The 2008 US Presidential Election Thread

by **treetopovskaya** » Sat Oct 18, 2008 4:25 pm

the lib media are showing just how pathetic they are. poor joe the plumber... he never should have questioned "the one"!

*eye roll*

what an obamanation!

by **treetopovskaya** » Sat Oct 18, 2008 4:52 pm

fuck.

even the obama camp are dissing joe the plumber. biden says... "it would be nice if he had a license"

what a moron.

he doesn't have to have a license. his boss is licensed & he works as his apprentice. that's very common.

i guess joe the plumber hit a nerve! }:C))

by **treetopovskaya** » Sat Oct 18, 2008 4:55 pm

typical dem/lib... skirting the issues... and picking apart details.

this is the crap that pisses me off & why i am no longer a dem.

BOO!

by **treetopovskaya** » Sat Oct 18, 2008 4:57 pm

joe the plumber is prolly smarter than joe the senator!

by **Rick** » Sat Oct 18, 2008 8:56 pm

treetopovskaya wrote:fuck.

even the obama camp are dissing joe the plumber. biden says... "it would be nice if he had a license"

what a moron.

he doesn't have to have a license. his boss is licensed & he works as his apprentice. that's very common.

i guess joe the plumber hit a nerve! }:C))

Thanks for trying to get this back on topic. I came in here this morning ready to read some great back and forth, and people are talking fucking wrestling. :lol:

by **Enigma869** » Sat Oct 18, 2008 10:25 pm

conversationpc wrote: I don't believe the guy ever claimed to make that much money every year but that the business would probably make $250,000 a year and he would fall under Obama's tax increase. Correct me if I'm wrong.

That's how I understood it. I personally don't have a problem with someone making over $250K getting a bit of a tax increase, unless it was on the gross income for the business, as opposed to the bottom line on Schedule C. The average small business comes nowhere near $250K profit, after all the expenses (i.e. payroll, and day to day operating expenses) have been paid. Even though I don't like to delve into personal issues here, I will say that I have been in the over $250K range in some years. I am pointing that out solely to make the point that this is something that potentially will affect me, and I'm not losing any sleep over it. The way I look at it is that I'm very fortunate if I'm in a position to pay the tax increase, because I made that kind of money!

John from Boston

by **Enigma869** » Sat Oct 18, 2008 10:32 pm

7 Wishes wrote:

Anyway, the only issue I see as legitimate is Wright, and it bothers me more every day. He listened to this guy for 20 years, and then suddenly disavows him? Not good.

I'm with you here, 7. I've said all along that Obama's affiliation with that nutbag Wright bothers me, A LOT! The guy is a fucking lunatic, and as far as I'm concerned, there is simply ZERO justification for counting someone like that as a "friend". The other stuff on Obama is just politics, as usual. You can bring up Ayers on the Obama side, and you can bring up McCain's old buddy G. Gordon Liddy on the other side. As far as I'm concerned, neither argument holds any water, at all. Obama did what all polticians do, in terms of his relationship with Jeremiah Nutbag...He publically cast aside that relationship, when he realized that it could be political suicide. You have to wonder about just how sincere the guy is. I personally don't believe that Reverend Nutbag is now someone who he never has contact with.

John from Boston

by **strangegrey** » Sat Oct 18, 2008 10:50 pm

conversationpc wrote:2001 to 2003 = Republican President (George W. Bush), Republican-controlled Congress

With all due respect the above quote is misleading, Dave.

The below quote show's it with corrections:

2001 to 2003 = fiscally-Liberal President (George W. Bush), sterile Congress

by **Panther** » Sun Oct 19, 2008 12:06 am

Enigma869 wrote:
RedWingFan wrote:With this line of reasoning, I could say because I believe it should be legal for me to shoot and kill an intruder who's broken into my home,

I believe that it is actually legal to use deadly force in some states if someone breaks into your home. I'm guessing Texas is one of those states. Texas has a law on the books that allows an owner of a car to legally shoot and kill someone trying to legally repossess their car (it was a story on the news last year). It seems a bit odd, but proves the point that some states allow for deadly force to defend property, which in my opinion, is ABSURD!

