Losing faith in Arnel's abilities.

[finalfight]

Yeah, but damn, Prince is one HELL of a performer.

An absolute musical phenom.

[SteveForever]

[quote="brywool
You're letting your Perrypassion blind you. It would be bait and switch if it said 'original recordings' all over the album. I don't think it does and the band is being VERY vocal about that they are re-recorded hits. They're not trying to hide it.
Perry didn't make those songs famous- JOURNEY did. Perry made Oh Sherrie famous. If Journey recorded that, then you'd have a point. Take comfort in the fact that when this album does sell, once again, Perry will get a cut.[/quote]

Dillusional....Steve Perry and Neal Schon together made magic, they are the two that need to reunite,
everyone else is just gravy. re-recorded implies "made better", dude, its not better.

[finalfight]

Based on the samples it certainly isn't any worse either. Time will tell I guess.

[youkeepmewaiting]

[quote="brywool
You're letting your Perrypassion blind you. It would be bait and switch if it said 'original recordings' all over the album. I don't think it does and the band is being VERY vocal about that they are re-recorded hits. They're not trying to hide it.
Perry didn't make those songs famous- JOURNEY did. Perry made Oh Sherrie famous. If Journey recorded that, then you'd have a point. Take comfort in the fact that when this album does sell, once again, Perry will get a cut.

Dillusional....Steve Perry and Neal Schon together made magic, they are the two that need to reunite,
everyone else is just gravy. re-recorded implies "made better", dude, its not better.[/quote]


and no one is saying it is!

[Greg]

Perry didn't make those songs famous- JOURNEY did.

Journey WITH Steve Perry made those songs famous. Without Perry, you really think Journey would've been the success they were?

[conversationpc]

Perry didn't make those songs famous- JOURNEY did.

Journey WITH Steve Perry made those songs famous. Without Perry, you really think Journey would've been the success they were?

That argument could easily go the other way also. Do you think Steve Perry would've been so successful had he never been in Journey? Don't think so.

[brywool]

[quote="brywool
You're letting your Perrypassion blind you. It would be bait and switch if it said 'original recordings' all over the album. I don't think it does and the band is being VERY vocal about that they are re-recorded hits. They're not trying to hide it.
Perry didn't make those songs famous- JOURNEY did. Perry made Oh Sherrie famous. If Journey recorded that, then you'd have a point. Take comfort in the fact that when this album does sell, once again, Perry will get a cut.

[quote="somebody_said"]Dillusional....Steve Perry and Neal Schon together made magic, they are the two that need to reunite,
everyone else is just gravy. re-recorded implies "made better", dude, its not better.[/quote]

yeah, Rollie, Cain, Smith, Valory, Castronovo, Dunbar... all unnecessary
Time to Wake Up from the Perry wet dream there... here's a sock...

Re-recorded implies the songs were 'RE RECORDED'. It implies nothing better or worse. It didn't say "new and improved with 8 essential vitamins and iron", it said re-recorded.

I guess they could've had Perry REMASTER the catalog AGAIN and charge the fans for that and that would've made ya happy? ugh...

[brywool]

Perry didn't make those songs famous- JOURNEY did.

Journey WITH Steve Perry made those songs famous. Without Perry, you really think Journey would've been the success they were?

No I don't, but I don't think that STEVE PERRY is Journey. He wasn't.

[Ehwmatt]

Perry didn't make those songs famous- JOURNEY did.

Journey WITH Steve Perry made those songs famous. Without Perry, you really think Journey would've been the success they were?

No I don't, but I don't think that STEVE PERRY is Journey. He wasn't.

I just don't get people that use success as the measuring stick for bands around here... Perry is who made Journey famous... without Jamison Survivor wouldn't have sold albums... Dennis made Styx famous etc etc.... while I love all the aforementioned performers, fame is about the dead last criterion I measure my like of a band by... in fact, I don't use it at all. Sure, maybe none of us would be here if they weren't "famous," but the fame is a byproduct, not a criterion for being good. If being famous is part of being a good or viable act, then here's a short list of contemporary legendary artists:

Usher
Britney Spears
Jay-Z
Nickelback
Fergie
Jessica Simpson

[EightyRock]

classicstyxfan wrote: "he's probably the most over-analyzed singer in the history of Rock, and that's just in his 1st few months...."

