Cain/Perry Bootleg ? What is this ? I havent heard this b4.

[G.I.Jim]

My 2 cents. The first one (We All Want To Be Loved) is not SP. Don't think it's Mickey Thomas. Sounds like Chalfant to me. The second one (Nothing But A Heartache) is definitely SP.

Nothing But a Heartache is definitely Perry. No way to hide that vocal tone.

We All Want To Be Loved is much harder, however. If the song dates to the early 90s, Cain was known to have some demo singers here and there. There is a version of I Wish That I Was There (written for Bad English) with Los Angeles area demo singer Mark Free (ex King Kobra, Signal, Unruly Child) on vocals. This definitely is not Free, nor is it Chalfant, but I'd place money on it being another demo singer.
My guess, having narrowed it down to demo singers is Gene Miller is the guy on vocals. Miller did vocals on a cd of demos released about 1997ish under the name of Fake ID and was another one of those high tenors. I still have some of the mp3 soundbytes and the vocal tone is pretty darn close. I'd hard to pin down a 100% identification based on a few songs, but cutting out the obvious choices (Perry, Chalfant, Jeremey, etc) and narrowing it down to demo singers, I'll call it for Gene Miller.

Lets hear some of those demos?

[CHELBEL]

G I Jim's is Perry but the first one is not.

[kgdjpubs]

My 2 cents. The first one (We All Want To Be Loved) is not SP. Don't think it's Mickey Thomas. Sounds like Chalfant to me. The second one (Nothing But A Heartache) is definitely SP.

Nothing But a Heartache is definitely Perry. No way to hide that vocal tone.

We All Want To Be Loved is much harder, however. If the song dates to the early 90s, Cain was known to have some demo singers here and there. There is a version of I Wish That I Was There (written for Bad English) with Los Angeles area demo singer Mark Free (ex King Kobra, Signal, Unruly Child) on vocals. This definitely is not Free, nor is it Chalfant, but I'd place money on it being another demo singer.
My guess, having narrowed it down to demo singers is Gene Miller is the guy on vocals. Miller did vocals on a cd of demos released about 1997ish under the name of Fake ID and was another one of those high tenors. I still have some of the mp3 soundbytes and the vocal tone is pretty darn close. I'd hard to pin down a 100% identification based on a few songs, but cutting out the obvious choices (Perry, Chalfant, Jeremey, etc) and narrowing it down to demo singers, I'll call it for Gene Miller.

Lets hear some of those demos?

Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet?

for those that can't wait 2 minutes....
https://www.yousendit.com/download/WnBU ... V05MWEE9PQ

That's the closest to the demo. Bit different reverb on the vocal, but the tone sounds the same to me.

[G.I.Jim]

My 2 cents. The first one (We All Want To Be Loved) is not SP. Don't think it's Mickey Thomas. Sounds like Chalfant to me. The second one (Nothing But A Heartache) is definitely SP.

Nothing But a Heartache is definitely Perry. No way to hide that vocal tone.

We All Want To Be Loved is much harder, however. If the song dates to the early 90s, Cain was known to have some demo singers here and there. There is a version of I Wish That I Was There (written for Bad English) with Los Angeles area demo singer Mark Free (ex King Kobra, Signal, Unruly Child) on vocals. This definitely is not Free, nor is it Chalfant, but I'd place money on it being another demo singer.
My guess, having narrowed it down to demo singers is Gene Miller is the guy on vocals. Miller did vocals on a cd of demos released about 1997ish under the name of Fake ID and was another one of those high tenors. I still have some of the mp3 soundbytes and the vocal tone is pretty darn close. I'd hard to pin down a 100% identification based on a few songs, but cutting out the obvious choices (Perry, Chalfant, Jeremey, etc) and narrowing it down to demo singers, I'll call it for Gene Miller.

Lets hear some of those demos?

Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet?

for those that can't wait 2 minutes....
https://www.yousendit.com/download/WnBU ... V05MWEE9PQ

That's the closest to the demo. Bit different reverb on the vocal, but the tone sounds the same to me.

Damn dude...that's awesome! Great find. I really like the song. Do you have any more? Where the hell is this guy now? Man I'd like to work with someone with a set of pipes like that!

[kgdjpubs]

Damn dude...that's awesome! Great find. I really like the song. Do you have any more? Where the hell is this guy now? Man I'd like to work with someone with a set of pipes like that!

Does this mean we are in agreement on the mystery singer?

Beats me on where he is now. Another one of those LA-based demos singers in the late 80s and 90s like Free and James Christian (House of Lords). If you really want to find him, ask Andrew. He has connections to the area, and probably knows a mutual acquaintance from some point.

Check your PM.

