The 2008 US Presidential Election Thread

[Tito]

Did TNC really say this below?

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
you're dumber than Palin's backwoods retard baby

Yes... See page 99 of this thread. http://forums.melodicrock.com/phpBB/vie ... start=2940

He uses the excuse that it's aimed at me, not at the child...Duhhhhhhhhh! Of course it is but it's still calling the baby a "backwoods retard baby". I don't care what I'm called. It's irrelevant. It's certainly his right to say it if he wants but he still an unfeeling asshole for saying it.

That's disgusting. Whatever respect I had of him has gone bye-bye.

[strangegrey]

Good...McCain was/is a fraud of a republican anyway....same with Bush.

This country doesn't need another 4 years of a democrat wearing Republican clothing in all the wrong places....

Perhaps in 4 or 8 years, the conservatives will wake the fuck up and figure out what they're supposed to be doing...

It will be too late!

Thats exactly the juvenile thinking that keep the current elected officials in office. It's idiocy and you can go on telling yourself such a thing, keep voting for the lesser of two evils, crappy candidates that are a compromise in your voting ideals.....just so you can prevent yourself from seeing the next bad guy in office.

The fact of the matter is that Obama and even a greater majority in congress can not do lasting damage to this country that can't be repaired with new leadership down the road. Think of the damage Bush has done....there are people on the other side of the aisle that claimed the same thing before he was elected...and they now have an opportunity to let their side get a shot.

Don't subscribe to a shitty bill of goods, just because you think the alternative is armageddon. That kind of thinking is the reason why we have Sarbanes-Oxley, The patriot act and now this shitty useless bailout package.....

Stop supporting republicans who fear monger and tell you dreadful stories of World's end. It's bullshit. Demand new leadership.....

[conversationpc]

Thats exactly the juvenile thinking that keep the current elected officials in office. It's idiocy and you can go on telling yourself such a thing, keep voting for the lesser of two evils, crappy candidates that are a compromise in your voting ideals.....just so you can prevent yourself from seeing the next bad guy in office.

The fact of the matter is that Obama and even a greater majority in congress can not do lasting damage to this country that can't be repaired with new leadership down the road. Think of the damage Bush has done....there are people on the other side of the aisel that claimed the same thing before he was elected...and they now have an opportunity to let their side get a shot.

Don't subscribe to a shitty bill of goods, just because you think the alternative is armageddon. That kind of thinking is the reason why we have Sarbanes-Oxley, The patriot act and now this shitty useless bailout package.....

Stop supporting republicans who fear monger and tell you dreadful stories of World's end. It's bullshit. Demand new leadership.....

Exactly...I had originally not supported McCain and then changed my mind when was seemingly going in a new direction by choosing Palin. However, I'm now back to the point that I may have to vote for a 3rd party candidate. Actually, chances are better than 50-50 that I will.

[Tito]

Good...McCain was/is a fraud of a republican anyway....same with Bush.

This country doesn't need another 4 years of a democrat wearing Republican clothing in all the wrong places....

Perhaps in 4 or 8 years, the conservatives will wake the fuck up and figure out what they're supposed to be doing...

It will be too late!

Thats exactly the juvenile thinking that keep the current elected officials in office. It's idiocy and you can go on telling yourself such a thing, keep voting for the lesser of two evils, crappy candidates that are a compromise in your voting ideals.....just so you can prevent yourself from seeing the next bad guy in office.

The fact of the matter is that Obama and even a greater majority in congress can not do lasting damage to this country that can't be repaired with new leadership down the road. Think of the damage Bush has done....there are people on the other side of the aisle that claimed the same thing before he was elected...and they now have an opportunity to let their side get a shot.

Don't subscribe to a shitty bill of goods, just because you think the alternative is armageddon. That kind of thinking is the reason why we have Sarbanes-Oxley, The patriot act and now this shitty useless bailout package.....

Stop supporting republicans who fear monger and tell you dreadful stories of World's end. It's bullshit. Demand new leadership.....

Hey man. I ain't a McCain fan at all. He was my last choice (for lack of a better word) out of the original 11 Republican candidates. My point is, after Obama it will be too late. Look at the demographics. McCain will probably be as bad with the POSSIBLE (and only possible because I could see him screwing us) exception of judges.

Ron Paul 2012.

