The 2008 US Presidential Election Thread

[BobbyinTN]

Hillary would crush Palin in any debate or campaign, and youknow it.

Biden is a good debator and even he couldn't "crush" Palin. Hillary would have no chance of doing it, either.

Biden was too polite with Palin. I think Hillary would have torn her apart. Honestly, it'd be unfair to Palin to have to debate a woman as smart and experienced as Hillary Clinton.

[Lula]

Biden was too polite with Palin. .

That was Biden's marching orders. He was not to go after her. They have a huge if not insurmountable lead. No need to fuck with victory. So the right wing lemmings see Sarah winning...the rest of the nation saw it Biden 51- Palin 24.

Scoreboard never lies. God it feels good kicking ass here again. Where is that fruit Fact Funder? Time to clean his clock too.

[BobbyinTN]

Biden was too polite with Palin. .

That was Biden's marching orders. He was not to go after her. They have a huge if not insurmountable lead. No need to fuck with victory. So the right wing lemmings see Sarah winning...the rest of the nation saw it Biden 51- Palin 24.

Scoreboard never lies. God it feels good kicking ass here again. Where is that fruit Fact Funder? Time to clean his clock too.

The thing is we have to really tighten up right now and keep pushing. This could be a popular vote and electoral landslide as long as someone in the Obama camp doesn't fuck it up.

I agree to play it as it's been played and only counter what they put out. Obama seemed in control and even tempered in the last "debate" and he should keep that up. He's the best man for the job.

[stevew2]

Maybe if he had known how to fly a plane without crashing, he wouldn't have been captured. He seem to have a habit of crashing planes and killing innocent people.

He was shot down, moron. Did your semen well run dry or something? You've got your panties in a bunch today, sunshine.

Why are you so concerned with my semen? You curious?

I'm going commando, if that helps your fantasy any.

He was a "Songbird" spilling his guts for oranges, cigarettes and medical treatment.

Here's some more of his flawless record.

http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmc ... five_u.htm

I used to go commando till I got my nuts stuck in the zipper, buy some panties, take care of your shit

Sounds to me like your wearing your balls too high. Adjust them a little. Maybe that's why you sing soprano.

Thats what Perry did,if its good enough for him, its good enough for me

[The_Noble_Cause]

Hillary would crush Palin in any debate or campaign, and youknow it.

Biden is a good debator and even he couldn't "crush" Palin. Hillary would have no chance of doing it, either.

That was not the same Joe Biden who routinely took no prisoners during the primaries.
Even Pat Buchanan complained Biden left his personality at home.
He seemed more concerned coming off gentleman-ly than anything.
A politician with no PC concerns about being labeled a mysoginist could easily crush her.

[conversationpc]

Biden is a good debator and even he couldn't "crush" Palin. Hillary would have no chance of doing it, either.

You stupid bastard, that wasn't a debate. There were no back and forth. That was a structured setting, where she was allowed to give her talking points. And if you could not see that, or you won't admit that, you don't belong in this thread. Now I know you are smarter than this Dave, so cut the dumbshit act. She just gave out robotic answers and sometimes, when she was short on info, she just blurted out Maverick and drill baby drill.

LOL, you can't be this fuckin dumb.

Are you kidding...Biden thinks too much of himself to purposely go easy on her. He may not have been nasty with her but he used all the "facts" at his disposal that he would've used in any other debate. Vitriol doesn't make you a better debator. Notice I'm also not saying he lost the debate. Far from it. I actually thought he was pretty good but he certainly didn't clean her clock.

As far as you kicking ass here again...Please!

[RossValoryRocks]

He's the best man for the job.

Are you smoking crack??? He is the best man currently running for the job, MAYBE.

There are hundreds of people more qualified to be President than Obama on BOTH sides of the political isle.

I would vote in a heartbeat for Hillary Clinton over Obama.

I would vote for BIDEN over Obama.

Barrack Obama will be the next President and it will be a fucking disaster.

