OT: Has McCain Thrown in the Towel?

[RossValoryRocks]

I heard just heard an Obama supporter call in and say "How is someone going to get experience if you don't give them a chance to learn" Is it just me?

Fine..but I don't think the Presidency lends itself to on the job training...Oh wait...the Democrat VP nominee said that about the Presidential nominee? Or was that Hillary?

[7 Wishes]

Hmm...well, I stand corrected (again). The last time I read anything she opined, she was definitely on the Right Team.

Anyway, Noonan IS full of shit. She can't cover a blunder this big:

After a segment with NBC's Chuck Todd ended today, Republican consultant Mike Murphy and Wall Street Journal columnist Peggy Noonan were caught on a live mike ridiculing the choice of Sarah Palin.

"It's over," said Noonan, who then responded to a question of whether Palin is the most qualified Republican woman McCain could have chosen.

"The most qualified? No. I think they went for this — excuse me — political bullshit about narratives," she said. "Every time the Republicans do that, because that's not where they live and it's not what they're good at, they blow it."

[Barb]

I heard just heard an Obama supporter call in and say "How is someone going to get experience if you don't give them a chance to learn" Is it just me?

Fine..but I don't think the Presidency lends itself to on the job training...Oh wait...the Democrat VP nominee said that about the Presidential nominee? Or was that Hillary?

Or as Sarah put it... "the presidency of the united states is not a journey of self discovery".

[RossValoryRocks]

Hmm...well, I stand corrected (again). The last time I read anything she opined, she was definitely on the Right Team.

Anyway, Noonan IS full of shit. She can't cover a blunder this big:

After a segment with NBC's Chuck Todd ended today, Republican consultant Mike Murphy and Wall Street Journal columnist Peggy Noonan were caught on a live mike ridiculing the choice of Sarah Palin.

"It's over," said Noonan, who then responded to a question of whether Palin is the most qualified Republican woman McCain could have chosen.

"The most qualified? No. I think they went for this — excuse me — political bullshit about narratives," she said. "Every time the Republicans do that, because that's not where they live and it's not what they're good at, they blow it."

I would agree...Noonan did a no no...

[7 Wishes]

Believe me, I have concerns about Obama's lack of experience, too. If McCain hadn't suddenly associated himself with Bush in almost every way, he would still have my vote...

[RossValoryRocks]

Believe me, I have concerns about Obama's lack of experience, too. If McCain hadn't suddenly associated himself with Bush in almost every way, he would still have my vote...

Actually he is very much different than Bush...go back and take another closer look, and don't let the rhetoric (from EITHER side) sway your opinion.

Dig for the facts and then make your decision...I think John McCain will surprise you a lot.

[csiako]

PALIN: "I have protected

Dude, give it up Obama and Biden are toast. They are going to get slaughtered in the debates.

At this point NOBODY knows what Palin will be like on her feet.
Tonight only proved a guy named Mathew Scully can write a sufficiently nasty Rove-esque VP speech, and Palin knows how to deliver it.

Palin: Obama is unfit to lead. Obama: I don’t approve of your speechwriter.

[Barb]

PALIN: "I have protected

Dude, give it up Obama and Biden are toast. They are going to get slaughtered in the debates.

At this point NOBODY knows what Palin will be like on her feet.
Tonight only proved a guy named Mathew Scully can write a sufficiently nasty Rove-esque VP speech, and Palin knows how to deliver it.

Palin: Obama is unfit to lead. Obama: I don’t approve of your speechwriter.

I don't think she has an 80% approval rating as governor because she's stupid and can't think on her feet. She is fantastic, natural and a normal freaking woman. Not an uptight, phony politician. The media actually did her a big favor by drawing so much attention her these past few days. How many more people tuned in to check this woman out because of that and were instantly impressed?

[The_Noble_Cause]

Actually he is very much different than Bush...go back and take another closer look,

Ok. List three issues on which they diverge. Just three.

[csiako]

Actually he is very much different than Bush...go back and take another closer look,

Ok. List three issues on which they diverge. Just three.

earmarks, surge and torture

[The_Noble_Cause]

earmarks, surge and torture

LOL.
So Bush wasn't in favor of the surge? That's a new one.
As far as torture is concerned, McCain already flip-flopped on that during the primaries, voting against a bill that would have banned it.

Try again.

[csiako]

earmarks, surge and torture

LOL.
So Bush wasn't in favor of the surge? That's a new one.
As far as torture is concerned, McCain already flip-flopped on that during the primaries, voting against a bill that would have banned it.

Try again.

Bush wasnt.. till it gotten signs of success.
McCain is against torture

[The_Noble_Cause]

Bush wasnt.. till it gotten signs of success.

It was Bush who posed the idea at the eleventh hour when he practically had zero political capital.

McCain is against torture

His vote on the intelligence bill last Feb. would point otherwise.
You have him confused with the old McCain.