[strangegrey]

Here's another thing Tito. You're in a state where your vote just aint gonna fucking matter. I vote for Obama or McCain....I *dont* make a difference, here in NY. Obama's going to be projected the winner here before I even sip my morning coffee. Same goes for you in Illinois.

[7 Wishes]

I like Ron Paul. I could vote for him someday.

[strangegrey]

I like Ron Paul. I could vote for him someday.

7...are you in the uk, or am I thinking of TNC?

[Tito]

Here's another thing Tito. You're in a state where your vote just aint gonna fucking matter. I vote for Obama or McCain....I *dont* make a difference, here in NY. Obama's going to be projected the winner here before I even sip my morning coffee. Same goes for you in Illinois.

I've told others the same thing and to vote for Bob Barr.

[Tito]

Uh-oh!

http://www.postchronicle.com/news/origi ... 9008.shtml

Vera Baker Photo: Is this Barack Obama's Secret Mistress?
by Mitch Marconi


Could it be that the lovable charismatic Barack Obama might be hiding the fact that he has a mistress?

Rumors are swarming that Obama may ahve committed adultery on Michelle Obama with a woman by the name Vera Baker.

Vera baker is a staffer who worked for Barack Obama during his run for the United States Senate in 2004. Rumor has it that Michelle Obama was complaining about the supposed close friendship between Barack Obama and Vera Baker and before the public knew it, she was transferred to work at the Caribbean on the island of Martinique.

The story goes as following: Vera Baker was Obama's "Finance Director" for his 2004 Senate campaign and made a good buck doing so. Although those who followed the campaign, Claire Serdiuk was known as the finance director on all the postings but strangely Vera Baker was paid too for the same position but not listed. According to reports, Michelle Obama became very angry about something and all of a sudden Vera Baker was relocated to New York. It is said that Michelle was EXTRA angry about something, but it was not specified as to what in the media. And then, not very long after relocating to New York, Vera Baker found herself on the island of Martinique.

The Daily Mail who released the name of the woman has since then said the claim is unsubstantiated but there is a quite a bit of story to go along with what we don't know. Could this mean that a major American newspaper company will be covering this story right before election? Rumor of Obama's adultery will most likely have an adverse effect on the election and could come up as the big 'October Surprise'. What's even stranger is the fact that this was brought up by bi-partisan Democrats, not republicans at the Daily Mail. Hmmm...strange no?

Whether not this is just dirt hitting the fan, as this gains popularity more and more people are going to want details. For Obama's case, I hope that this candidate did not make such a huge blunder.

[Saint John]

I won't penalize him for having a mistress. His wife is such a fucking gargoyle that if this turns out to be true I will vote for him.

[Rick]

Wow...clueless and don't have all the facts...Obama gave $800,000 THIS YEAR to ACORN.

okay mister i have all the facts and know everything, show me the documentation that obama gave $800,000 to acorn. i know of the contribution to a subsidiary and it was during the primary, but when the fraud was spotted he dropped them and is not using them for the general.

i am many things stu, but clueless is not one of them.

It's not a subsidiary. They're one and the same. The "disguise" simply failed and he got caught.

Citizens Services Inc. is headquartered at the same address as ACORN's national headquarters in New Orleans.

got caught doing what?

obama has enough volunteers he doesn't have to hire a anyone to get out the vote. and acorn flags the fraudulent cards, but by law they have to turn then in.

Apparently you are clueless. If they told you wolverines make good house pets, would you believe them?

how about enlightenment rather than insult? and i'll tell you what tito, clueless is thinking your hero jon cain is a stellar man always doing the right thing.

I think he does. No information has been brought to my attention that he isn't.

So do you think it's the right thing to give oil companies a tax break after making record profits? They're the least needing of any financial assistance and haven't even asked for it, while every day working people are losing everything. Obama wants to help those who need help the most. How that doesn't make sense is beyond me.

I don't see how this is Jon CAIN's fault. Maybe McCain's but not CAIN's.

I've got to quit scanning.

[BobbyinTN]

True...but discrimination of ANY type is not cool. You know it too. It would be no differnt than saying Obama shouldn't be President because he is black. It is an inane comment to say that age, gender, race, or sexual preference should matter in qualification for a job, any job, even President.

Depends. I believe in individual rights first. If a business owner does not want to hire a person because they disagree with their sexual preference they should be able to not hire or be able to fire that person if they choose. Same thing with serving customers.