[Don]

The only thing that could derail Obama is the Bradley effect. Tom Bradley was leading all polls by around 11 points up to the day of voting for California Governor. When the curtain was drawn however, people, knowing that there vote was confidential, pulled the lever for Deukmejian instead and feigned surprise when Bradley lost.

[Enigma869]

Barrack Obama will be the next President and it will be a fucking disaster.

Yeah, because the past 8 years have just been soooooo prosperous, and not even close to a "disaster"


John form Boston

[Lula]

He's the best man for the job.

Are you smoking crack??? He is the best man currently running for the job, MAYBE.

There are hundreds of people more qualified to be President than Obama on BOTH sides of the political isle.

I would vote in a heartbeat for Hillary Clinton over Obama.

I would vote for BIDEN over Obama.

Barrack Obama will be the next President and it will be a fucking disaster.

First off, spell the President Elect's name correctly. It's Barack, not Barrack.

Secondly, way to go into this with an open mind. It's already fucked? Why not just nuke this place and start over? Mind you, YOUR party and YOUR president put us in this God foresaken place. Leave it to OUR party and OUR president Elect to clean YOUR shit up.

Fuckhead, send me your address, I ahave something for you and no, it isn't Anthrax

PS- Stuart, Obama may not be the best man for the job in your eyes, but nobody beat him, not even Hillary(not her fault her campaign was run by idiots with no post Super Tuesday plan).

George W Bush was probably the 176th million best man for the job and look what that shitheap accomplished?

[RossValoryRocks]

Barrack Obama will be the next President and it will be a fucking disaster.

Yeah, because the past 8 years have just been soooooo prosperous, and not even close to a "disaster"


John form Boston

You are looking back and I am looking forward. There you go again with the Mass. Liberal bullshit of "Thye did it first".

Fuck it, George Bush's place in history will be written by the historians, years down the road, no matter what you or I think about it. Also you notice I never said the last 8 years were the greatest.

If you think Obama is going to wave his wand and make everything alright you are retarded and should probably be put in an asylum somewhere.

You think the economy is bad now, wait till he raises the captial gains taxes, wait until he raises the taxes on the people that supply all the seed capital for others to start businesses.

They did it in 1932, and it was the single biggest factor in the Great Depression lasting as long as it did.

If Bush was a disaster, Obama is going to be Katrina sized compared to a thunderstorm.

Go s

[Saint John]

The thing is we have to really tighten up right now and keep pushing.

Keep your bedroom follies with your boyfriend out of this thread. Thanks.

[conversationpc]

The thing is we have to really tighten up right now and keep pushing.

Keep your bedroom follies with your boyfriend out of this thread. Thanks.

[RossValoryRocks]

He's the best man for the job.

Are you smoking crack??? He is the best man currently running for the job, MAYBE.

There are hundreds of people more qualified to be President than Obama on BOTH sides of the political isle.

I would vote in a heartbeat for Hillary Clinton over Obama.

I would vote for BIDEN over Obama.

Barrack Obama will be the next President and it will be a fucking disaster.

First off, spell the President Elect's name correctly. It's Barack, not Barrack.

Secondly, way to go into this with an open mind. It's already fucked? Why not just nuke this place and start over? Mind you, YOUR party and YOUR president put us in this God foresaken place. Leave it to OUR party and OUR president Elect to clean YOUR shit up.

Fuckhead, send me your address, I ahave something for you and no, it isn't Anthrax

#1 I am not a republican, I am a registered Independent.
#2 I am all with nuking Washington. Vote all the shitheads out and start over.
#3 Check your...OOPS...Lula's PMs.

[Lula]

You think the economy is bad now, wait till he raises the captial gains taxes, wait until he raises the taxes on the people that supply all the seed capital for others to start businesses.

They did it in 1932, and it was the single biggest factor in the Great Depression lasting as long as it did.

If Bush was a disaster, Obama is going to be Katrina sized compared to a thunderstorm.

Go s

Dude, what were you going to say there? I was waiting for "Go suck a dick" or "Go spin" or some fuckin thing.