No, that would have been Augeri.
Arnel isn't some new kid singing Journey songs for the first time in his life. He's been singing and touring with his band for years. Whatever chops he's got at 40, whether it's vocals or stage presence, is what Journey has aquired.....period. It's not like he's an American Idol contestant with little to no experience and has been thrust from obscurity to fronting Journey. If he ain't got "it" now, at 40, he ain't gonna have it after a year or so with Journey. What you see is what you can expect.

Look at Augeri. Everybody said the same thing about him...he'll get better....he'll come into his own. He's rusty and hasn't been singing or performing since he got his Gap job. He did get a little better, but then he totally imploded.

If Arnel isn't a charismatic frontman NOW and does not control his voice better NOW, this scenerio with Journey won't be any better than the Augeri disaster.

I'm not lookin' forward to TAPEGAPE, PART DOUX.

[jrnyman28]

re-recorded implies "made better", dude, its not better.

Re-recorded only means recorded again. That is acurate. It is YOU that attaches the 'made better' implication...

[jrnyman28]

Look at Augeri. Everybody said the same thing about him...he'll get better....he'll come into his own. He's rusty and hasn't been singing or performing since he got his Gap job. He did get a little better, but then he totally imploded.

Steve improved greatly from 1998 to 2004. If the band had taken some time off after the Under The Radar Tour Steve might still be in good shape. But that 2004 show I went to was the Augeri-era at it's zenith. The best show I've seen!

I'm not lookin' forward to TAPEGAPE, PART DOUX.

DEUX (Just trying to help)

[brywool]

Perry didn't make those songs famous- JOURNEY did.

Journey WITH Steve Perry made those songs famous. Without Perry, you really think Journey would've been the success they were?

No I don't, but I don't think that STEVE PERRY is Journey. He wasn't.

I just don't get people that use success as the measuring stick for bands around here... Perry is who made Journey famous... without Jamison Survivor wouldn't have sold albums... Dennis made Styx famous etc etc.... while I love all the aforementioned performers, fame is about the dead last criterion I measure my like of a band by... in fact, I don't use it at all. Sure, maybe none of us would be here if they weren't "famous," but the fame is a byproduct, not a criterion for being good. If being famous is part of being a good or viable act, then here's a short list of contemporary legendary artists:

Usher
Britney Spears
Jay-Z
Nickelback
Fergie
Jessica Simpson

Dennis didn't make Styx. Dennis made Mr. Roboto and lost me as a fan for years.

[Ehwmatt]

Dennis didn't make Styx. Dennis made Mr. Roboto and lost me as a fan for years.

Haha, I just saw Dennis last Saturday and he put on a hell of a great show... his band is awesome and his voice is as good as ever, but even I couldn't help cringing the whole time that song was performed.

[brywool]

Dennis didn't make Styx. Dennis made Mr. Roboto and lost me as a fan for years.

Haha, I just saw Dennis last Saturday and he put on a hell of a great show... his band is awesome and his voice is as good as ever, but even I couldn't help cringing the whole time that song was performed.

Great singer, but Mr. Roboto and First Time were embarrassing songs. I can't stand to watch him perform it these days. Looks ridiculous. Still, a helluva singer and usually a good songwriter.

[Rick]

I will never be 23 (or even 43) again.

Old bastard.

[EightyRock]

Steve improved greatly from 1998 to 2004. If the band had taken some time off after the Under The Radar Tour Steve might still be in good shape. But that 2004 show I went to was the Augeri-era at it's zenith. The best show I've seen!

Agreed. Dude needed a break....or several.

I'm not lookin' forward to TAPEGAPE, PART DOUX.

