The 2008 US Presidential Election Thread

[The_Noble_Cause]

They probably hired someone from Media Matters to do the ad...

Media Matters is overly generous with providing context.
Short of posting the full 3 hour broadcast of Beck or Limbaugh, I’m not sure what would satisfy you guys.

[conversationpc]

They probably hired someone from Media Matters to do the ad...

Media Matters is overly generous with providing context.
Short of posting the full 3 hour broadcast of Beck or Limbaugh, I’m not sure what would satisfy you guys.

I thought you would have that response but I'm not going to argue MM tonight...Too tired. MM and MRC are both partisan organizations and I don't have the time of day for either one of them.

[The_Noble_Cause]

MM and MRC are both partisan organizations and I don't have the time of day for either one of them.

As long as they provide full audio and video, who cares?

[The_Noble_Cause]

I read though the emails… ALL OF THEM… before I posted, and what I concluded was anticlimactic, there was nothing there, nothing incriminating, nothing that would derail her campaign as I had hoped, all I saw was personal stuff, some clerical stuff from when she was governor…. And pictures of her family

http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/0 ... il-ha.html

Interesting turn of events....O'Reilly's website has now been hacked in retribution for his comments against the hacker.

http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/0 ... ly-ha.html

[7 Wishes]

Again, lots of people have READ Rick's post, yet no-one has responded to it.

So, dear conservatives...what of those points he raised? Nothing yet? How unsurprising.

[7 Wishes]

Here, I'll post it again to spare you the inconvenience of having to scroll up:

If you grow up in Hawaii , raised by your grandparents, you're "exotic, different."

However, grow up in Alaska eating mooseburgers, you're a quintessential American story.


If your name is Barack you're a radical, unpatriotic "Muslim" (who, by the way, is a Christian).

However, name your kids Willow , Trig and Track, you're a "maverick".


Graduate from Harvard law School and you are unstable.

However, attend 5 different small colleges before graduating, you're well grounded.


If you spend 3 years as a brilliant community organizer, become the first black President of the Harvard Law Review, create a voter registration drive that registers 150,000 new voters, spend 12 years as a Constitutional Law Professor, spend 8 years as a State Senator representing a district withover 750,000 people, become chairman of the state Senate's Health and Human Services committee, spend 4 years in the United States Senate representing a state of 13 million people while sponsoring 131 bills and serving on the Foreign Affairs, Environment and Public Works and Veteran's Affairs Committees, you don't have any real leadership experience.

However, if your total resume is: local weather girl, 4 years on the city council and 6 years as the mayor of a town with less than 7,000 people, 20 months as the governor of a state with only 650,000 people, then you're qualified to become the country's second highest ranking executive and next in line behind a man in h is eighth decade of life.


If you have been married to the same woman for 19 years while raising 2 daughters, all within Protestant churches, you're not a real Christian.

However, if you cheated on your first wife with a rich heiress, and then left your disfigured wife and married the heiress the next month, you're a true Christian.


If you teach responsible, age appropriate sex education, including the proper use of birth control, you are eroding the fiber of society.

However, if, while governor, you staunchly advocate abstinence only, with no other option in sex education in your state's school system while your unwed teen daughter ends up pregnant, you're very responsible.


If your wife is a Harvard graduate lawyer who gave up a position in a prestigious law firm to work for the betterment of her inner city community, then gave that up to raise a family, your family's values don't represent America's.


However, if your husband is nicknamed "First Dude", with at least one DWI conviction and no college education, who didn't register to vote until age 25 and once was a member of a group that advocated the secession of Alaska from the USA , your family is extremely admirable.

[csiako]

Again, lots of people have READ Rick's post, yet no-one has responded to it.

So, dear conservatives...what of those points he raised? Nothing yet? How unsurprising.

heh the email is so outrageous, i didnt think anybody had to response to it

[conversationpc]

Again, lots of people have READ Rick's post, yet no-one has responded to it.

So, dear conservatives...what of those points he raised? Nothing yet? How unsurprising.

Wasn't this covered in another thread awhile back?

[7 Wishes]

heh the email is so outrageous, i didnt think anybody had to response to it

OUTRAGEOUS? Fucking a, you are an ignoramus.

EVERYTHING IS TRUE. NOTHING IS FALSE.

Now. Respond to it.

[conversationpc]

If you grow up in Hawaii , raised by your grandparents, you're "exotic, different."

However, grow up in Alaska eating mooseburgers, you're a quintessential American story.