[Saint John]

Are you smoking crack???

Can I answer that question for Mary Poppins in absentia?

[RossValoryRocks]

You think the economy is bad now, wait till he raises the captial gains taxes, wait until he raises the taxes on the people that supply all the seed capital for others to start businesses.

They did it in 1932, and it was the single biggest factor in the Great Depression lasting as long as it did.

If Bush was a disaster, Obama is going to be Katrina sized compared to a thunderstorm.

Go s

Dude, what were you going to say there? I was waiting for "Go suck a dick" or "Go spin" or some fuckin thing.

Ooops...actually...Go search about the Great Depression...but I cut it out...because I thought it would be wasted words...no one wants to know history anymore.

[Lula]

Gotta hand it Walnuts.

"We got em right where we want em."

UH? Dude, can you not read a fucking colored map. I think he thinks the blue is his and the red is Obamas. LOL, dumbdick.

[SteveForever]

Why did the chicken cross the road?



BARACK OBAMA: The chicken crossed the road because it was time for a change! The chicken wanted change!



JOHN MCCAIN: My friends, that chicken crossed the road because he recognized the need to engage in cooperation and dialogue with all the chickens on the other side of the road.



SARAH PALIN: A moving chicken makes better sport for target practice.




HILLARY CLINTON: When I was First Lady, I personally helped that little chicken to cross the road. This experience makes me uniquely qualified to ensure (right from Day One!) that every chicken in this country gets the chance it deserves to cross the road. But then, this really isn't about me.




GEORGE W. BUSH: We don't really care why the chicken crossed the road. We just want to know if the chicken is on our side of the road, or not. The chicken is either against us, or for us. There is no middle ground here.



DICK CHENEY: Where's my gun?



COLIN POWELL: Now to the left of the screen, you can clearly see the satellite image of the chicken crossing the road.



BILL CLINTON: I did not cross the road with that chicken. What is your definition of road?



AL GORE: I invented the chicken.



JOHN KERRY: Although I voted to let the chicken cross the road, I am now against it! It was the wrong road to cross, and I was misled about the chicken's intentions. I am not for it now, and will remain against it.



AL SHARPTON: Why are all the chickens white? We need more black chickens.



DR. PHIL: The problem we have here is that this chicken won't realize that he must first deal with the problem on this side of the road before it goes after the problem on the other side of the road. What we need to do is help him realize how stupid he's acting by not taking on his current problems before adding new problems.



OPRAH: Well, I understand that this chicken is having problems, which is why he wants to cross this road so bad. So instead of having the chicken learn from his mistakes and take falls, which is a part of life, I'm going to give this chicken a car so that he can drive across the road and not live his life like the rest of the chickens.


ANDERSON COOPER, CNN: We have reason to believe there is a chicken, but we have not yet been allowed access to the other side of the road.


NANCY GRACE: That chicken crossed the road because he's guilty! You can see it in his eyes and the way he walks.



PAT BUCHANAN: To steal the job of a decent, hardworking American.



MARTHA STEWART: No one called me to warn me which way that chicken was going. I had a standing order at the Farmer's Market to sell my eggs when the price dropped to a certain level. No bird gave me any insider information about crossing.


DR SEUSS: Did the chicken cross the road? Did he cross it with a toad? Yes, the chicken crossed the road, but why it crossed I've not been told.


ERNEST HEMINGWAY: To die in the rain, alone.


JERRY FALWELL: Because the chicken was gay! Can't you people see the plain truth? That's why they call it the 'other side.' Yes, my friends, that chicken is gay. And if you eat that chicken, you may become gay, also. I say we boycott all chickens until we sort out this abomination that the liberal media whitewashes with seemingly harmless phrases like 'the other side.' That chicken should not be crossing the road. It's as plain and as simple as that.



GRANDPA: In my day we didn't ask why a chicken crossed the road. Somebody told us the chicken crossed the road, and that was good enough.


