The 2008 US Presidential Election Thread

[Barb]

Haven't seen anyone mention this little tidbit. Who's gonna be the first resident lib to defend this?

http://www.nypost.com/seven/09152008/po ... htm?page=0

"While campaigning in public for a speedy withdrawal of US troops from Iraq, Sen. Barack Obama has tried in private to persuade Iraqi leaders to delay an agreement on a draw-down of the American military presence. According to Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari, Obama made his demand for delay a key theme of his discussions with Iraqi leaders in Baghdad in July. He asked why we were not prepared to delay an agreement until after the US elections and the formation of a new administration in Washington,' Zebari said in an interview. Obama insisted that Congress should be involved in negotiations on the status of US troops -- and that it was in the interests of both sides not to have an agreement negotiated by the Bush administration in its 'state of weakness and political confusion.' ... Obama has made many contradictory statements with regard to Iraq. His latest position is that US combat troops should be out by 2010. Yet his effort to delay an agreement would make that withdrawal deadline impossible to meet. ... According to Zebari, the envisaged time span is two or three years -- departure in 2011 or 2012. That would let Iraq hold its next general election, the third since liberation, and resolve a number of domestic political issues. Even then, the dates mentioned are only 'notional,' making the timing and the cadence of withdrawal conditional on realities on the ground as appreciated by both sides."

The Obama campaign denied this story by actually confirming it. They were also deft enough to mention that McCain's campaign commercial are equally as accurate. LANDSLIDE!!!!

Obama’s national security spokeswoman Wendy Morigi said Taheri’s article bore “as much resemblance to the truth as a McCain campaign commercial.”
In fact, Obama had told the Iraqis that they should not rush through a “Strategic Framework Agreement” governing the future of US forces until after President George W. Bush leaves office, she said.

Have you ever seen anyone more arrogant than this clown? I thought Kerry had that prize locked up for life.

As Bugs Bunny would say "what noyve".

Meanwhile, our ever diligent media is all over Sarah Palin buying her own tanning bed for her home. Now THAT is news worthy.

Barb, I guess you're the only one who happened to read this. I'm sure all the Obama supporters here would have jumped right in here and cheered Obama's dispicable act.

TNC read it. He chose to ignore the relevant piece and justified the media going after Sarah Palin's purchase of a tanning bed for her home because, OMG! Lynn Cheney mocked JFK's orange glow on the campaign trail 4 years ago.

[conversationpc]

TNC read it. He chose to ignore the relevant piece and justified the media going after Sarah Palin's purchase of a tanning bed for her home because, OMG! Lynn Cheney mocked JFK's orange glow on the campaign trail 4 years ago.

He WAS pretty funny-looking...

[Lula]

not an attractive man, not at all.

as for the withdrawl from iraq comments. i don't know about strategy in war or occuaption, but what i heard from a retired general about this was that the negotiations for withdrawl should be with the admin that will be over-seeing the action. it seems to me that w and his team of inadequates should not create the plan if they are not involved with the action. this goes for an obama or mccain admin..... but we know mccain will stay there until he can declare victory..... and he'll pay for the continued occuaption how?, by lowering taxes!!!

how about the latest from mccain and the strong fundamentals of our economy? even this morning he said that the nurses, teachers, whoever he had his supper with were doing just fine. yup just fine!! and of course we now know from one of mccain's advisers that neither he nor sarah are qualified to run a company

[Gin and Tonic Sky]

not an attractive man, not at all.

as for the withdrawl from iraq comments. i don't know about strategy in war or occuaption, but what i heard from a retired general about this was that the negotiations for withdrawl should be with the admin that will be over-seeing the action. it seems to me that w and his team of inadequates should not create the plan if they are not involved with the action. this goes for an obama or mccain admin..... but we know mccain will stay there until he can declare victory..... and he'll pay for the continued occuaption how?, by lowering taxes!!!

how about the latest from mccain and the strong fundamentals of our economy? even this morning he said that the nurses, teachers, whoever he had his supper with were doing just fine. yup just fine!! and of course we now know from one of mccain's advisers that neither he nor sarah are qualified to run a company

No the negotiations for withdrawal from Iraq need to be done right now. Not only does the UN mandate for troops in IRaq expires Dec 31 and secondly -although no one seems to want to mention it -we are winning, and when you are winning. Rule no one is that you negotiate when you are in a positon of strenght (which is right now).

