vocal coach and stevie

[Jana]

He needs to keep that attitude. Just because he doesn't parrot the Fan Asylum, Perry Inc. talking points doesn't make what he says any less credible. He's given his timeline and only time will prove him right or wrong.

I find that statement a little odd, Dan. Madsplash is one of the worst of the 'Perry is perfect and no criticism will be entered into' loons around. He's incredibly agressive when anyone suggests Perry, or his singing, is sometimes less than perfect, and point blank refuses to acknowledge any rational argument pointing out the flaws in his stance.

As for whether or not he is right about Perry recording, it's never been an issue for me about what he is saying (and I have reason to believe that MS is more right than wrong), but rather that he just won't accept people saying 'when it's officially announced, we'll get excited', no matter how many times it's been said or how it's been said.

Having said that, I hope he doesn't just disappear. I personally don't like his posting style, but it would be a dull place if we were all the same.

+100. I agree with everything you said, Ari. Great response on all points.

[annpea]

So you don't consider MS a loon?

No. Though he swoons around and worships the ground Perry walks on, he's also not afraid to mix it up with fellow Perry fans. That, right there, eliminates him from Loon eligibility.

MS, certainly is able to hold his own; however medical issues in my opinion should be released only by the party whom the issue concerns. At first I was happy that maybe it was true and he probably would return to the stage,then it occurred to me that if someone posted information about my alleged health issues I'd feel totally violated. One more thing if SP did give permission to the doctor to talk to the voice coach about any alleged procedures maybe that's as far as he thought it was to go; only between the doctor and the voice coach; so posting that information would be wrong on so many levels and a violation of HIPPA.

Thought you were against mentioning his medical condition.

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Now playing: The Magic Numbers - Which Way To Happy

That's why I said alleged!! and I think I said if the party concerned released the information ( As with the hip replacement) one doesn't have to be a loon to know where not to cross a line.

It was a poor attempt at humour

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Now playing: Peter Frampton - Call Of The Wild

That's fine maybe, one day he will man up and tell the fans "Is he or is he ain't" gonna sing again.

[Gideon]

He needs to keep that attitude. Just because he doesn't parrot the Fan Asylum, Perry Inc. talking points doesn't make what he says any less credible. He's given his timeline and only time will prove him right or wrong.

I find that statement a little odd, Dan. Madsplash is one of the worst of the 'Perry is perfect and no criticism will be entered into' loons around. He's incredibly agressive when anyone suggests Perry, or his singing, is sometimes less than perfect, and point blank refuses to acknowledge any rational argument pointing out the flaws in his stance.

As for whether or not he is right about Perry recording, it's never been an issue for me about what he is saying (and I have reason to believe that MS is more right than wrong), but rather that he just won't accept people saying 'when it's officially announced, we'll get excited', no matter how many times it's been said or how it's been said.

Having said that, I hope he doesn't just disappear. I personally don't like his posting style, but it would be a dull place if we were all the same.

I'm going to have to echo most of that. Madsplash isn't a bad person nor is he necessarily inept, but if you bother to read anything he posts, SJ, he's probably the most notorious Perry apologist here. The absolute counterpoint to you and your arguments.

[KDOUBLEU]

Just got home from Las Vegas havent been on for a week. Somebody fill me in on whats going on with this post What did i miss?

[Red13JoePa]

[ The inability to even acknowledge the band pre or post Perry is what makes you a card carrying Loon.

Agreed, one of the top 3 most obnoxious things they continuously do.

Also that gay "SMFP" shit, who made THAT up ?

[bluejeangirl76]

[ The inability to even acknowledge the band pre or post Perry is what makes you a card carrying Loon.

Agreed, one of the top 3 most obnoxious things they continuously do.

Also that gay "SMFP" shit, who made THAT up ?

That one would be my fault, RedJoe. I don't think I give it the "SMFP" designation, but that seemed to start after I officially changed his middle name last year.

However, I do appreciate the other Journey efforts, pre and post, so I resign myself from that category.