DEUX (Just trying to help)

Yeah, thanks. (My middle finger hit the wrong side of the keyboard)

[DracIsBack]

I've just recently begun getting into Prince. Dude's insanely talented. He records most of his own instruments right? AND he has like fifty albums... very prolific.

Yeah - he plays something like 27 instruments. I wanted not to like him, but I caught him when we were living in Minneapolis and all I can say is "wow - that is one hell of a performer".

[corncob]

After hearing every damn thing that I can find on youtube and other places I feel like Arnel may have bitten off more than he can chew... I am hoping it is only nerves but we wont really know until they hit the road for a bit.

For some reason I cant not imagine his voice being able to handle songs like Where were you, Escape, Line of fire etc when I hear him struggle with being on key in his upper range. Maybe I am jumping the gun a bit.

I have never heard Augeri or Jss's first shows with the band and we all know this is the hardest shit on earth for a man to sing... Seems to be they were in a hurry to get something out and they lucked in to Arnel. I am just concerned that Arnel's voice is going to crap out fast. I dont know why but I feel like I an just tell from the way he is singing which for the most part is very good but man it seems like he is really pushing and lacks that strong head voice that allowed Perry to sing the high notes using way less air.

Maybe he will improve.. Maybe he will implode... Maybe he will turn in to a umpa lumpa and run away to fairy land....

I started out HATING the idea of a new singer, heard Arnel, started enjoying his voice, heard Arnel with Journey, fell in love with his voice.

No singer will ever be 100% at every gig. Sometimes the flaws show us the humanity of it all especially on songs as hard as the Journey catalog.

His stage presence is fine. If he were just standing there people would bitch about that too.

Id rather watch him stand there and sing then alkwardlly jumping around like he did,

dude, it's time for you to be Journey's frontman.....

[SteveForever]

re-recorded implies "made better", dude, its not better.

Re-recorded only means recorded again. That is acurate. It is YOU that attaches the 'made better' implication...

uh huh, right, everyone is advertising remastered re-digitized and re-recorded, the impression is that its better,
marketing is foolery.

[brywool]

re-recorded implies "made better", dude, its not better.

Re-recorded only means recorded again. That is acurate. It is YOU that attaches the 'made better' implication...

uh huh, right, everyone is advertising remastered re-digitized and re-recorded, the impression is that its better,
marketing is foolery.

remastered, re-digitized is different than re-recorded.
Maybe consumers should learn to read, or at best, understand what they are reading before making a purchase...?

[brywool]

I will never be 23 (or even 43) again.

Old bastard.

F' off!

[SteveForever]

[quote="brywool
You're letting your Perrypassion blind you. It would be bait and switch if it said 'original recordings' all over the album. I don't think it does and the band is being VERY vocal about that they are re-recorded hits. They're not trying to hide it.
Perry didn't make those songs famous- JOURNEY did. Perry made Oh Sherrie famous. If Journey recorded that, then you'd have a point. Take comfort in the fact that when this album does sell, once again, Perry will get a cut.

[quote="somebody_said"]Dillusional....Steve Perry and Neal Schon together made magic, they are the two that need to reunite,
everyone else is just gravy. re-recorded implies "made better", dude, its not better.

yeah, Rollie, Cain, Smith, Valory, Castronovo, Dunbar... all unnecessary
Time to Wake Up from the Perry wet dream there... here's a sock...

Re-recorded implies the songs were 'RE RECORDED'. It implies nothing better or worse. It didn't say "new and improved with 8 essential vitamins and iron", it said re-recorded.

I guess they could've had Perry REMASTER the catalog AGAIN and charge the fans for that and that would've made ya happy? ugh...[/quote]

You can dress it up any which way but deep down most agree with me, the classics should stay intact and left alone.
If they want to do new music together, so be it, hell I even have tickets to see their show, again.

