The 2008 US Presidential Election Thread

[strangegrey]

The only reason he is supporting Obama is because he, like myself and others don't wish to see Palin as vice president.

Ding, Ding, Ding! We have a winner!


John from Boston

Right, but here's the question that I have regarding this....

is that an implicit or explicit concern?

In other words...are you more afraid of Palin becoming president or more concerned that it exposes poor judgment on the part of a man that picks her as VP.

For me, it's the latter. While I find the prospects of a Palin presidency scary, I think I am more concerned that a guy actually gets out in front of the country and goes "She's ready!"

[bluejeangirl76]

In other words...are you more afraid of Palin becoming president or more concerned that it exposes poor judgment on the part of a man that picks her as VP.

Both of those things frighten me.

I think I will write in Bill Clinton.

[Jana]

Strangegrey, both. But to have her as President of the U.S., if he died in office, is inconceivable to me. But his poor judgment in choosing her goes hand in hand with that. A man who has been so principled and who has always prided himself not to just follow the party line blindly and who based his candidacy in good measure on experience, I always respected him. I will never understand that decision just from the standpoint of for the good of the country, in these troubled times, how could he have done that, knowing his age.

[Tito]

Drug addict Limbaugh has quickly turned on the man he always gave props to. Since Powell isn't willing to play Uncle Tom for McCain, he must be racist then.

Spoken like someone who doesn't know what he is talking about. Limbaugh has NEVER been a fan of Powell. Even when he was in the administration.

He never talked a lot of shit about Powell until later and has given him props on occasion in the early years.

Some positive some negative. Mostly negative towards the end. "...the man he always gave props to." Is completely false.
Maybe you'd like to argue against the point Limbaugh was making. "When has Colin Powell ever supported an inexperienced white liberal for president?" Uncle Tom?

The only reason he is supporting Obama is because he, like myself and others don't wish to see Palin as vice president. If it happens, so be it, but I believe you will see a lot of Conservative votes swing to Barack based soley on this selection by McCain.

I can't see Obama as President. That's worse. If she isn't qualified (which she probably isn't), he certainly isn't either.

[Saint John]

Sarah Palin has an 86% approval rating amoung her 700,000 constituents. I'll put those fucking numbers up against anyone else's.

[Enigma869]

In other words...are you more afraid of Palin becoming president or more concerned that it exposes poor judgment on the part of a man that picks her as VP.

For me Frank, it's truly both that scare the shit out of me. I obviously believe that McCain exercised VERY poor judgement when selecting Puppet Palin as his running mate. The thought of her actually ascending to the presidency is fucking frightening! There isn't a person with two of their brain cells connected, who truly believes that this jackass is remotely qualified to be President Of The United States...And save me this bullshit of "But she has 'executive' experience, and Obama doesn't"! That is the dopiest thing I've heard. Hell, McCain doesn't have executive experience either, and he is FAR more qualified to be president than Palin will ever be! Not even McCain is convincing when he is asked if Palin is qualified to be the President!


John from Boston

[conversationpc]

I can't see Obama as President. That's worse. If she isn't qualified (which she probably isn't), he certainly isn't either.

Very true...There's a reason that sitting and former Congressmen have problems getting elected as President and, in my opinion, lack of executive experience and decision-making is the major reason why.

[ProgRocker53]

Obama's the least qualified of the four major candidates for office...

....and he scares me shitless....

[strangegrey]

Her consituency doesn't matter here, Dan. What are her approval numbers nationwide?
Remember, the Hayseed idiot in the oval office had numbers higher around 80% at one point. Look what he did for us?


Getting back to point on Palin....while I admit that it's both issues (her being a heartbeat away or the judgment of mccain in picking her)
...what issue is more primary to you guys?

The heartbeat issue may never materialize...so to me, it's more paramount to consider what WILL happen no matter what...not what may happen if things go bad.

[RedWingFan]

In other words...are you more afraid of Palin becoming president or more concerned that it exposes poor judgment on the part of a man that picks her as VP.

For me Frank, it's truly both that scare the shit out of me. I obviously believe that McCain exercised VERY poor judgement when selecting Puppet Palin as his running mate.