John from Boston

A "story on the news last year" doesn't always come in with a clear eye to the law as it is actually stated. Yes, we do have laws concerning protection of persons and property. No, the state does NOT have wording on record (nor recognized case law) that PROTECTS those using deadly force to prevent repossession. As with any law, there are caveats that allow for reasonable person testing (ie: if the actor reasonably believes....). Your problem with the 'Repo Man' shooting should reside with the DA and the grand jury, not with the law itself. This state, just like many others, has hot beds of population that allow certain mentalities to, we'll just say.. fester. Harris County happens to be one of those (witness the newest case involving deadly force to protect property of a third person - which resulted in the new Castle Doctrine amendment).

It's great, John, that you live in an area that is more befitting to your chosen lifestyle. Texans simply choose a different way of viewing this topic. While I'm not a huge fan of the concealed carry laws here, nor of guns themselves - I'm glad that I live in a state that would allow my neighbor to step in should the need be, to save my family from unnecessary damage/theft of my person/property. (I should clarify that I'm not totally without protection myself lol)

Links to actual Penal Code (§ 9.42 and §9.43 are of interest here) and "Castle Doctirne" (added 9/1/07):

http://tlo2.tlc.state.tx.us/statutes/docs/PE/content/htm/pe.002.00.000009.00.htm

http://www.legis.state.tx.us/tlodocs/80R/billtext/html/SB00378F.HTM

by **7 Wishes** » Sun Oct 19, 2008 12:25 am

treetopovskaya wrote:the lib media are showing just how pathetic they are. poor joe the plumber... he never should have questioned "the one"!
*eye roll*
what an obamanation!
fuck.
even the obama camp are dissing joe the plumber. biden says... "it would be nice if he had a license"
what a moron.
he doesn't have to have a license. his boss is licensed & he works as his apprentice. that's very common.
i guess joe the plumber hit a nerve! }:C))

For every Joe the Plumber the Democrats might "pick apart," the Republicans have twenty of them! And they do a lot more than say it'd be nice if an unlicensed plumber (illegal for a "prospective business owner" in his state, by the way) "had a license"! I won't even bother listing ALL the lies and aspersions the Right has thrown at the Obama campaign...

by **Lula** » Sun Oct 19, 2008 12:56 am

treetopovskaya wrote:fuck.

even the obama camp are dissing joe the plumber. biden says... "it would be nice if he had a license"

what a moron.

he doesn't have to have a license. his boss is licensed & he works as his apprentice. that's very common.

i guess joe the plumber hit a nerve! }:C))

i think the plumbers' union caused the stink and they were one of the first unions to throw their support behind obama/biden. even apprentices are in the union. i believe the tax evading joe the plumber is actually a contractor and his boss' business he spoke of buying makes around $100,000 a year. good ole joe is a registered republican and was clearly a mccain plant. no biggie, but it is what it is.

by **treetopovskaya** » Sun Oct 19, 2008 1:54 am

clearly you are too bias to even think straight.

yeah... jtp was sent there on a mission from the big bad rep machine.

yeah.

right.

i saw that one coming... damn you dem/libs are so predictable!

Lula wrote:
treetopovskaya wrote:fuck.

even the obama camp are dissing joe the plumber. biden says... "it would be nice if he had a license"

what a moron.

he doesn't have to have a license. his boss is licensed & he works as his apprentice. that's very common.

i guess joe the plumber hit a nerve! }:C))

i think the plumbers' union caused the stink and they were one of the first unions to throw their support behind obama/biden. even apprentices are in the union. i believe the tax evading joe the plumber is actually a contractor and his boss' business he spoke of buying makes around $100,000 a year. good ole joe is a registered republican and was clearly a mccain plant. no biggie, but it is what it is.

by **Lula** » Sun Oct 19, 2008 2:02 am

just calling it like i see. the media descended on joe, er sam (he might have some trouble at the polls when he tries to vote as joe) the guy said he was a registered independent and low and behold he is indeed a registered republican. it's just politics as usual and both sides contribute to these silly ploys. mccain can have joe's vote if he wants it. the guy comes across as a real winner with his views on iraq and tax evasion. i hope he enjoys his 15 minutes, which may turn to days as i heard joe may be hitting the campaign trail with mccain.

by **treetopovskaya** » Sun Oct 19, 2008 2:20 am

his middle name is joseph. many people go by their middle names. big deal.

jhc... dems get more predictable by the minute.

scary... go up against obama & next thing you know people are going through your personal biz trying to find stuff to use against you. why. so they can discredit anything you might have said.

that is wrong... it's W*R*O*N*G.

if it was the other way around dems/libs would be making an even bigger stink about it. that's just what they do.

wah wah wah.