As for being qualified to run a business ( Carly Fiorina said that none of the four candidates could run a corporation but being President requires a different leadership skill set). The question should be who understands the world enough to ensure that small businesses dont go out of business over the next four years. One thing is certain, that the Obama's plans to raise capital gains taxes will NOT hurt the rich folks at the Barbara Striesand fundraiser he attended last night or any of the rich limosine liberals on Wall Street, capital gains taxes kill small businesses.

[Barb]

As a long time employee of Hewlett-Packard who survived the Fiorina fiasco, let me assure you she is no position to say who is qualified to be a CEO. When the board fired her, people were dancing in the hallways and I am not exaggerating.

[RedWingFan]

as for the withdrawl from iraq comments. i don't know about strategy in war or occuaption, but what i heard from a retired general about this was that the negotiations for withdrawl should be with the admin that will be over-seeing the action. it seems to me that w and his team of inadequates should not create the plan if they are not involved with the action.

That team of "inadequates" is doing pretty damn good over there. As for Obama, he committed a felony violating The Logan Act. Which makes him a perfect democrat candidate I guess.

The Logan Act is a United States federal law that forbids unauthorized citizens from negotiating with foreign governments. It was passed in 1799 and last amended in 1994. Violation of the Logan Act is a felony, punishable under federal law with imprisonment of up to three years.

The text of the Act is broad and is addressed at any attempt of a US citizen to conduct foreign relations without authority.

[Gin and Tonic Sky]

as for the withdrawl from iraq comments. i don't know about strategy in war or occuaption, but what i heard from a retired general about this was that the negotiations for withdrawl should be with the admin that will be over-seeing the action. it seems to me that w and his team of inadequates should not create the plan if they are not involved with the action.

That team of "inadequates" is doing pretty damn good over there. As for Obama, he committed a felony violating The Logan Act.

The Logan Act is a United States federal law that forbids unauthorized citizens from negotiating with foreign governments. It was passed in 1799 and last amended in 1994. Violation of the Logan Act is a felony, punishable under federal law with imprisonment of up to three years.

The text of the Act is broad and is addressed at any attempt of a US citizen to conduct foreign relations without authority.

Jessie Jackson and Jimmy Carter also violated the Logan Act from time to time . Mister Obama fits in very nicely with these two dumbasses.

[conversationpc]

as for the withdrawl from iraq comments. i don't know about strategy in war or occuaption, but what i heard from a retired general about this was that the negotiations for withdrawl should be with the admin that will be over-seeing the action.

I don't think that is the point, at least not the whole point. The point is that Barack continues to have the audacity to ACT like he is already President or at least assuming that he is going to be elected. This is the same kind of mistake made by Gore and Kerry, only I think Obama is far worse.

[Lula]

No the negotiations for withdrawal from Iraq need to be done right now. Not only does the UN mandate for troops in IRaq expires Dec 31 and secondly -although no one seems to want to mention it -we are winning, and when you are winning. Rule no one is that you negotiate when you are in a positon of strenght (which is right now).

As for being qualified to run a business ( Carly Fiorina said that none of the four candidates could run a corporation but being President requires a different leadership skill set). The question should be who understands the world enough to ensure that small businesses dont go out of business over the next four years. One thing is certain, that the Obama's plans to raise capital gains taxes will NOT hurt the rich folks at the Barbara Striesand fundraiser he attended last night or any of the rich limosine liberals on Wall Street, capital gains taxes kill small businesses.

yeah how about that- 9 million raised last night! you go babs!

the U.S. is not at war with the government of iraq, we basically hand picked 'em. they want us out, isn't that good enough? at what point can we call this what it looks like- an illegal occupation.

[Lula]

as for the withdrawl from iraq comments. i don't know about strategy in war or occuaption, but what i heard from a retired general about this was that the negotiations for withdrawl should be with the admin that will be over-seeing the action.

I don't think that is the point, at least not the whole point. The point is that Barack continues to have the audacity to ACT like he is already President or at least assuming that he is going to be elected. This is the same kind of mistake made by Gore and Kerry, only I think Obama is far worse.

both candidates act like thay are already president. so perhaps i missed the point, but i gave it a go .

[RedWingFan]

yeah how about that- 9 million raised last night! you go babs!

While campaiging how he's in-touch with people hurting economically....brilliant!!!

the U.S. is not at war with the government of iraq, we basically hand picked 'em. they want us out, isn't that good enough? at what point can we call this what it looks like- an illegal occupation.

