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Postby RedWingFan » Thu Oct 16, 2008 8:51 am

Lula wrote:
RedWingFan wrote:You mean language like limiting welfare benefits for his base????? :lol: :lol: :lol:


Yes, quite possibly. So, the people whom Democrats represent happen to be impoverished and poor. Is that a crime? Someone has to help out the less unfortunate.

This is where you fail to understand conservatism Dean. Welfare reform HELPED the poor. The democrats' purpose is not to help them but to keep them as voters!!!!

In fact Marian Wright Edelman was chairman of the Children's Defense Fund. Her husband Peter resigned in his outrage because he believed millions were going to be harmed. Years later he admitted that he was wrong and couldn't believe that it had in fact helped.

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editor ... m_success/

The results speak for themselves. Since peaking in 1994, the nation's welfare caseload plummeted by 60 percent, falling from 5 million families to fewer than 2 million. Welfare recipients went to work in droves. The employment rate among those who had been likeliest to slip into long-term dependence -- young mothers who had never been married -- soared by nearly 100 percent. And as more and more mothers left welfare and got jobs, more and more of their children were lifted out of poverty.

Far from throwing a million kids into the streets, welfare reform sent the child poverty rate tumbling, from 20.8 percent in 1995 to 17.8 percent in 2004. In black communities, where welfare had done the most damage, the decline was even more dramatic. ``Black child poverty plummeted at an unprecedented rate, falling to 30.0 percent in 2001," Robert Rector of the Heritage Foundation testified before Congress . ``In 2001, despite the recession, the poverty rate for black children was at the lowest point in national history."Not everything has been reformed. The 1996 law affected only the basic welfare program, Aid to Families with Dependent Children. But dozens of other welfare entitlements, such as food stamps and Medicaid, still operate under the old rules. And while the out-of-wedlock birth rate is no longer skyrocketing, it is still far too high -- as are the poverty and social chaos it begets.
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Postby Lula » Thu Oct 16, 2008 8:51 am

Skylorde wrote:Your blind hatred of the Bush Administration really blinds you from seeing the whole picture, seeing the TRUTH. There is no salvation in EITHER party, the only difference being the way they mount us up before they give it to us long and hard.


Oh it isn't a blind hatred. it is very transparent and factual. They deserve no respect at all.

I love how you Cons always seem to say, "it's BOTH parties fault" when your party is the one taking some. Look at the election right now. I see republicans saying, 'it's both parties fault" referring to the economy. No, it's not both parties fault. The last eight years have been under republican rule. 6 of the 8 in Congress under republican rule. The only reason the Congress is getting piss poor grades is because there are just enough republicans in there running roadblocks and preventing legislation from getting done. Are Pelosi and Reid idiots? Yes, absolutely. Tools to be exact. However, there is a reason that 10 of the 12 open Senate seats are going Democratic, and that is Mitch McConnell of Kentucky can hang on. It is a wave of voter disproval and the people with "R's" next to their name are getting booted out of office.

I will say Skylorde, I am not at all saying the Dems are perfect or even good. Lula and I argue this all the time. She gets so pissed when I run down some of these liberal Congressmen. I don't give a shit, a bad congressperson is a bad congressperson. So, in summation, I am saying the Dems are decent, but the republicans are liquid diahrea.
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Postby Don » Thu Oct 16, 2008 9:03 am

Shares dropped 8% today, the rollercoaster continues.
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Postby RedWingFan » Thu Oct 16, 2008 9:09 am

Fact Finder wrote:http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2006/09/13/welfare_reform_success/

For all that Clinton got wrong, welfare reform was one thing he ended up getting very right. He had vetoed two previous reform bills passed by the Republican-controlled Congress, and when the House and Senate came back with a third bill, liberal pressure for another veto was intense. But political strategist Dick Morris warned Clinton that a third veto could cost him the 1996 election, and so, pronouncing it a ``historic opportunity to do what is right," he signed the bill.

