The 2008 US Presidential Election Thread

[Since 78]

Obama is obuscating the issue. No one's saying he's connected with the actual events but with an unrepentant person who is responsible for them. Same thing could be said of me if I were associated with a murderer, for instance, even though the murder may have been committed many years ago. If that person were still unrepentant and, like in Ayers' case, bragging that he should've done more, then people would be right to question my judgement.

Bullshit.
This is backdoor strategy to other-ize the candidate.
First they tried a more direct approach with Madrassa innuendos (carried on FOX News and all of AM radio), then campaign surrogates started dropping his Middle Eastern-tinged middle name "Hussein" and now they say he works with terrorists.
Anyone noticing a pattern here?

Yes, Obama is a piece of shit.

[The_Noble_Cause]

How would you like it if you had a special needs baby and I called it a "backwoods retard"?

Palin's family is indeed backwoods.
I submit for your consideration evidence exhibits A, B, and C.

I'm certain you wouldn't like it very much and don't even bother to say it wouldn't bother you because you'd be lying...as usual.

Whether you choose to admit it or not, comparing someone to a retard is accepted as everyday vernacular.
Palin's name was dropped in for topicality.
Nothing to see here.

[RedWingFan]

How many books, plays and other works of "art" were made about the assassination of President Bush?
Now it's some kind of issue to you?

One art house movie is all that I'm aware of.

Read up. Maybe you can pick up a few items too.
http://michellemalkin.com/2006/08/31/as ... tion-chic/

[The_Noble_Cause]

It happened again today in Scranton, Pa and from what I'm hearing the perp was a Dem plant/operative trying to stir shit up.

Yeh, I bet.
Just like Rush Limbaugh was quick to say the Virginia Tech shooter had to be a liberal.

[Tito]

How would you like it if you had a special needs baby and I called it a "backwoods retard"?

Palin's family is indeed backwoods.
I submit for your consideration evidence exhibits A, B, and C.

I'm certain you wouldn't like it very much and don't even bother to say it wouldn't bother you because you'd be lying...as usual.

Whether you choose to admit it or not, comparing someone to a retard is accepted as everyday vernacular.
Palin's name was dropped in for topicality.
Nothing to see here.

These are ALL good people. If there were more people like them this world would be a better place. They're even better than Cain.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Read up. Maybe you can pick up a few items too.
http://michellemalkin.com/2006/08/31/as ... tion-chic/

Ummm, ok.
One of the books on here is simply a historical look at the first three Presidential assasinations.
I have only heard of the movie - and even that isn't advocating assasination.

[Lula]

FF, I would love to know who transcribed Jesse's speech. It is damn near fucking impossible to discern a goddamn word that slimy fuck says. Sounds like he has a golf bag worth of cocks gargling in his piehole.

Yes, I hate that piece of crap.

[Tito]

FF, I would love to know who transcribed Jesse's speech. It is damn near fucking impossible to discern a goddamn word that slimy fuck says. Sounds like he has a golf bag worth of cocks gargling in his piehole.

Yes, I hate that piece of crap.

Lula, you must be in a bad mood today. This language is so unlike you.

[RedWingFan]

FF, I would love to know who transcribed Jesse's speech. It is damn near fucking impossible to discern a goddamn word that slimy fuck says. Sounds like he has a golf bag worth of cocks gargling in his piehole.

Barney Frank?

[The_Noble_Cause]

Mathew Dowd, chief strategist for Bush's re-election campaign has declared Palin a "net negative" and claims she will put the country at risk.
Are there even any more prominent Conservatives left to disown this year's Republican ticket?


http://washingtonindependent.com/12459/ ... with-palin

[Tito]

Mathew Dowd, chief strategist for Bush's re-election campaign has declared Palin a "net negative" and claims she will put the country at risk.
Are there even any more prominent Conservatives left to disown this year's Republican ticket?


http://washingtonindependent.com/12459/ ... with-palin

Never heard of the guy and I agree with you that Bush is terrible, therefore this is good for her. I like how you blast Bush (deserved) but it is ok to use them as a reference for something trivial. As a strategist he's a moron because if it wasn't for Palin, whatever chance McCain has would've been out the window a long time ago. She has rejuvenated the base that was never behind McCain. If it wasn't for her this race was over in August/early September. She sparked his campaign. As a strategist he should know this.

