The 2008 US Presidential Election Thread

[treetopovskaya]

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/expen ... =N00009638

obama also can't account for $550,000

someone go ask obama why he spent $21 mil on polls.

spent 21 mil on polls? like tracking? do you have the story link?

[Lula]

Early voting in Norwalk tomorrow for any of my L.A. County peeps.

i'm waiting until after work on the 4th. taking my baby boy to punch the card

I'm going with my son and 3 of his college mates tomorrow. It will be the first time for all of them.

very cool, regardless of the candidate receiving the votes. i teach u.s. history and have been teaching and holding discussions about the current election and the historical aspect. my students are eating it up, very exciting- they're even getting the opportunity to vote along with other schools in a mock election offered through our sec of state.

[Don]

Early voting in Norwalk tomorrow for any of my L.A. County peeps.

i'm waiting until after work on the 4th. taking my baby boy to punch the card

I'm going with my son and 3 of his college mates tomorrow. It will be the first time for all of them.

very cool, regardless of the candidate receiving the votes. i teach u.s. history and have been teaching and holding discussions about the current election and the historical aspect. my students are eating it up, very exciting- they're even getting the opportunity to vote along with other schools in a mock election offered through our sec of state.

They've been doing mockup debates on the healthcare issue in school, it's great to see them presenting both sides. The professor intermixed left and right together to force teamwork so there are Dems and Reps on both teams.

[Lula]

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/expend.php?cycle=2008&cid=N00009638

obama also can't account for $550,000

someone go ask obama why he spent $21 mil on polls.

spent 21 mil on polls? like tracking? do you have the story link?

cool site, thanks.

i hope that 21 mil proves to be money well spent.

[7 Wishes]

Closing in now...13 days until No More Palin Ever.

Wow, is she stupid.

[Don]

Closing in now...13 days until No More Palin Ever.

Wow, is she stupid.

Maybe she'll go make softporn movies in France like John Cain's ex-wife Tani did when her career floundered.

[conversationpc]

The vast majority of the public, including democrats...don't agree with you.

Maybe that's because most, like yourself, have the mistaken impression that the Doctrine mandated 50/50 equal time.
It never did.
And last I checked, nearly half of Americans do favor it.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php? ... geId=72369

Make up your feeble mind, for crying out loud. I brought up the Fairness Doctrine a good while ago and you said that it wouldn't do what I said it would do, which would be to effectively shut down conservative talk radio. Then, not more than a few weeks ago, you said it should be used to shut up people like Glenn Beck because, in your words, it was for the "good of the country".

[Skylorde]

Free speech loses all meaning when practiced in a content vaccum.
With the exception of maybe Art Bell, hundreds of news/talk stations have an exclusively right wing format.
Like letters to the editor in a newspaper, its only fair to let the besmirched have a right of reply.

That's a politically correct way of conceding defeat on a level playing field where the rules apply equally to everyone.

I don't buy into every wild conspiracy the left or the right claims but you'll be hard pressed to deny the main stream media (NBC, CBS, ABC) have had a left slant to their broadcasts for a very long time. In the early 90's (before talk radio really got it's footing), a Democrat congressman was asked his opinion about said slant. His reply? "Don't like it? Go start your own network!"

Then Fox came along and climbed to the top of the ladder. All the left has done since then is bitch and moan about it despite the fact MSNBC, CNN and CNBC to some extent are clearly in bed with the left. Granted, I'm not claiming Fox is neutral by any stretch.

When the left had a majority of the media in bed with it, there was no drum beat for a return to the fairness doctrine. Now that there's a fairly proportionate balance of media overall, there's a sudden urgency to bring it back. Hmmm, wonder why that is?

[The_Noble_Cause]

Then, not more than a few weeks ago, you said it should be used to shut up people like Glenn Beck because, in your words, it was for the "good of the country".

Again, the terms of how the doctrine was implemented varied and was sometimes left up to the discretion of the station's owners.
I wish Beck would be thrown off the air the same way FDR unconstitutionally threw famed radio demogogogue Father Coughlin off the air.
But, hey, that's just wishful thinking.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Free speech loses all meaning when practiced in a content vaccum.
With the exception of maybe Art Bell, hundreds of news/talk stations have an exclusively right wing format.
Like letters to the editor in a newspaper, its only fair to let the besmirched have a right of reply.

That's a politically correct way of conceding defeat on a level playing field where the rules apply equally to everyone.

I don't buy into every wild conspiracy the left or the right claims but you'll be hard pressed to deny the main stream media (NBC, CBS, ABC) have had a left slant to their broadcasts for a very long time. In the early 90's (before talk radio really got it's footing), a Democrat congressman was asked his opinion about said slant. His reply? "Don't like it? Go start your own network!"

