Had an intersting discussion on religion at work today.

[Enigma869]

let the texas rangers win a world series.

I think they're too busy with Highway Patrol


John from Boston

[iceberg]

let the texas rangers win a world series.

I think they're too busy with Highway Patrol

John from Boston

enigma - 1
iceberg - 0

that one took me a second to get.

[conversationpc]

Yeah, you're right and it's hypocritical for both sides. I, for one, love the fact when someone stands up for what they believe in. I've looked into the eyes of my girlfriend and whoever else was influenced by Religion and personally told them that I love the way they stand up for what they will always believe in and preached that even though there is a lot of wrong in this world.. there will always be room for personal belief and no one will ever take that away from you and that's the respect I have for anyone who steps before me.

Thanks

But to not receive the same treatment and to see some of those same faces of those same people (who I congratulated) when I say I never went to Church, nor will I ever is a true kick in the nuts. The emotion shows of true sin and dis-taste. People have pushed the issue of Church with me many times, and as I maturely disapproved, I was still dis-respected in a way and was trying to be made out to be a fool.

I have no problem with those who are atheists as long as they treat me as they would want to be treated. I can honestly tell you that I've never browbeaten anyone simply for being an atheist. I have responded in kind as far as the kinds of comments in this thread but perhaps I shouldn't have even done that.

Here's a question for those people... how about you convert to Atheism for ONE DAY to see if you would like it JUST TO SEE WHAT IT IS LIKE and go to many social gatherings of nothing but slammage of atheism down your throat?


No?? What do you mean no? "BUT maybe it will change your perception of things and maybe you will understand this way of living! (Disgusted face) I'm picking you up tomorrow and you will see first hand of what it's like. I guarantee you it will change your mind and make you feel better that you took the time to just go!"

Not fun, eh?

Christians go through the same thing all the time. Look at how we are portrayed in the mainstream media, movies, television, internet message boards like this one, etc.

[Enigma869]

Here's a question for those people... how about you convert to Atheism for ONE DAY to see if you would like it JUST TO SEE WHAT IT IS LIKE and go to many social gatherings of nothing but slammage of atheism down your throat?

I can tell you that my experience in life has been that those who describe themselves as "Atheist" usually aren't slamming their beliefs down anyone's throat. I think religion has the market cornered on that front. I've never once heard an Atheist openly preach to anyone about why they shouldn't believe that God exists. I'm not saying it has never happened, but I haven't ever come across it. If I had a nickel for every religious yahoo who preached to me in my life, I would have retired, quite comfortably, MANY years ago!


John from Boston

[conversationpc]

I can tell you that my experience in life has been that those who describe themselves as "Atheist" usually aren't slamming their beliefs down anyone's throat. I think religion has the market cornered on that front. I've never once heard an Atheist openly preach to anyone about why they shouldn't believe that God exists. I'm not saying it has never happened, but I haven't ever come across it. If I had a nickel for every religious yahoo who preached to me in my life, I would have retired, quite comfortably, MANY years ago!

I've seen and heard of atheists doing this a number of times. I would guess that the percentage of atheists who behave this way isn't far off from supposed "religious" folks doing the same thing.

[Enigma869]

Christians go through the same thing all the time. Look at how we are portrayed in the mainstream media, movies, television, internet message boards like this one, etc.

Well for what it's worth Dave, I'm an ecumenical abuser! "Christian" isn't the issue for me, at all! It's ALL organized religion that I think is a complete farce! I can honestly say that if organized religion paid their taxes just like every other business (and let's not kid ourselves...it's an ENORMOUS business in some parts of this country), and people didn't try converting everyone to pray to their god, and the Catholic church didn't have so many pedophiles, and religious extremists didn't commit so many terrorists attacks, in the name of their religion, I'd have far fewer issues with religion!


John from Boston

[Enigma869]

I would guess that the percentage of atheists who behave this way isn't far off from supposed "religious" folks doing the same thing.