BARBARA WALTERS: Isn't that interesting? In a few moments, we will be listening to the chicken tell, for the first time, the heart warming story of how it had experienced a serious case of molting, and went on to accomplish its lifelong dream of crossing the road.



ARISTOTLE: It is the nature of chickens to cross the road.


JOHN LENNON: Imagine all the chickens crossing roads together.



BILL GATES: I have just released eChicken 2008, which will not only cross roads, but will integrate with those that lay eggs. Henhouse Explorer is an integral part of eChicken 2008. This new platform is much more stable than previous versions.


ALBERT EINSTEIN: Did the chicken really cross the road, or did the road pass beneath the chicken?


COLONEL SANDERS: Which way did he go?

[strangegrey]

The only thing that could derail Obama is the Bradley effect. Tom Bradley was leading all polls by around 11 points up to the day of voting for California Governor. When the curtain was drawn however, people, knowing that there vote was confidential, pulled the lever for Deukmejian instead and feigned surprise when Bradley lost.

Agreed. This has been speculated and the suggestion is that the polls could currently reflect an error greater than the margin, in McCain's favor...or Obama's detriment (depending on your POV). There were discussions that similar things happened to Kerry in the last presidential election...in that the exit polls did not acurately reflect the actual votes cast....

Some are also speculating that race will inflate this factor, if it does come into play.


I'm not so sure McCain has the pull to win this, despite such a suggestion...however. McCain's made some DREADED mistakes with his base during this 'crisis'....and in doing so, he's actually cast a brighter light on Obama, who's acted with a little more restraint.


My personal issue with McCain (and one of the many reasons I will NOT vote for him) is that he Bush'ed himself. Back during the '92 election, GHWB stated "Read my lips, no new taxes" and subsequently raised taxes. This issue single handedly killed any chance for a strong showing in the republican base. While I'm not looking to debate whether GHWB's tax raise was worthwhile or not....the point I'm making here is that he made a very clear and concise campaign promise and backed off it at the first sign of crissis. McCain did the same thing. He's made clear and concise campaign promises to stop pork-loading and earmarks on Bills....and the first sign of crissis, he stops his campaign, runs to washington to feign leadership, and is one of the first motherfuckers to sign the most pork ladden bill in history.

Why prospective voters aren't stomping all the fuck over McCain for this, is beyond me. He literally cornerstoned his entire fucking campaign on "washington reform" with Porkbarrel spending and earmarks at the top of the fucking list.....yet 3-4 weeks before the election, he casts YES for a bill with over $150 billion in useless fucking pork that will do very little, if anything at all, to help the many mortgage holders in this country that were fucked by wall street greed and douchebag lenders.

McCain should hang for this one error alone....but I need to add one more comment.

McCain got himself caught in an old fashioned checkmate...and anyone with half a brain could have seen it coming. The democrats made it very clear that they wouldn't pass this bailout abortion of a bill, without McCain's support....so that in the very slim chance McCain is elected president, the democrats can tack this abortion of a bill to McCain's legacy (despite who crafted it)....

Hell, Obama could have voted NO for the bailout and not received any fallout from this.

McCain was painted into a corner, hook, line and sinker....by congress. The fact that this fucking idiot could be hoodwinked by congress suggests he is completely and utterly unfit to be commander in chief.


The whole reason behind the checks and balances system of our government, is so that one body of government doesn't get more powerful than another. If the executive can get himself painted into a corner and hoodwinked by congress before he's even elected into office....that casts VERY dark prospects on his ability to execute the office AT ALL.

[Lula]

[SteveForever]

That Heart thing has gotta be fake, they aren't that classless....

[Maui Tom]

That Heart thing has gotta be fake, they aren't that classless....

It is....

http://www.snopes.com/politics/mccain/barracuda.asp

[strangegrey]

Holy crap, is that real? did the wilson sisters actually print this and run it in a publication?

[strangegrey]

That Heart thing has gotta be fake, they aren't that classless....

It is....

It's fucking funny as shite, regardless....

[S2M]

That Heart thing has gotta be fake, they aren't that classless....