The chorus of outrage from the left was deafening. Marian Wright Edelman, chairman of the Children's Defense Fund, warned that Clinton's signature would ``leave a moral blot on his presidency and on our nation." Senator Patrick Leahy of Vermont denounced the bill as ``anti-family, anti child, and mean-spirited." Hugh Price, head of the National Urban League, declared that ``Washington has decided to end the War on Poverty and begin a war on children." Over and over it was said that welfare reform would wreak social devastation, throwing vast numbers of people, including a million children, into poverty.

Peter Edelman, the husband of Marian Wright Edelman and an assistant secretary of health and human services, resigned in protest and condemned the new law in a long article -- ``The Worst Thing Bill Clinton Has Done" -- in The Atlantic. It predicted, among other things, ``more malnutrition and more crime, increased infant mortality, and increased drug and alcohol abuse . . . increased family violence and abuse against children and women." He concluded, this ``terrible legislation" would do ``serious injury to American children."

Dude, I just posted this link. :lol:
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Postby Lula » Thu Oct 16, 2008 9:23 am

RedWingFan wrote:This is where you fail to understand conservatism Dean. Welfare reform HELPED the poor. The democrats' only purpose is not to help them but to keep them as voters!!!!


Firstly, don't tell me what I fail to recognize. I know all too well what conservatism is. It's about pandering to the well to do and a big fuck you to everyone else. Reagan succeeded with his brand of conservatism because he knew what he wanted and how to get it. props to him. While I do not agree with all his policies, it's hard to argue with the product of his presidency. Dude was a cowboy, and I think that worked well in that time era. We needed a motherfucker to stand up to Gorbachev and Reagan did so. Sorry, got off on a tangent that has nothing to do with domestic conservatism.

Back to Liberalism v conservatism. I honestly believe in a mixture of both. Some things from each faction are I think wonderful and just, and some things are dreadful. Look, I am saying as a citizen, as a social citizen, that this is a government for the people and by the people, so shouldn't ALL people have a chance at success? You have got to want it, work hard and play by the rules. Please don't cite the "lazy nigger who won't work" or "the Mary Jane Mexican who sponges free healthcare off Yankee taxpayers." I know there are exceptions to every rule. I just cannot stand to see my brothers and sisters, some who work really hard to try to get ahead in life the right way, only to have real life tragedies derail them. A young black woman working a split shift and going to college to better herself and contribute to society in a meaningful way, comes down with pnuemonia, and has no health insurance and then it snowballs. Gone is dream, her job may be lost, her bills mount up, and college gets lost in the fog, and she becomes a statistic. Shit happens to all of us. You think people desire to be poor and useless? There are homeless folks who are there not because they are lazy, but some are there because they are veteran's who were denied assistance form the very government who they went and fought for. My entire point is not everyone who is poor is a bad person, just like every rich person is not a scumbag.
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Postby donnaplease » Thu Oct 16, 2008 9:34 am

BobbyinTN wrote:
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BobbyinTN wrote:The same with gay marriage. Those opposed to gay marriage are opposed soley for bigoted reasons, because if they thought about it, they would know it doesn't affect them one iota in their private lives.


There are a good number of gays who are against gay marriage. Are they bigoted also?


No, they're just stupid. LOL However, I'm very involved with the community and have never encountered a homosexual who was against same-sex marriage.


I share an office with a lesbian. She is very against gay marriage. She's very liberal in her idealogy (of course) but she thinks this is a non-issue, something raised just to have something to bitch about.
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Postby cookieduster » Thu Oct 16, 2008 9:42 am

Fact Finder wrote:
It's about pandering to the well to do and a big fuck you to everyone else.


Dude, do you think I'm rich?

I'm not pandering to anyone but myself. I, Me, My!

Everyone else needs a job and a savings account, not me. I don't owe anyone nothing..except CitiBank! :wink:

I pay my "dues". Every quarter. Spend it how you wish.


Well said! We are moderates yet we have to lean towards the Republicans in the way they vote
most of the time. Being lumped in with the extremists by the libs. all the time is so unfair.
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Postby RedWingFan » Thu Oct 16, 2008 9:46 am

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RedWingFan wrote:This is where you fail to understand conservatism Dean. Welfare reform HELPED the poor. The democrats' only purpose is not to help them but to keep them as voters!!!!


Firstly, don't tell me what I fail to recognize.

