More Journey talk...

[strangegrey]

That's where IMO I think you're wrong. Obviously Journey is at their best creatively when there is a little friction. Perry stood up to Neal and co and there was some push and pull. I believe Soto could have brought that same creative friction. They want somebody that can cover Perry, no push no pull, and just tour the dirty dozen forever.

Eh, that's hard to prove.

I see what you mean, but for all you know, the good parts of frontiers and escape...ok...all of escape...was recorded when the band was in a happy place...

If you want to point to an album where there was some tension between band members....look no further than RoR. Don't ask me what I think of that one...

[Rhiannon]

Herbie can roll?

Herbie is a roll. And what do rolls do when they move? They roll.

[bluejeangirl76]

5 weeks to redo songs that should have never been touched!

it makes me want to cry tiny beak-shaped tears.

Are they fucking high!?!!?

Clearly they are, yes.

Jesus...I'm fucking without words...

I am too. Moving on with (yet another) new singer, recording new material - that is one thing.
But to stomp all over something that was perfect to start with, something that people have loved for years and still do - WHY?
They're making themselves look like assholes.

Greatest Hits, at the last RIAA certification, had gone 14x platinum and is on the Diamond Award list.
It holds those numbers for a REASON and that reason is those songs were stellar the way they were orinially laid down.

WHY ARE THEY FUCKING WITH THAT?!

[Journey69]

Maybe they will release new music mixed with old..Like a 14 or 15 song album.. Lets not get our panties in a bunch before anything actually happens..These guys aren't stupid,musically anyhow.. Think about this also.. What if they are re releasing some old songs with Arnel to warm us up to his style and to show us he is actually pretty good.. Then they release a new album.. Just a thought..

[Lula]

Um, the new album IS the re recording of the classics, I believe. Of course it is ready to go soon, they better know their own music! They could've recorded the classics with JSS in a weekend.

Do you think so? I read Andrew's post to mean the next Journey album is ready to go AND they're re-recording the classics. Maybe he can clarify...

1 album ready only. An album of re-recorded greatest hits. No new material ready at this point in time. That's what I hear from 2 different sources.

Why?? I just don't get this. There is no one upping Perry's vocals. The whole thing is ridiculous, add to this fiasco the last few and Neal and Jon have destroyed the legacy. I'm so sorry Mr. Perry, we know what you gave us. How sad, what was once great is now a joke.

[The Sushi Hunter]

So why then didn't Journey go with Jeremey? He seemed to sing quite well from that clip of both JH and JSS together that was posted. Plus I would say that Jeremey blends into the Journey band look a bit more then Arnel does. So what gives?

[conversationpc]

So why then didn't Journey go with Jeremey? He seemed to sing quite well from that clip of both JH and JSS together that was posted. Plus I would say that Jeremey blends into the Journey band look a bit more then Arnel does. So what gives?

Jeremey ended up turning them down because of family issues.

[JH'sTXfan]

it makes me want to cry tiny beak-shaped tears.

Great way to put it.

[belar]

Um, the new album IS the re recording of the classics, I believe. Of course it is ready to go soon, they better know their own music! They could've recorded the classics with JSS in a weekend.

Do you think so? I read Andrew's post to mean the next Journey album is ready to go AND they're re-recording the classics. Maybe he can clarify...

1 album ready only. An album of re-recorded greatest hits. No new material ready at this point in time. That's what I hear from 2 different sources.

WTF are they thinking???

[Deb]

That's where IMO I think you're wrong. Obviously Journey is at their best creatively when there is a little friction. Perry stood up to Neal and co and there was some push and pull. I believe Soto could have brought that same creative friction. They want somebody that can cover Perry, no push no pull, and just tour the dirty dozen forever.

Eh, that's hard to prove.

I see what you mean, but for all you know, the good parts of frontiers and escape...ok...all of escape...was recorded when the band was in a happy place.

I was talking more about the song writing process than the recording. I have a feeling Perry pushed on a lot of things. Soto doesn't seem the type to lie down either. I guess we'll just have to wait and see (well those who care, anyways) how much input Arnel is allowed to have.

If you want to point to an album where there was some tension between band members....look no further than RoR. Don't ask me what I think of that one...

Proves my point. Love ROR!

[Journey69]

The only way I'd be interested is if it was a re-recording of non-hits.

If they re-record The Dirty Dozen it'd be shameful and disgusting..