[Gideon]

[ The inability to even acknowledge the band pre or post Perry is what makes you a card carrying Loon.

Agreed, one of the top 3 most obnoxious things they continuously do.

Also that gay "SMFP" shit, who made THAT up ?

That one would be my fault, RedJoe. I don't think I give it the "SMFP" designation, but that seemed to start after I officially changed his middle name last year.

However, I do appreciate the other Journey efforts, pre and post, so I resign myself from that category.

I feel a JMFC coming on.

[Peartree12249]

Dan, I don't know where you get the idea that I don't acknowledge Journey pre or post Perry. I acknowledge it, it just doesn't interest me. Your insistence that I should is like saying I should accept Led Zeppelin without Robert Plant because Jimmy Page goes out and hires some guy off of you tube to replace Plant on tour, or Pete Townsend goes out and hires a replacement for Roger Daltry. If you want to go see that iteration of Led Zeppelin or the Who be my guest. But to call someone a moron because they don't is truly moronic. Get over yourself. I have never denigrated anyone who appreciates Journey's pre-Perry music or who enjoys the post-Perry versions. There's nothing wrong with that. It's my personal preference not to. But I'm not so egotistical to expect everyone to believe the way I do. Can't we have a discussion without the disparaging remarks?

[portland]

Very well said and I agree for what it is worth as a newbie!

[Granny]

Though I tend to disagree with much of what Madsplash says I do like his in your face and "Fuck You" attitude. Loons are the most obnoxious and unintelligent fans known to man and need to be dealt with precisely the way he does. Besides, nothing he has said has been dispelled (or proven...yet) and many of the "whispers" in the industry seem to point to him being right more so than wrong. The Perry elitists want nothing more than to tow the line and say what they think Perry Inc. would want them to say. There's nothing original or creative in their thinking. When the topic of Nostrildamus comes up they do nothing more than wander around here aimlessly regurgitating 20 years of bullshit keywords like "privacy, burnout, toast, high road, and class act." Like most soft-minded people they've been brainwashed well.

Geez, that's a little harsh don't ya think? Maybe you and I define loons diferently. Up to now I classified myself as a loon because I love Steve Perry's wonderful voice, I enjoy both his work with Journey and his solo efforts, and I sincerely hope he will record and perform again someday. While I wish Journey well and feel AP is doing an excellent job I have no desire to buy their new albums or go see them in concert. For me, Journey will always include SMFP. But have no ill feeling for NS and JC.

I am not an apologist for Perry either. I believe that he has made mistakes and has done things he shouldn't because he is a human being and that's what people do they screw up. They act out of ego, fear, anger, etc. To think that one side or the other in this melodrama are somehow all to blame while the other party is a complete victim and blameless is IMO, ridiculous. I also feel that MS has gotten a raw deal, and given what people have been posting of late, it would not surprise me if he turns out to be right. However he does seem to perpetuate the abuse by his "in your face and Fuck You" attitude.

So, please don't classify all loons as thinking or acting the same.

Peartree: agree with everything you just said..I've been sitting here reading all this crap for the first time and can't believe what SJ said about us loons. yes, I am an admitted Perry Loon: for his voice and contribution to Journey music..If someone here doesn't like him as a person, well, that is there own personal opinion.
However, I resent being told that I am obnoxious and unintelligent..
SJ, if I ever see you again you will get a slap across your f------ face for that remark..definitely not nice.
And yes, SP walks on water!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!LOL

[DracIsBack]

You know what, he will release another CD. And it will be another re-packaged Greatest Hits CD + a few other unreleased tracks, and probably demos from the early 90's period.

And I will seriously laugh if and when that happens.

Must be nice to have the ability to see into the future!

[CatEyes]

...Loons, synchronize your watches....commence dancing the "Happy Dance".

(yeah, I know it's just rumor, speculation and innuendo, but hey, I'm a Loon, and that's good enough for me!)