Well, as I said, from my experience, I would disagree. As far as I know, there are is no Atheist Doctrine that impores all Atheists to go out and spread the word, like many denominations of the "Christian" religion do! Most Atheists I've come across could give a rat's ass about religion, and as a result of which, never even bring the topic up!


John from Boston

[RossValoryRocks]

I would guess that the percentage of atheists who behave this way isn't far off from supposed "religious" folks doing the same thing.

Well, as I said, from my experience, I would disagree. As far as I know, there are is no Atheist Doctrine that impores all Atheists to go out and spread the word, like many denominations of the "Christian" religion do! Most Atheists I've come across could give a rat's ass about religion, and as a result of which, never even bring the topic up!


John from Boston

Read the whole thread here...the whole thing...it is nothing BUT people slamming Christians and other religions, while none of the Christians here have so much as uttered a single remark in the negative toward people who do not believe.

I think this is what Dave is getting at.

[YoungJRNY]

Christians go through the same thing all the time. Look at how we are portrayed in the mainstream media, movies, television, internet message boards like this one, etc.

Well for what it's worth Dave, I'm an ecumenical abuser! "Christian" isn't the issue for me, at all! It's ALL organized religion that I think is a complete farce! I can honestly say that if organized religion paid their taxes just like every other business (and let's not kid ourselves...it's an ENORMOUS business in some parts of this country), and people didn't try converting everyone to pray to their god, and the Catholic church didn't have so many pedophiles, and religious extremists didn't commit so many terrorists attacks, in the name of their religion, I'd have far fewer issues with religion!


John from Boston

+ 1,000

[artist4perry]

I would guess that the percentage of atheists who behave this way isn't far off from supposed "religious" folks doing the same thing.

Well, as I said, from my experience, I would disagree. As far as I know, there are is no Atheist Doctrine that impores all Atheists to go out and spread the word, like many denominations of the "Christian" religion do! Most Atheists I've come across could give a rat's ass about religion, and as a result of which, never even bring the topic up!


John from Boston

Read the whole thread here...the whole thing...it is nothing BUT people slamming Christians and other religions, while none of the Christians here have so much as uttered a single remark in the negative toward people who do not believe.

I think this is what Dave is getting at.

They don't see that. They just want to say we are wrong, they are right. Very Open minded, very tollerent.

[Enigma869]

Read the whole thread here...the whole thing...it is nothing BUT people slamming Christians and other religions, while none of the Christians here have so much as uttered a single remark in the negative toward people who do not believe.

I think this is what Dave is getting at.

I read the whole thread, omnipotent one! The thread is about people offering opinions. I have just as big of a problem with some dopey Jehovah's Witness coming to my door preaching do me as I have with a "Christian" or a "Jew" trying to convert me to their way of thinking. As I said, it makes ZERO difference to me what God you happen to pray to. Pray away and leave the rest of us out of it! Also, I do recall a person or two in this thread making comments about those who do not believe going to hell or something to that effect. I would actually consider that to be "negative toward people who do not believe", even though you apparently do not!


John from Boston

[artist4perry]

Read the whole thread here...the whole thing...it is nothing BUT people slamming Christians and other religions, while none of the Christians here have so much as uttered a single remark in the negative toward people who do not believe.

I think this is what Dave is getting at.

I read the whole thread, omnipotent one! The thread is about people offering opinions. I have just as big of a problem with some dopey Jehovah's Witness coming to my door preaching do me as I have with a "Christian" or a "Jew" trying to convert me to their way of thinking. As I said, it makes ZERO difference to me what God you happen to pray to. Pray away and leave the rest of us out of it! Also, I do recall a person or two in this thread making comments about those who do not believe going to hell or something to that effect. I would actually consider that to be "negative toward people who do not believe", even though you apparently do not!
John from Boston

Can you offer your oppinion with a little less hostility. We get it, you hate Christians. You won't be the first I have encountered, nor the last. But I will still love you. Ironic isn't it?

[RossValoryRocks]

Read the whole thread here...the whole thing...it is nothing BUT people slamming Christians and other religions, while none of the Christians here have so much as uttered a single remark in the negative toward people who do not believe.

