The 2008 US Presidential Election Thread

[Tito]

Tito,

Homosexuality is not an illness. It's an innate behavior, and according to the United States Constitution, the only true and revered value is the "pursuit of life, liberty and happiness." So as for homosexuals, as long as he or she doesn't in any way shape or form, prevent you or impede your path from obtaining that particular value, I don't see why they aren't allowed the same avenue? Big deal, so a man loves a man, or a woman loves a woman? I look at Ellen DeGeneres and Portia and see complete bliss. That to me looks very much more positive than say, OJ and Nicole, or Donald and Ivana, or even, Neal and his x number of wives.

Also, you might want to lay off homosexuals. Friga is either on the cusp of, or very much on the inside of said venture. Just because Sarah is not down with tool slobbering from dudes, doesn't make it gospel.

Now that I have schooled you in the art of tolerance, go to the Blackhawks game tonight and feel free to lambaste Shane Doan or Ed Jovonovski, but God forbid, if I hear you called out the Great One, you and I will have issues. I am coming to Chicago in a few weeks, so watch your step tonight.

PS_ Make sure to tell Bryzgalov that Anaheim says "fuck you" and he isn't missed. Well actually, don't, as he is better than the goalie they have now. Scratch that last retarded comment by yours truly.

What about this shit? http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c ... 13F1VG.DTL

[strangegrey]

Bottom line, the bailout ain't gonna work and it will probably do more damage than anything. It's going to fall no matter what. Just get it over with.

No argument there...Im not saying it's going to.

I would rather see the fucking bottom fall out and let companies that should fail fail....even if it means half the fucking companies on the DOW and 20 percent of the s&p500

I have read and seen it all.

The bailout will work. It is ugly and unwanted but like taxes, necessary. Paulson is a son of a bitch but he is smart and knows what he needs to do.

Frank, you can't let companies fail if there is a way to not let them. That is what the government can and should do in this case.

I disagree regarding Paulson's intelligence...I don't think he's the best person to be spearheading this rescue.

I'm still of the opinion that if you're going to throw money at this problem, you fix it from the bottom up.
Fixing it from the top down is akin to pouring water into a fish tank with holes that have yet to be repaired.

Help the people with the toxic mortgages. The toxic papers associated with these mortgages will mostly rebound. Then you go after the architects of this problem, with both guns blazing....and FINALLY...you help corporations in need.


But seriously dude, there are some companies that need to die. There's a bit of darwinism in this that needs to be played out.

[Lula]

Clinton was and is a genius. That guy could govern, party and get drained in the Oval Office and convince everyone that all was good.

[Tito]

Clinton was and is a genius. That guy could govern, party and get drained in the Oval Office and convince everyone that all was good.

I DID NOT SAY THAT! SLANDEROUS.

[RedWingFan]

Clinton was and is a genius. That guy could govern, party and get drained in the Oval Office and convince everyone that all was good.

Yeah, all while Osama schemed.

[Lula]

What about this shit? http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c ... 13F1VG.DTL

Welcome to the 21st Century. A lesbian teacher? So? Life is changing. The world we live in is changing. Just as there was Dixie cups and a line of string that evolved into a telegraph and finally into a cell phone industry, June and Ward Cleaver has evolved into Ellen and Portia.

Perhaps the school should have used better judgement for it's choice of field trips. Frankly, I would have taken the little fuckers to opening night at the Shark Tank against the Los Angeles Queens. Guaranteed victory and a flurry of goals were to be had!

[BobbyinTN]

I have one remark about this homo shit, and one remark only.

If there was a shortage of butt lube in San Francisco, fucking Pelosi would support drilling for oil on the moon.

Maybe she could get enough from W and his capped oil fields.

[Lula]

Well the republican's were able to get Clinton to sign welfare reform in the '90's (after he vetoed it twice) Absolutely there is more work to be done. Some of us here argue and push for what's right. While some of you argue against it.

Erroneous fucker.

Clinton campaigned on and [b]wanted welfare reform. You make it sound like the "Democratic president had his feet held to the fuckin fire." [/b] Gimme a break.

Now go call Fact Finder and get an archaic link produced by Drudge or Limbfat and post it here saying otherwise. I don't care. You fuckers can't throw a fastball by me and you know it. I will turn that around faster than you can say Ted Stevens.

You are dead wrong about this, dead fucking wrong, why do you libs lie Deano? Clinton vetoed Welfare Reform TWICE before he finally signed the Pubbie 3rd version before the Dem Convention in 1996.

