It's gotta be killing "The Voice".

[Tito]

And to be perfectly honest - if I had been with a bunch of guys who for years talked about how we were like family, then dumped on me and ditched me because I wasn't healthy enough to tour, who put one record and one tour before my health, and then finally dumped me AND kept rubbing salt in the wounds by implying that it was just my work ethic that was not 100 percent... well, I'd be a little bitter too. I mean, that's how I see it - if they really were like family, if they really did care for him like a brother (and brothers don't always like each other) then it would have been 'screw the tour, there's always another record, another tour, just do what you've gotta do to get better'. And they didn't. Doesn't make what he did right, doesn't make what they did wrong, but on a personal level, that's got to be hard to forgive.

Perry never planned on touring. They would have still been waiting for him to tour. The only reason he came back was to "deep six" the Chalfant/Rolie incarnation, fire Herbie, and dismantle Journey once and for all. Just like Herbie said...he couldn't continue so he wanted to make sure no one else did.

That's pure speculation, with no proof to back it up. Herbie says he was going to always going to pull, Perry says he planned to tour but got hurt; no one - no one - except Perry knows the truth of it. You're entitled to your opinion, but at least have the honesty to say it's an opinion and stop presenting it as an established fact.

No proof!!!!!!!! The motherfucker hasn't toured in 14 fuckin' years. And before that it was 7 years. 1 fuckin' tour in 21 years. What the fuck else do you want. He hasn't even released any new material since TBF. The guy quit.

[Saint John]

And given what happened, and that he probably didn't like it one little bit, the fact that he has always publically refused to dish on them shows a lot of class.

He couldn't if he wanted to. He had everyone sign a gag order and they can't say anything bad about each other. I'm sure this was to cover his own ass and keep us from finding out what a real prick he really was and just how much he held the band hostage after he took control of the band while Neal was asleep at the switch (I just think he trusted the guy too much...big mistake). Unless of course you believe that he had everyone sign the gag order to protect Neal and Jon's image.

[Tito]

I've been to over 30 post-Perry shows and I'd say 80% of the people know he's gone.

Right...and I'm sure you've talked to 80% fo the people at the 30 "post-Perry" shows that you've attended!

It's music Journey made famous

Perry's voice made the music, period end of story! As I've said to you before, go listen to Cain vocals on his solo album and then get back to me if "Journey" would have made that music famous with Cain on vocals! If you can actually listen to Cain's version of "Faithfully" without hitting the stop button, I'll be impressed!

They're coming off a remarkably successful tour and a Platinum album package. I'd call that relevant.

Get back to me when they're not touring with other 80's super groups. I know you have an endless hardon for Journey and will be on this board telling everyone that the next incarnation of the band is the greatest, but it doesn't change the fact that a band like Heart was every bit as big as Journey. I'm sure "80%" of people you spoke to all told you that they were there for Journey and never even heard of Heart, but anyone with two brain cells connected knows better! You were openly critical of Jeff Scott Soto on this board, and I'm quite sure that everyone of their concerts on the Journey/Def Leppard tour were sold out. Again, Leppard was every bit as big, if not bigger than Journey, in popularity.


John from Boston

When it comes to hits, Heart is in a different league than Journey.
20 top 40 hits
9 top 10 hits
2 #1 singles

Journey wasn't about the hits per se. Journey moved more albums. They were more of a total package. Music, merchandise, and touring. Journey destroys Heart. I saw Heart play Naperville's Ribfest last year. So don't think that bill was equal billing. Journey closed. Where was Heart before this tour. The crowd responses clearly were more for Journey. Don't get me wrong, Heart complimented that bill and was definitely part of the success but don't diminish who was the true headliner.

[Saint John]

That's pure speculation, with no proof to back it up.

So is saying the sun will come up tomorrow, but I'm quite sure it will.

[tammy]

I don't know how SP feels exactly other than what he has revealed in interviews...but, I don't get the impression that it is "killing him". He is a pretty happy guy now, it seems, and there are other things in life to enjoy & get soul satisfaction from. It's clear he's very happy with the work he accomplished in the past & how much it means to people...he can rest on his laurels. And, he doesn't have to give the public all the info from behind the scenes...besides, one can forgive others and still not want to talk with them (that's what I do.)

[Enigma869]

But he chooses to pet cats, feel sorry for himself and have his "outlets" sell us a load of shit about how he "still sounds like he did in the 80's."