Firstly, I said "you fail to understand." :lol:
Lula wrote:Look, I am saying as a citizen, as a social citizen, that this is a government for the people and by the people, so shouldn't ALL people have a chance at success?

Absolutely, I agree. What I disagree with is trying to "guarantee results." I am against any discrimination in hiring, and I'm also against quotas.
Lula wrote:You think people desire to be poor and useless?

:lol: I don't know why, but this sentence made me laugh. :lol: "poor and useless" :lol:
I think more and more people are relying on government to take care of them. Government usually fails like in N.O.
If you want more of something subsidize it. If you want less of something tax it. That's why Liberalism/Socialism never works. It's human nature to get by with doing as little as possible. Nobody, including the messiah Barack Obama can change that.
Lula wrote:There are homeless folks who are there not because they are lazy, but some are there because they are veteran's who were denied assistance form the very government who they went and fought for.

On my last trip to Detroit for a Tigers game all the folks asking for change seemed to be drunk.
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Postby Skylorde » Thu Oct 16, 2008 9:58 am

Lula wrote:Back to Liberalism v conservatism. I honestly believe in a mixture of both. Some things from each faction are I think wonderful and just, and some things are dreadful. Look, I am saying as a citizen, as a social citizen, that this is a government for the people and by the people, so shouldn't ALL people have a chance at success? You have got to want it, work hard and play by the rules. Please don't cite the "lazy nigger who won't work" or "the Mary Jane Mexican who sponges free healthcare off Yankee taxpayers." I know there are exceptions to every rule. I just cannot stand to see my brothers and sisters, some who work really hard to try to get ahead in life the right way, only to have real life tragedies derail them. A young black woman working a split shift and going to college to better herself and contribute to society in a meaningful way, comes down with pnuemonia, and has no health insurance and then it snowballs. Gone is dream, her job may be lost, her bills mount up, and college gets lost in the fog, and she becomes a statistic. Shit happens to all of us. You think people desire to be poor and useless? There are homeless folks who are there not because they are lazy, but some are there because they are veteran's who were denied assistance form the very government who they went and fought for. My entire point is not everyone who is poor is a bad person, just like every rich person is not a scumbag.


We probably find more to agree on than what we disagree on. I get the health care thing and I *am* sympathetic to the type of scenario you described. My only reluctance is, and has always been, is I have ZERO faith in the government to do ANYTHING right.

30% of Medicare was found to be fraud. Can you gobble down this number: 60 BILLION FUCKING DOLLARS per year? What will it be with a national health care plan? We'll be paying maximum dollar for the crappiest care on the planet.

Bottom line is, entitlement programs bring out the fucking worst in people in the form of greed.

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Postby RedWingFan » Thu Oct 16, 2008 10:11 am

Let's see if the media carries out these marching orders. Obama has the media in his back pocket. If he had ANY substance he'd be up by 20 points. :lol: McCain is going to win and all you're gonna here is "how did this happen?" :lol:

OBAMA CAMPAIGN ISSUES TALKING POINTS TO MEDIA AHEAD OF DEBATE
Wed Oct 15 2008 11:13:03 ET

The Obama campaign issued a set of debate 'talking points' to media on Wednesday morning, the DRUDGE REPORT can reveal.

Press Secretary Sean Smith issued the directive in an email from Pennsylvania, 12 hours before the debate.

The memo oddly mirrors much of the main press analysis and theme of the current campaign:



-------- Original Message --------
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 09:37:27 -0500
From: Sean Smith [s***mith@barackobama.com]
To: Sean Smith [s***mith@barackobama.com]

* This is John McCain's last chance to turn this race around and somehow convince the American people that his erratic response to this economic crisis doesn't disqualify him from being President.

* Just this weekend the weekend, John McCain vowed to "whip Obama's you-know-what" at the debate, and he's indicated that he'll be bringing up Bill Ayers to try to distract voters.

* So we know that Senator McCain will come ready to attack Barack Obama and bring his dishonorable campaign tactics to the debate stage.

Obama continues to lead on the economic crisis with a rescue plan for Main Street.