[csiako]

Bush wasnt.. till it gotten signs of success.

It was Bush who posed the idea at the eleventh hour when he practically had zero political capital.

McCain is against torture

His vote on the intelligence bill last Feb. would point otherwise.
You have him confused with the old McCain.

and McCain probably would have done the surge from the get go

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-ta ... id=topnews
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 03318.html

[The_Noble_Cause]

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-ta ... id=topnews
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 03318.html

Talk about being hoisted by one's own petard...
Square in the middle of the article, on the issue of McCain's 2005 anti-torture act, it clearly states.."Earlier this year, McCain voted against making the CIA subject to the act"

Thanks for playing.

[The_Noble_Cause]

and McCain probably would have done the surge from the get go

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-ta ... id=topnews
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 03318.html

Bullshit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-a5T0HsJpw

[csiako]

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-ta ... id=topnews
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 03318.html

Talk about being hoisted by one's own petard...
Square in the middle of the article, on the issue of McCain's 2005 anti-torture act, it clearly states.."Earlier this year, McCain voted against making the CIA subject to the act"

Thanks for playing.

"It's not a vote for torture," Scheunemann said. "This wasn't a vote on waterboarding. This was a vote on applying the standards of the field manual to CIA personnel."

[The_Noble_Cause]

"It's not a vote for torture," Scheunemann said. "This wasn't a vote on waterboarding. This was a vote on applying the standards of the field manual to CIA personnel."

Yes, the field manual...which happens to BAN TORTURE.
The article even acknowledges that the legislation was sponsored by "anti-torture advocates."
McCain flipflopped to curry favor with the hard right of his party.

[Don]

You can't pick and choose which forms of torture are acceptable. You're either for or against.

[csiako]

and McCain probably would have done the surge from the get go

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-ta ... id=topnews
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 03318.html

Bullshit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-a5T0HsJpw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnRHCIINvN8

[The_Noble_Cause]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnRHCIINvN8

Its easy to wax victorious in hindsight.
As the YouTube clip I posted shows, in the runup to the war and for sometime afterwards he toed the "greeted as liberators" line same as everyone else.

[csiako]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnRHCIINvN8

Its easy to wax victorious in hindsight.
As the YouTube clip I posted shows, in the runup to the war and for sometime afterwards he toed the "greeted as liberators" line same as everyone else.

yup. but hes the one who pushed for the surge.. in fact john edwards called it the mccain doctrine.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fw6s79b ... re=related

[csiako]

You can't pick and choose which forms of torture are acceptable. You're either for or against.

its not that simple. you cant pick and choose which interrogation is banned on not.. this was a blanket bill thats forcing the cia to use the army's field manual
http://www.fcnl.org/pdfs/civ_liberties/ ... Sept06.pdf

[The_Noble_Cause]

yup. but hes the one who pushed for the surge.. in fact john edwards called it the mccain doctrine.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fw6s79b ... re=related

Show me he supported it before Bush made the pitch.

[Since 78]

My Favorite of the night:

Before becoming governor, Palin served as mayor of Wasilla, she recounted, adding: "And since our opponents in this presidential election seem to look down on that experience, let me explain to them what the job involves. I guess a small-town mayor is sort of like a 'community organizer,' except that you have actual responsibilities."

[The_Noble_Cause]

.. this was a blanket bill

Sponsored by anti-torture advocates trying to enforce the same rules that McCain previously endorsed in 2005.
Give it a rest.
Everyone knows McCain sold his soul.

[csiako]

.. this was a blanket bill

Sponsored by anti-torture advocates trying to enforce the same rules that McCain previously endorsed in 2005.
Give it a rest.
Everyone knows McCain sold his soul.

i guess we have to agree to disagree..
i guess i am not part of Everyone

[csiako]

yup. but hes the one who pushed for the surge.. in fact john edwards called it the mccain doctrine.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fw6s79b ... re=related

Show me he supported it before Bush made the pitch.

http://www.theamericanscene.com/2008/06 ... ld-you-sos

Barack Obama opposed the Iraq War, and opposed it from the beginning. John McCain supported the surge and, unlike his President, supported it years before it was implemented

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cmVW-4sc6U

[The_Noble_Cause]

Barack Obama opposed the Iraq War, and opposed it from the beginning. John McCain supported the surge and, unlike his President, supported it years before it was implemented

Prove it.
Nothing in that article establishes what you claim.
In fact, according to this fact checking website, McCain's claim as the progenitor of the Surge is, (much like his reputation as a party-bucking maverick), little more than hype.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/278/

[csiako]

Barack Obama opposed the Iraq War, and opposed it from the beginning. John McCain supported the surge and, unlike his President, supported it years before it was implemented

Prove it.
Nothing in that article establishes what you claim.
In fact, according to this fact checking website, McCain's claim as the progenitor of the Surge is, much like his reputation as a maverick, little more than hype.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/278/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cmVW-4sc6U <-- check this out