The 2008 US Presidential Election Thread

[Saint John]

Fuck! Now I won't be able to look at anything but his ears.

You mean you've been able to up until now?

[bluejeangirl76]

The B is carved in her face backwards like it was done in a mirror, it looks too perfect (no signs of struggle?) and she refused medical treatment. I smell a rat.

I smelled a rat the second I saw it. Doesn't take a genius to be suspicious of that. The B looks photoshopped. Come on, that's not a fresh cut and its too perfect looking. Wouldn't she be struggling, resulting in a fucked up looking "B"? She's going to just sit there and let him practice perfect penmanship?

I need more evidence.

[Since 78]

Fuck! Now I won't be able to look at anything but his ears.

You mean you've been able to up until now?

[treetopovskaya]

i wasn't defending palin as much as i was trying to state how silly/petty it is to discuss how much was spent on her clothes. that were given to her by the rep party... and after the election she has to return them. not her property. clothes are going to charity.

she is a lot like most of us... that's why it was needed for clothes to be purchased. she is the only one on the ticket who is not a millionaire.

I can't believe the lengths to which you guys will go to defend behavior in Palin you would find reprehensible, condemnable, and elitist in Obama.

There is simply no WAY to justify this kind of expenditure. To think people were all over Edwards for $400 haircuts he paid for out of his own pocket.

Tree, I know you're going to jump in here, but I fully expect your comment to be convoluted and ostentatious, so don't bother. This is an indefensible act.

[The_Noble_Cause]

she is a lot like most of us... that's why it was needed for clothes to be purchased. she is the only one on the ticket who is not a millionaire.

According to the Wall Street Journal, Palin's assets are 1.2 million dollars.
She's not hurtin.

[nolippin]

I suspect this is someone looking for attention. The officer says he "noticed" the wound...wouldn't that be a main focus? He also "repeatedly" hit and kicked her before slicing her face, but yet she refused medical treatment??? No one whose face had been carved up would refuse medical attention.


http://kdka.com/politics/McCain.Campaig ... 47449.html

The B is carved in her face backwards like it was done in a mirror, it looks too perfect (no signs of struggle?) and she refused medical treatment. I smell a rat.

I smelled a rat the second I saw it. Doesn't take a genius to be suspicious of that. The B looks photoshopped. Come on, that's not a fresh cut and its too perfect looking. Wouldn't she be struggling, resulting in a fucked up looking "B"? She's going to just sit there and let him practice perfect penmanship?

I need more evidence.

[Enigma869]

i wasn't defending palin as much as i was trying to state how silly/petty it is to discuss how much was spent on her clothes. that were given to her by the rep party... and after the election she has to return them. not her property. clothes are going to charity.

I don't believe the clothes are an issue, because taxpayers didn't pay for them. If they want to spend that kind of money from donations, that's their right. As for the whole "charity" thing...that is typical political BS. There was no statement made about the Puppet's clothes going to charity, until someone questioned the absurdity of the money spent. I'm confident that her clothes would have remained hanging in her closet, if this issue hadn't gotten out in the media. I honestly don't care if she keeps all the clothes. I just can't stand politicians who try to fix a perceived wrong, by inventing a "charity" at the 11th hour to "donate" the clothes to. I'm willing to bet that the "charity" has yet to be determined!


John from Boston

[Rick]

i wasn't defending palin as much as i was trying to state how silly/petty it is to discuss how much was spent on her clothes. that were given to her by the rep party... and after the election she has to return them. not her property. clothes are going to charity.

I don't believe the clothes are an issue, because taxpayers didn't pay for them. If they want to spend that kind of money from donations, that's their right. As for the whole "charity" thing...that is typical political BS. There was no statement made about the Puppet's clothes going to charity, until someone questioned the absurdity of the money spent. I'm confident that her clothes would have remained hanging in her closet, if this issue hadn't gotten out in the media. I honestly don't care if she keeps all the clothes. I just can't stand politicians who try to fix a perceived wrong, by inventing a "charity" at the 11th hour to "donate" the clothes to. I'm willing to bet that the "charity" has yet to be determined!