I think this is what Dave is getting at.

I read the whole thread, omnipotent one! The thread is about people offering opinions. I have just as big of a problem with some dopey Jehovah's Witness coming to my door preaching do me as I have with a "Christian" or a "Jew" trying to convert me to their way of thinking. As I said, it makes ZERO difference to me what God you happen to pray to. Pray away and leave the rest of us out of it! Also, I do recall a person or two in this thread making comments about those who do not believe going to hell or something to that effect. I would actually consider that to be "negative toward people who do not believe", even though you apparently do not!


John from Boston

I didn't see any saying people who don't believe are going to hell, I did see people say that they believe the what to Heaven is through Jesus Christ...a bit of a difference there don't you agree?

I too have a problem with the JH, Mormons and other crowds coming to my house to try and convert me...but I fixed it...I had my friend lay down on my front porch, I drew a chalk outline, put up some police tape and threw a couple of their pamphlets in the middle of the outline, got some cows blood from a local butcher and dribbled it around with some spent shotgun shells...BINGO no more Saturday conversion calls!

[iLex]

What Happens When We Die?

What was your first interview like with someone who had reported an out-of-body experience?

Eye-opening and very humbling. Because what you see is that, first of all, they are completely genuine people who are not looking for any kind of fame or attention. In many cases they haven't even told anybody else about it because they're afraid of what people will think of them. I have about 500 or so cases of people that I've interviewed since I first started out more than 10 years ago. It's the consistency of the experiences, the reality of what they were describing. I managed to speak to doctors and nurses who had been present who said these patients had told them exactly what had happened, and they couldn't explain it. I actually documented a few of those in my book What Happens When We Die because I wanted people to get both angles - not just the patients' side but also the doctors' side - and see how it feels for the doctors to have a patient come back and tell them what was going on. There was a cardiologist that I spoke with who said he hasn't told anyone else about it because he has no explanation for how this patient could have been able to describe in detail what he had said and done. He was so freaked out by it that he just decided not to think about it anymore.

Pinpointing the Source of the Out-of-Body Experience...
http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/editors/21907/

"To test whether people who report out-of-body experiences are truly outside their body, the scientist suggested putting cards on the ceiling of an emergency room, with symbols posted on the side facing up. If the person really was floating above him- or herself, he or she would be able to read the cards."

UK scientists already started this test in 2002 and are still waiting for the first one to "see" the symbols.

Also, in the meantime scientists have developed some a helmet with electromagnetic stimulation which creates the same kind of experience. 2 modes actually...
Mode 1: Makes one "feel" an appearance, like someone is walking by.
Mode 2: Creates an out-of-body-experience.

[RedWingFan]

Christians go through the same thing all the time. Look at how we are portrayed in the mainstream media, movies, television, internet message boards like this one, etc.

Well for what it's worth Dave, I'm an ecumenical abuser! "Christian" isn't the issue for me, at all! It's ALL organized religion that I think is a complete farce!

Jesus Christ was not a farce. What happened to Erin Browning and the peace Christ gave to her mother Laurie isn't a farce either. It's a bit of a long read but it's worth it.

Laurie Edwards watched her little girl gasping for air and wanted to breathe for her. She wanted the Maker of breaths to swoop in and fill her child's lungs and dissolve every tumor with His mere glance. She wanted another miracle.

It was the early morning of Saturday, October 30, 2004. Ten-year-old Erin Browning lay in a hospice bed in her home, in such pain and shortness of breath that, in fear and exasperation, she could manage only one request of her mother.

"Just read the Scriptures!" she said.

So Laurie began reading the Scriptures. She included Erin's favorite passage, Proverbs 3:5-6. From 1 a.m. until 5 a.m., loved ones took turns reading aloud the Word of God over a child in the last, cruelest stages of cancer's grip. Little Erin had battled for more than three years.

And now the end was near. Laurie tried to refuse to believe it, but her trust in the Lord remained steadfast. She was frightened and faithful all at once. She prayed for an eleventh-hour miracle. And she kept reading the Scriptures, as Erin had asked.