Being gay is one thing (and IMO is wrong) but this transgender stuff is flat out gross, disturbing, total freak behavior, and should be illegal. I definitely think they should excluded from any so called discrimination laws. If you have an employee named Joe on Friday at 5pm but they come back named Jane on Monday at 8am, I'm sorry but there's a problem. That is not a rational and normal thinking person. They should be fired on the spot.

Just proves you're more about money and business than you are individual rights. Republicans scream daily "smaller government" but what they really mean is they want government to be small where they are concerned and legislate everyone else out of existence.

You have no right to declare anyone "wrong" for who they are. Small minds are an amazing thing and hopefully soon going extinct.

[Tito]

True...but discrimination of ANY type is not cool. You know it too. It would be no differnt than saying Obama shouldn't be President because he is black. It is an inane comment to say that age, gender, race, or sexual preference should matter in qualification for a job, any job, even President.

Depends. I believe in individual rights first. If a business owner does not want to hire a person because they disagree with their sexual preference they should be able to not hire or be able to fire that person if they choose. Same thing with serving customers.

Being gay is one thing (and IMO is wrong) but this transgender stuff is flat out gross, disturbing, total freak behavior, and should be illegal. I definitely think they should excluded from any so called discrimination laws. If you have an employee named Joe on Friday at 5pm but they come back named Jane on Monday at 8am, I'm sorry but there's a problem. That is not a rational and normal thinking person. They should be fired on the spot.

Just proves you're more about money and business than you are individual rights. Republicans scream daily "smaller government" but what they really mean is they want government to be small where they are concerned and legislate everyone else out of existence.

You have no right to declare anyone "wrong" for who they are. Small minds are an amazing thing and hopefully soon going extinct.

Who am I legislating against? I'm giving people choices.

Transgender is flat out wrong. Weirdos are an amazing thing and hopefully soon going extinct.

[Don]

True...but discrimination of ANY type is not cool. You know it too. It would be no differnt than saying Obama shouldn't be President because he is black. It is an inane comment to say that age, gender, race, or sexual preference should matter in qualification for a job, any job, even President.

Depends. I believe in individual rights first. If a business owner does not want to hire a person because they disagree with their sexual preference they should be able to not hire or be able to fire that person if they choose. Same thing with serving customers.

Being gay is one thing (and IMO is wrong) but this transgender stuff is flat out gross, disturbing, total freak behavior, and should be illegal. I definitely think they should excluded from any so called discrimination laws. If you have an employee named Joe on Friday at 5pm but they come back named Jane on Monday at 8am, I'm sorry but there's a problem. That is not a rational and normal thinking person. They should be fired on the spot.

Just proves you're more about money and business than you are individual rights. Republicans scream daily "smaller government" but what they really mean is they want government to be small where they are concerned and legislate everyone else out of existence.

You have no right to declare anyone "wrong" for who they are. Small minds are an amazing thing and hopefully soon going extinct.

I don't know, the dinosaurs hung on for 150 million years and a lot of them were pea brains.

[Skylorde]

I won't penalize him for having a mistress. His wife is such a fucking gargoyle that if this turns out to be true I will vote for him.

LOL

[conversationpc]

I like Ron Paul. I could vote for him someday.

7...are you in the uk, or am I thinking of TNC?

7 Wishes is here and I believe TNC is in Philadelphia, if I remember correctly.

[BobbyinTN]

True...but discrimination of ANY type is not cool. You know it too. It would be no differnt than saying Obama shouldn't be President because he is black. It is an inane comment to say that age, gender, race, or sexual preference should matter in qualification for a job, any job, even President.

Depends. I believe in individual rights first. If a business owner does not want to hire a person because they disagree with their sexual preference they should be able to not hire or be able to fire that person if they choose. Same thing with serving customers.

Being gay is one thing (and IMO is wrong) but this transgender stuff is flat out gross, disturbing, total freak behavior, and should be illegal. I definitely think they should excluded from any so called discrimination laws. If you have an employee named Joe on Friday at 5pm but they come back named Jane on Monday at 8am, I'm sorry but there's a problem. That is not a rational and normal thinking person. They should be fired on the spot.

Just proves you're more about money and business than you are individual rights. Republicans scream daily "smaller government" but what they really mean is they want government to be small where they are concerned and legislate everyone else out of existence.