Lula wrote:just calling it like i see. the media descended on joe, er sam (he might have some trouble at the polls when he tries to vote as joe) the guy said he was a registered independent and low and behold he is indeed a registered republican. it's just politics as usual and both sides contribute to these silly ploys. mccain can have joe's vote if he wants it. the guy comes across as a real winner with his views on iraq and tax evasion. i hope he enjoys his 15 minutes, which may turn to days as i heard joe may be hitting the campaign trail with mccain.

by **treetopovskaya** » Sun Oct 19, 2008 2:22 am

this is why you won't see me out in public supporting mccain...

http://politicalvindication.com/?p=2570

dems are scary. }:C(

by **treetopovskaya** » Sun Oct 19, 2008 2:32 am

well... i guess if we can say jtp was a mccain plant we can also say those people at the mccain rallies were obama plants.

whatever.

*eye roll*

(i'm just waiting for dean to come in here saying that mccain and/or palin are lip syncing!)

HAHAHAHAA!! }:C))

by **The_Noble_Cause** » Sun Oct 19, 2008 3:00 am

treetopovskaya wrote:scary... go up against obama & next thing you know people are going through your personal biz trying to find stuff to use against you. why. so they can discredit anything you might have said.

Take it up with McCain.
He made "Joe" the centerpiece of his campaign, and turned a shnook into a overnight public figure.

by **Enigma869** » Sun Oct 19, 2008 3:00 am

Panther wrote:
It's great, John, that you live in an area that is more befitting to your chosen lifestyle. Texans simply choose a different way of viewing this topic. While I'm not a huge fan of the concealed carry laws here, nor of guns themselves - I'm glad that I live in a state that would allow my neighbor to step in should the need be, to save my family from unnecessary damage/theft of my person/property.

I'm not really sure what your point is. I simply made a point about a story that "20/20" did on a Texas repo man being assassinated, while performing his job. It was considered "legally justified", "according to Texas law" (those were the words used in the story...not my words). I never claimed Texas was a bad state. The reality is that I've never been to Texas, and don't have much of an opinion (aside from despising the Dallas Cowboys, and everyone associated with them) about the state. I simply said that if there is any allowance to allow the use of deadly force to defend property, I believe it's ridiculous, and I would say that if that were allowed in my own state! Also, I can assure you that Texas isn't the only state that would allow your "neighbor to step in should the need be" to save you and your family. Most states actually allow for firearms to be possessed, and used for all lawful purposes. That would include defending all human life, should "imminent fear" be present!

John from Boston

by **Enigma869** » Sun Oct 19, 2008 3:03 am

Fact Finder wrote:http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17516764/

Obama Pays Parking Tickets 17 Years Late

Thursday, March 8, 2007

BOSTON — Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama got more than an education when he attended Harvard Law School in the late 1980s. He also got a healthy stack of parking tickets, most of which he never paid.

The Illinois Senator shelled out $375 in January _ two weeks before he officially launched his presidential campaign _ to finally pay for 15 outstanding parking tickets and their associated late fees.

Nice of you to finally find a story that happened a year and a half ago :roll:

I'm not sure what the point of posting this story is! So what..the guy had parking tickets. Big fucking deal. Go find something else to dig up, jackass! At least work on finding a story that actually took place in 2008!

John from Boston

by **strangegrey** » Sun Oct 19, 2008 3:03 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:Take it up with McCain.
He made "Joe" the centerpiece of his campaign, and turned a shnook into a overnight public figure.

Are you talking about this plumber dude or his running mate?

by **The_Noble_Cause** » Sun Oct 19, 2008 3:03 am

strangegrey wrote:
The_Noble_Cause wrote:Take it up with McCain.
He made "Joe" the centerpiece of his campaign, and turned a shnook into a overnight public figure.

Are you talking about this plumber dude or his running mate?

LOL

by **Barb** » Sun Oct 19, 2008 3:09 am

I've been staying out of this thread because, franky, life is just too short for this mess. :lol:

However, this Joe the Plumber has left me incredulous. Here is a guy who was at his own house when THE ONE came to town and he had the audacity to ask him a fucking question. HOW DARE HE! I mean the POTUS will only be accountable to people who support him, right? He doesn't owe Americans who don't care for his policies any kind of explanation or answers, right? Is this what we've really come to with Barack Obama? You can't ask him a question if you disagree with him? THIS is what happens to you if you do? How completely pathetic. For the record, because everyone seems to be overlooking this fact... the only reason Joe is known to us today is not because of HIS question, but because of THE ONE's answer.... "Spread the wealth around...." Apparently it is Joe's fault that Obama lost his guard for a second and revealed his true socialist intent. DAMN YOU JOE! :roll:

Anyway, no one can knock it out of the park like Mark Steyn... enjoy!

