The 2008 US Presidential Election Thread

[peridactyl]

I know it's personal to you, and I can understand your position. I just don't think it should be used to smear Obama. As I said earlier in this thread, it's not like Obama and Ayers are planning terror. They have an incidental relationship.

We aren't "smearing" anyone, we are calling into question his judgement of continously associating and working with Ayers. It is MUCH different.

Has Obama been a republican you can bet your bottom dollar that it would have gone far beyond asking if Obama exercised good judgement.

NO, what this is really all about is the McCain campaign changing the subject from the issues affecting our country at this time and in the next 4 years to some bullshit from 20 years ago that is tenuous but predictably will get the electorate riled up and distracted. While we bite each other's behind in an emotional maelstrom Rome burns.

Fools.

[RossValoryRocks]

I know it's personal to you, and I can understand your position. I just don't think it should be used to smear Obama. As I said earlier in this thread, it's not like Obama and Ayers are planning terror. They have an incidental relationship.

We aren't "smearing" anyone, we are calling into question his judgment of continuously associating and working with Ayers. It is MUCH different.

Has Obama been a republican you can bet your bottom dollar that it would have gone far beyond asking if Obama exercised good judgement.

You've been "calling into question" this relationship for 127 pages now. I think there's an agenda.

Naw...only about 20-25 of them...

I don't have an "agenda" other than people to make an informed choice. If someone wants to vote for Obama then please do, but I want to make sure I did everything I could to show them everything about him that he is trying to hide.

[Saint John]

This man should be fired.

I think a .45 would do the trick.

[RossValoryRocks]

NO, what this is really all about is the McCain campaign changing the subject from the issues affecting our country at this time and in the next 4 years to some bullshit from 20 years ago that is tenuous but predictably will get the electorate riled up and distracted. While we bite each other's behind in an emotional maelstrom Rome burns.

Fools.

How melodramatic!

McCain talks about the economy as well but to focus on ONE thing, leaves all sorts of things about Obama, the kind of man he really is, and the kind of questionable judgement he posesses out of the discussion, and they are valid points to explore as they speak to the heart of Barak Obama and the kind of President he will be.

Not that I think it matters, the American electorate has about a 2 nanosecond attention span.

Obama will be the next President, IMO, but we should know the WHOLE character of the man being elected not just the snippets the campaign his handlers allow us to see.

[Tito]

Obama did not bomb anyone or any place. By the time he sat with Ayers on a Board Ayers was holding a respectable position in the community, which was supported by other community leaders.

Associating with someone who is a former terrorist is fine if that person has disavowed their past and has shown obvious signs of rejecting their former beliefs in that regard. Ayers has never recanted what he did and has, in fact, said that he should've done more.

He didn't say he should have done more bombing. He said he should have done more to stop the war. That could mean any myriad of efforts, including legal ones. To suggest otherwise is pure speculation. It's just a way to smear Obama. With that said, I despise Ayers actions when he was protesting and he should have done time.

No he didn't come out and say that, but it was implied.

Look you may be young enough not to remember the bombings, or may not have known anyone who was affected by them, but for me this is personal.

His little group bombed the Gulf Building in downtown Pittsburgh where my father worked and would have killed or injured him had he not been running late that day.

Ayers should be in prison enjoying the tender mercies of being anally sodomized, not teaching a radical agenda at a college.

I know it's personal to you, and I can understand your position. I just don't think it should be used to smear Obama. As I said earlier in this thread, it's not like Obama and Ayers are planning terror. They have an incidental relationship.

You are missing the point. We can debate their relationship, people are going to believe what they want to believe. But, this goes down to they have the SAME ideology as far as education,etc. Is that what you want our education system to be?

I have no idea what ideology Ayers has regarding education, so I can't comment. I am pretty sure, however, he doesn't teach people how to blow shit up.

His goal isn't to educate, it is to radicalize the students.

[Rick]

Obama did not bomb anyone or any place. By the time he sat with Ayers on a Board Ayers was holding a respectable position in the community, which was supported by other community leaders.

Associating with someone who is a former terrorist is fine if that person has disavowed their past and has shown obvious signs of rejecting their former beliefs in that regard. Ayers has never recanted what he did and has, in fact, said that he should've done more.

He didn't say he should have done more bombing. He said he should have done more to stop the war. That could mean any myriad of efforts, including legal ones. To suggest otherwise is pure speculation. It's just a way to smear Obama. With that said, I despise Ayers actions when he was protesting and he should have done time.

No he didn't come out and say that, but it was implied.