Fuck you Lie Finder. So what he vetoed it twice. He still wanted welfare reform. Ever stop to think that the previous two bills had language in there he didn't like?

Calling me a liar now? Aren't you Cons all up in arms about name calling? I guess the 14 point ass kicking going on in the General, as well as the HUGE and LONG coat tails of Obama have your vaginas bleeding a sea of red.

LOL, I love to see you fuckers spinning like tops.

Right after he signed the bill he told his supporters (who didn't like that he had signed it) that he would fix it after the election. He never did. Just one of many lies that Clinton spewed to both sides during his 8 years.

Where is you ever present citation in the form of a bullshit link?

You are full of shit and you know it. You act as if you can slip anything by anyone here. Dude, like I said, you will never get me on strikes.

[Lula]

I have one remark about this homo shit, and one remark only.

If there was a shortage of butt lube in San Francisco, fucking Pelosi would support drilling for oil on the moon.

You just proved your homophobic tendencies and your short sightedness. Congratulations on being such a close minded fuck.

Being a social conservative must be embarrassing.

[RedWingFan]

Well the republican's were able to get Clinton to sign welfare reform in the '90's (after he vetoed it twice) Absolutely there is more work to be done. Some of us here argue and push for what's right. While some of you argue against it.

Erroneous fucker.

Clinton campaigned on and [b]wanted welfare reform. You make it sound like the "Democratic president had his feet held to the fuckin fire." [/b] Gimme a break.

Now go call Fact Finder and get an archaic link produced by Drudge or Limbfat and post it here saying otherwise. I don't care. You fuckers can't throw a fastball by me and you know it. I will turn that around faster than you can say Ted Stevens.

You are dead wrong about this, dead fucking wrong, why do you libs lie Deano? Clinton vetoed Welfare Reform TWICE before he finally signed the Pubbie 3rd version before the Dem Convention in 1996.

Fuck you Lie Finder. So what he vetoed it twice. He still wanted welfare reform. Ever stop to think that the previous two bills had language in there he didn't like?

You mean language like limiting welfare benefits for his base?????

[Lula]

Clinton was and is a genius. That guy could govern, party and get drained in the Oval Office and convince everyone that all was good.

Yeah, all while Osama schemed.

I don't even look at not to mention respond to your meager attempts of argument, but will in this particular instance.

Yeah dude, Osama schemed, but Bush allowed it to happen. That definitely equates to Clinton's fault.

Typical republican blame game.

[Tito]

Dude, like I said, you will never get me on strikes.

You going 45-0 against him too like you are against Stu?

[S2M]

'Osama....in the highest......'

[RedWingFan]

Clinton was and is a genius. That guy could govern, party and get drained in the Oval Office and convince everyone that all was good.

Yeah, all while Osama schemed.

I don't even look at not to mention respond to your meager attempts of argument, but will in this particular instance.

Yeah dude, Osama schemed, but Bush allowed it to happen. That definitely equates to Clinton's fault.

Typical republican blame game.

Bush allowed WTC '93???? USS Cole????

[Lula]

You mean language like limiting welfare benefits for his base?????

Yes, quite possibly. So, the people whom Democrats represent happen to be impoverished and poor. Is that a crime? Someone has to help out the less unfortunate. I see you Cons could give two shits about the lower third of our economic class of folk. Hell, why not just kill them. Take care of the problem you have with them and exterminate them.

I bet secretly you would all say "Hell yes" to that.

[BobbyinTN]

US election: McCain aide's firm 'accepted fees from Freddie Mac'Daniel Nasaw in Washington guardian.co.uk, Wednesday September 24 2008 15.17 BST Article history
Rick Davis with John McCain before McCain’s speech at the Republican National Convention. Photograph: Charles Dharapak/AP

A consulting firm owned by John McCain's campaign manager accepted large fees from a mortgage company at the centre of the financial crisis ripping through Wall Street, according to reports today.

A firm led by Rick Davis, a long-time McCain aide and chief of the Republican candidate's day-to-day campaign, received payments totalling $500,000 between the end of 2005 and last month from Freddie Mac, according to the New York Times and others this morning.



http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/se ... ohnmccain1

[Tito]

You mean language like limiting welfare benefits for his base?????

Yes, quite possibly. So, the people whom Democrats represent happen to be impoverished and poor. Is that a crime? Someone has to help out the less unfortunate. I see you Cons could give two shits about the lower third of our economic class of folk. Hell, why not just kill them. Take care of the problem you have with them and exterminate them.

I bet secretly you would all say "Hell yes" to that.