Then Fox came along and climbed to the top of the ladder. All the left has done since then is bitch and moan about it despite the fact MSNBC, CNN and CNBC to some extent are clearly in bed with the left. Granted, I'm not claiming Fox is neutral by any stretch.

When the left had a majority of the media in bed with it, there was no drum beat for a return to the fairness doctrine. Now that there's a fairly proportionate balance of media overall, there's a sudden urgency to bring it back. Hmmm, wonder why that is?

I don't see how CNN or CNBC is in bed with the left, and until recently MSNBC was home to many right wing blowhards (Carlson, Scarborough, Crowley, Savage, Coulter, Ingraham, Buchanan....just to name a few). On top of that, the Fairness Doctrine never applied to cable.
If the Right wants the Fairness Doctrine they should contact their representatives and demand it.
Unfortunately, as witnessed by Fact Finder, many have confused Corporatism for Conservatism.

[conversationpc]

Again, the terms of how the doctrine was implemented varied and was sometimes left up to the discretion of the station's owners.
I wish Beck would be thrown off the air the same way FDR unconstitutionally threw famed radio demogogogue Father Coughlin off the air.
But, hey, that's just wishful thinking.

Kinda un-American isn't it? It's pretty telling that you're so threatened at someone who disagrees with your point of view that would be so desperate as to want them unconstitutionally thrown off the air. There are left-wingers I think are just as or more dangerous than you think Beck is but I believe they should absolutely have the right to spew whatever filth they want to out of their mouth, even if they were to somehow become as popular as Beck, Limbaugh, Hannity, etc.

[strangegrey]

On top of that, the Fairness Doctrine never applied to cable.

Oh...I see. It's ok to discard it (the doctrine) in markets where the left has the advantage...but absolutely necessary in markets where the left can't get a foothold.

You really need to step asside on this one. You're not making any sense.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Kinda un-American isn't it? It's pretty telling that you're so threatened at someone who disagrees with your point of view that would be so desperate as to want them unconstitutionally thrown off the air. There are left-wingers I think are just as or more dangerous than you think Beck is but I believe they should absolutely have the right to spew whatever filth they want to out of their mouth, even if they were to somehow become as popular as Beck, Limbaugh, Hannity, etc.

It's not about divergent points of views or the robust marketplace of ideas, its about unrepentant lying sons of bitches.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Oh...I see. It's ok to discard it (the doctrine) in markets where the left has the advantage...but absolutely necessary in markets where the left can't get a foothold.

You really need to step asside on this one. You're not making any sense.

If someone wants to make that argument they certainly can, but historically it's only applied to radio.

[conversationpc]

Kinda un-American isn't it? It's pretty telling that you're so threatened at someone who disagrees with your point of view that would be so desperate as to want them unconstitutionally thrown off the air. There are left-wingers I think are just as or more dangerous than you think Beck is but I believe they should absolutely have the right to spew whatever filth they want to out of their mouth, even if they were to somehow become as popular as Beck, Limbaugh, Hannity, etc.

It's not about divergent points of views or the robust marketplace of ideas, its about unrepentant lying sons of bitches.

I won't speak for Hannity or Limbaugh since I don't listen to them all that often nor like them all that much. However, Beck is not a lying SOB. Is everything he says 100% factual? No, but he is not purposely lying.

[Rhiannon]

[Tito]

I fail to see how a poll on Lou Dobbs is representative of the American people at large.
While nowhere near a complete hack like Hannity, he does skew Conservative.

Who the hell cares what he or anyone else thinks?

I'm bringing a factual scientific poll result to the argument, you're bringing a flawed concept that if people dont want to listen (and advertise) that you're going to ram it down their throats.

Whether Lou Dobbs, Keith Olberman or Rush Limbaugh presented the poll shouldn't matter one iotta, so long as the poll itself was conducted with scientifically sound sampling.


Sorry, TNC. I'm on your side on most of this shit these days (which is personally shocking)...but this is something that you're not making a good argument on.

You've changed.

[Tito]

It also pales in comparassion to Obama's expenses to the taxpayers and his own campaign expenses.

Dude, where do you dream this stuff up? You do realize how his campaign is funded, right? Wow.

I was talking about secret service protection, et al.


Althought poorly written, I also was talking about his campaign wasteful spending.

[Tito]

Early voting in Norwalk tomorrow for any of my L.A. County peeps.

i'm waiting until after work on the 4th. taking my baby boy to punch the card

I'm going with my son and 3 of his college mates tomorrow. It will be the first time for all of them.

very cool, regardless of the candidate receiving the votes. i teach u.s. history and have been teaching and holding discussions about the current election and the historical aspect. my students are eating it up, very exciting- they're even getting the opportunity to vote along with other schools in a mock election offered through our sec of state.