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/joe- ... bama-check

Give a man enough rope line, and he'll hang himself. There was His Serene Majesty President-designate Barack the Healer, working the crowd at some or other hick burg, and halfway down the rope up pops a plumber to express misgivings about the incoming regime's tax plans.

Supposedly, under the Obama tax plan, 95 percent of the American people will get a tax cut. You'd think that at this point the natural skepticism of any sentient being other than 6-week-old puppies might kick in, but apparently not. If you're wondering why Obama didn't simply announce that under his plan 112 percent of the American people will get a tax cut, well, they ran it past the focus groups who said that that was all very generous but they'd really like it if he could find a way to stick it to Dick Cheney, Rush Limbaugh, Karl Rove and whatnot. So 95 percent it is.

By the way, like the nightly news shows, this column now has an exclusive lavishly funded Fact Check Unit set up at great expense (a colorful graphic with the words "FACT CHECK ALERT!") in a lame attempt to pass off our transparent political bias as some sort of scientific exercise. Our accredited credentialed licensed expert Fact Checkers from the University of Factology in the Czech Republic are standing by to rigorously Fact Check the candidate's claims. We check facts so you don't have to. All you have to do is sign up to our Fact-Check-Me-Now! Service, and we'll send you a daily Fact Check on your Facts Machine, which costs only $79.95 from Radio Shack (sorry, no checks).

Anyway, our Fact Check Unit ran the numbers on the Obama tax-cut plan and the number is correct: "95." It's the words "percent" immediately following that are wrong: that's a typing error accidentally left in from the first draft. It should read: Under the Obama plan, 95 of the American people will get a tax cut.

Joe the Plumber expressed his misgivings about the President-in-waiting's tax inclinations, and the O-Man smoothly reassured him: "It's not that I want to punish your success," he told the bloated plutocrat corporate toilet executive. "I just want to make sure that everybody who is behind you, that they've got a chance for success, too. I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody."

In that sentence about you spreading the wealth around, there's another typing error: that "you" should read "I, Barack." "You" will have no say in it. Joe the Plumber might think he himself can spread it around just fine, but everyone knows "trickle-down economics" don't work. So President-presumptive Obama kindly explained the new exquisitely condescending "talking-down economics." Put that in your pipe and solder it.

Evidently the O-Mighty One was not happy after his encounter with Joe. He's still willing to talk to Ahmadinejad without preconditions. But never again will he talk to Joe the Plumber without preconditions. Outraged at the way the right-wing whackos were talking up Joe the Plumber as if he were an authentic regular Joe, like Joe Biden, the O-Bots of the media swung into action. Vast regiments of investigate reporters were redeployed from the Wasilla Holiday Inn back to the Lower 48.

"We need you down here checking out this Joe the Plumber," editors barked to journalists.

"But I'm this close to wrapping up the Wasilla Town Library banned-book investigation!"

"Forget it! The Atlantic Monthly is claiming Joe the Plumber is Trig's real father. We can't get behind on this. Get to Minneapolis Airport. Joe the Plumber was seen in the bathroom with Sen. Larry Craig."

"Yes, but he was installing a stopcock."

"Look, you went to Columbia School of Journalism. This is what we bold, courageous journalists do. We're the conscience of the nation. We speak truth to plumber."

"Er, shouldn't that be 'Speak truth to power'?"

"That's the old edition of the handbook. Now we speak truth to power-tool operators. Joe the Carpenter, Joe the Plasterer, Joe the Electrician … . When you're building utopia, you don't want any builders getting in the way."

Alas, as a result of this massive investment of journalistic resources, no investigative reporter will be free to investigate ACORN voter-registration fraud or Obama's ties to terrorist educator William Ayers until, oh, midway through his second term at least.