If it is/was real it wouldn't be classless......two women just speaking their minds.

Really people....WTF?

[Lula]

Polifact Debunks Obama-Ayers Connection

The McCain campaign and the RNC are still using ads (e.g., like this one that link Obama and 1960s radical William Ayers. Now Polifact has examined the ads closely and concluded that the claim that Obama and Ayers ran a radical education foundation together is a "pants-on-fire" lie. While it is true that Obama was the nominal head of the foundation in question, Ayers never had a paid position on the foundation's staff, never was on the board, and never had a vote on anything. His connection to Obama was attending some board meetings that were open to the public, and this 20 years after his radical days, by which time he had reformed enough to get a Ph.D. in education from Columbia University and was able to win Chicago's "Citizen of the Year" award in 1997 for his work for nonprofit organizations. In short, while Ayers was a despicable person in his youth, the McCain campaign's relentless harping on the close relationship between Obama and Ayers is very misleading. They weren't close at all.



Time for something new guys.

[Lula]

McCain in Trouble with Latinos (Beaners)

McCain's relationship with the Latino community has been poisoned by the anti-immigrant Tancredo wing of the Republican party, but also by McCain himself. When he coauthored the McCain-Kennedy immigration bill, which would have provided a path to citizenship for 12 million illegals, many of them Latinos, he was cheered by the Latino community. For a while it looked like he could have gotten more than the 40% of the Latino vote that Bush got in 2004. But when he rejected his own bill and said he would veto it if Congress passed it, the Latinos bailed on him. Four key swing states--Florida, Colorado, Nevada, and New Mexico--have large Latino populations and he has developed a profound weakness there that is probably too late to repair. Earlier this year when McCain was forced to make a choice--between the Tancredos and the Latinos--he chose the Tancredos and he has now discovered that you reap what you sow.

[The_Noble_Cause]

My personal issue with McCain (and one of the many reasons I will NOT vote for him) is that he Bush'ed himself. Back during the '92 election, GHWB stated "Read my lips, no new taxes" and subsequently raised taxes. This issue single handedly killed any chance for a strong showing in the republican base. While I'm not looking to debate whether GHWB's tax raise was worthwhile or not....the point I'm making here is that he made a very clear and concise campaign promise and backed off it at the first sign of crissis. McCain did the same thing. He's made clear and concise campaign promises to stop pork-loading and earmarks on Bills....and the first sign of crissis, he stops his campaign, runs to washington to feign leadership, and is one of the first motherfuckers to sign the most pork ladden bill in history.

Why prospective voters aren't stomping all the fuck over McCain for this, is beyond me. He literally cornerstoned his entire fucking campaign on "washington reform" with Porkbarrel spending and earmarks at the top of the fucking list.....yet 3-4 weeks before the election, he casts YES for a bill with over $150 billion in useless fucking pork that will do very little, if anything at all, to help the many mortgage holders in this country that were fucked by wall street greed and douchebag lenders.

McCain should hang for this one error alone....but I need to add one more comment.

McCain got himself caught in an old fashioned checkmate...and anyone with half a brain could have seen it coming. The democrats made it very clear that they wouldn't pass this bailout abortion of a bill, without McCain's support....so that in the very slim chance McCain is elected president, the democrats can tack this abortion of a bill to McCain's legacy (despite who crafted it)....

Hell, Obama could have voted NO for the bailout and not received any fallout from this.

McCain was painted into a corner, hook, line and sinker....by congress. The fact that this fucking idiot could be hoodwinked by congress suggests he is completely and utterly unfit to be commander in chief.

Voting against the bailout provided each candidate the opportunity to drastically distinguish themself from the other.
The fact that neither of them could do it should give one a clue as to how beholden to Wall Street both really are.

[conversationpc]

Voting against the bailout provided each candidate the opportunity to drastically distinguish themself from the other.
The fact that neither of them could do it should give one a clue as to how beholden to Wall Street both really are.

Exactly...

Holy crap...Agreement.