At one point, Laurie placed her Bible on the floor and stood on it, literally standing on the Word of God as she read over her child. Finally, after the long night of reading Scripture followed by another long night of hopeful prayer, Laurie consented for a hospice nurse to administer an IV with medicine that essentially placed Erin in a painless coma on Sunday afternoon. There would be no more gasping for breath.

*****

I met Erin Browning on Valentine's Day, 2004 at Westover Church in Greensboro, North Carolina. Erin loved Casting Crowns, and, after six years of dance lessons, had choreographed a dance to our song "Here I Go Again." When Laurie initially contacted us, we made arrangements to meet their family before that concert. Three months later, Erin danced for the last time as her mother and two sisters joined her for a performance of "Here I Go Again" at The Carolina Theatre.

I was gripped by the imagery of Laurie's standing on her Bible and quoting Scripture over her sick little girl. After all the e-mail updates and prayers, that moment melted my heart and sparked the lyrics to this song.

I kept up with Erin's condition through Laurie's e-mails detailing the family's wrenching ordeal. Every e-mail described a change in Erin's condition. One e-mail would offer hope: "There is a new treatment, so please be praying." So we'd pray, and then the next e-mail would report, "It's not working."

Sometimes Laurie had questions: "What's going on? I feel like I'm all alone in this." But her love of Jesus remained fervent even though she questioned what was going on and didn't really understand the reasons. It was raw, rare faith, and it was inspiring.

On June 21, 2004, I e-mailed Laurie to tell her that I was writing a song for Erin entitled "Praise You in This Storm." Upon the news, Erin screamed so loud that it hurt Laurie's ears. Erin never got to hear the song, but Laurie heard it for the first time when her mother bought the CD on the day it was released and took it to the school where Laurie works. The two women sat in the car, listened to the song, and "cried and cried and cried."

"Erin would be so happy to know that other people were being touched by something written for her, because she was never about herself. She was about other people," Laurie said. "Other kids at school would say 'I want to be like Erin.' And she would say, 'No, you don't. You want to be like Jesus.'"

I was impressed with Laurie's faith, but Laurie will tell you how much she was impressed with Erin's faith. Erin was six years old when she prayed to receive Christ. She was diagnosed with cancer when she was seven, and by the time she was eight she was visiting area churches to give her testimony.

Four months after Erin was first diagnosed, a second bone scan revealed that the cancer was gone. Doctors called the results remarkable. Laurie and Erin called it a miracle. Emboldened by the Lord's clear hand in her life, she began regularly sharing her faith and giving her testimony.

"She had a desire to reach people to let them know there is no hope or joy without God. And even though she had reason in her life not to be happy, she was joyful because she had Jesus in her heart," Laurie said. "She wasn't afraid. She let the Lord speak through her, and when she would get up and speak it was like I wasn't listening to my own daughter. He would put words in her mouth, and it was just awesome."

But the cancer eventually returned, and this time, it didn't go away. The tumors grew so large that they displaced organs and created a visible bulge in Erin's chest. They pressed down on her spleen, pushed her heart to the right, and deviated her trachea, straining her breathing.

Near the end, Laurie's e-mail updates were desperate. Her last one before Erin's death was a simple request in all caps: "PLEASE PRAY FOR ERIN!" It was the night in which Laurie stood on her Bible during the four hours of Scripture reading. The weekend crept into Saturday, when at 1:15 a.m. the hospice nurse told Laurie that Erin's vital signs and statistics suggested she had only approximately 20 minutes to live.

Fifty-one hours later, [she] finally gave up her fight. Erin Browning went home at 4:24 a.m. on November 1, 2004.

Laurie still doesn't fully understand what happened next. She remembers only a tremendous peace and describes it as being under the shower of the Holy Spirit. She held Erin's body for 90 minutes while her daughter played in heaven.