[The_Noble_Cause]

As a strategist he's a moron because if it wasn't for Palin, whatever chance McCain has would've been out the window a long time ago. She has rejuvenated the base that was never behind McCain. If it wasn't for her this race was over in August/early September. She sparked his campaign. As a strategist he should know this.

As McCain's 2000 strategist has said (and I think he's right) this isn't a base election year.
McCain could've appealed more broadly without the Bush diehards.

[Tito]

As a strategist he's a moron because if it wasn't for Palin, whatever chance McCain has would've been out the window a long time ago. She has rejuvenated the base that was never behind McCain. If it wasn't for her this race was over in August/early September. She sparked his campaign. As a strategist he should know this.

As McCain's 2000 strategist has said (and I think he's right) this isn't a base election year.

But, he NEEDS them to turn out and vote for him and as important knock on doors to get others to vote for him. Without them he a "HE GONE!"

[Tito]

As a strategist he's a moron because if it wasn't for Palin, whatever chance McCain has would've been out the window a long time ago. She has rejuvenated the base that was never behind McCain. If it wasn't for her this race was over in August/early September. She sparked his campaign. As a strategist he should know this.

As McCain's 2000 strategist has said (and I think he's right) this isn't a base election year.

But, he NEEDS them to turn out and vote for him and as important knock on doors to get others to vote for him. Without them he a "HE GONE!"

Also, again this is where the stupid party - the Republican party arguably picked the worst candidate of the bunch. Although all the major candidates had flaws this guy may have been the worse. Again despite their flaws, Huckabee and Romney would've been better choices. Romney for his economic knowledge, which would be huge right now and Huckabee because, to his credit, was the only one talking about the bad economy over a year ago even moreso than most democratic candidates. So, he could've said I knew it awhile ago. Of course the best of them all was Ron Paul. But, heaven help us if the sheep (of both parties) would actually pick someone the MSM didn't feed us.

[Gin and Tonic Sky]

My god....is Barry really this stupid?

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/10/obama-on-acorn.html

"I haven’t looked at all the details of his capital gains proposal. I will tell you that nobody one really has capital gains right now – so if the idea is the cut capital gains taxes, when I don’t know anybody, even the smartest investors who right now are going to be experiencing a lot of capital gains. That probably is not going to be particularly useful in solving the financial crisis. But I will review the plan and I’m sure that Sen. McCain will have more to say about it tomorrow.”

If McCain doesn't shove this down O's throat and gag him, then I'm probably joining RVR in giving up.

Yes folks, you can make cap gains in a down market. You might even have to pay taxes and lose investment dollars. This man just proved himself an economic idiot. The Pubbies need to run with this BIGTIME! God help us if he's elected.

BTW, if no one is making cap gains, why tax them at all? Huh?

A deep capital gains cut tax would be the best way to reintroduce confidence and liquidity in the market. Cut capital gains taxes on new investments made in the next calendar year to something like 8% and the whole world would be lining up to invest big time.

Whats even more worrying is Obamas comment to that Plumber yesterday who questioned his economic plan - "a little redistribuion of income is good!" All along Im sure he was thinking, dont question me stupid dumfuck plumber Im smarter than you better than you and you will pay higher taxes if I think it in the common good.

Problems no one is standing up to this shit. If McCain doesnt call him out specifically on these two issues, Im reluctantly giving up too and voting for Bob Barr and the Libertarians. Maybe a wasted vote but I just cant stand no one standing up to this socialist shit anymore. Might as well vote my conscience.

[Tito]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOI8qyxC2qw

[peridactyl]

Catch this!

PinocchioPolitics.com

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-wwXjH4cHE

[peridactyl]

Billionaire Harold Simmons funded ad linking Obama, ex-Weatherman Ayers
A major fundraiser for John McCain, he also helped pay for the Swift Boat ads that attacked the military record of Democratic presidential candidate John F. Kerry in 2004.
By Dan Morain, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
August 23, 2008
Texas billionaire Harold Simmons, who helped pay for the devastating attacks on the military record of Democratic presidential candidate John F. Kerry in 2004, has paid for a television ad that assails Barack Obama over his ties to a founder of a violent radical group.