Funny line dude, but where has Perry ever claimed to sound like he did in the 80's? I've certainly never heard that from him. As for your assessment that 70% of fans on this last tour were there to see Journey...I don't but it for a second! By your assessment, only 30% of people were there to see Cheap Trick and Heart. The law of averages tells me that simply doesn't work. Also, I'm guessing if they were playing 10,000 seat venues (and I suspect some arenas were bigger than this), you weren't walking around taking a poll to find out who was there to see whom. The 10 people you happen to be sitting around doesn't make it a representative sample. Even though I don't chase old washed up bands around on tour, I'd be more inclined to see Heart with their original voice than Journey with a replacement of a replacement of a replacement!


John from Boston

[Michigan Girl]

Heart was awesome, 80's awesome!!!

[Rick]

But he chooses to pet cats, feel sorry for himself and have his "outlets" sell us a load of shit about how he "still sounds like he did in the 80's."

Funny line dude, but where has Perry ever claimed to sound like he did in the 80's? I've certainly never heard that from him. As for your assessment that 70% of fans on this last tour were there to see Journey...I don't but it for a second! By your assessment, only 30% of people were there to see Cheap Trick and Heart. The law of averages tells me that simply doesn't work. Also, I'm guessing if they were playing 10,000 seat venues (and I suspect some arenas were bigger than this), you weren't walking around taking a poll to find out who was there to see whom. The 10 people you happen to be sitting around doesn't make it a representative sample. Even though I don't chase old washed up bands around on tour, I'd be more inclined to see Heart with their original voice than Journey with a replacement of a replacement of a replacement!


John from Boston

I was at the Dallas show, and I'd go 70/30 based on T-Shirts and the amount of people standing during each performance. It was clearly a Journey crowd. But Dallas has always been big on Journey.

[chad]

Just remember...Perry wasn't shit pre-Journey and he isn't shit post-Journey. But he was the shit with Journey.

That works both ways....Journey wouldn't be Journey if Perry was never involved.

[bluejeangirl76]

He lawyered up. And calls it a business decision.

What the hell are you talking about? You're talking as if Perry is facing criminal charges when you say he has "lawyered up". I deal with people's finances every day for a living. I deal with people who make FAR less money than Perry does, who have attorneys to handle their business affairs. Contrary to your suggestion that Perry just pulled Perry Mason out of his ass, I'm quite confident that he has probably had a business attorney, since his days in Journey. It's really not that unusual.

*insert inappropriate Raymond Burr gay joke here*

[Onestepper]

But he chooses to pet cats, feel sorry for himself and have his "outlets" sell us a load of shit about how he "still sounds like he did in the 80's."

Funny line dude, but where has Perry ever claimed to sound like he did in the 80's? I've certainly never heard that from him. As for your assessment that 70% of fans on this last tour were there to see Journey...I don't but it for a second! By your assessment, only 30% of people were there to see Cheap Trick and Heart. The law of averages tells me that simply doesn't work. Also, I'm guessing if they were playing 10,000 seat venues (and I suspect some arenas were bigger than this), you weren't walking around taking a poll to find out who was there to see whom. The 10 people you happen to be sitting around doesn't make it a representative sample. Even though I don't chase old washed up bands around on tour, I'd be more inclined to see Heart with their original voice than Journey with a replacement of a replacement of a replacement!


John from Boston

I was at the Dallas show, and I'd go 70/30 based on T-Shirts and the amount of people standing during each performance. It was clearly a Journey crowd. But Dallas has always been big on Journey.

I'd say 70% is the number. I don't know a single person that bought a $100 ticket to see Cheap Trick. And Heart was much more of a bonus than a draw.

[bluejeangirl76]

And given what happened, and that he probably didn't like it one little bit, the fact that he has always publically refused to dish on them shows a lot of class.

He couldn't if he wanted to. He had everyone sign a gag order and they can't say anything bad about each other.

Well, Neal sure as all hell hasn't obeyed said order.
He shits talks the guy whenever he gets the chance.

[Saint John]

But he chooses to pet cats, feel sorry for himself and have his "outlets" sell us a load of shit about how he "still sounds like he did in the 80's."

Funny line dude, but where has Perry ever claimed to sound like he did in the 80's? I've certainly never heard that from him. As for your assessment that 70% of fans on this last tour were there to see Journey...I don't but it for a second! By your assessment, only 30% of people were there to see Cheap Trick and Heart. The law of averages tells me that simply doesn't work. Also, I'm guessing if they were playing 10,000 seat venues (and I suspect some arenas were bigger than this), you weren't walking around taking a poll to find out who was there to see whom. The 10 people you happen to be sitting around doesn't make it a representative sample. Even though I don't chase old washed up bands around on tour, I'd be more inclined to see Heart with their original voice than Journey with a replacement of a replacement of a replacement!