"It was not like how I expected her last minutes to be. I thought I'd be hysterical, but I wasn't," Laurie said. "But she was where she always wanted to be. She told me when she was six years old that she couldn't wait to get to heaven. She said she had felt an emptiness in her heart, but when she asked Jesus into her heart she never felt it again because Jesus had filled her and would never leave her. For the 10 years she was on this earth, God used her in a remarkable, powerful way.

"I've learned that He can use an average, ordinary family to do extraordinary things and that He continues to use us despite ourselves," Laurie said. "How He has done that is beyond me. But He has a plan and purpose. A lot of times I may not like His plan, but I accept it. I'm just honored that He chose to use Erin and this family as He has."

Through it all, I was captured not just by Laurie's faith but also by her worship. She had the worship of Job:

The Lord gave, and the Lord has taken away; blessed be the name of the Lord.
Job 1:21

I have a son and two daughters, and I was amazed at how Laurie faced a parent's greatest fear. It doesn't mean that she wasn't angry. It doesn't mean that she wasn't sad or doubtful, but at the base of it she was leaning on God even if she was angry, sad, or doubtful. I was reminded once again that just because we cannot see God's purpose does not mean He doesn't have one. I was reminded that God is faithful, regardless of the circumstances. I was reminded that God is sovereign, and we're not.

Finally, I was reminded that we cannot control how long our lifesongs last. We only can control how loud we sing them. Little Erin lived out loud for Jesus.

[artist4perry]

All I can say is faith gives people hope, where there is none, strenght when they are weary, and peace in a world that knows none. It makes me compelled to love my enemies, be faithful to my husband, strive to be a good mother, and see to the needs of others. Like me hate me, I will still care for you.

[iceberg]

All I can say is faith gives people hope, where there is none, strenght when they are weary, and peace in a world that knows none. It makes me compelled to love my enemies, be faithful to my husband, strive to be a good mother, and see to the needs of others. Like me hate me, I will still care for you.

<high 5>

[Enigma869]

I too have a problem with the JH, Mormons and other crowds coming to my house to try and convert me...but I fixed it...I had my friend lay down on my front porch, I drew a chalk outline, put up some police tape and threw a couple of their pamphlets in the middle of the outline, got some cows blood from a local butcher and dribbled it around with some spent shotgun shells...BINGO no more Saturday conversion calls!

That is funny shit! I just have a sign on my door that says "If you're here to bother me about your religion, I don't give a shit. Perhaps one of my neighbors will."


John from Boston

[Enigma869]

We get it, you hate Christians. You won't be the first I have encountered, nor the last. But I will still love you. Ironic isn't it?

Completely MORONIC statement! Listen...you don't know anything about me, so don't come on this board and tell me that I "hate" anyone! I clearly have no use for organized religion of any kind. That said, my mother happens to consider herself "Chrisitan", as do most of my family members, so I can assure you that I don't "hate" Christians!


John from Boston

[artist4perry]

We get it, you hate Christians. You won't be the first I have encountered, nor the last. But I will still love you. Ironic isn't it?

Completely MORONIC statement! Listen...you don't know anything about me, so don't come on this board and tell me that I "hate" anyone! I clearly have no use for organized religion of any kind. That said, my mother happens to consider herself "Chrisitan", as do most of my family members, so I can assure you that I don't "hate" Christians!


John from Boston

I love you John! LOL! I am sorry if I was wrong about you hating Christians, but that was the impression you give. I am glad to hear you do not! I would appreciate you toning down the hostility. I am not angry with you, just trying to have a civil conversation.

[iLex]

Would you really believe even if you were shown the evidence? Be honest, you wouldn't. "Having eyes to see, they see not. Having ears to hear, they hear not"

I would, really. I'm an atheist because to me there is no reason to believe in supernatural powers. I used to believe in them for the first 25 years of my life though, until I slowly started to realize I got fooled.
If the religious indoctrination during my childhood would have been stronger, I most probably would still have been stuck in the bubble...
http://www.boreme.com/boreme/funny-2006 ... nal-p1.php

(my paraphrase).

You're right. Religious indoctrination IS everywhere. Let's not be dishonest, though, and pretend it doesn't exist from the atheist side.