* Over the course of the campaign, Barack Obama has laid out a set of policies that will grow our middle class and strengthen our economy.

* But he knows we face an immediate economic emergency that requires urgent action - on top of the plans he's already laid out - to help workers and families and communities struggling right now.

* That's why Barack Obama is introducing a comprehensive four-part Rescue Plan for the Middle Class - to immediately to stabilize our financial system, provide relief to families and communities, and help struggling homeowners.

* This is a plan that can and should be implemented immediately.

* Obama has shown steady leadership during this crisis and offered concrete solutions to move the country forward - and his Rescue Plan for the Middle Class builds on the plans to strengthen the economy and rebuild the middle class that he's laid out over the course of this campaign.

* Already in this campaign, he's unveiled plans to give 95 percent of workers and their families a tax cut, eliminate income taxes for seniors making under $50,000, bring down the cost of health care for families and businesses; and create millions of new jobs by investing in the renewable energy sources.

* John McCain has been erratic and unsteady since this crisis began - staggering from position to position and trying to change the subject away from the economy by launching false character attacks.

END
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Postby treetopovskaya » Thu Oct 16, 2008 10:12 am

news flash 7 wishes... i am not a republican. i was a dem... and very much a lib. }:C) so i know what i speak of.

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treetopovskaya wrote:dems/libs believe what they want to believe even when the truth comes up & punches them in the face they ignore it.


Sorry, but you're wrong again. We're much more conciliatory than Republicans. And these "truths" are, inconveniently for your side, not at all "true" but actually false.

Your party is in shambles. McCain is done.
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Postby Rick » Thu Oct 16, 2008 10:18 am

RedWingFan wrote:Let's see if the media carries out these marching orders. Obama has the media in his back pocket. If he had ANY substance he'd be up by 20 points. :lol: McCain is going to win and all you're gonna here is "how did this happen?" :lol:


Whoever wins will get in office to find what a real mess this country is in and may just resign. :lol:

40 minutes until the fun starts. :D
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Postby RedWingFan » Thu Oct 16, 2008 10:19 am

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RedWingFan wrote:Let's see if the media carries out these marching orders. Obama has the media in his back pocket. If he had ANY substance he'd be up by 20 points. :lol: McCain is going to win and all you're gonna here is "how did this happen?" :lol:


Whoever wins will get in office to find what a real mess this country is in and may just resign. :lol:

That's okay, I prefer Palin anyway. :D
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Postby Rick » Thu Oct 16, 2008 10:21 am

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RedWingFan wrote:Let's see if the media carries out these marching orders. Obama has the media in his back pocket. If he had ANY substance he'd be up by 20 points. :lol: McCain is going to win and all you're gonna here is "how did this happen?" :lol:


Whoever wins will get in office to find what a real mess this country is in and may just resign. :lol:

That's okay, I prefer Palin anyway. :D


You're a brave soul. :lol:
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Postby RedWingFan » Thu Oct 16, 2008 10:24 am

Talk about stealing elections. Sheesh....

Any libs here outraged about this? Whatever it takes to win huh? Before you come in crying about 2000 be prepared to inform us how Bush infiltrated democratic precincts and the democratic mind of the democrat who designed the butterfly ballot. :D
About 200K Ohio voters have records discrepancies

Oct 15 08:18 PM US/Eastern
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CINCINNATI (AP) - Close to one in every three newly registered Ohio voters will end up on court-ordered lists being sent to county election boards because they have some discrepancy in their records, an elections spokesman said Wednesday.
Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner estimated that an initial review found that about 200,000 newly registered voters reported information that did not match motor-vehicle or Social Security records, Brunner spokesman Kevin Kidder said. Some discrepancies could be as simple as a misspelling, while others could be more significant.