Under the headline "Is 'Joe The Plumber' A Plumber? That's Debatable," John Seewer of the Associated Press triumphantly revealed that Joe is not a "licensed" plumber. In fact, he doesn't need to be licensed for the residential plumbing he does, but isn't that just typical of Bush-McCain insane out-of-control deregulation? It wouldn't surprise me to discover that most of these subprime homeowners got Joe in to plumb their subprime bathrooms. Next thing you know, the entire global economy goes down the toilet. Coincidence?

Joe is now the most notorious plumber in American politics since the Watergate plumbers. And they weren't licensed, either. It turns out Joe doesn't even make 250 grand, and it's only the $250,000-a-year types who'll be paying more (please, no tittering) under Good King Barack. Joe Biden – that's Joe the Blue-collar Senator – said that he didn't know any $250,000 plumbers in his neighborhood, or even in the first-class club car on Amtrak he rides every night to demonstrate his blue-collar bona fides. On "Good Morning America," Diane Sawyer emphasized this point, anxious to give the apostate plumber one last chance to go with the flow:

"Well, I just want to ask you now about the issue that was raised, because it's been a little confusing to me as I try to sort it out here. To get straight here, you're not taking home $250,000 now, am I right?"

"No. No. Not even close," confessed Joe.

So what's he got to be worried about?

The heart of the American Dream is aspiration. That's why people came here from all over the world. Back in Eastern Europe, the Joe Bidens and Diane Sawyers of the day were telling Joe the Peasant: "Hey, look, man. You're a peasant in the 19th century, just like your forebears were peasants in the 12th century and your descendants will be peasants in the 26th century. So you're never gonna be earning 250 groats a year. Don't worry about it. Leave it to us. We know better." And Joe the Peasant eventually figured that one day he'd like to be able to afford the Premium Gruel with just a hint of arugula and got on the boat to Ellis Island. Because America is the land where a guy who doesn't have a 250-grand business today might just have one in five or 10 years' time.

I'm with Joe the Plumber, not Joe the Hair-Plugger. He's articulated the animating principles of America better than anyone on either side in this campaign. Which is why the O-Bots need to destroy him. As Obama's catchphrase goes:

"Joe the Plumber!

Can we fix him?

Joe the Plumber!

Yes, we can!"

For the record, I am not a government-licensed pundit. But I expect they'll fix that, too.

by **BobbyinTN** » Sun Oct 19, 2008 5:38 am

Stood in line for 3 hours this morning, but Obama and the Democrats of my state now have 2 more votes. My partner of 16 years and I ROCKED THE VOTE and man there were a lot of dems waiting in line with us.

by **The_Noble_Cause** » Sun Oct 19, 2008 5:56 am

Barb wrote:However, this Joe the Plumber has left me incredulous. Here is a guy who was at his own house when THE ONE came to town and he had the audacity to ask him a fucking question. HOW DARE HE! I mean the POTUS will only be accountable to people who support him, right? He doesn't owe Americans who don't care for his policies any kind of explanation or answers, right? Is this what we've really come to with Barack Obama?

No, but it is what we've come to expect from Gerorge W. Bush, who has held the least amount of press conferences in modern Presidential history, and who you proudly voted for twice.
Where has Obama impugned the man's right to ask a question?
I'd like to see it.

Barb wrote:For the record, because everyone seems to be overlooking this fact... the only reason Joe is known to us today is not because of HIS question, but because of THE ONE's answer.... "Spread the wealth around...." Apparently it is Joe's fault that Obama lost his guard for a second and revealed his true socialist intent. DAMN YOU JOE!

Yeh there's that, and the fact that McCain mentioned him no less than NINE times at the last debate.
Like your premature gushing over Sarah Palin, it appears the propagandistas are masterfully pulling your strings again.

by **strangegrey** » Sun Oct 19, 2008 6:00 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:Yeh there's that, and the fact that McCain mentioned him no less than NINE times at the last debate.
Like your premature gushing over Sarah Palin, it appears the propagandistas are masterfully pulling your strings again.

IIRC, Olberman had the count at 20 or 21 times....

by **7 Wishes** » Sun Oct 19, 2008 6:44 am

Barb, your story doesn't have a point. It's just a conservative waxing philosophical about nothing.

P.S. Your party smears and lies 20 times more than the Democrats.

by **Lula** » Sun Oct 19, 2008 6:51 am

BobbyinTN wrote:Stood in line for 3 hours this morning, but Obama and the Democrats of my state now have 2 more votes. My partner of 16 years and I ROCKED THE VOTE and man there were a lot of dems waiting in line with us.

right on!!