Some people don't have the sentimental attachment
to these songs which is obvious, but for those of us that remain loyal =its a deep bond that can't be broken-something you simply can't understand
and that's fine for you, no worries. I will never understand though why they couldn't reunite the band that was the best together while they are all
healthy and relatively still young.

[brywool]

[quote="brywool
You're letting your Perrypassion blind you. It would be bait and switch if it said 'original recordings' all over the album. I don't think it does and the band is being VERY vocal about that they are re-recorded hits. They're not trying to hide it.
Perry didn't make those songs famous- JOURNEY did. Perry made Oh Sherrie famous. If Journey recorded that, then you'd have a point. Take comfort in the fact that when this album does sell, once again, Perry will get a cut.

[quote="somebody_said"]Dillusional....Steve Perry and Neal Schon together made magic, they are the two that need to reunite,
everyone else is just gravy. re-recorded implies "made better", dude, its not better.

yeah, Rollie, Cain, Smith, Valory, Castronovo, Dunbar... all unnecessary
Time to Wake Up from the Perry wet dream there... here's a sock...

Re-recorded implies the songs were 'RE RECORDED'. It implies nothing better or worse. It didn't say "new and improved with 8 essential vitamins and iron", it said re-recorded.

I guess they could've had Perry REMASTER the catalog AGAIN and charge the fans for that and that would've made ya happy? ugh...

You can dress it up any which way but deep down most agree with me, the classics should stay intact and left alone.
If they want to do new music together, so be it, hell I even have tickets to see their show, again.

Some people don't have the sentimental attachment
to these songs which is obvious, but for those of us that remain loyal =its a deep bond that can't be broken-something you simply can't understand
and that's fine for you, no worries. I will never understand though why they couldn't reunite the band that was the best together while they are all
healthy and relatively still young.[/quote]


Because Perry couldn't do it. They did exactly this for Trial by Fire and Perry left them hanging in limbo.

[texafana]

...Granted, Arnel is a great lead singer, but he will never be a great frontman. Sadly, Journey needs both.

wtf? At this stage in their career, a good frontman????? Puhlease... vocals are by far more important than any stage antic. Especially in the twilight of their career. Most Journey fans are 40+, do we really need to see someone jumpin around, posing on stage? Nah...give me the lush vocal line, stage presence will come naturally..he just needs to keep singing his ass off.

After hearing every damn thing that I can find on youtube and other places I feel like Arnel may have bitten off more than he can chew... I am hoping it is only nerves but we wont really know until they hit the road for a bit.

For some reason I cant not imagine his voice being able to handle songs like Where were you, Escape, Line of fire etc when I hear him struggle with being on key in his upper range. Maybe I am jumping the gun a bit.

I have never heard Augeri or Jss's first shows with the band and we all know this is the hardest shit on earth for a man to sing... Seems to be they were in a hurry to get something out and they lucked in to Arnel. I am just concerned that Arnel's voice is going to crap out fast. I dont know why but I feel like I an just tell from the way he is singing which for the most part is very good but man it seems like he is really pushing and lacks that strong head voice that allowed Perry to sing the high notes using way less air.

Maybe he will improve.. Maybe he will implode... Maybe he will turn in to a umpa lumpa and run away to fairy land....

I doubt they will perform some of those songs, all the time at least. While Arnel has a tenor range, I wouldn't by any means say he's a high tenor. On Ellen when he was singing Sep Ways, some of the tranistion from chest to head voice was really smooth, this is what Perry could do, I'm sure now that Arnel is singing only Journey material, this will only improve with time.

We need to keep in mind, this is not a Journey band in their youth. (Arnel is 40+) We can't compare them to Journey or Perry in his 20's. Perry today would have to tune down a step or 3 to sing alot of these tunes as evidence on some of the tunes on his last tour.

Arnel's been singing for years, his "Journey" voice is going to sound better as he becomes more comfortable with the material. Arnel for me at least, at times is totally amazing, and at other times there is obvious diction, pitch problems, but man....this is just barely out of the starting gate.