If they re-record, however, songs like "La Raza Del Sol," "Troubled Child," "Sweet and Simple," "Winds of March," "Precious Time," etc...

...I'd be a LITTLE interested.


EDIT----

So, it IS the greatest hits. That's a load of some bullshit.

OMG Don't touch those songs either.. I'd cry!!

[AR]

So why then didn't Journey go with Jeremey? He seemed to sing quite well from that clip of both JH and JSS together that was posted. Plus I would say that Jeremey blends into the Journey band look a bit more then Arnel does. So what gives?

Good question.

#1, JSS was perfect for them. Tremendous vocalist. Castronovo was capable of the "legacy sound" on Fago's ballads. (Oops Friga)

[fightingilliniJRNY]

Um, the new album IS the re recording of the classics, I believe. Of course it is ready to go soon, they better know their own music! They could've recorded the classics with JSS in a weekend.

Do you think so? I read Andrew's post to mean the next Journey album is ready to go AND they're re-recording the classics. Maybe he can clarify...

1 album ready only. An album of re-recorded greatest hits. No new material ready at this point in time. That's what I hear from 2 different sources.

Thanks for clarifying, Andrew. All I can do at this point is echo the sentiments of the posters in this thread. Who decided that this would be a good idea? This decision blows my mind.

[StyxCollector]

Well, I'm not surprised. If you think about it, on one level, it makes sense ... on another, it'll alienate most of the die hards who are left (clearly .. because this board ain't about the casual fan). It's hard to erase the memories of Steve Perry, but if you can re-record with the "new" voice, who's going to remember if it sounds about the same and people can buy it for $10 - $15 at a concert?

At this point it is all about cashola and "good enough" for the casual fan. Period. This says to me Generations was their last gasp to try to be a forward-thinking band.

It's one thing to replace a singer. Now, to me if they released this as a live album, it'd be one thing. That is more of a statement to say, "here's where we are now" without ruining what was. However, to do it in the studio? That's a big WTF. It's all downhill from here with no brakes.

If Perry's agreement with the band has run out as all signs point to, there's not much he can do and SP will most likely not say much because he realizes - much like DDY has - trashing Journey is trashing his own legacy as painful as it will most likely be to him if they do this.

Oh, and I, too, can picture this showing up at Wally World for like $11.88 with a bonus DVD or something like that. REO had a similar thing but that was for new material (like the Eagles).

Let's face it - the bands we grew up loving are not what they once were. Doesn't mean we can't like them or like what was, we just have to accept what is. I think THAT is the real issue here - people remember how things were.

[StoneCold]

As was theorized a few weeks ago. This has to be one of those Walmart / Best Buy promotion deals.

No pics of AP anywhere. Scarab front and back.

Tour to follow.

They'll make money regardless.

[bluejeangirl76]

it makes me want to cry tiny beak-shaped tears.

Great way to put it.

Great. I'll make it my sig. It's still true though.

[fightingilliniJRNY]

Oh, and I, too, can picture this showing up at Wally World for like $11.88 with a bonus DVD or something like that. REO had a similar thing but that was for new material (like the Eagles).

That's how I see it too - except replace that new album I thought would be the second disc with some other random stuff.

Let's face it - the bands we grew up loving are not what they once were. Doesn't mean we can't like them or like what was, we just have to accept what is. I think THAT is the real issue here - people remember how things were.

Sad, but true. Things change. Music is no exception.

[ohsherrie]

They're really going to do this and try to support it!!

Are they fucking high!?!!?

Frank,

Picture this really short guy with a Napoleonic complex who finally wanted to be able to call the world HIS. The world being Journey and the songs that have always been identified with Steve Perry rather than Neal Schon(for whom the band was created ).

He's a little man with a little mind. He doesn't care about the legacy of Journey unless he can find some way to stamp his name on it above Perry's. Why he doesn't understand that that's not possible? I have no idea. It would be sad if it wasn't so disgusting.

Sherrie

[JH'sTXfan]

it makes me want to cry tiny beak-shaped tears.

Great way to put it.

Great. I'll make it my sig. It's still true though.

I completely agree with you.

[scarygirl]

So let me get this straight,is there a new album and a re recorded one? Or the new album is the re recorded one?

we lose either way..

Yeah, no new Perry material....