Secretly? I'll come right out and say it, "HELL YES!!!!!!!!"

[Lula]

Where is you ever present citation in the form of a bullshit link?

Wait a cotton picking minute....you want a c&p and a link? Damned if I do, damned if I don't.

Trust me, what I wrote above about Clinton and welfare reform is correct. After work I'll see about proving you wrong for about the 100th time. BTW, you asked last night about us linking Barry and Farrakhan...I provided some proof in the form of links and C&P, wanna re-address that topic?

I really don't care what you all think you "prove." I am voting for who I want and last time I checked, a good chunk of the majority of the country was with me and against you.

Don't bother "finding" a link. I really could give two shits. I never click on your links anyway. If I wanted to read bullshit, I would go directly to Drudge, Limbaugh or Fox. Save it.

[Tito]

Where is you ever present citation in the form of a bullshit link?

Wait a cotton picking minute....you want a c&p and a link? Damned if I do, damned if I don't.

Trust me, what I wrote above about Clinton and welfare reform is correct. After work I'll see about proving you wrong for about the 100th time. BTW, you asked last night about us linking Barry and Farrakhan...I provided some proof in the form of links and C&P, wanna re-address that topic?

I really don't care what you all think you "prove." I am voting for who I want and last time I checked, a good chunk of the majority of the country was with me and against you.

Don't bother "finding" a link. I really could give two shits. I never click on your links anyway. If I wanted to read bullshit, I would go directly to Drudge, Limbaugh or Fox. Save it.

How did you become so stupid?

[Skylorde]

The smoking gun! I just KNEW this is all McCain's fault!

US election: McCain aide's firm 'accepted fees from Freddie Mac'Daniel Nasaw in Washington guardian.co.uk, Wednesday September 24 2008 15.17 BST Article history
Rick Davis with John McCain before McCain’s speech at the Republican National Convention. Photograph: Charles Dharapak/AP

A consulting firm owned by John McCain's campaign manager accepted large fees from a mortgage company at the centre of the financial crisis ripping through Wall Street, according to reports today.

A firm led by Rick Davis, a long-time McCain aide and chief of the Republican candidate's day-to-day campaign, received payments totalling $500,000 between the end of 2005 and last month from Freddie Mac, according to the New York Times and others this morning.



http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/se ... ohnmccain1

[Lula]

Clinton was and is a genius. That guy could govern, party and get drained in the Oval Office and convince everyone that all was good.

Yeah, all while Osama schemed.

I don't even look at not to mention respond to your meager attempts of argument, but will in this particular instance.

Yeah dude, Osama schemed, but Bush allowed it to happen. That definitely equates to Clinton's fault.

Typical republican blame game.

Bush allowed WTC '93???? USS Cole????

Clinton absolutely fucked up on this. He has to take responsibility for the WTC93 and the Cole. Now if that is your ace in the hole, then your team must accept that W takes full responsibilty on the largest terror attack in history. Something tells me though that ain't happening.

[Don]

You mean language like limiting welfare benefits for his base?????

Yes, quite possibly. So, the people whom Democrats represent happen to be impoverished and poor. Is that a crime? Someone has to help out the less unfortunate. I see you Cons could give two shits about the lower third of our economic class of folk. Hell, why not just kill them. Take care of the problem you have with them and exterminate them.

I bet secretly you would all say "Hell yes" to that.

Secretly? I'll come right out and say it, "HELL YES!!!!!!!!"

Do you wear one of these on your lapel?

[Skylorde]

Clinton absolutely fucked up on this. He has to take responsibility for the WTC93 and the Cole. Now if that is your ace in the hole, then your team must accept that W takes full responsibilty on the largest terror attack in history. Something tells me though that ain't happening.

You aren't being completely realistic. There's ample evidence to show both Administration's were completely incompetent at realizing with and dealing with Bin Laden.

[Rick]

Clinton absolutely fucked up on this. He has to take responsibility for the WTC93 and the Cole. Now if that is your ace in the hole, then your team must accept that W takes full responsibilty on the largest terror attack in history. Something tells me though that ain't happening.

You aren't being completely realistic. There's ample evidence to show both Administration's were completely incompetent at realizing with and dealing with Bin Laden.

I'm sure neither administration thought a rogue group of extremist Muslims could pull that off though. Everyone was caught off guard and were exposed to the ultimate in shock and awe.

[Lula]

Wow...clueless and don't have all the facts...Obama gave $800,000 THIS YEAR to ACORN.

okay mister i have all the facts and know everything, show me the documentation that obama gave $800,000 to acorn. i know of the contribution to a subsidiary and it was during the primary, but when the fraud was spotted he dropped them and is not using them for the general.

i am many things stu, but clueless is not one of them.