[The_Noble_Cause]

wtf? At this stage in their career, a good frontman????? Puhlease... vocals are by far more important than any stage antic.

Might want to tell that to Neal, who apparently passed on a singer due to his superficial appearance, despite being more than impressed with his voice.

http://forums.melodicrock.com/phorum33/ ... 1&t=266100


"That's correct Andrew. I do have video footage and audio of who is known in Vegas as Journey Geoff. Neal was absolutely blown away with Geoff. Unfortunately , Geoff didn't have the right look and was a little green when it came to the big stage , hence , Neal shying away from hiring him. He auditioned for the band and I'll never forget Neal's words:

'Man , when I close my eyes Geoff sounds like Perry in his prime....maybe better , but when I open them I just can't see this guy fronting Journey.'"

[stevew2]

Look at Augeri. Everybody said the same thing about him...he'll get better....he'll come into his own. He's rusty and hasn't been singing or performing since he got his Gap job. He did get a little better, but then he totally imploded.

Steve improved greatly from 1998 to 2004. If the band had taken some time off after the Under The Radar Tour Steve might still be in good shape. But that 2004 show I went to was the Augeri-era at it's zenith. The best show I've seen!

I'm not lookin' forward to TAPEGAPE, PART DOUX.

DEUX (Just trying to help)

You are right,reallyIf they would have tooken a break right after 2003, Augeri might still have had a voice. But you know how it went, The train must plow on .The shows i saw him on on 2003 and part2004 were the best.The crowd loved him and Journey

[Calbear94]

...Now, Steve, get the master tapes from Arrival, Remember Me, and Generations. SLOW THE TRACKS DOWN so that they will fit your current vocal range and re-record the lead vocal tracks, presto, another reformed Journey album.

I'd like to see Arnel be given a chance to sing Remember Me and a couple of songs off Arrival.

[Fire99]

I've taken quite an interest in Journey recently, looking at footage from the various frontmen etc...

I have to say Arnel has a fantastic voice and thought i admit he did sound a touch strained early on when they appeared on the TV show, i wouldnt hold that against him..

BUT i still have issues with his stage persona. If i look at Steve Perry in the 80's singng songs like 'Mother,Father' he really just has 'IT'.
Arnel still looks like a young bloke with an ace voice who has won some TV show to perform with Journey...

I hate to use the phrase but over here in the UK we have a TV show called the 'X Factor' and though i cringe at using these words but Steve Perry had the 'X Factor' in droves.. To a lesser degree Steve Augeri did too. Arnel just doesnt have it for me.

[The Sushi Hunter]

After hearing every damn thing that I can find on youtube and other places I feel like Arnel may have bitten off more than he can chew... I am hoping it is only nerves but we wont really know until they hit the road for a bit.

For some reason I cant not imagine his voice being able to handle songs like Where were you, Escape, Line of fire etc when I hear him struggle with being on key in his upper range. Maybe I am jumping the gun a bit.

I have never heard Augeri or Jss's first shows with the band and we all know this is the hardest shit on earth for a man to sing... Seems to be they were in a hurry to get something out and they lucked in to Arnel. I am just concerned that Arnel's voice is going to crap out fast. I dont know why but I feel like I an just tell from the way he is singing which for the most part is very good but man it seems like he is really pushing and lacks that strong head voice that allowed Perry to sing the high notes using way less air.

Maybe he will improve.. Maybe he will implode... Maybe he will turn in to a umpa lumpa and run away to fairy land....

Yeah, I can understand where your coming from with the songs being the hardest shit on earth for a man to sing. Why did Journey compose songs anyways at such a high range? As for Arnel singing them, I would not want to be in his shoes because its one hell of a job to do these songs. It wouldnt be something I would be looking forward to singing in front of a packed concert. One slip up would mean ending up in deep shit. But Arnel knows what to do and what not to do. Uly made me go through the same proceedures before, during and after the show in regards to taking care of the vocal cords. I pray that Arnel will keep up the awesome work.