Non-issue...Who cares about either point?

If your name is Barack you're a radical, unpatriotic "Muslim" (who, by the way, is a Christian).

However, name your kids Willow , Trig and Track, you're a "maverick".

As I've said several times...Obama is not muslim and naming your kids those ridiculous names has nothing to do with anything.

Graduate from Harvard law School and you are unstable.

However, attend 5 different small colleges before graduating, you're well grounded.

Both points are ridiculous. I've never heard anyone say anything about graduating from Harvard making you unstable and there's certainly nothing wrong with attending "5 different small colleges" before graduating...Whoop-de-doo.

If you spend 3 years as a brilliant community organizer, become the first black President of the Harvard Law Review, create a voter registration drive that registers 150,000 new voters, spend 12 years as a Constitutional Law Professor, spend 8 years as a State Senator representing a district withover 750,000 people, become chairman of the state Senate's Health and Human Services committee, spend 4 years in the United States Senate representing a state of 13 million people while sponsoring 131 bills and serving on the Foreign Affairs, Environment and Public Works and Veteran's Affairs Committees, you don't have any real leadership experience.

However, if your total resume is: local weather girl, 4 years on the city council and 6 years as the mayor of a town with less than 7,000 people, 20 months as the governor of a state with only 650,000 people, then you're qualified to become the country's second highest ranking executive and next in line behind a man in h is eighth decade of life.

Both of these statements are skewed unfavorably in one direction. I can say till I'm blue in the face that I'm comfortable with Palin's experience and that Obama's experience doesn't do much for me. In my opinion, Obama has no leg up on Palin as far as experience goes and vice versa.

If you have been married to the same woman for 19 years while raising 2 daughters, all within Protestant churches, you're not a real Christian.

However, if you cheated on your first wife with a rich heiress, and then left your disfigured wife and married the heiress the next month, you're a true Christian.

I don't think McCain claims to be a Christian, does he?

If you teach responsible, age appropriate sex education, including the proper use of birth control, you are eroding the fiber of society.

However, if, while governor, you staunchly advocate abstinence only, with no other option in sex education in your state's school system while your unwed teen daughter ends up pregnant, you're very responsible.

The second statement here is patently false. It also makes it look like she's irresponsible because her daughter got pregnant.

If your wife is a Harvard graduate lawyer who gave up a position in a prestigious law firm to work for the betterment of her inner city community, then gave that up to raise a family, your family's values don't represent America's.

However, if your husband is nicknamed "First Dude", with at least one DWI conviction and no college education, who didn't register to vote until age 25 and once was a member of a group that advocated the secession of Alaska from the USA , your family is extremely admirable.

No one here at least is denigrating Michelle Obama for graduating from Harvard or for raising a family, both admirable accomplishments. Aside from that, who cares about the DWI. It was 20+ years ago and, from all we know, hasn't happened again. Again, who cares if he did or didn't graduate from college.

Whether or not the "first dude" was a member of a secessionist group is a legitimate issue. However, there's plent of skeletons in the Obama closet, if we want to go there.

[conversationpc]

heh the email is so outrageous, i didnt think anybody had to response to it

OUTRAGEOUS? Fucking a, you are an ignoramus.

EVERYTHING IS TRUE. NOTHING IS FALSE.

Now. Respond to it.

What happened to keeping a lid on the name-calling? His response didn't merit that outburst.

[7 Wishes]

Hmm. Every time I make a valid point, I am called stupid, ignorant, or feeble-minded.

I am just sick and tired of the one-sided bullshit from the Republican party.

[conversationpc]

Hmm. Every time I make a valid point, I am called stupid, ignorant, or feeble-minded.

I am just sick and tired of the one-sided bullshit from the Republican party.

So you do the same thing in return? You're only doing the same thing and Democrats in general do it as well. Both sides pull the same BS. If ANYONE on this board, or this country in general, thinks one side has cornered the market on the "one-sided bullshit", they are kidding themselves.

[Enigma869]

Non-issue...Who cares about either point?

Agreed. Neither is an issue! Where someone grows up has zero correlation to their ability to govern, effectively.

As I've said several times...Obama is not muslim and naming your kids those ridiculous names has nothing to do with anything.

They are pretty dopey names, but there are many parents, these days, who give their children jackass names! As for the "maverick" thing...it's becoming fucking nauseating. McCain calling himself a "maverick" (and he's the only one calling himself that dopey monniker) is as moronic as the Dallas Cowboys calling themselves "America's Team"! Giving a nickname to yourself is like throwing your own birthday party!