This has to be a record in # of contradictions in 2 sentences. The only thing illegal is Obama negotiating for a LONGER "illegal occupation". Damn Lula, California has fried your brain.

both candidates act like thay are already president. so perhaps i missed the point, but i gave it a go .

But only one of them is trying to negotiate with a foreign gov't. But still trying to draw a moral equivalent between the 2 of them.

[Lula]

not seeing a contradiction, rwf. we are not at war with the government of iraq, we have never been at war with iraq, we invaded. obama is more in touch with reality than mccain, no question. my brain is just fine, not fried and i am loving my state's many electoral votes going to obama!

[RedWingFan]

not seeing a contradiction, rwf. we are not at war with the government of iraq, we have never been at war with iraq, we invaded. obama is more in touch with reality than mccain, no question. my brain is just fine, not fried and i am loving my state's many electoral votes going to obama!

Did you hear New York's in play? Obama's only up by 5 there. It will be in play when the debates begin! Florida is McCain's so is Pennsylvania, Michigan is close behind. Ask Dean, he'll tell you. Obama's toast!!!

[RossValoryRocks]

not seeing a contradiction, rwf. we are not at war with the government of iraq, we have never been at war with iraq, we invaded. obama is more in touch with reality than mccain, no question. my brain is just fine, not fried and i am loving my state's many electoral votes going to obama!

Did you hear New York's in play? Obama's only up by 5 there. It will be in play when the debates begin! Florida is McCain's so is Pennsylvania, Michigan is close behind. Ask Dean, he'll tell you. Obama's toast!!!

Actually Dean is predicting an Obama landslide! He sent me a text and we have a bet on the outcome! I may even fly out to California on election day (after voting of course!) to watch the returns with him.

The winner has to pick up the bar tab...so I am bringing lots of money...I expect to see Dean crying into his beer all night!

[RedWingFan]

not seeing a contradiction, rwf. we are not at war with the government of iraq, we have never been at war with iraq, we invaded. obama is more in touch with reality than mccain, no question. my brain is just fine, not fried and i am loving my state's many electoral votes going to obama!

Did you hear New York's in play? Obama's only up by 5 there. It will be in play when the debates begin! Florida is McCain's so is Pennsylvania, Michigan is close behind. Ask Dean, he'll tell you. Obama's toast!!!

Actually Dean is predicting an Obama landslide! He sent me a text and we have a bet on the outcome! I may even fly out to California on election day (after voting of course!) to watch the returns with him.

The winner has to pick up the bar tab...so I am bringing lots of money...I expect to see Dean crying into his beer all night!

You've got to be kidding. I remember when he was here he was saying Obama's gonna get waxed because he won't be able to win the swing states. Which was absolutely correct.
I mean Obama only up by 5 in New York??? In Michigan, Gore won by 5, Kerry by 3. I see McCain taking this state.
I think Dean's just having fun with you. He can't actually believe that.

[Barb]

not seeing a contradiction, rwf. we are not at war with the government of iraq, we have never been at war with iraq, we invaded. obama is more in touch with reality than mccain, no question. my brain is just fine, not fried and i am loving my state's many electoral votes going to obama!

Did you hear New York's in play? Obama's only up by 5 there. It will be in play when the debates begin! Florida is McCain's so is Pennsylvania, Michigan is close behind. Ask Dean, he'll tell you. Obama's toast!!!

Actually Dean is predicting an Obama landslide! He sent me a text and we have a bet on the outcome! I may even fly out to California on election day (after voting of course!) to watch the returns with him.

The winner has to pick up the bar tab...so I am bringing lots of money...I expect to see Dean crying into his beer all night!

You've got to be kidding. I remember when he was here he was saying Obama's gonna get waxed because he won't be able to win the swing states. Which was absolutely correct.
I mean Obama only up by 5 in New York??? In Michigan, Gore won by 5, Kerry by 3. I see McCain taking this state.
I think Dean's just having fun with you. He can't actually believe that.

Ya, it looks like California is the only state stupid enough to want to vote for this guy. But then again, this is the state that voted against eminent domain restrictions. California is so stupid, they actually don't mind if the government takes their property.

2 more years and I'm outta here!

[RedWingFan]

not seeing a contradiction, rwf. we are not at war with the government of iraq, we have never been at war with iraq, we invaded. obama is more in touch with reality than mccain, no question. my brain is just fine, not fried and i am loving my state's many electoral votes going to obama!