[DCD]

Damn dude...that's awesome! Great find. I really like the song. Do you have any more? Where the hell is this guy now? Man I'd like to work with someone with a set of pipes like that!

Does this mean we are in agreement on the mystery singer?

Beats me on where he is now. Another one of those LA-based demos singers in the late 80s and 90s like Free and James Christian (House of Lords). If you really want to find him, ask Andrew. He has connections to the area, and probably knows a mutual acquaintance from some point.

Check your PM.

Billy Trudell maybe?

[WykkedSensation]

Damn dude...that's awesome! Great find. I really like the song. Do you have any more? Where the hell is this guy now? Man I'd like to work with someone with a set of pipes like that!

Does this mean we are in agreement on the mystery singer?

Beats me on where he is now. Another one of those LA-based demos singers in the late 80s and 90s like Free and James Christian (House of Lords). If you really want to find him, ask Andrew. He has connections to the area, and probably knows a mutual acquaintance from some point.

Check your PM.

Billy Trudell maybe?

No, it's Miller.
I have an aquaintance who knows or was regularly in contact with Gene Miller in the 90's and Gene sent him a bunch of stuff back then that he sang on. This song was one of them.

[kidlatham]

My 2 cents. The first one (We All Want To Be Loved) is not SP. Don't think it's Mickey Thomas. Sounds like Chalfant to me. The second one (Nothing But A Heartache) is definitely SP.

where can I download "Nothing but a heartache"?????????????

[Liquid_Drummer]

If that is not Perry the guy sure has a great voice. Maybe this was 1987ish and they were trying out people to replace him ? The guy has a very close tonality to Perry and a nice clean upper range.. Or did...

[MrsPerry]

My 2 cents. The first one (We All Want To Be Loved) is not SP. Don't think it's Mickey Thomas. Sounds like Chalfant to me. The second one (Nothing But A Heartache) is definitely SP.

where can I download "Nothing but a heartache"?????????????

I would like to hear it as well.

[SF-Dano]

JMO. It sounds like Chalfant. Probably from the pre-TBF plans. (Man! What could have been )

[kgdjpubs]

where can I download "Nothing but a heartache"?????????????

I would like to hear it as well.

look on page one of this thread. It's a few posts down.

[kgdjpubs]

JMO. It sounds like Chalfant. Probably from the pre-TBF plans. (Man! What could have been )

nope, that's Gene Miller. Vocal tone is wrong for Chalfant, who's a bit more shrill on the higher notes. Miller is a bit rougher, or a bit more "hoarse" sounding at that high range (more like Perry circa ROR era). Chalfant is the opposite--rougher at lower ranges (though getting smoother as he ages), and clearer the higher he goes.

You can copy inflections and vocal style of another singer (especially singing something they covered), though I've never seen it done on original material because each singer will have slightly different influences. Copying vocal tone is just about impossible--that's the natural stuff specific to each singer on HOW they sound at each note based on vocal cords, lung capacity, chest cavity size, etc.

[MrsPerry]

Found it. thank you

[Michael Leigh]

My 2 cents. The first one (We All Want To Be Loved) is not SP. Don't think it's Mickey Thomas. Sounds like Chalfant to me. The second one (Nothing But A Heartache) is definitely SP.

Nothing But a Heartache is definitely Perry. No way to hide that vocal tone.

We All Want To Be Loved is much harder, however. If the song dates to the early 90s, Cain was known to have some demo singers here and there. There is a version of I Wish That I Was There (written for Bad English) with Los Angeles area demo singer Mark Free (ex King Kobra, Signal, Unruly Child) on vocals. This definitely is not Free, nor is it Chalfant, but I'd place money on it being another demo singer.
My guess, having narrowed it down to demo singers is Gene Miller is the guy on vocals. Miller did vocals on a cd of demos released about 1997ish under the name of Fake ID and was another one of those high tenors. I still have some of the mp3 soundbytes and the vocal tone is pretty darn close. I'd hard to pin down a 100% identification based on a few songs, but cutting out the obvious choices (Perry, Chalfant, Jeremey, etc) and narrowing it down to demo singers, I'll call it for Gene Miller.

Lets hear some of those demos?

Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet?

for those that can't wait 2 minutes....
https://www.yousendit.com/download/WnBU ... V05MWEE9PQ

That's the closest to the demo. Bit different reverb on the vocal, but the tone sounds the same to me.

Damn dude...that's awesome! Great find. I really like the song. Do you have any more? Where the hell is this guy now? Man I'd like to work with someone with a set of pipes like that!

WOW!! He sounds a lot like Ted Poley,

[slucero]

I tweaked the 1st song in a couple of audio tools I use.... its a bit clearer now...

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=03C5M6VU