John from Boston

Maybe to the Palin kids travel fund.

[Lula]

part of campaign finance reform (mccain/feingold) was stating funds could not be used for personal things i.e., mortgages, clothing, etc. the ap reported there are questions being raised not so much about her allowance but the inclusion of her family in the clothing purchases. i don't care, but i imagine mccain is not too happy with his campaign letting this get out, especially so close to nov 4. his wife has a boat load of cash, too bad she didn't take sarah to saks, neiman marcus, and bloomies for a girls day out on her dime .

as for the selling the governor's plane.... she still uses the state's private plane for her family at $900 plus an hour. some might say "so what?" and if she just stopped trying to sell herself as outside the good ole boys way of politics then okay, but as long as she sells herself as a reformer or as "one of us" it just doesn't gel.

[Jana]

You know ol' Sarah Palin is now pissed she's going to have to donate all those designer clothes. Of course, they're saying that now. That doesn't even make sense. If they're planning to win the election, what, she's going to start from scratch as Vice-President with her old clothes from Alaska? Hah, they never planned for her to donate them. But I don't care anyway. It's much to do about nothing, except a "little" embarrassing for McCain/Palin and how they're depicting themselves.

[Skylorde]

You talk as if the radio landscape is an open and level playing field.
Many of Air America's programs were relegated to low wattage stations from the getgo.
I never heard one on my dial.
If Clinton hadn't signed the 1996 telecomm act and opened the door to even greater consolidation, would Limbaugh be where he is today?

Believe me, I'm not a Limbaugh defender but nobody can deny his accomplishments. Limbaugh started out on one single station (Sacramento??) and built an empire from that.

Airhead America was syndicated out of the gate on 123 stations nationwide AND broadcast on XM satellite. Couple that with the established personalities such as Al Franken and I have to ask, how the fuck can you possibly state they didn't have HUGE advantages over their Conservative counterparts?

Example: WKOX is a former AA affiliate in Boston, they switched their format to, of all things, Radio Rumba! It's laughable that AA failed in a Liberal hotbed city like Boston!

You can't know what sells and what doesn't when the consumer isn't given a choice.

Where shall I start?

How about Bill Press. Weekend Liberal talk show host on KFI in Los Angeles. 50,000 watts, can be heard in five western states in the evening hours. Press actually graduated from weekends to the 7PM weekday timeslot for a short period of time. The ratings for that timeslot TANKED and he was gone in a few months. He later came back for a weekend stint then moved on to MSNBC where his ratings couldn't pass the straight face test. (shocking for a powerhouse such as MSNBC)

Tammy Bruce: Same deal, (at the time) president of NOW Los Angeles. As of recent, she's become Conservative (Don't know how that happens) but during her weekend stint at KFI, she was hard core left. She never garnered any respectable ratings and moved on in less than a year to a competitor station.

Tom Leykis: Prior to becoming president of the He-Man Woman Haters Club, he did the afternoon drive on KFI. I thought he was reasonably entertaining however the general populous didn't and he was gone. He later came back on a competitor station under syndication with the same format. That tanked too. He finally found his nitch with a modified format version of Howard Stern.

Andrew & (Forget his partners name): When John and Ken left KFI over a contract dispute, they took over J&K's afternoon drive slot. They lasted just over a year. How do two openly gay gays in the heart of Gayville not succeed?

Those are three examples I can think of off the top of my head. Bottom line: Left leaning hosts have been given AMPLE opportunity to succeed. The consumers WERE given a choice and they chose not to listen.

[Skylorde]

Again, neo-con shows his class with another unwarranted personal attack.

YOU are the one suggesting the Democrats were primarily responsible for the financial crisis.

The data and facts prove the OPPOSITE is true.

Oh get a thicker skin dude, it was just a jab.

Now, get back to your gay porn.