2 things:

I never said Perry said he sounded like he did in the 80's...I said "outlets." Uncle Joe Benson being one of them.

When they played to 10,000 person audiences they were by themsleves (An Evening With Journey Tour). So I'm quite sure people were there to see Journey. I'm basing my 60-75% estimate from this past summer on t-shirts in the crowd, crowd noise, and general conversation in beer lines, the pisser, tail gating, etc. Again, I'm basing my guess on the 8 shows I went to. You're refuting my estimate with what?

[Saint John]

Well, Neal sure as all hell hasn't obeyed said order.
He shits talks the guy whenever he gets the chance.

Examples, please. I think you're mistaking "shit talking" with the truth.

[Arianddu]

Well, Neal sure as all hell hasn't obeyed said order.
He shits talks the guy whenever he gets the chance.

Examples, please. I think you're mistaking "shit talking" with the truth.

Do you deny that Neal hasn't obeyed said gag order, whether he speaks the truth or not?

No matter how you throw it, what you believe the 'truth' is - Perry speaks well of his former band mates publically, Schon does not; I give class points to Perry - and extra class points to Valory who seems to have nothing but nice/polite to say about Perry, and who has a hell of a lot more reason than Schon to be shitty with the guy.

[Jana]

Wow, Tito, only the second or third time I've agreed with you, but this statement by you was RIGHT ON THE MARK:

"No proof!!!!!!!! The motherfucker hasn't toured in 14 fuckin' years. And before that it was 7 years. 1 fuckin' tour in 21 years. What the fuck else do you want. He hasn't even released any new material since TBF. The guy quit."


You're right. It's true. Steve Perry is awesome, but the facts are the facts.

[Saint John]

Do you deny that Neal hasn't obeyed said gag order, whether he speaks the truth or not?

I've never heard Neal say anything derogatory about Perry. He said he doesn't want to work and he talks through lawyers. Seems pretty truthfull to me. I'm still waiting for those quotes.

[Enigma869]

You're refuting my estimate with what?

The fact that you're fucking delusional and drink WAY too much Journey Kool-Aid


John from Boston

[Arianddu]

Do you deny that Neal hasn't obeyed said gag order, whether he speaks the truth or not?

I've never heard Neal say anything derogatory about Perry. He said he doesn't want to work and he talks through lawyers. Seems pretty truthfull to me. I'm still waiting for those quotes.

http://men.style.com/gq/features/full?id=content_6818&pageNum=4

“Oh, y’know,” Schon says. “There’s no legal issue. We just try not to. I mean, I didn’t say anything inflammatory. I didn’t talk about how he still gets paid like a motherfucker even though he shouldn’t be. It’s stuff like that I’m not allowed to talk about. He sorta just bitches and moans and whines about everything. And he just assumes that every time we bring up his name, that we’re sayin’ bad things.”

Derogatory - not exactly. Polite - no. Classy - fuck no!
You're the one who said "He had everyone sign a gag order and they can't say anything bad about each other" - bad =/= derogatory. And I don't see Perry speaking in a similar manner.

Like I said - props to Perry and more to Valory - in public at least they keep it nicey-nicey.

[Saint John]

You're refuting my estimate with what?

The fact that you're fucking delusional and drink WAY too much Journey Kool-Aid

I figured that would be your response. You're all out of bullets, John. This game is over.

[Tito]

Perry's voice minus Journey's music equals Against The Wall and FTLOSM...which were both directionless works of pure garbage. He needs that chemistry that Schon and Cain provide. And the same can be said for them needing him as well. But he chooses to pet cats, feel sorry for himself and have his "outlets" sell us a load of shit about how he "still sounds like he did in the 80's."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuu2iNis ... re=related

[Jana]

I agree with Adriandu that Steve Perry came off much better in the GQ interview than Neal. Neal let his temper get the best of him and then there comes Steve Perry's interview and it was very insightful. But that's the only time I've ever heard Neal say anything publicly about Steve Perry since the breakup like that.

Neal's my guy, so I'm not dissin' him. To me, behind the scenes they're probably both a major pain in the ass in some ways, but both of those guys have got some major talent and together they created some fantastic music.

[Tito]

But he chooses to pet cats, feel sorry for himself and have his "outlets" sell us a load of shit about how he "still sounds like he did in the 80's."