Look you may be young enough not to remember the bombings, or may not have known anyone who was affected by them, but for me this is personal.

His little group bombed the Gulf Building in downtown Pittsburgh where my father worked and would have killed or injured him had he not been running late that day.

Ayers should be in prison enjoying the tender mercies of being anally sodomized, not teaching a radical agenda at a college.

I know it's personal to you, and I can understand your position. I just don't think it should be used to smear Obama. As I said earlier in this thread, it's not like Obama and Ayers are planning terror. They have an incidental relationship.

You are missing the point. We can debate their relationship, people are going to believe what they want to believe. But, this goes down to they have the SAME ideology as far as education,etc. Is that what you want our education system to be?

I have no idea what ideology Ayers has regarding education, so I can't comment. I am pretty sure, however, he doesn't teach people how to blow shit up.

His goal isn't to educate, it is to radicalize the students.

And you know this how?

[Rick]

I know it's personal to you, and I can understand your position. I just don't think it should be used to smear Obama. As I said earlier in this thread, it's not like Obama and Ayers are planning terror. They have an incidental relationship.

We aren't "smearing" anyone, we are calling into question his judgment of continuously associating and working with Ayers. It is MUCH different.

Has Obama been a republican you can bet your bottom dollar that it would have gone far beyond asking if Obama exercised good judgement.

You've been "calling into question" this relationship for 127 pages now. I think there's an agenda.

Naw...only about 20-25 of them...

I don't have an "agenda" other than people to make an informed choice. If someone wants to vote for Obama then please do, but I want to make sure I did everything I could to show them everything about him that he is trying to hide.

Fair enough.

[Tito]

Obama did not bomb anyone or any place. By the time he sat with Ayers on a Board Ayers was holding a respectable position in the community, which was supported by other community leaders.

Associating with someone who is a former terrorist is fine if that person has disavowed their past and has shown obvious signs of rejecting their former beliefs in that regard. Ayers has never recanted what he did and has, in fact, said that he should've done more.

He didn't say he should have done more bombing. He said he should have done more to stop the war. That could mean any myriad of efforts, including legal ones. To suggest otherwise is pure speculation. It's just a way to smear Obama. With that said, I despise Ayers actions when he was protesting and he should have done time.

No he didn't come out and say that, but it was implied.

Look you may be young enough not to remember the bombings, or may not have known anyone who was affected by them, but for me this is personal.

His little group bombed the Gulf Building in downtown Pittsburgh where my father worked and would have killed or injured him had he not been running late that day.

Ayers should be in prison enjoying the tender mercies of being anally sodomized, not teaching a radical agenda at a college.

I know it's personal to you, and I can understand your position. I just don't think it should be used to smear Obama. As I said earlier in this thread, it's not like Obama and Ayers are planning terror. They have an incidental relationship.

You are missing the point. We can debate their relationship, people are going to believe what they want to believe. But, this goes down to they have the SAME ideology as far as education,etc. Is that what you want our education system to be?

I have no idea what ideology Ayers has regarding education, so I can't comment. I am pretty sure, however, he doesn't teach people how to blow shit up.

His goal isn't to educate, it is to radicalize the students.

And you know this how?

I posted this yesterday, this time please read it:

http://www.dickmorris.com/blog/2008/10/ ... onnection/

[RossValoryRocks]

And you know this how?

Go do a Google search on him, there are plenty of statements he has made about the subject...you are going to have to dig through all of the latest news and such since there will be a million new pages on him.

[Enigma869]

we should know the WHOLE character of the man being elected not just the snippets the campaign his handlers allow us to see.

Hmmmmm...Who does this sound like??? Puppet Palin, perhaps


John from Boston

[The_Noble_Cause]

I think a .45 would do the trick.

Ayer's personal website is already teeming with calls for his murder.
I would be greatly surprised if he escapes this campaign cycle without injury.
Reverend Wright has also received various death threats.

[RedWingFan]

And you know this how?

I posted this yesterday, this time please read it:

http://www.dickmorris.com/blog/2008/10/ ... onnection/

I think Rick meant this as a rhetorical question. He didn't actually want a link.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I didn't edit it. I compared "troll's" disgusting comment to TNC's disgusting comment AFTER Dean came in to defend TNC's comment. Dean asked for clarification, I gave it to him and he agreed TNC's remark was over the line.

Sanctimonious moralizing means very little coming from a guy who religiously listens to Limbaugh and reads Coulter.
How do you quantify bad taste in an age where the death of a presidential candidate is openly cheered?

[RossValoryRocks]

we should know the WHOLE character of the man being elected not just the snippets the campaign his handlers allow us to see.