I'm comfortable with Palin's experience and that Obama's experience doesn't do much for me. In my opinion, Obama has no leg up on Palin as far as experience goes and vice versa.

This, my friend, is a contradiction! You say neither has a leg up on the other, and then in the same thought say that you're comfortable with Palin's experience but Obama's experience "doesn't do much for me"! The fact of the matter is that neither Palin, nor Obama has very much experience!


John from Boston

[conversationpc]

This, my friend, is a contradiction! You say neither has a leg up on the other, and then in the same thought say that you're comfortable with Palin's experience but Obama's experience "doesn't do much for me"! The fact of the matter is that neither Palin, nor Obama has very much experience!

No, it's not contradictory. Being a community organizer as opposed to a mayor or governor doesn't impress me as much. In my opinion, Obama used his community organizing experience as nothing but a stepping-stone to more power in the corrupt Chicago political machine, which he participated in rather than reforming. THAT is the reason why his experience "doesn't do much for me".

[donnaplease]

Hmm. Every time I make a valid point, I am called stupid, ignorant, or feeble-minded.

I am just sick and tired of the one-sided bullshit from the Republican party.

So you do the same thing in return? You're only doing the same thing and Democrats in general do it as well. Both sides pull the same BS. If ANYONE on this board, or this country in general, thinks one side has cornered the market on the "one-sided bullshit", they are kidding themselves.

THIS I definitely agree with. All the BS is what ruins the excitement of the election process for me. It's hard to know what to believe, and who to trust, because you have to dig through all the crap to get to the substance. I think it is on BOTH sides. However, what bothers me personally is that the republican side will call out the democratic side, saying "that is false" or "that is a lie", while the liberal or democratic side will do the same but say "you are a liar". There is a personal affront there that offends me. I think the worst example is when folks call George W. Bush a "murderer" because of the war casualties. It's simply not true, and anyone who says otherwise is a liar!

The funny thing about it is that I see the same type of behaviors here by people discussing politics in general and the election specifically.

[treetopovskaya]

what i find really funny is how dems are saying the republicans are being mean. THAT is a joke right?

mccain & his camp just need to stay on their game... i am disappointed that they stooped to joemama's (not nice i know but i saw it on a shirt yest & it made me laugh... tehehee) level... let them lie & smear... people who are smart & aren't sheep can & will see through the bs. i don't really blame obama as much as i blame the media... but yeah... they are being down right nasty. turns me way off.

i used to be a dem... what has happened to that party? most of the people i work with are dems & most days i just want to bitch slap each & every one of them. they are mean... gossipy jackasses. i thought this was the party that was open minded... to me that seems very very far from the case. the way they get & gather info scares the shit out of me. they are too easy to believe what they read or hear. one person tells them something & they file it under FACT. they don't stop to take the time to find out if things said are true... they don't do their own research. it shouldn't surprise me really because these are the same people who read tabloids & gossip over lunch about stupid crap. what celeb's in re-hab... blah blah blah... WHO CARES? i don't... i have my own shit to worry about. i don't walk in that person's shoes... it's not my place to judge.

as far as mccain being another bush. wtf? have people been listening to him? i have heard in his speeches jabs at gwb... maybe not clear jabs but from listening you can tell he's not too happy with the bush administration. jon mccain is one liberal republican. }:C)

[treetopovskaya]

btw... who is joe?

HAHA!

[donnaplease]

I received this in an email today...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG4fe9GlWS8

Wow. Just wow.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I received this in an email today...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG4fe9GlWS8

Wow. Just wow.

Empty-headed jingoism.
The Iraq War is a mistake.
No amount of spilt blood changes that.

[RossValoryRocks]

I received this in an email today...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG4fe9GlWS8

Wow. Just wow.

Empty-headed jingoism.
The Iraq War is a mistake, no amount of spilt blood changes that.

Wait a minute...you are putting down a member of the military who actually went there and fought for this country? Because his views are opposite of yours it is "empty-headed jingoism"?

[The_Noble_Cause]

Wait a minute...you are putting down a member of the military who actually went there and fought for this country? Because his views are opposite of yours it is "empty-headed jingoism"?

The views expressed in this video link are empty headed jingoism.
His service does little to elevate his rhetoric beyond the oversimplifications already offered by Bush and his AM radio acolytes.