Great! I'm sure that's a balanced lecture.

[conversationpc]

very cool, regardless of the candidate receiving the votes. i teach u.s. history and have been teaching and holding discussions about the current election and the historical aspect. my students are eating it up, very exciting- they're even getting the opportunity to vote along with other schools in a mock election offered through our sec of state.

Great! I'm sure that's a balanced lecture.

Come on, dude! You don't know how she teaches. I'd expect Lula is non-partisan as far as how she teaches her history class.

[Skylorde]

And last I checked, nearly half of Americans do favor it.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php? ... geId=72369

You discredit Conservative sources when the point of view is contrary to yours yet you credit them when it works in your favor. You can't have it both ways, pick one.

It's not about divergent points of views or the robust marketplace of ideas, its about unrepentant lying sons of bitches.

And the talking head's on the left never lie? Olbermann never lies?

I wish Beck would be thrown off the air the same way FDR unconstitutionally threw famed radio demogogogue Father Coughlin off the air.
But, hey, that's just wishful thinking.

How Constitutional of you. I guess that statement alone about sums you up 'eh? Giving you the benefit of the doubt in assuming you made that statement in sarcasm (which I don't think you did), I'm fairly certain you wouldn't be leading the charge to protect Beck's freedom of speech if it came down to him getting "thrown off the air"

I can't stand Olbermann and frankly pounding nails through my cock with a framing hammer would be more entertaining than suffering through his hour of diarrhea. That being said, I would never advocate "throwing him off the air". I guess I'm one of the minority who still cling to the principles of that "pain in the Liberals ass" document called the Constitution.

Why don't you stop pretending and just admit you'd be gleefully happy abandoning the Constitution in favor of a Chavez or Jong-il style government?

[Gin and Tonic Sky]

very cool, regardless of the candidate receiving the votes. i teach u.s. history and have been teaching and holding discussions about the current election and the historical aspect. my students are eating it up, very exciting- they're even getting the opportunity to vote along with other schools in a mock election offered through our sec of state.

We had a mock election in elementary school in 1976 . We had a mock Gerald Ford and a Mock Jimmy Carter. I got to be Gerald Ford, some girl named Kirsten was JImmy Carter. ALL the boys wanted to kiss Kirsten , no girls wanted to kiss me..... so no fucker voted for me. I think I lost by 300 votes.........

[Tito]

http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=P ... geId=78929

[Enigma869]

Puppet Palin has refuted that $150K has been spent on her wardrobe in a recent Chicago Tribune interview. Speaking of which...To my Chicago friends, is it true that the Tribune has endorsed Obama, and that it is the one and only time in their history of over 100 years that they've endorsed a Democrat? Are they throwing away their beliefs just because the guy is a senator from their state? It seems to me that most would see right through that, and that they would lose all credibility!


http://news.aol.com/elections/article/p ... 1200753397

John from Boston

[Skylorde]

http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=78929

Tito, don't ya know the staff & columnists at WND are a bunch of lying right wing SOB's?

Then again TNC gave them a nod so maybe they aren't a bunch of lying right wing SOB's afterall?

Dude, everyone knows Ayres "never really meant all those things" and his statements have been "blown completely out of context" by the right wing attack dogs.

Really, he's an upstanding citizen everyone should aspire to be like.

[Tito]

Puppet Palin has refuted that $150K has been spent on her wardrobe in a recent Chicago Tribune interview. Speaking of which...To my Chicago friends, is it true that the Tribune has endorsed Obama, and that it is the one and only time in their history of over 100 years that they've endorsed a Democrat? Are they throwing away their beliefs just because the guy is a senator from their state? It seems to me that most would see right through that, and that they would lose all credibility!


http://news.aol.com/elections/article/p ... 1200753397

John from Boston

Damn, I was just reading that article you just posted.

Anyway to your question, the Tribune denies but there is no doubt part of the reason they endorsed Obama is because he is from Illinois. Yes, it is the first time they have endorsed a democrat to my knowledge. Second, I laugh when people say the Tribune is a conservative paper. It hasn't been conservative in nearly 50 years. They tout the free trade position (including open borders) as the reason that they qualify for being conservative. However, a ton of conservatives (paleocons) have a problem with so called free trade. As far as social issues they are on the left for as long as I can remember. I personally stopped subscribing to the Tribune over 3 years ago.

[strangegrey]

I fail to see how a poll on Lou Dobbs is representative of the American people at large.
While nowhere near a complete hack like Hannity, he does skew Conservative.

Who the hell cares what he or anyone else thinks?