Simmons, who is also a major fundraiser for John McCain, donated $2.87 million that a newly formed nonprofit group, the American Issues Project, has used for the ad, a report filed Friday with the Federal Election Commission shows.


The 60-second ad opens with Obama giving a speech, then asks how much voters know about him.

From there, it focuses on his relationship with William Ayers, a University of Illinois at Chicago professor who more than three decades ago was deeply involved with the Weather Underground, which claimed responsibility for numerous bombings.

The American Issues Project is airing the commercial in Ohio and Michigan, where Obama and McCain are locked in tight contests.


Obama's campaign responded to the ad by sending a letter to the Justice Department charging that the backers are violating criminal law and urging an investigation. Obama's attorneys also are calling on television stations not to air the spot.



The national Fox News Network has declined to air it, but several Fox affiliates in Ohio and Michigan are showing it.

"It's on tons of stations in Michigan and Ohio," said Christian Pinkston, a Washington consultant overseeing the effort.

"It is a battleground-state strategy."

Pinkston and Simmons were both involved with Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, the group that ran ads questioning the Vietnam record of Kerry, a decorated veteran. Simmons was Swift Boat's second-largest donor, giving $3 million.

Simmons has donated at least $4.5 million to federal campaigns in the past decade, Federal Election Commission records show.

Simmons was No. 43 on the 2007 Forbes list of richest Americans, with a net worth estimated at $7.4 billion. Known as a corporate raider, Simmons has been nicknamed "the Ice Man." He acquired his wealth by investing in drugstores, steel, garbage collection and other entities. He could not be reached for comment.

On its website, McCain's campaign discloses that Simmons has raised between $50,000 and $100,000 for the Republican candidate.

Simmons also has given direct contributions to McCain and McCain-related committees totaling $17,300 since the presidential campaign began last year. A political action committee affiliated with one of Simmons' companies has donated $18,500 to McCain committees.

The anti-Obama ad that Simmons funded notes that the Sept. 11 hijackers failed to crash one of the hijacked jets into the Capitol but that 30 years earlier the Weather Underground detonated a bomb in it. "Why would Barack Obama be friends with someone who bombed the Capitol and is proud of it?" the ad asks.

Ayers was never prosecuted for any of the Weather Underground bombings; charges were dropped because of prosecutorial misconduct.

Under federal law, it would be illegal for McCain to have had a hand in the ad, and McCain's campaign has denied involvement.

Obama attorney Robert F. Bauer charged in a letter to the Justice Department that the American Issues Project is engaging in a "willful attempt to evade the strictures of federal election law."

The group claims tax- exempt status.

Bauer noted that the law limits the ability of such committees to expressly advocate for the defeat or election of a candidate.

Instead, he charged, the group should be operating as a political organization.

Federal law, however, caps the size of donations to such groups, a restriction that would have precluded Simmons from donating $2.87 million.

"We urge and expect the Department of Justice to fulfill its commitment to take prompt, vigorous action to enforce against criminal violations of the campaign finance laws," Bauer wrote in his letter.

Separately, Obama's attorneys are demanding that television stations spike the spot. They say the ad is "demonstrably false" and labeled it a "crude, disreputable and malicious attempt to link Sen. Obama to domestic terrorist activities."

Pinkston, the American Issues consultant, scoffed at the charges, saying: "These people need to study election law. It is totally legal. You can be sure we vetted and vetted and vetted it again."

dan.morain@latimes.com

Times researcher Maloy Moore contributed to this report.

[peridactyl]

The company you keep says a lot about you, doesn't it????

All you Obama attackers are in GOOD COMPANY (



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRqcfqiXCX0

"Misconceptions of the Obama Fuel Republican Campaign-October 13, 2008"

[fredinator]

William F. Buckley Jr.'s (a great Republican and founder of the The National Review) son has endorsed Sen. Obama. Here is part of what he said:

He criticized Republican John McCain as "irascible and snarly" and credited Obama with having "a first-class temperament and a first-class intellect."