I'm talking about kids indoctrination. They are most sensitive to it. Youngsters who get religiously indoctrinated most often become religion indoctrinating parents. That's why Richard Dawkins calls it "The Virus Of Faith".
One of the previous posts is about kids being able to study the bible during breaks. Simply outrageous, unbelievable this still exists. No kid would read the bible if it wasn't systematically indoctrinated by it's parents.

From Wikipedia:
Indoctrination is the process of inculcating ideas, attitudes, cognitive strategies or a professional methodology. It is often distinguished from education by the fact that the indoctrinated person is expected not to question or critically examine the doctrine they have learned. As such it is used pejoratively. Instruction in the basic principles of science, in particular, can not properly be called indoctrination, in the sense that the fundamental principals of science call for critical self-evaluation and skeptical scrutiny of one's own ideas.

[conversationpc]

I would, really. I'm an atheist because to me there is no reason to believe in supernatural powers. I used to believe in them for the first 25 years of my life though, until I slowly started to realize I got fooled.
If the religious indoctrination during my childhood would have been stronger, I most probably would still have been stuck in the bubble...

Our stories are basically opposite then. I wasn't "indoctrinated" with religion as a child but found Christ myself at the age of 18.

I'm talking about kids indoctrination. They are most sensitive to it. Youngsters who get religiously indoctrinated most often become religion indoctrinating parents. That's why Richard Dawkins calls it "The Virus Of Faith".

That's the prerogative of the parents. If they want to raise their child in their own faith, atheism, agnosticism, or whatever, they should have the right to do so.

One of the previous posts is about kids being able to study the bible during breaks. Simply outrageous, unbelievable this still exists. No kid would read the bible if it wasn't systematically indoctrinated by it's parents.

Wrong...I've seen children who've grown up without any religious indoctrination at all instinctively aware of God. It happens quite often and I've worked with children now for going on 19 years.

Besides that, there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING wrong with any child reading a Bible during a break or recess at school if that's what they wish to do. To take away that right would mean a loss of freedom, which should be available for all to enjoy.

[artist4perry]

Would you really believe even if you were shown the evidence? Be honest, you wouldn't. "Having eyes to see, they see not. Having ears to hear, they hear not"

I would, really. I'm an atheist because to me there is no reason to believe in supernatural powers. I used to believe in them for the first 25 years of my life though, until I slowly started to realize I got fooled.
If the religious indoctrination during my childhood would have been stronger, I most probably would still have been stuck in the bubble...
http://www.boreme.com/boreme/funny-2006 ... nal-p1.php

(my paraphrase).

You're right. Religious indoctrination IS everywhere. Let's not be dishonest, though, and pretend it doesn't exist from the atheist side.

I'm talking about kids indoctrination. They are most sensitive to it. Youngsters who get religiously indoctrinated most often become religion indoctrinating parents. That's why Richard Dawkins calls it "The Virus Of Faith".
One of the previous posts is about kids being able to study the bible during breaks. Simply outrageous, unbelievable this still exists. No kid would read the bible if it wasn't systematically indoctrinated by it's parents.

From Wikipedia:
Indoctrination is the process of inculcating ideas, attitudes, cognitive strategies or a professional methodology. It is often distinguished from education by the fact that the indoctrinated person is expected not to question or critically examine the doctrine they have learned. As such it is used pejoratively. Instruction in the basic principles of science, in particular, can not properly be called indoctrination, in the sense that the fundamental principals of science call for critical self-evaluation and skeptical scrutiny of one's own ideas.

Funny, my husband wasn't raised a christian, but became one as a teanager. He was just curious, and read up on it. What is this need to put down Christianity for some of you anyway?

[iLex]

All I can say is faith gives people hope, where there is none,

False hope, cause it changes no facts. That would be science, not faith.

strenght when they are weary,

Whatever works for you. I prefer an espresso and a bar of chocolate in the morning.

and peace in a world that knows none.

Are you blind for all the religion-related conflicts in the world?
Oh yeah right, that's not your religion... maybe not in this time and place but basically it's the same wine in different bags.

