lula but we will soon see what happens when that engine is shut off, or at least starved of fuel.

A Democrat controlled congress, and Democrat President will crush our economy.

But you work for the government as an educator, so you should be safe from the fallout. Those of us not beholden to the government for our livelyhood are going to suffer however.

you're forgetting california is broke.... teachers and police officers salaries are at risk.

Oh yeah...the liberal Mecca of Cahleeforneeyah...The richest state in the Union, the 6th largest economy in the world and what happened???

i added more to my post. we do have a republican governor

Well he is a member of the party, but he is about as truly republican as Bush is...which is not very...

[scarygirl]

[url]bush's bailout is anything but capitalism.... pure socialist move[/url]

Bush's bail out, but everyone signed on. Including Barak Obama. Last week I saw several news articles that stated Obama's comments that without a bail out we were on the verge of a catastrophe. I don't know if he actually voted on this measure or not, but he nor McCain didn't exactly take a stand against it either. So I guess they're both a little socialist although based on Barak's campaign promises I suspect he's more so. Thats what scares me and is why I won't vote Barack Obama. I'm voting for the lesser of two evils I guess. I realize our democracy is running short and please forgive me for wanting to hold on to it just a little while longer.

[7 Wishes]

Fuck you...and I can't wait to cancel your popular vote next month.
Go Rays.

Oh, a long time Rays fan, huh?

There is no such thing.

There are "fans" who have jumped on the bandwagon this year. Before that, the team drew about 12,000 per game.

I LOVE the team, and don't respect the "fans". You go to see your team whether or not you're winning.

Anyway, it should be a hell of a series. Six games, minimum. Terrific matchups.

[7 Wishes]

You go to school and learns skills that make you attractive in the market place.

You have to have the OPPORTUNITY first. That's the extent of it. If the government underfunds inner-city schools, no-one learns; no-one goes to college, the kids become drug dealers and prostitutes, and the cycle repeats itself.

Those kids are JUST as smart as anyone here...they just don't ever have the chance to prove it.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Olbermann nailed it tonight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Qe0fgS7K8Q

[Jana]

Noble Cause, that he did. Thanks for posting.