Obama's "very poor judgement" of selecting Joe "3 letter word. Jobs, J-O-B-S. Jobs." Biden, and surrounding himself with America hating people isn't worth a mention from you?

[ProgRocker53]

In other words...are you more afraid of Palin becoming president or more concerned that it exposes poor judgment on the part of a man that picks her as VP.

For me Frank, it's truly both that scare the shit out of me. I obviously believe that McCain exercised VERY poor judgement when selecting Puppet Palin as his running mate.

Obama's "very poor judgement" of selecting Joe "3 letter word. Jobs, J-O-B-S. Jobs." Biden, and surrounding himself with America hating people isn't worth a mention from you?

+1

[RedWingFan]

Her consituency doesn't matter here, Dan. What are her approval numbers nationwide?

I disagree here Frank. Her constituents are the only one's who's matters at this point. They're the ones that know her best, the national polls would tend to be more politically slanted either way until she actually has a chance at serving.

[Tito]

In the end....Limbaugh and other radio bullhorns will be forced to accept responsibility for this mess.

Does that include.....

[Enigma869]

Obama's "very poor judgement" of selecting Joe "3 letter word. Jobs, J-O-B-S. Jobs." Biden, and surrounding himself with America hating people isn't worth a mention from you?

Listen William Ayers drumbeater...I don't buy any of the nonsense that either party spews. After reading up on William Ayers, and Obama's "relationship" with the guy, I'm not buying any of what McCain supporters are claiming of the relationship, because about the only thing that is true is that they served on a committee together. Trying to make Obama into a "terrorist" is simply fucking stupid! How come you haven't mentioned McCain's longstanding relationship with Gordon Liddy? His relationship with Liddy is FAR closer than any relationship that Obama had with Ayers! Hell, McCain said on Letterman just the other night that he was good friends with Liddy. The point is that I wouldn't hold McCain's choice of friends against him, any more than I would hold it against Obama for people he has had a VERY casual relationship with! I'm already on record as saying that I think Biden is a jackass. That said, he has more intellect in his big toe than that dope Palin has in her entire body! You're one of the few people who think Palin is a genius, because of her "executive" experience. Having all the "executive" experience in the world won't make up for the box of rocks in her head!


John from Boston

[Don]

In other words...are you more afraid of Palin becoming president or more concerned that it exposes poor judgment on the part of a man that picks her as VP.

For me, it's the latter. While I find the prospects of a Palin presidency scary, I think I am more concerned that a guy actually gets out in front of the country and goes "She's ready!"

Both, The fact that he admits to not really knowing her that well speaks loudly about him. He made a decision which seems like a spur of the moment choice. I have to think he was leaning one way and when he saw Obama's choice of Biden, reversed himself and selected a person basically to try to capture the disenfranchised Hilary supporters without thinking about whether the woman was qualified enough to hold her own if he becomes incapacitated. I have given her shit about her religious views, but in reality I voted for Bush and Reagan, who both wore their faith on their sleeve. Palin comes of as a hick and uneducated. She's a broken record at her rallies, a pitbull that can't seem to think on her own. What happened to her talking about education or special needs children or really anything that shows what she would be doing if she had to step in as president. OBAMA PALS AROUND WITH TERRORISTS, we heard you already Sarah, tell us something about who YOU pal around with and what YOUR parties plans are and how YOUR parties going to fix things that are broken in Washington. She doesn't seem to be the sharpest tool in the shed when it comes to speaking about any of the issues we are concerned with. Biden might be a dufus, but he can work with people in congress. Who in the republican side of the house really, really would take a dive for Palin. Even her own party doesn't stand behind her 100%, why should we?

[Enigma869]

Her constituents are the only one's who's matters at this point.

They won't matter one iota 15 days from now!

the national polls would tend to be more politically slanted either way until she actually has a chance at serving.

The only thing the Puppet will have a chance of serving are the dopes of Alaska who elected her!