The 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Cincinnati sided with the Ohio Republican Party on Tuesday and ordered Brunner to set up a system that provides those names to county elections boards. The GOP contends the information will help prevent fraud.
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Postby Rick » Thu Oct 16, 2008 10:24 am

Fact Finder wrote:
Rick wrote:
RedWingFan wrote:Let's see if the media carries out these marching orders. Obama has the media in his back pocket. If he had ANY substance he'd be up by 20 points. :lol: McCain is going to win and all you're gonna here is "how did this happen?" :lol:


Whoever wins will get in office to find what a real mess this country is in and may just resign. :lol:

40 minutes until the fun starts. :D


I wouldn't want this job...I'd be good at it, but the pay sucks. :lol:


What is it now $400,000 with great benefits? That's not too bad, but the stress level and hours are atrocious.
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Postby S2M » Thu Oct 16, 2008 10:26 am

Rick wrote:
Fact Finder wrote:
Rick wrote:
RedWingFan wrote:Let's see if the media carries out these marching orders. Obama has the media in his back pocket. If he had ANY substance he'd be up by 20 points. :lol: McCain is going to win and all you're gonna here is "how did this happen?" :lol:


Whoever wins will get in office to find what a real mess this country is in and may just resign. :lol:

40 minutes until the fun starts. :D


I wouldn't want this job...I'd be good at it, but the pay sucks. :lol:


What is it now $400,000 with great benefits? That's not too bad, but the stress level and hours are atrocious.



Problem is.....most, if not all, presidents don't NEED the stipend. Already independently wealthy.....No incentive to perform. :twisted:
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Postby Rick » Thu Oct 16, 2008 10:29 am

StocktontoMalone wrote:
Rick wrote:
Fact Finder wrote:
Rick wrote:
RedWingFan wrote:Let's see if the media carries out these marching orders. Obama has the media in his back pocket. If he had ANY substance he'd be up by 20 points. :lol: McCain is going to win and all you're gonna here is "how did this happen?" :lol:


Whoever wins will get in office to find what a real mess this country is in and may just resign. :lol:

40 minutes until the fun starts. :D


I wouldn't want this job...I'd be good at it, but the pay sucks. :lol:


What is it now $400,000 with great benefits? That's not too bad, but the stress level and hours are atrocious.



Problem is.....most, if not all, presidents don't NEED the stipend. Already independently wealthy.....No incentive to perform. :twisted:


That's it!!! You've nailed it! We'll pay them according to performance! Like athletes. Or like athletes should be paid. :lol:
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Postby donnaplease » Thu Oct 16, 2008 10:34 am

Predictions for the debate???

Will McCain mention Ayers, ACORN, etc.? And if he does say it to his face, how will Obama respond?

Or... will it be a repeat of the last debate, with just subtle jabs at 'that one'?

I'm not sure what to expect at this point, and I doubt much will make a difference from here on out. I am very disappointed in this election season because of all the suggestion of unethical behavior. To kinda take a page from Michelle Obama's book... for the first time in my adult life, I'm not proud of America. I don't really care who wins at this point, I just want to have a leader I can look up to. Go ahead with the incredulous responses and ridicule about my support for GWB, I may or may not deserve it. However, there are NO qualities about BO that I can respect and the idea of him as our next president really bothers me for our country. (BTW, Dean... thanks for the comments several pages back. I didn't respond to them because you guys had moved on by the time I read them, but I appreciate your understanding of my feelings for Bush, even though you don't share them).

I enjoy reading this thread, and I realized how much I miss some of Dean's colorful posts (although I haven't agreed with much he's said lately, I certainly like his colorful way of expressing himself. :P ) My fellow conservatives, keep fighting the good fight!!! :wink:

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Postby treetopovskaya » Thu Oct 16, 2008 10:36 am

are you kidding? you can't blame bush for 911. that is bs. he was in office for only 8 months. are you saying that was planned & carried out in so little time? gmafb.

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Clinton was and is a genius. That guy could govern, party and get drained in the Oval Office and convince everyone that all was good.

Yeah, all while Osama schemed. :roll:


I don't even look at not to mention respond to your meager attempts of argument, but will in this particular instance.

Yeah dude, Osama schemed, but Bush allowed it to happen. That definitely equates to Clinton's fault.

Typical republican blame game.

Bush allowed WTC '93???? USS Cole???? :roll:


Clinton absolutely fucked up on this. He has to take responsibility for the WTC93 and the Cole. Now if that is your ace in the hole, then your team must accept that W takes full responsibilty on the largest terror attack in history. Something tells me though that ain't happening.
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Thu Oct 16, 2008 10:41 am

treetopovskaya wrote:are you kidding? you can't blame bush for 911. that is bs. he was in office for only 8 months.....