You have no right to declare anyone "wrong" for who they are. Small minds are an amazing thing and hopefully soon going extinct.

Who am I legislating against? I'm giving people choices.

Transgender is flat out wrong. Weirdos are an amazing thing and hopefully soon going extinct.

Why are they wrong? And don't bring religion into it, this country is not a theocracy. Explain to me how you know the minds of transgendered people. Explain to me how you can declare someone "wrong" unless you've walked a mile in their shoes? Maybe what's really wrong is you're scared of them.

[Skylorde]

dems/libs believe what they want to believe even when the truth comes up & punches them in the face they ignore it.

Sorry, but you're wrong again. We're much more conciliatory than Republicans. And these "truths" are, inconveniently for your side, not at all "true" but actually false.

Your party is in shambles. McCain is done.

Although the Republicans are not my party, it's all cyclical. Greed and corruption will get the better of Democrats (Just like the current crop of Republicans), they'll fuck it all up and the Republicans will be back in power.

Don't you get it? The two party system is the REAL problem here. Yea, I'd vote for Ron Paul too.

[conversationpc]

Although the Republicans are not my party, it's all cyclical. Greed and corruption will get the better of Democrats (Just like the current crop of Republicans), they'll fuck it all up and the Republicans will be back in power.

We're seeing it already...Charlie Rangel, Chris Dodd, Barney Frank, "Cold Cash Jefferson", and now the guy who took the place of that guy from Florida who was emailing sexually explicit message to his page (can't recall his name), etc., etc.

Don't you get it? The two party system is the REAL problem here. Yea, I'd vote for Ron Paul too.

I may end up voting for him as well.

[RossValoryRocks]

True...but discrimination of ANY type is not cool. You know it too. It would be no differnt than saying Obama shouldn't be President because he is black. It is an inane comment to say that age, gender, race, or sexual preference should matter in qualification for a job, any job, even President.

Depends. I believe in individual rights first. If a business owner does not want to hire a person because they disagree with their sexual preference they should be able to not hire or be able to fire that person if they choose. Same thing with serving customers.

Being gay is one thing (and IMO is wrong) but this transgender stuff is flat out gross, disturbing, total freak behavior, and should be illegal. I definitely think they should excluded from any so called discrimination laws. If you have an employee named Joe on Friday at 5pm but they come back named Jane on Monday at 8am, I'm sorry but there's a problem. That is not a rational and normal thinking person. They should be fired on the spot.

Just proves you're more about money and business than you are individual rights. Republicans scream daily "smaller government" but what they really mean is they want government to be small where they are concerned and legislate everyone else out of existence.

You have no right to declare anyone "wrong" for who they are. Small minds are an amazing thing and hopefully soon going extinct.

Who am I legislating against? I'm giving people choices.

Transgender is flat out wrong. Weirdos are an amazing thing and hopefully soon going extinct.

Why are they wrong? And don't bring religion into it, this country is not a theocracy. Explain to me how you know the minds of transgendered people. Explain to me how you can declare someone "wrong" unless you've walked a mile in their shoes? Maybe what's really wrong is you're scared of them.

Bobby I agree with you here. Hence my being a Conservative Libertarian. As far as government goes it has no place legislating a persons personal life, in the bedroom, in the womb, etc. Regardless of my personal beliefs on the subject.

I do believe the less government the better, and that includes government intervention in personal lives.

[conversationpc]

Bobby I agree with you here. Hence my being a Conservative Libertarian. As far as government goes it has no place legislating a persons personal life, in the bedroom, in the womb, etc. Regardless of my personal beliefs on the subject.

I do believe the less government the better, and that includes government intervention in personal lives.

I agree with you except for the "in the womb" comment. I think innocent human life should be protected and believe that is a libertarian principle.

[Don]

dems/libs believe what they want to believe even when the truth comes up & punches them in the face they ignore it.

Sorry, but you're wrong again. We're much more conciliatory than Republicans. And these "truths" are, inconveniently for your side, not at all "true" but actually false.

Your party is in shambles. McCain is done.

Although the Republicans are not my party, it's all cyclical. Greed and corruption will get the better of Democrats (Just like the current crop of Republicans), they'll fuck it all up and the Republicans will be back in power.

Don't you get it? The two party system is the REAL problem here. Yea, I'd vote for Ron Paul too.

Should we revamp everything and go with the Westminster system? Would it be better for us or is it too radical of a change?