John from Boston

[strangegrey]

I disagree here Frank. Her constituents are the only one's who's matters at this point. They're the ones that know her best, the national polls would tend to be more politically slanted either way until she actually has a chance at serving.

I dunno about that. It's clear that people in this country have rebelled against her, due to her inability to answer basic follow up questioning by the press. That's a huge issue.

Again, I dont know national poll numbers...but to suggest they get discredited in favor of only refering to her own numbers within her state (which arguably has different needs, wants and issues than most other states in the nation) isn't very democratic is it?

I mean, hell....why vote? Let's just take her numbers at fair value and since she's got 80%, we're good with it.

Seriously...she was put through a vetting and broke at the first tough salvo. That's really the issue here....did she go through a national vetting to get to her office in Alaska? Doubtful.

[Saint John]

Her consituency doesn't matter here, Dan.

Sure they do. She's an elected official.

What are her approval numbers nationwide?

It's hard for them to approve or disapprove of her as she doesn't hold an office outside of Alaska. I'd venture to guess that her constituents know her better than, say, Seth from Vermont.

[RedWingFan]

Obama's "very poor judgement" of selecting Joe "3 letter word. Jobs, J-O-B-S. Jobs." Biden, and surrounding himself with America hating people isn't worth a mention from you?

Listen William Ayers drumbeater...

Who said anything about Ayers? I was referring to his wife and the pastor who married him, baptized his children, and sat through his "USofKKKA" sermons, and his "America created AIDS to kill black people", "chickens coming home to roost" sermons. But sure I guess you could throw Ayers in there too. You seem kind of sensitive to that one though.

[RedWingFan]

The only thing the Puppet will have a chance of serving are the dopes of Alaska who elected her!


John from Boston

Well we all can't be so fortunate to dwell in the northeast. We all bow to the grandeur of those who deem it appropriate and just to re-elect one who drives a young girl into a lake and flee for his compound while he tries to come up with an alibi. Please excuse us little people, including the "dopes" in Alaska who approve of Alaska and her abuse of power.

[Enigma869]

Who said anything about Ayers? I was referring to his wife and the pastor who married him, baptized his children, and sat through his "USofKKKA" sermons, and his "America created AIDS to kill black people", "chickens coming home to roost" sermons. But sure I guess you could throw Ayers in there too. You seem kind of sensitive to that one though.

I can assure you that I'm not remotely "sensitive" to anything related to politics. I've said here, more than once, that partisan politics are idiotic! I'm not a fan of Obama, and am not voting for the guy. I don't disagree with ANYTHING you've said about Reverend Nutbag. The guy is a fucking lunatic. The point I made was that McCain has been affiliated with his share of lunatics also, so it's really not fair to single either candidate out, because of people they have known in their lives!


John from Boston

[RedWingFan]

Who said anything about Ayers? I was referring to his wife and the pastor who married him, baptized his children, and sat through his "USofKKKA" sermons, and his "America created AIDS to kill black people", "chickens coming home to roost" sermons. But sure I guess you could throw Ayers in there too. You seem kind of sensitive to that one though.

I can assure you that I'm not remotely "sensitive" to anything related to politics. I've said here, more than once, that partisan politics is idiotic! I'm not a fan of Obama, and am not voting for the guy. I don't disagree with ANYTHING you've said about Reverend Nutbag. The guy is a fucking lunatic. The point I made was the McCain has been affiliated with his share of lunatics also, so it's really not fair to single either candidate out, because of people they have known in their lives!


John from Boston

I just can't figure out why you continually criticize McCain for poor judgement, when Obama's horrible judgement on everything isn't mentioned.

[Tito]

i think the plumbers' union caused the stink and they were one of the first unions to throw their support behind obama/biden. even apprentices are in the union. i believe the tax evading joe the plumber is actually a contractor and his boss' business he spoke of buying makes around $100,000 a year. good ole joe is a registered republican and was clearly a mccain plant. no biggie, but it is what it is.

How could he be a plant? Obama was in his neighborhood. Again the point being missed, Joe isn't the issue. Obama's answer IS the issue. Did McCain or Joe the Plumber force Obama to answer that way.