Careful, your HOMOPHOBIA is showing! You could jeopardize your Left Wing Nutcase membership!

[The_Noble_Cause]

Believe me, I'm not a Limbaugh defender but nobody can deny his accomplishments. Limbaugh started out on one single station (Sacramento??) and built an empire from that.

I've never denied the guy's talented.

Airhead America was syndicated out of the gate on 123 stations nationwide AND broadcast on XM satellite. Couple that with the established personalities such as Al Franken and I have to ask, how the fuck can you possibly state they didn't have HUGE advantages over their Conservative counterparts?

How many of these were low wattage stations? I'm in Philly and I didn't have one out here. Also, the Conservative format was already well established. Franken, despite his marquee value, was not a very good broadcaster.

Where shall I start?

How about Bill Press. Weekend Liberal talk show host on KFI in Los Angeles. 50,000 watts, can be heard in five western states in the evening hours. Press actually graduated from weekends to the 7PM weekday timeslot for a short period of time. The ratings for that timeslot TANKED and he was gone in a few months. He later came back for a weekend stint then moved on to MSNBC where his ratings couldn't pass the straight face test. (shocking for a powerhouse such as MSNBC)

Tammy Bruce: Same deal, (at the time) president of NOW Los Angeles. As of recent, she's become Conservative (Don't know how that happens) but during her weekend stint at KFI, she was hard core left. She never garnered any respectable ratings and moved on in less than a year to a competitor station.

Tom Leykis: Prior to becoming president of the He-Man Woman Haters Club, he did the afternoon drive on KFI. I thought he was reasonably entertaining however the general populous didn't and he was gone. He later came back on a competitor station under syndication with the same format. That tanked too. He finally found his nitch with a modified format version of Howard Stern.

Andrew & (Forget his partners name): When John and Ken left KFI over a contract dispute, they took over J&K's afternoon drive slot. They lasted just over a year. How do two openly gay gays in the heart of Gayville not succeed?

Those are three examples I can think of off the top of my head. Bottom line: Left leaning hosts have been given AMPLE opportunity to succeed. The consumers WERE given a choice and they chose not to listen.

There's been alot of failures, but there has been moderate successes with Ed Schultz, Randi Rhodes, Stephanie Miller.
Nothing compared to Limbaugh, but those reasons are more complex than simply "the market has spoken."
And again, the Fairness Doctrine was to allow the people a right of recourse on the public airwaves.
It wasn't just for liberals, tho admittedly they are behind the current push to bring it back.
I agree with it in pricniple regardless of the aggrieved party.

[Skylorde]

There's been alot of failures, but there has been moderate successes with Ed Schultz, Randi Rhodes, Stephanie Miller.
Nothing compared to Limbaugh, but those reasons are more complex than simply "the market has spoken."
And again, the Fairness Doctrine was to allow the people a right of recourse on the public airwaves.
It wasn't just for liberals, tho admittedly they are behind the current push to bring it back.
I agree with it in pricniple regardless of the aggrieved party.

We simply disagree. The free market works best, in this case, without big brother looking over the shoulder of program managers in terrestrial radio and television. Aside form the absurdity of yet another government intrusion, the fairness doctrine is yet another slice and dice of free speech. But hey, what's one more shred of our Constitution huh?

As a side note, Stephanie Miller had a weekday stint in Los Angeles radio in the 90's and she was very funny!

[Jana]

BY KATE COURIC: Do you consider yourself a feminist? I do. I'm a feminist who believes in equal rights.



She was asked by Brian Willliams, NBC, I believe, if she's a feminist. She stated: I'm not gonna to put a label on mysef, and I think that's what bothers Americans. Then more was said. She believes in equality and et cetera.


But why the change for Sarah Palin in the label of feminist?

[The_Noble_Cause]

Aside form the absurdity of yet another government intrusion, the fairness doctrine is yet another slice and dice of free speech. But hey, what's one more shred of our Constitution huh?