Did you hear New York's in play? Obama's only up by 5 there. It will be in play when the debates begin! Florida is McCain's so is Pennsylvania, Michigan is close behind. Ask Dean, he'll tell you. Obama's toast!!!

Actually Dean is predicting an Obama landslide! He sent me a text and we have a bet on the outcome! I may even fly out to California on election day (after voting of course!) to watch the returns with him.

The winner has to pick up the bar tab...so I am bringing lots of money...I expect to see Dean crying into his beer all night!

You've got to be kidding. I remember when he was here he was saying Obama's gonna get waxed because he won't be able to win the swing states. Which was absolutely correct.
I mean Obama only up by 5 in New York??? In Michigan, Gore won by 5, Kerry by 3. I see McCain taking this state.
I think Dean's just having fun with you. He can't actually believe that.

Ya, it looks like California is the only state stupid enough to want to vote for this guy. But then again, this is the state that voted against eminent domain restrictions. California is so stupid, they actually don't mind if the government takes their property.
2 more years and I'm outta here!

I remember that!!! Pathetic!!!
Where are you going?

[Barb]

not seeing a contradiction, rwf. we are not at war with the government of iraq, we have never been at war with iraq, we invaded. obama is more in touch with reality than mccain, no question. my brain is just fine, not fried and i am loving my state's many electoral votes going to obama!

Did you hear New York's in play? Obama's only up by 5 there. It will be in play when the debates begin! Florida is McCain's so is Pennsylvania, Michigan is close behind. Ask Dean, he'll tell you. Obama's toast!!!

Actually Dean is predicting an Obama landslide! He sent me a text and we have a bet on the outcome! I may even fly out to California on election day (after voting of course!) to watch the returns with him.

The winner has to pick up the bar tab...so I am bringing lots of money...I expect to see Dean crying into his beer all night!

You've got to be kidding. I remember when he was here he was saying Obama's gonna get waxed because he won't be able to win the swing states. Which was absolutely correct.
I mean Obama only up by 5 in New York??? In Michigan, Gore won by 5, Kerry by 3. I see McCain taking this state.
I think Dean's just having fun with you. He can't actually believe that.

Ya, it looks like California is the only state stupid enough to want to vote for this guy. But then again, this is the state that voted against eminent domain restrictions. California is so stupid, they actually don't mind if the government takes their property.
2 more years and I'm outta here!

I remember that!!! Pathetic!!!
Where are you going?

Not sure yet. Eagle, Idaho is one consideration.

[csiako]

Lynn Forester De Rothschild takes down Wolf Blitzer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDIsCBrtfxU

[7 Wishes]

Ya, it looks like California is the only state stupid enough to want to vote for this guy. But then again, this is the state that voted against eminent domain restrictions. California is so stupid, they actually don't mind if the government takes their property.

2 more years and I'm outta here!

Wow, Barb. You never cease to amaze me.

Yeah, California and about 21 OTHER STATES are "stupid" enough to vote for Obama.

Here's a suggestion: you'd be FAR better off in a state like Alabama or Mississippi. Bastions of uneducated racists and hypocritical Bible-thumpers would welcome someone like you with closed minds, bitter hearts, and open arms.

You see? YOU are the one who makes these hideous statements...yet if someone even QUESTIONS your hero Palin's qualifications, you tear them into shreds. A good many of my friends are conservatives; some of them are lurkers here, and all of them think you're hateful and nasty.

[Barb]

Ya, it looks like California is the only state stupid enough to want to vote for this guy. But then again, this is the state that voted against eminent domain restrictions. California is so stupid, they actually don't mind if the government takes their property.

2 more years and I'm outta here!

Wow, Barb. You never cease to amaze me.

Yeah, California and about 21 OTHER STATES are "stupid" enough to vote for Obama.

Here's a suggestion: you'd be FAR better off in a state like Alabama or Mississippi. Bastions of uneducated racists and hypocritical Bible-thumpers would welcome someone like you with closed minds, bitter hearts, and open arms.

You see? YOU are the one who makes these hideous statements...yet if someone even QUESTIONS your hero Palin's qualifications, you tear them into shreds. A good many of my friends are conservatives; some of them are lurkers here, and all of them think you're hateful and nasty.

First, I wasn't even talking to you. Second, here you go again with your personal assault, so let me be REAL CLEAR here -- FUCK OFF.