[Lula]

Take the Barack Obama Test

See if you agree or disagree with Obamas positions. Takes 5 minutes with 51 questions.

Be honest with your answers.

http://www.barackobamatest.com/

i agree with obama 71% on the questions posed. what a funny little quiz.... very much worded in that 'right-wing' verbage

the times they are a changin'. i welcome an obama admin

[RossValoryRocks]

Take the Barack Obama Test

See if you agree or disagree with Obamas positions. Takes 5 minutes with 51 questions.

Be honest with your answers.

http://www.barackobamatest.com/

i agree with obama 71% on the questions posed. what a funny little quiz.... very much worded in that 'right-wing' verbage

the times they are a changin'. i welcome an obama admin

Well gonna have to wait to maybe 2012 or 2016 for it...by then maybe he will have enough experience to be President!

[Lula]

are we back on the experience thing?

i'm basically comfortable with barack's resume as a testimony to his experience. what i'm not comfortable with is mccain and even more uncomfortable with the thought of palin in the oval office. both of them want to overturn roe v wade and the next prez will be in position to appoint judges to make that happen. i'm in no way a proponent of abortion, but i am a huge proponent of a woman's right to choose. obama's position on public education and higher education fit me well. i hope the trend of obama's increase over mccain continues (only based on gallop), but i truly do hope that the country is ready to move in a different direction.

[RossValoryRocks]

are we back on the experience thing?

i'm basically comfortable with barack's resume as a testimony to his experience. what i'm not comfortable with is mccain and even more uncomfortable with the thought of palin in the oval office. both of them want to overturn roe v wade and the next prez will be in position to appoint judges to make that happen. i'm in no way a proponent of abortion, but i am a huge proponent of a woman's right to choose. obama's position on public education and higher education fit me well. i hope the trend of obama's increase over mccain continues (only based on gallop), but i truly do hope that the country is ready to move in a different direction.

Yes we are...Obama is not experienced enough to be President, in my opinion. Lula, I would trust YOU to be President over Obama.

Here is something that is scary though: http://news.yahoo.com/page/election-200 ... obama-race

Not voting for McCain or Obama on the basis of their ideal/positions/plans that I don't have any issue with. The mouth-breathers who won't vote for someone on the basis of race or gender make me sick.

[Lula]

i agree with you on the mouth breathers. this seems to be gaining momentum and that is frightening. i had a conversation with my sister about this. what those that take this ridiculous position fail to realize is he had a white mother and was raised by his white grandparents. i hate to say it, but i bet if he had married a white women and had white children this would not be a topic.

trust me, you'd much rather have barack in the oval office than me!

[donnaplease]

are we back on the experience thing?

i'm basically comfortable with barack's resume as a testimony to his experience. what i'm not comfortable with is mccain and even more uncomfortable with the thought of palin in the oval office. both of them want to overturn roe v wade and the next prez will be in position to appoint judges to make that happen. i'm in no way a proponent of abortion, but i am a huge proponent of a woman's right to choose. obama's position on public education and higher education fit me well. i hope the trend of obama's increase over mccain continues (only based on gallop), but i truly do hope that the country is ready to move in a different direction.

Lula, where have you heard/read this? Just curious if that is REALLY their intention, or if that is another generalization (not by you, but by the far left in general) that has been floated out there as fact. My understanding is that although they may be personally opposed to abortion, they do not plan on attempting to overturn Roe v. Wade. IMO it would be hypocritical for the conservatives, who criticize the liberal judges for 'legislating from the bench' to make any such attempt. Besides, wouldn't it take an act of Congress, and not the Supreme Court, to overturn a law?

[donnaplease]

Wait a minute...you are putting down a member of the military who actually went there and fought for this country? Because his views are opposite of yours it is "empty-headed jingoism"?

The views expressed in this video link are empty headed jingoism.
His service does little to elevate his rhetoric beyond the oversimplifications already offered by Bush and his AM radio acolytes.

And yet his service, and that of many more just like him, allows him the freedom to express his opinions, just as it allows you to so eloquently (and sometimes not) express yours. As someone who's obviously been there and seen the conditions, however, I feel he has just a tad bit more to base his comments on. I respect what you say here, TNC, even when I don't agree with it. The insults were unnecessary in this case, though.

[Lula]

mccain's position on roe v wade has changed. he has said in an interview that if he could, yes he would overturn roe. i saw the interview, but can't remember who it was with. it was a few months ago. palin's position is even further right that mccain's.