[Saint John]

I don't consider transgenders people so they don't fall under the umbrella of "citizens."

[Skylorde]

So do you think it's the right thing to give oil companies a tax break after making record profits? They're the least needing of any financial assistance and haven't even asked for it, while every day working people are losing everything. Obama wants to help those who need help the most. How that doesn't make sense is beyond me.

Oil companies profit margin is a whopping 8%. Microsoft is around 25%. Why not go after them? Walmart is just over 10%, why not go after them too? Here's the problem with your statement.

When you let the government decide how much of your profit is "fair" and how much is "unfair", you've crossed a threshold you can never recover from. It's not the governments job to tax a person or entity because they deem their profits "unfair". If so, they will spend us into oblivion and at some point, people making 100k a year will be deemed "unfair" and "excessive" and smashed with some kind of similar tax.

[RossValoryRocks]

Bobby I agree with you here. Hence my being a Conservative Libertarian. As far as government goes it has no place legislating a persons personal life, in the bedroom, in the womb, etc. Regardless of my personal beliefs on the subject.

I do believe the less government the better, and that includes government intervention in personal lives.

I agree with you except for the "in the womb" comment. I think innocent human life should be protected and believe that is a libertarian principle.

I said regardless of my personal beliefs. I think abortion is horrid, and that it is the taken of a life. But in this case I don't think it the governments right to interfere with a one human life to save another.

I believe in the end God will judge them, and I am satisfied with that.

[conversationpc]

When you let the government decide how much of your profit is "fair" and how much is "unfair", you've crossed a threshold you can never recover from. It's not the governments job to tax a person or entity because they deem their profits "unfair". If so, they will spend us into oblivion and at some point, people making 100k a year will be deemed "unfair" and "excessive" and smashed with some kind of similar tax.

I think because of Bush's and the rest of the government's meddling in the economy, that is a good possibility.

[BobbyinTN]

True...but discrimination of ANY type is not cool. You know it too. It would be no differnt than saying Obama shouldn't be President because he is black. It is an inane comment to say that age, gender, race, or sexual preference should matter in qualification for a job, any job, even President.

Depends. I believe in individual rights first. If a business owner does not want to hire a person because they disagree with their sexual preference they should be able to not hire or be able to fire that person if they choose. Same thing with serving customers.

Being gay is one thing (and IMO is wrong) but this transgender stuff is flat out gross, disturbing, total freak behavior, and should be illegal. I definitely think they should excluded from any so called discrimination laws. If you have an employee named Joe on Friday at 5pm but they come back named Jane on Monday at 8am, I'm sorry but there's a problem. That is not a rational and normal thinking person. They should be fired on the spot.

Just proves you're more about money and business than you are individual rights. Republicans scream daily "smaller government" but what they really mean is they want government to be small where they are concerned and legislate everyone else out of existence.

You have no right to declare anyone "wrong" for who they are. Small minds are an amazing thing and hopefully soon going extinct.

Who am I legislating against? I'm giving people choices.

Transgender is flat out wrong. Weirdos are an amazing thing and hopefully soon going extinct.

Why are they wrong? And don't bring religion into it, this country is not a theocracy. Explain to me how you know the minds of transgendered people. Explain to me how you can declare someone "wrong" unless you've walked a mile in their shoes? Maybe what's really wrong is you're scared of them.

Bobby I agree with you here. Hence my being a Conservative Libertarian. As far as government goes it has no place legislating a persons personal life, in the bedroom, in the womb, etc. Regardless of my personal beliefs on the subject.

I do believe the less government the better, and that includes government intervention in personal lives.

Thank you RossValoryRocks!! I believe in many things Libertarians believe, but I'm still too "liberal" to be a part of that group. LOL

[conversationpc]

I said regardless of my personal beliefs. I think abortion is horrid, and that it is the taken of a life. But in this case I don't think it the governments right to interfere with a one human life to save another.

In most cases, it's not interfering with one human life but simply one human's inconvenience.

[BobbyinTN]

I don't consider transgenders people so they don't fall under the umbrella of "citizens."

Wow!! That's pretty fuckin' heartless.

[conversationpc]

I don't consider transgenders people so they don't fall under the umbrella of "citizens."

Wow!! That's pretty fuckin' heartless.

I agree...I think they are weirdos but they are certainly entitled to rights as citizens.