Free speech loses all meaning when practiced in a content vaccum.
With the exception of maybe Art Bell, hundreds of news/talk stations have an exclusively right wing format.
Like letters to the editor in a newspaper, its only fair to let the besmirched have a right of reply.

[treetopovskaya]

and obama would still be going to that church... blah blah blah...

i wasn't defending palin as much as i was trying to state how silly/petty it is to discuss how much was spent on her clothes. that were given to her by the rep party... and after the election she has to return them. not her property. clothes are going to charity.

I don't believe the clothes are an issue, because taxpayers didn't pay for them. If they want to spend that kind of money from donations, that's their right. As for the whole "charity" thing...that is typical political BS. There was no statement made about the Puppet's clothes going to charity, until someone questioned the absurdity of the money spent. I'm confident that her clothes would have remained hanging in her closet, if this issue hadn't gotten out in the media. I honestly don't care if she keeps all the clothes. I just can't stand politicians who try to fix a perceived wrong, by inventing a "charity" at the 11th hour to "donate" the clothes to. I'm willing to bet that the "charity" has yet to be determined!


John from Boston

[Lula]

BY KATE COURIC: Do you consider yourself a feminist? I do. I'm a feminist who believes in equal rights.



She was asked by Brian Willliams, NBC, I believe, if she's a feminist. She stated: I'm not going to put a label on mysef. Then rambed a little more.


Why the change for Sarah Palin?

when katie asked, it was good to say you are a feminist, when brian asked, eh.... not so much

who knows?!!

[Arkansas]

I understand your point. But they have to keep her pretty.

Yeah, that takes the focus of what she is saying

Go to bed.

He's in the UK, dork! It's like dinnertime over there.

Oh. Then, Andrew mind your own business. This isn't your country.

US decisions affect the rest of the world (unfortunately...and especially when they are dumb ones...) and I don't want that woman influencing my world.

So, Australia, or Tasmania, doesn't have any sense or ownership of their own? Wtf? Live on your own...take responsibility for yourselves, damnit...quit living off of our table scraps.



later~

[treetopovskaya]

someone go ask obama why he spent $21 mil on polls.

[treetopovskaya]

people don't want the gov telling them what to do with their bodies but they want the gov hand outs. whatever.

take care of your own stuff & stop whining. you make your bed... sleep in it.

"if you haven't earned it... you don't deserve it"

[Jana]

Tree, he did because he can. That's why he spent that money.


I'm glad to see Andrew on here, the voice of reason.

[treetopovskaya]

so what if he can that wasn't my point. don't you think THAT'S a waste of money?

Tree, he did because he can. That's why he spent that money.


I'm glad to see Andrew on here, the voice of reason.

[Rick]

so what if he can that wasn't my point. don't you think THAT'S a waste of money?

Tree, he did because he can. That's why he spent that money.


I'm glad to see Andrew on here, the voice of reason.

I'm not sure why it would cost 20 million, but polls are critical to planning your campaign.

[Don]

Early voting in Norwalk tomorrow for any of my L.A. County peeps.

[Lula]

someone go ask obama why he spent $21 mil on polls.

spent 21 mil on polls? like tracking? do you have the story link?

[Lula]

Early voting in Norwalk tomorrow for any of my L.A. County peeps.

i'm waiting until after work on the 4th. taking my baby boy to punch the card i have early childhood memories of watching the conventions and debates on tv with my mom.... keep the family tradition going

[RedWingFan]

"if you haven't earned it... you don't deserve it"

[Don]

Early voting in Norwalk tomorrow for any of my L.A. County peeps.

i'm waiting until after work on the 4th. taking my baby boy to punch the card

I'm going with my son and 3 of his college mates tomorrow. It will be the first time for all of them.

[Jana]

Tree, No, it doesn't bother me. He has been given huge sums of money from donations. We want him to win. Take the money and use it in the campaign as he sees fit. That's how I feel. It's going to be a tight race in certain states and they are very impotant to the outcome of this race. It might even be a tighter race all over more than people assume. No time to get complacent. Pull out all stops.