Funny line dude, but where has Perry ever claimed to sound like he did in the 80's? I've certainly never heard that from him. As for your assessment that 70% of fans on this last tour were there to see Journey...I don't but it for a second! By your assessment, only 30% of people were there to see Cheap Trick and Heart. The law of averages tells me that simply doesn't work. Also, I'm guessing if they were playing 10,000 seat venues (and I suspect some arenas were bigger than this), you weren't walking around taking a poll to find out who was there to see whom. The 10 people you happen to be sitting around doesn't make it a representative sample. Even though I don't chase old washed up bands around on tour, I'd be more inclined to see Heart with their original voice than Journey with a replacement of a replacement of a replacement!


John from Boston

You just follow them on a message board. What's the point if you don't care.

[Don]

Perry - Neal, one speaks better in public while the other sometimes let's his temper get the better of him. Sounds like Obama - McCain.

[Arianddu]

Perry's voice minus Journey's music equals Against The Wall and FTLOSM...which were both directionless works of pure garbage. He needs that chemistry that Schon and Cain provide. And the same can be said for them needing him as well. But he chooses to pet cats, feel sorry for himself and have his "outlets" sell us a load of shit about how he "still sounds like he did in the 80's."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuu2iNis ... re=related

HOLY CRAP MAN!!! Give a fucking warning why don't you!!!!

[Michigan Girl]

I agree with Adriandu that Steve Perry came off much better in the GQ interview than Neal. Neal let his temper get the best of him and then there comes Steve Perry's interview and it was very insightful. But that's the only time I've ever heard Neal say anything publicly about Steve Perry since the breakup like that.

Neal's my guy, so I'm not dissin' him. To me, behind the scenes they're probably both a major pain in the ass in some ways, but both of those guys have got some major talent.

Now, this is the truth......and good for them for having gag orders, their private matters should be kept that way.

[Deb]

http://men.style.com/gq/features/full?id=content_6818&pageNum=4

“Oh, y’know,” Schon says. “There’s no legal issue. We just try not to. I mean, I didn’t say anything inflammatory. I didn’t talk about how he still gets paid like a motherfucker even though he shouldn’t be. It’s stuff like that I’m not allowed to talk about. He sorta just bitches and moans and whines about everything.

And he just assumes that every time we bring up his name, that we’re sayin’ bad things.”

Funny how he'd think that huh?! Sorry, but adding that last sentence to his comments, made him look like a friggin' tool.

[Saint John]

Do you deny that Neal hasn't obeyed said gag order, whether he speaks the truth or not?

I've never heard Neal say anything derogatory about Perry. He said he doesn't want to work and he talks through lawyers. Seems pretty truthfull to me. I'm still waiting for those quotes.

http://men.style.com/gq/features/full?id=content_6818&pageNum=4

“Oh, y’know,” Schon says. “There’s no legal issue. We just try not to. I mean, I didn’t say anything inflammatory. I didn’t talk about how he still gets paid like a motherfucker even though he shouldn’t be. It’s stuff like that I’m not allowed to talk about. He sorta just bitches and moans and whines about everything. And he just assumes that every time we bring up his name, that we’re sayin’ bad things.”

Derogatory - not exactly. Polite - no. Classy - fuck no!
You're the one who said "He had everyone sign a gag order and they can't say anything bad about each other" - bad =/= derogatory. And I don't see Perry speaking in a similar manner.

Like I said - props to Perry and more to Valory - in public at least they keep it nicey-nicey.

Sometimes the truth hurts. Neal was simply being brutally honest.

[Michigan Girl]

http://men.style.com/gq/features/full?id=content_6818&pageNum=4

“Oh, y’know,” Schon says. “There’s no legal issue. We just try not to. I mean, I didn’t say anything inflammatory. I didn’t talk about how he still gets paid like a motherfucker even though he shouldn’t be. It’s stuff like that I’m not allowed to talk about. He sorta just bitches and moans and whines about everything.

And he just assumes that every time we bring up his name, that we’re sayin’ bad things.”

Funny how he'd think that huh?! Sorry, but adding that last sentence to his comments, made him look like a friggin' tool.

lol
He is a tool, a knife, not the sharpest one in the drawer......but he can play that geeeetar!!!

[Deb]

http://men.style.com/gq/features/full?id=content_6818&pageNum=4

“Oh, y’know,” Schon says. “There’s no legal issue. We just try not to. I mean, I didn’t say anything inflammatory. I didn’t talk about how he still gets paid like a motherfucker even though he shouldn’t be. It’s stuff like that I’m not allowed to talk about. He sorta just bitches and moans and whines about everything.

And he just assumes that every time we bring up his name, that we’re sayin’ bad things.”

Funny how he'd think that huh?! Sorry, but adding that last sentence to his comments, made him look like a friggin' tool.

lol
He is a tool, a knife, not the sharpest one in the drawer......but he can play that geeeetar!!! :wink:

THAT he can!