Hmmmmm...Who does this sound like??? Puppet Palin, perhaps


John from Boston

Dude give it a rest...Obama is going to win...you can ease off on Palin.

Obama is the President we will be dealing with the next 4 to 8 years...(probably 4 but we will see)...so don't you think we should KNOW the man a bit???

There is a LOT of mystery in his backround that needs explaining, IMHO.

[conversationpc]

I didn't edit it. I compared "troll's" disgusting comment to TNC's disgusting comment AFTER Dean came in to defend TNC's comment. Dean asked for clarification, I gave it to him and he agreed TNC's remark was over the line.

Sanctimonious moralizing means very little coming from a guy who religiously listens to Limbaugh and reads Coulter.
How do you quantify bad taste in an age where the death of a presidential candidate is openly cheered?

Boy you're one to slap someone down for bad taste? That's really rich.

[RedWingFan]

I didn't edit it. I compared "troll's" disgusting comment to TNC's disgusting comment AFTER Dean came in to defend TNC's comment. Dean asked for clarification, I gave it to him and he agreed TNC's remark was over the line.

Sanctimonious moralizing means very little coming from a guy who religiously listens to Limbaugh and reads Coulter.
How do you quantify bad taste in an age where the death of a presidential candidate is openly cheered?

How many books, plays and other works of "art" were made about the assassination of President Bush?
Now it's some kind of issue to you?

[RossValoryRocks]

I didn't edit it. I compared "troll's" disgusting comment to TNC's disgusting comment AFTER Dean came in to defend TNC's comment. Dean asked for clarification, I gave it to him and he agreed TNC's remark was over the line.

Sanctimonious moralizing means very little coming from a guy who religiously listens to Limbaugh and reads Coulter.
How do you quantify bad taste in an age where the death of a presidential candidate is openly cheered?

Boy you're one to slap someone down for bad taste? That's really rich.

Tut tut Dave...do as he says...not as he does!

[Tito]

I think a .45 would do the trick.

Ayer's personal website is already teeming with calls for his murder.
I would be greatly surprised if he escapes this campaign cycle without injury.
Reverend Wright has also received various death threats.

They won't be touched. Conservatives have no balls.

[Rick]

Obama did not bomb anyone or any place. By the time he sat with Ayers on a Board Ayers was holding a respectable position in the community, which was supported by other community leaders.

Associating with someone who is a former terrorist is fine if that person has disavowed their past and has shown obvious signs of rejecting their former beliefs in that regard. Ayers has never recanted what he did and has, in fact, said that he should've done more.

He didn't say he should have done more bombing. He said he should have done more to stop the war. That could mean any myriad of efforts, including legal ones. To suggest otherwise is pure speculation. It's just a way to smear Obama. With that said, I despise Ayers actions when he was protesting and he should have done time.

No he didn't come out and say that, but it was implied.

Look you may be young enough not to remember the bombings, or may not have known anyone who was affected by them, but for me this is personal.

His little group bombed the Gulf Building in downtown Pittsburgh where my father worked and would have killed or injured him had he not been running late that day.

Ayers should be in prison enjoying the tender mercies of being anally sodomized, not teaching a radical agenda at a college.

I know it's personal to you, and I can understand your position. I just don't think it should be used to smear Obama. As I said earlier in this thread, it's not like Obama and Ayers are planning terror. They have an incidental relationship.

You are missing the point. We can debate their relationship, people are going to believe what they want to believe. But, this goes down to they have the SAME ideology as far as education,etc. Is that what you want our education system to be?

I have no idea what ideology Ayers has regarding education, so I can't comment. I am pretty sure, however, he doesn't teach people how to blow shit up.

His goal isn't to educate, it is to radicalize the students.

And you know this how?

I posted this yesterday, this time please read it:

http://www.dickmorris.com/blog/2008/10/ ... onnection/

Yeah, that's a really neutral site.

From Obama's camp is this...

Senator Obama strongly condemns the violent actions of the Weathermen group, as he does all acts of violence. But he was an eight-year-old child when Ayers and the Weathermen were active, and any attempt to connect Obama with events of almost forty years ago is ridiculous.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Boy you're one to slap someone down for bad taste? That's really rich.

The truth of the matter is, there is absolutely nothing wrong with what I said.
Those that take issue with it, are carrying out the very same PC-agenda they bitch about.

[The_Noble_Cause]

They won't be touched. Conservatives have no balls.

Tell it to the victims of last July's Knoxville church shooter.

[RossValoryRocks]

Yeah, that's a really neutral site.

From Obama's camp is this...