[knox]

We'll always have '81

[Just Mindy]

I was wondering who the hell would buy this but then I'm thinking maybe they'll give it away like they've done in the past, on their next tour.

[Perrydise]

I'm envisioning a two-CD package: the new album and re-recorded classics. Packaged together and sold for $11.88 at Wal-Mart, ala The Eagles. Except instead of 700,000+ copies in the first week, Journey should hope for 7,000.

At this point for them to sell 7,000 units they would have to get that damned smiley face to cut the price down to $4.88


Andrew, Dean, AR, Lula, SJ I know someone will be able to answer my question. This 9 yr agreement gave SP some control over the music, but doesnt he have a life long control over the songs that he contributed to as in writing?

This just makes me sick.

[Red13JoePa]

So putting 2 and 2 together and getting 5 Shirley produced it... .

That being the case, I'm betting against them having done it on the cheap, hell Neal even said said they dumped a virtual mint into cutting Generations so the WalMart 5.99 cheapo route doesn't seem likely.

Is there real label interest in the recutting the hits?

[Jeremey]

A little more information from my experience, since this appears to be breaking news and not really that confidential at this point.

Wal Mart approached Journey to rerecord the greatest hits so they could sell a Journey record without having to pay Sony it's pound of flesh. It wasn't to "one up" Perry or to introduce a new singer or anything, just a business opportunity that couldn't be passed up.

Now, my initial thought was that they could redo classics with a different take on them. Acoustic versions, new arrangements, a few mashups or something. It was clear after a little while that this would be a no-brainer, easy money deal. Why bust balls trying to make something new and interesting when truly the songs could be recorded over the course of a week, mixed, edited, and mastered in less than 3 or 4 weeks.

This was to bring Journey some much-needed cash flow during an off year, and a portion of which would be used to "retain" the new singer until the new tour began. Keep in mind, the new singer wouldn't be even a half partner in the band, just a salaried employee who would produce the vocals for this record and be paid essentially the same as a guy who loaded Neal's road cases into the studio. In one respect, that's understandable, the new singer of course had no stake in the creation of the material...In another respect, the record couldn't be made without a Perry soundalike, as there was a very specific reason to rerecord the classics...See above. No one is going into WalMart to buy what they think is a Journey record and find out that the singer sounds like Barry White (RIP).

So all in all, some interesting points to ponder.

[E5C4P3ING]

The only re-recording I'd be interested in hearing would be the post-Escape stuff recorded with Jason Kelty. Kelty belting out ROR stuff would be like a younger Perry version. Anything else is just pathetic with JSS, or Arnel.

The re-recording I'd like to hear would be Steve Perry re-doing the classics with his "matured" pipes.

[AR]

A little more information from my experience, since this appears to be breaking news and not really that confidential at this point.

Wal Mart approached Journey to rerecord the greatest hits so they could sell a Journey record without having to pay Sony it's pound of flesh. It wasn't to "one up" Perry or to introduce a new singer or anything, just a business opportunity that couldn't be passed up.

Now, my initial thought was that they could redo classics with a different take on them. Acoustic versions, new arrangements, a few mashups or something. It was clear after a little while that this would be a no-brainer, easy money deal. Why bust balls trying to make something new and interesting when truly the songs could be recorded over the course of a week, mixed, edited, and mastered in less than 3 or 4 weeks.

This was to bring Journey some much-needed cash flow during an off year, and a portion of which would be used to "retain" the new singer until the new tour began. Keep in mind, the new singer wouldn't be even a half partner in the band, just a salaried employee who would produce the vocals for this record and be paid essentially the same as a guy who loaded Neal's road cases into the studio. In one respect, that's understandable, the new singer of course had no stake in the creation of the material...In another respect, the record couldn't be made without a Perry soundalike, as there was a very specific reason to rerecord the classics...See above. No one is going into WalMart to buy what they think is a Journey record and find out that the singer sounds like Barry White (RIP).

So all in all, some interesting points to ponder.

Thanks for clearing that up J. Much appreciated.

[TRAGChick]

Thank God for DVDs....and YouTube.

[ohsherrie]

Yet another reason to hate what Neil has done to Journey.

[larryfromnextdoor]

Keep in mind, the new singer wouldn't be even a half partner in the band, just a salaried employee who would produce the vocals for this record and be paid essentially the same as a guy who loaded Neal's road cases into the studio.

what do you reckon that guy makes...