It makes me compelled to love my enemies, be faithful to my husband, strive to be a good mother, and see to the needs of others. Like me hate me, I will still care for you.

Unfortunately Christian societies have no less felonies, rape and divorce than atheist ones.

But as said, whatever works for you...

[artist4perry]

All I can say is faith gives people hope, where there is none,

False hope, cause it changes no facts. That would be science, not faith.

strenght when they are weary,

Whatever works for you. I prefer an espresso and a bar of chocolate in the morning.

and peace in a world that knows none.

Are you blind for all the religion-related conflicts in the world?
Oh yeah right, that's not your religion... maybe not in this time and place but basically it's the same wine in different bags.

It makes me compelled to love my enemies, be faithful to my husband, strive to be a good mother, and see to the needs of others. Like me hate me, I will still care for you.

Unfortunately Christian societies have no less felonies, rape and divorce than atheist ones.

But as said, whatever works for you...

And yet you still need to bash every thread that is possitive. What works for me, works for me, what works for you, works for you. I am sorry you cannot understand what I wrote. But what compelled you to shoot it down? Maybe that is a question you should ask yourself. I have harmed no one. If I do, I appologize. I can only try to be the best person I can be. No more no less. I just wrote what faith means to me. I did not ask for you to tear my words apart to build your ego up.

[conversationpc]

http://www.boreme.com/boreme/funny-2006/delusional-p1.php

Boy, if that isn't one of the most hateful sites I've ever visited. Interesting how it claims everyone who believes in religion are the delusional ones but not them. They must be the chosen ones, sent to enlighten everyone else to the truth that is atheism.

Finally, the closing statement is rather humorous...

My goal here is not to criticize you for your religious beliefs, but instead to help you to recover from your delusion.

Boy, the hypocrisy of that statement is simply astounding. Not criticizing?

[conversationpc]

And yet you still need to bash every thread that is possitive. What works for me, works for me, what works for you, works for you. I am sorry you cannot understand what I wrote. But what compelled you to shoot it down? Maybe that is a question you should ask yourself. I have harmed no one. If I do, I appologize. I can only try to be the best person I can be. No more no less. I just wrote what faith means to me. I did not ask for you to tear my words apart to build your ego up.

You're just delusional, you know.

[artist4perry]

And yet you still need to bash every thread that is possitive. What works for me, works for me, what works for you, works for you. I am sorry you cannot understand what I wrote. But what compelled you to shoot it down? Maybe that is a question you should ask yourself. I have harmed no one. If I do, I appologize. I can only try to be the best person I can be. No more no less. I just wrote what faith means to me. I did not ask for you to tear my words apart to build your ego up.

You're just delusional, you know.

If Delusional means happy, content, and joyful, yup I am delusional.........Feels good doesn't it?

[conversationpc]

And yet you still need to bash every thread that is possitive. What works for me, works for me, what works for you, works for you. I am sorry you cannot understand what I wrote. But what compelled you to shoot it down? Maybe that is a question you should ask yourself. I have harmed no one. If I do, I appologize. I can only try to be the best person I can be. No more no less. I just wrote what faith means to me. I did not ask for you to tear my words apart to build your ego up.

You're just delusional, you know.

If Delusional means happy, content, and joyful, yup I am delusional.........Feels good doesn't it?

"The preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness but unto us which are saved it is the power of God." (1st Corinthians 1:18 ).

[artist4perry]

And yet you still need to bash every thread that is possitive. What works for me, works for me, what works for you, works for you. I am sorry you cannot understand what I wrote. But what compelled you to shoot it down? Maybe that is a question you should ask yourself. I have harmed no one. If I do, I appologize. I can only try to be the best person I can be. No more no less. I just wrote what faith means to me. I did not ask for you to tear my words apart to build your ego up.

You're just delusional, you know.

If Delusional means happy, content, and joyful, yup I am delusional.........Feels good doesn't it?

"The preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness but unto us which are saved it is the power of God." (1st Corinthians 1:18 ).

Gotta love em..!