Senator Obama strongly condemns the violent actions of the Weathermen group, as he does all acts of violence. But he was an eight-year-old child when Ayers and the Weathermen were active, and any attempt to connect Obama with events of almost forty years ago is ridiculous.

NO ONE is trying to connect the bombings to Obama, but thanks for proving my nano-second attention span theory.

All ANYONE is saying is that his association with a man like Ayers speaks to his character and judgement.

[Tito]

http://www.dickmorris.com/blog/2008/10/08/the-obama-ayers-connection/

Yeah, that's a really neutral site.

From Obama's camp is this...

Senator Obama strongly condemns the violent actions of the Weathermen group, as he does all acts of violence. But he was an eight-year-old child when Ayers and the Weathermen were active, and any attempt to connect Obama with events of almost forty years ago is ridiculous.

[/quote]

First of all Dick Morris was Bill Clinton's advisor (and hates Hillary). Second, sure I could've done the research too and typed up something similiar but I took the shortcut as this is pretty spot on. Again, what you posted from Obama's site is not that point of what Morris's column was about and not the issue I made. Open your eyes.

[The_Noble_Cause]

How many books, plays and other works of "art" were made about the assassination of President Bush?
Now it's some kind of issue to you?

One art house movie is all that I'm aware of.

[conversationpc]

Senator Obama strongly condemns the violent actions of the Weathermen group, as he does all acts of violence. But he was an eight-year-old child when Ayers and the Weathermen were active, and any attempt to connect Obama with events of almost forty years ago is ridiculous.

Obama is obfuscating the issue. No one's saying he's connected with the actual events but with an unrepentant person who is responsible for them. Same thing could be said of me if I were associated with a murderer, for instance, even though the murder may have been committed many years ago. If that person were still unrepentant and, like in Ayers' case, bragging that he should've done more, then people would be right to question my judgement.

[Tito]

They won't be touched. Conservatives have no balls.

Tell it to the victims of last July's Knoxville church shooter.

Wow! We MAY have had one.

[conversationpc]

Boy you're one to slap someone down for bad taste? That's really rich.

The truth of the matter is, there is absolutely nothing wrong with what I said.
Those that take issue with it, are carrying out the very same PC-agenda they bitch about.

That's a load of bull-freaking-crap. There is a whole lot wrong with what you said. You certainly have the right to say it but that doesn't make it OK to say it. You were and should be castigated for it.

How would you like it if you had a special needs baby and I called it a "backwoods retard"? I'm certain you wouldn't like it very much and don't even bother to say it wouldn't bother you because you'd be lying...as usual.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Obama is obuscating the issue. No one's saying he's connected with the actual events but with an unrepentant person who is responsible for them. Same thing could be said of me if I were associated with a murderer, for instance, even though the murder may have been committed many years ago. If that person were still unrepentant and, like in Ayers' case, bragging that he should've done more, then people would be right to question my judgement.

Bullshit.
This is backdoor strategy to other-ize the candidate.
First they tried a more direct approach with Madrassa innuendos (carried on FOX News and all of AM radio), then campaign surrogates started dropping his Middle Eastern-tinged middle name "Hussein" and now they say he works with terrorists.
Anyone noticing a pattern here?

[Enigma869]

Dude give it a rest

Um...NO!

Obama is going to win...you can ease off on Palin.

Fuck Palin. She's out there as "the attack dog", so I'll give it right back to the dope! She's a complete embarrassment to the Republican party, and McCain's campaign!

Obama is the President we will be dealing with the next 4 to 8 years...(probably 4 but we will see)

I hope that you're correct, and it's only 4. Hopefully both parties will be able to come up with better candidates in the next 4 years!

so don't you think we should KNOW the man a bit???

Absolutely, I do. Again, you're preaching to the choir, dude. I'm not an Obama fan at all, so you're not going to find me singing the praises of the guy here, anytime soon!


John from Boston

[Tito]

Obama is obuscating the issue. No one's saying he's connected with the actual events but with an unrepentant person who is responsible for them. Same thing could be said of me if I were associated with a murderer, for instance, even though the murder may have been committed many years ago. If that person were still unrepentant and, like in Ayers' case, bragging that he should've done more, then people would be right to question my judgement.

Bullshit.
This is backdoor strategy to other-ize the candidate.
First they tried a more direct approach with Madrassa innuendos (carried on FOX News and all of AM radio), then campaign surrogates started dropping his Middle Eastern-tinged middle name "Hussein" and now they say he works with terrorists.
Anyone noticing a pattern here?

Yes, Obama is a piece of shit.