U.S. Sen. Barack Obama's presidential campaign paid more than $800,000 to an offshoot of the liberal Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now for services the Democrat's campaign says it mistakenly misrepresented in federal reports.

An Obama spokesman said Federal Election Commission reports would be amended to show Citizens Services Inc. -- a subsidiary of ACORN -- worked in "get-out-the-vote" projects, instead of activities such as polling, advance work and staging major events as stated in FEC finance reports filed during the primary.

right, this is what i've stated as knowing. has nothing to do with the general election.

[Lula]

Humor Deano...laugh a little will ya..I know I am. Laughing at you being all righteous and shit...

I laugh all the time, at things that are laughable. People's sexual orientation, economic opression, and other serious issues that we debate here to me at least are not laugh worthy. I am not a big fan of "killing the lower third of the economic class" or telling all blacks to go away, or jailing all the homosexuals.

I make fun of Friga being gay, because of course he isn't. see the difference?

You Cons are proving your true inner hatred in public.

I am for the country pulling as one, not by the only the strongest. I am for everyone getting on that train to legal justice, economic happiness and social equality. I don't care if you're black, gay, aids ridden or a Journey fan, an American is an American, and to me, the train takes all passengers, not just a select few. There is NO criteria from my point of thinking. How can we as a people, as "the beacon of light" the world sees, discriminate in any way shape or form? What have we become where we can't see people as people, but as less or more? Maybe I will be laughed at here, and maybe become the biggest joke on here, but that's how I envision, and always thought America was all about.

I want what's best for the greater good. Sorry if that rubs some the wrong way, but I am entitled to my opinion aren't I?

Yeah, I guess I am stupid, Tito.

[Lula]

Clinton absolutely fucked up on this. He has to take responsibility for the WTC93 and the Cole. Now if that is your ace in the hole, then your team must accept that W takes full responsibilty on the largest terror attack in history. Something tells me though that ain't happening.

You aren't being completely realistic. There's ample evidence to show both Administration's were completely incompetent at realizing with and dealing with Bin Laden.

Save it. When W ignored security bulletins in favour of drafting up Iraq war plans, and tax cuts for his wealthy buddies, and it happened on his watch, then it is ALL on him. How the fuck can you in any way angle Clinton in on this blame? My God, Bill was long gone. The Clinton Administration warned the incoming team of this. Rice, Wolfowitz, Cheney and Bush refused to read the reports and they fucked up.

[RedWingFan]

Clinton was and is a genius. That guy could govern, party and get drained in the Oval Office and convince everyone that all was good.

Yeah, all while Osama schemed.

I don't even look at not to mention respond to your meager attempts of argument, but will in this particular instance.
Yeah dude, Osama schemed, but Bush allowed it to happen. That definitely equates to Clinton's fault.
Typical republican blame game.

Bush allowed WTC '93???? USS Cole????

Clinton absolutely fucked up on this. He has to take responsibility for the WTC93 and the Cole. Now if that is your ace in the hole, then your team must accept that W takes full responsibilty on the largest terror attack in history. Something tells me though that ain't happening.

My point is Clinton ONLY prosecuted WTC93 in court instead of going after Osama like he should have.
Ask yourself honestly, how would have you and your ilk have responded if Bush on the day after his inauguration sent the military to get Osama? Would your response have been Bush the warmonger maybe?

[strangegrey]

My point is Clinton ONLY prosecuted WTC93 in court instead of going after Osama like he should have.
Ask yourself honestly, how would have you and your ilk have responded if Bush on the day after his inauguration sent the military to get Osama? Would your response have been Bush the warmonger maybe?

I highly doubt, marching into office in january of 2001, Hayseed had a single thought about Osama. He was probably trying to wrangle every fucking scenario he came across into a way to find pretext for going into iraq....

[Skylorde]

Save it. When W ignored security bulletins in favour of drafting up Iraq war plans, and tax cuts for his wealthy buddies, and it happened on his watch, then it is ALL on him. How the fuck can you in any way angle Clinton in on this blame? My God, Bill was long gone. The Clinton Administration warned the incoming team of this. Rice, Wolfowitz, Cheney and Bush refused to read the reports and they fucked up.

Your blind hatred of the Bush Administration really blinds you from seeing the whole picture, seeing the TRUTH. There is no salvation in EITHER party, the only difference being the way they mount us up before they give it to us long and hard.