I'm bringing a factual scientific poll result to the argument, you're bringing a flawed concept that if people dont want to listen (and advertise) that you're going to ram it down their throats.

Whether Lou Dobbs, Keith Olberman or Rush Limbaugh presented the poll shouldn't matter one iotta, so long as the poll itself was conducted with scientifically sound sampling.


Sorry, TNC. I'm on your side on most of this shit these days (which is personally shocking)...but this is something that you're not making a good argument on.

You've changed.

Exactly how? I am, by all definitions a true conservative...but I think 95% of the current Republican leadership is completely and utterly shirking their duties. They've allowed this country, it's economy and it's military efforts to be completely destroyed and subverted by under handed agendas.

While I'm not ready to trust Obama either...I feel that a vote for McCain is a mistake. He's a lying sack of shit that has changed his position to suit the political wind more times than I can imagine. That's not a maverick. That's a spineless sack of shit.

I think a presidency with someone like that leading is actually worse than Bush. At least with Bush, his fucking putrid ideas were supported by an uncanny courage of his convictions. You can't deny Bush that. Perhaps it's his finding Jesus back in the late 80s. WTF knows. But his decissions were pigheadedly made with very few people able to lead him away from the edge.

McCain will govern from a platform that is virtually 94% similar to Bush's. Not only that, but he will do so with a similarly frightening courage of his own convictions. Think about it. McCain, while eratic and flip floppy....refuses to listen to his own advisers. He just slugs from his gut, thinking he knews best. The added 'gotcha' here is that McCain will be unpredictable. He will openly second guess himself all over the place....

So as president, He'll go marching into a policy discussion, force the room to comply with his bush-ass view on things.....the people will take their marching orders and relucantly carry out his orders...and then later that afternoon, the old sack of lying shit will change his mind and backstab his own people on TV. He's done it 100 times on this campaign. Hell, his own campaign people are starting to spill the stories to the press. He's a leadership disaster waiting to happen.

How is that leadership??

Hell, my opinion of McCain is that he's not George Bush....he's 100X George Bush.

[nolippin]

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id ... _article=1


Police: McCain volunteer changes ATM attack story

Oct 24 12:23 PM US/Eastern
7 Comments

PITTSBURGH (AP) - Pittsburgh police say a McCain campaign volunteer who said she was held down by a black man who cut the letter "B" in her face has changed her story.
Police spokeswoman Diane Richard says investigators gave the 20-year-old woman a lie-detector test and are "looking at some inconsistencies" in her story.

The student, Ashley Todd, of College Station, Texas, initially said a black man robbed her at knifepoint Wednesday night and then cut her cheek after seeing a McCain sticker on her car.

Police say bank surveillance footage doesn't show her at an ATM where she says she was attacked.

Todd, who is white, now says she was knocked unconscious and doesn't remember being cut. She now says she only discovered the wound later.

No arrests have been made.

[Tito]

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D940VEM01&show_article=1


Police: McCain volunteer changes ATM attack story

Oct 24 12:23 PM US/Eastern
7 Comments

PITTSBURGH (AP) - Pittsburgh police say a McCain campaign volunteer who said she was held down by a black man who cut the letter "B" in her face has changed her story.
Police spokeswoman Diane Richard says investigators gave the 20-year-old woman a lie-detector test and are "looking at some inconsistencies" in her story.

The student, Ashley Todd, of College Station, Texas, initially said a black man robbed her at knifepoint Wednesday night and then cut her cheek after seeing a McCain sticker on her car.

Police say bank surveillance footage doesn't show her at an ATM where she says she was attacked.

Todd, who is white, now says she was knocked unconscious and doesn't remember being cut. She now says she only discovered the wound later.

No arrests have been made.

When I saw the pictures on Drudge, I agreed with everyone else here it sounded like bullsh-t.

[Tito]

I fail to see how a poll on Lou Dobbs is representative of the American people at large.
While nowhere near a complete hack like Hannity, he does skew Conservative.

Who the hell cares what he or anyone else thinks?

I'm bringing a factual scientific poll result to the argument, you're bringing a flawed concept that if people dont want to listen (and advertise) that you're going to ram it down their throats.

Whether Lou Dobbs, Keith Olberman or Rush Limbaugh presented the poll shouldn't matter one iotta, so long as the poll itself was conducted with scientifically sound sampling.


Sorry, TNC. I'm on your side on most of this shit these days (which is personally shocking)...but this is something that you're not making a good argument on.

You've changed.

While I'm not ready to trust Obama either...I feel that a vote for McCain is a mistake. He's a lying sack of shit that has changed his position to suit the political wind more times than I can imagine. That's not a maverick. That's a spineless sack of shit.

Vote 3rd party.