I thought the mantra of the Republican presidential ticket (this year, at least) is "read to lead on Day 1."
What's this eight month learning curve shit?
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Postby RedWingFan » Thu Oct 16, 2008 10:45 am

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treetopovskaya wrote:are you kidding? you can't blame bush for 911. that is bs. he was in office for only 8 months.....


I thought the mantra of the Republican presidential ticket (this year, at least) is "read to lead on Day 1."
What's this eight month learning curve shit?

First thing he should have done was knock down the wall erected by Jamie Gorelick and started connecting some dots. Hindsight's 20/20 though. Second thing he should have done was banned Sandy Burger from the National Archives. Gotta love that Clinton administration. :roll:
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Postby RedWingFan » Thu Oct 16, 2008 10:54 am

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CINCINNATI (AP) - Close to one in every three newly registered Ohio voters will end up on court-ordered lists being sent to county election boards because they have some discrepancy in their records, an elections spokesman said Wednesday. Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner estimated that an initial review found that about 200,000 newly registered voters reported information that did not match motor-vehicle or Social Security records, Brunner spokesman Kevin Kidder said. Some discrepancies could be as simple as a misspelling, while others could be more significant.

The 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Cincinnati sided with the Ohio Republican Party on Tuesday and ordered Brunner to set up a system that provides those names to county elections boards. The GOP contends the information will help prevent fraud.

"Things already are in motion to comply," Kidder said. "We're working to establish these processes on how we can make this work. The computer work actually began last week."

About 666,000 Ohioans have registered to vote since January.


Damnit dude....try reading before you post. :lol:
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Postby RedWingFan » Thu Oct 16, 2008 11:04 am

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In an interview with the New York Times Magazine, Democratic candidate Barack Obama lashed out at Fox News Channel, accusing it of portraying him as an "arrogant liberal" and making people not want to vote for him.

"I am convinced that if there were no Fox News, I might be two or three points higher in the polls," Obama told liberal journalist Matt Bai. "[T]he way I’m portrayed 24/7 is as a freak! I am the latté-sipping, New York Times-reading, Volvo-driving, no-gun-owning, effete, politically correct, arrogant liberal. Who wants somebody like that?"

Echoing Hillary Clinton's infamous "vast right-wing conspiracy" charges, Obama implied FNC is part of a larger problem.

"I guess the point I'm making," he went on, "is that there is an entire industry now, an entire apparatus, designed to perpetuate this cultural schism, and it's powerful.

Did I beat RWF with that one?
Poor Barry Soetero...beat up by Fox News...chin up big guy...

Yeah, you beat me to this one but you left out the rest of the article.

"[T]he way I’m portrayed 24/7 is as a freak! I am the latté-sipping, New York Times-reading, Volvo-driving, no-gun-owning, effete, politically correct, arrogant liberal. Who wants somebody like that?"
"Obama then got into his Volvo armed only with his Starbucks cup and paper tucked under his arm." :lol:
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Postby treetopovskaya » Thu Oct 16, 2008 11:13 am

joe the plumber. hehehee.

i thought he was joe six pack or is that later when he gets home?

that was funny. }:C)

WHO IS THIS JOE???

biden? poor joe. }:C)
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Postby Since 78 » Thu Oct 16, 2008 11:16 am

treetopovskaya wrote:joe the plumber. hehehee.

i thought he was joe six pack or is that later when he gets home?

that was funny. }:C)

WHO IS THIS JOE???

biden? poor joe. }:C)


Hes the guy who will be firing employees or raising prices next year!
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Postby 7 Wishes » Thu Oct 16, 2008 11:27 am

Wow, McCain is full of shit tonight.

He's going for the jugular, though...I don't think it's going to work.
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Postby cookieduster » Thu Oct 16, 2008 11:34 am

7 Wishes wrote:Wow, McCain is full of shit tonight.

He's going for the jugular, though...I don't think it's going to work.


I don't see that, I see some straight forward talk.

Obama looks very very tired and smug.
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