I think our country will be in good, safe hands.

Sorry, I fixed this and hope it makes better sense, lol (it took me a minute to figure it out).

[rsimpson]

He would not be able to be hired by the FBI or the US Secret Service.

And neither would John McCain, because he's way too fucking old


John from Boston

Plus his past association with a "domestic terrorist"

[fredinator]

I saw a clip on Chris Matthews of Christopher Buckley and Chris asked him why he backed Obama; he simply said that he had read his (Obama's) books.

[cookieduster]

I saw a clip on Chris Matthews of Christopher Buckley and Chris asked him why he backed Obama; he simply said that he had read his (Obama's) books.

[fredinator]

You and FF up there are taking up a lot of bandwidth.

[Lula]

FF, I would love to know who transcribed Jesse's speech. It is damn near fucking impossible to discern a goddamn word that slimy fuck says. Sounds like he has a golf bag worth of cocks gargling in his piehole.

Yes, I hate that piece of crap.

Lula, you must be in a bad mood today. This language is so unlike you.

i admit, dear tito, that indeed i was angry this morning. i did use the "f" word and said "piss off." so you're likin the palin vikings? my brothers live in alaska and have for 35 years, but they're not like those folks in the picture.

[The_Noble_Cause]

There were never any death chants about Obama at that rally...the phrase "kill him" was made by a crowd member immediately after Palin mentioned Ayers.

It happened again today in Scranton, Pa and from what I'm hearing the perp was a Dem plant/operative trying to stir shit up.

I normally give people the benefit of the doubt, or look something up myself, but the more I read about today's Scranton incident, the more it appears it was directed at Obama and not Ayers. Do you have a link?

[peridactyl]

NO, what this is really all about is the McCain campaign changing the subject from the issues affecting our country at this time and in the next 4 years to some bullshit from 20 years ago that is tenuous but predictably will get the electorate riled up and distracted. While we bite each other's behind in an emotional maelstrom Rome burns.

Fools.

How melodramatic!

McCain talks about the economy as well but to focus on ONE thing, leaves all sorts of things about Obama, the kind of man he really is, and the kind of questionable judgement he posesses out of the discussion, and they are valid points to explore as they speak to the heart of Barak Obama and the kind of President he will be.

Not that I think it matters, the American electorate has about a 2 nanosecond attention span.

Obama will be the next President, IMO, but we should know the WHOLE character of the man being elected not just the snippets the campaign his handlers allow us to see.

ME?? Melodramatic? Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

[peridactyl]

William F. Buckley Jr.'s (a great Republican and founder of the The National Review) son has endorsed Sen. Obama. Here is part of what he said:

He criticized Republican John McCain as "irascible and snarly" and credited Obama with having "a first-class temperament and a first-class intellect."

I think our country will be in good, safe hands.

Sorry, I fixed this and hope it makes better sense, lol (it took me a minute to figure it out).

YEAH a lot of Conservatives are waking up and smelling the coffee!
THe country needs a solid leader with the calm and smarts to pull us together and solve big problems.
McCain is a good man but running the usual Republican agenda of financing the top of the financial
strata hasn't worked to help lift all boats. In fact we are sinking!!

What won't work is the politics of Rove and Atwater.
Let those who think it will fight amongst themselves.

President Obama! Get used to it!!

[peridactyl]

It happened again today in Scranton, Pa and from what I'm hearing the perp was a Dem plant/operative trying to stir shit up.

Yeh, I bet.
Just like Rush Limbaugh was quick to say the Virginia Tech shooter had to be a liberal.

GAWD, consider the source!!!

Limbaugh was pushing Palin for VP for a long time from what I've heard.
GOOD JUDGMENT, that.

This is SERIOUS BUSINESS, folks! Who is going to lead our country is NO FUCKIN JOKE and considering Palin an option means you got the WORST JUDGMENT possible or DON'T CARE what happens to this country...

...OR GOT ACCUSTUMED TO HAVING an INCOMPETENT AS PRESIDENT.

I mean, Republicans have nothing to be proud of...
2 terms of President Bush and you think the rest of us should listen to you?

In what altered universe????

[Since 78]

Looks like Obama told Jackson to STFU!!