[RedWingFan]

i think the plumbers' union caused the stink and they were one of the first unions to throw their support behind obama/biden. even apprentices are in the union. i believe the tax evading joe the plumber is actually a contractor and his boss' business he spoke of buying makes around $100,000 a year. good ole joe is a registered republican and was clearly a mccain plant. no biggie, but it is what it is.

How could he be a plant? Obama was in his neighborhood. Again the point being missed, Joe isn't the issue. Obama's answer IS the issue. Did McCain or Joe the Plumber force Obama to answer that way.

Dude, get with the program. It was Karl Rove.

[Jana]

RWF, I agree, when all of that came out with Wright, it disturbed me greatly. I cannot deny that. I was a huge Hillary supporter, so I really looked at it with a critical eye. I did listen to other sermons before they were pulled down and Wright had some great things to say about the black community needing to take responsibility, etc. But I think Wright is an egoccentric nut who almost chose to take down Obama's candidacy with that three-day weekend flurry of press. And when Obama gave his press conference, truthfully, he comes across so honest and forthright and angry and hurt, that I believe he is who he says he is. Even some of my Rep. friends, since it was only the primaries and they didn't care so much, said his answer came across well. I work with attorneys day in and day out and I know the smooth, slick arguments they can give. I feel he speaks from the heart. Does it bother me he was in the church for 20 years? Yes. I choose to believe him that he never heard the most inflammatory statements. But it doesn't change who I think he is, to me.

But I was for Hillary until the bitter end. And after that was on the fence for McCain until Palin. I was lukewarm on Obama. I really have watched Obama closely. I've seen all of his debates from primaries until now, watched him in every interview, such as Meet the Press, etc., and I am now impressed and confident in his keen intellect, leadership ability, and temperment to be President. McCain I'm losing confidence in with his anger and grandstanding with the suspension of his campaign and especially choice of Palin.

[RedWingFan]

And when Obama gave his press conference, truthfully, he comes across so honest and forthright and angry and hurt, that I believe he is who he says he is.

You mean the one when he couldn't disown Rev. Wright and called his white grandmother a racist and "a typical white person"? You've rationalized him as a good, honest guy. You're wrong, but congratulations.

[bluejeangirl76]

But I was for Hillary until the bitter end.

I was too. And now I have a "Team Hillary" shirt that I can only use as jammies.

[RedWingFan]

But I was for Hillary until the bitter end.

I was too. And now I have a "Team Hillary" shirt that I can only use as jammies.

Good thing I'm married, or you'd have one hell of a combative relationship on your hands.

[bluejeangirl76]

But I was for Hillary until the bitter end.

I was too. And now I have a "Team Hillary" shirt that I can only use as jammies.

Good thing I'm married, or you'd have one hell of a combative relationship on your hands.

No you wouldn't. I don't rip into people for political preferences that don't agree with my own (and if they rip into me I say fuck off and ignore the argument) and I only wear jammies to bed if I'm there alone.

[RossValoryRocks]

I have officially crossed into the "None of the Above" arena...I am going to go pull the lever for EVERY independent and 3rd party candidate I can.

McCain being elected would mean nothing, since it will be a huge majority for the Democrats in Congress.

Obama is going to ruin our economy with one swipe of his pen, hell at least it took Bush 8 years to fuck our economy...and really he had 2 years of help from Clinton laying the ground word before.

If anyone here actually believes Washington D.C. and the politicians there (for the most part) really want to help us, I suggest seeking psychological help, preferably with strong meds involved. I guess that means a psychiatrist.

We are royally fucked no matter what.

Until the people of this country stop looking to Washington to solve all their problems and actually THINK about the politics behind the rhetoric we all need to take bend over and lube up classes.

All the fucking politicians (for the most part) care about it getting to DC and making themselves rich at our expense. And we keep electing them...Biden, McCain, Kennedy, Reid, Pelosi, Dodd, Specter, anyone who has been in DC longer than it takes to tour the monuments and the Smithsonian are all unfit to govern this country; they ALL need to go!

It's time WE take our country back and actually run it FOR the people and BY the people, not the politically elite.