Third, of course there are other states voting for Obama. DUH. My intent in my comment was that it will be a landslide for Obama here in comparison to other states where it might be close or even competitive. Not here.

You are some piece of work.

[7 Wishes]

No, that's not what you were saying. You can't backtrack. And when you suggest EVERYONE who votes for Obama is an "idiot" you are belittling half the people on this forum and half the country.

When you fire a shot like that across the bough, you cannot expect EVERYONE to just sit back and take it. I'm tired of you and your attitude.

I believe you'll find a lot of like-minded people in Jessup County. Have fun at the rally!

[S2M]

That female who used to throw barbs at me over at BT.....I'm starting to remember who it was. I almost have it.......

[Barb]

No, that's not what you were saying. You can't backtrack. And when you suggest EVERYONE who votes for Obama is an "idiot" you are belittling half the people on this forum and half the country.

When you fire a shot like that across the bough, you cannot expect EVERYONE to just sit back and take it. I'm tired of you and your attitude.

I think if you read the rest of my post, you can see what I was getting at there. You are the most hostile, angry, insulting person I think I've ever seen on the internet. Of course, the typical liberal.

Don't address me personally on this forum again.

[Barb]

That female who used to throw barbs at me over at BT.....I'm starting to remember who it was. I almost have it.......

I don't even know who you are, so don't look at me!

[7 Wishes]

I think if you read the rest of my post, you can see what I was getting at there. You are the most hostile, angry, insulting person I think I've ever seen on the internet. Of course, the typical liberal.

Don't address me personally on this forum again.

YOU have questioned MINE on NUMEROUS occasions, Barbara. It was easy to gang up on me when mine was one of the few non-compliant, non-conservative voices on this board. But it doesn't change the fact that you have helped perpetuate lies about Obama and others that place Palin on a pedestal she hasn't earned, and that you've been nasty, demeaning, and condescending.

I have 47 of your posts from the past month copied and pasted, and ready to go on Word. Would you like to acquiesce now, or should I prove what a hypocritical person you are?

[RedWingFan]

Ya, it looks like California is the only state stupid enough to want to vote for this guy. But then again, this is the state that voted against eminent domain restrictions. California is so stupid, they actually don't mind if the government takes their property.

2 more years and I'm outta here!

Wow, Barb. You never cease to amaze me.

Yeah, California and about 21 OTHER STATES are "stupid" enough to vote for Obama.

Here's a suggestion: you'd be FAR better off in a state like Alabama or Mississippi. Bastions of uneducated racists and hypocritical Bible-thumpers would welcome someone like you with closed minds, bitter hearts, and open arms.

You see? YOU are the one who makes these hideous statements...yet if someone even QUESTIONS your hero Palin's qualifications, you tear them into shreds. A good many of my friends are conservatives; some of them are lurkers here, and all of them think you're hateful and nasty.

But it doesn't change the fact that you have helped perpetuate lies about Obama

Why don't you try defending the great Obama who publicly calls for troops to be brought home immediately, and privately speaks to Iraqi leaders asking them to delay withdrawl until after the election? Intentionally trying to keep soldiers in harms way. Not for Iraqi success or American success, but for his own political fortune.

[Barb]

I have 47 of your posts from the past month copied and pasted, and ready to go on Word. Would you like to acquiesce now, or should I prove what a hypocritical person you are?

OMG. Dude, get a fucking life.

[Lula]

not seeing a contradiction, rwf. we are not at war with the government of iraq, we have never been at war with iraq, we invaded. obama is more in touch with reality than mccain, no question. my brain is just fine, not fried and i am loving my state's many electoral votes going to obama!

Did you hear New York's in play? Obama's only up by 5 there. It will be in play when the debates begin! Florida is McCain's so is Pennsylvania, Michigan is close behind. Ask Dean, he'll tell you. Obama's toast!!!

new york in play? according to who? fox? michigan and pennsylvania are a toss up, but obama does have a slight lead in both states according to rcp. florida..... well..... remember 2000? not much hope there, but it is close.

dean does not believe obama is toast and believe me, his fingers are burning to get in here and let y'all have it

[7 Wishes]

Intentionally trying to keep soldiers in harms way. Not for Iraqi success or American success, but for his own political fortune.

Um...the guy YOU voted for kept FRIENDS OF MINE in harm's way by not even ensuring they were supplied with adequate armor the first five years.