[Blueskies]

Way too many cat pics and talk for my taste on here (I'm not very into cats..due to litterboxes which stink up anyones house no matter how often the change them..ewww! but mainly because I'm allergic to them...so no offense to anyone that has one and loves them ) but gotta say that dancing cat is cute and funny!

[Deb]

Though I tend to disagree with much of what Madsplash says I do like his in your face and "Fuck You" attitude. Loons are the most obnoxious and unintelligent fans known to man and need to be dealt with precisely the way he does. Besides, nothing he has said has been dispelled (or proven...yet) and many of the "whispers" in the industry seem to point to him being right more so than wrong. The Perry elitists want nothing more than to tow the line and say what they think Perry Inc. would want them to say. There's nothing original or creative in their thinking. When the topic of Nostrildamus comes up they do nothing more than wander around here aimlessly regurgitating 20 years of bullshit keywords like "privacy, burnout, toast, high road, and class act." Like most soft-minded people they've been brainwashed well.

Geez, that's a little harsh don't ya think? Maybe you and I define loons diferently. Up to now I classified myself as a loon because I love Steve Perry's wonderful voice, I enjoy both his work with Journey and his solo efforts, and I sincerely hope he will record and perform again someday. While I wish Journey well and feel AP is doing an excellent job I have no desire to buy their new albums or go see them in concert. For me, Journey will always include SMFP. But have no ill feeling for NS and JC.

I am not an apologist for Perry either. I believe that he has made mistakes and has done things he shouldn't because he is a human being and that's what people do they screw up. They act out of ego, fear, anger, etc. To think that one side or the other in this melodrama are somehow all to blame while the other party is a complete victim and blameless is IMO, ridiculous. I also feel that MS has gotten a raw deal, and given what people have been posting of late, it would not surprise me if he turns out to be right. However he does seem to perpetuate the abuse by his "in your face and Fuck You" attitude.

So, please don't classify all loons as thinking or acting the same.

Peartree: agree with everything you just said..I've been sitting here reading all this crap for the first time and can't believe what SJ said about us loons. yes, I am an admitted Perry Loon: for his voice and contribution to Journey music..If someone here doesn't like him as a person, well, that is there own personal opinion.
However, I resent being told that I am obnoxious and unintelligent..
SJ, if I ever see you again you will get a slap across your f------ face for that remark..definitely not nice.And yes, SP walks on water!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!LOL

Gawd I love this place.......LOL, look at Granny laying the smackdown on Dannyboy!

[Saint John]

SJ, if I ever see you again you will get a slap across your f------ face

I don't think you will.

[whirlwind]

I would bet that Perry loves his loons most of all. We are the fans that never stopped believing in him and want only him singing the dirty doz. We are Journey/Perry all the way and just as he has no interest in the band, other than his time spent with them, neither do we.

What's the harm? I think that there is pride in being a Perryloon. He has a huge following of totally loyal fans who will accept no if ands or buts where he is concerned. I agree Carol, he can walk on water.

[Jana]

I would bet that Perry loves his loons most of all. We are the fans that never stopped believing in him and want only him singing the dirty doz. We are Journey/Perry all the way and just as he has no interest in the band, other than his time spent with them, neither do we.What's the harm? I think that there is pride in being a Perryloon. He has a huge following of totally loyal fans who will accept no if ands or buts where he is concerned. I agree Carol, he can walk on water.

And you consider Loons can have only that mindset, and then he loves you most of all and not all his fans? Ha. I listen to Perry/Journey all the time and a lot of Perry solo. He's one of the best vocalists ever and my personal favorite, the gold standard. I consider myself a major fan of Perry's, but because I don't choose to want Journey to go down since Perry, for all intents and purposes, lost interest in Journey after ROR, I'm less of a fan of his? I don't think so. I'm glad for whatever reason, Sony pushing him, he reunited for TBF. But that was a gift the fans got. Perry was over Journey since '87 and wanted a solo career. My enjoyment of Journey in concert without him doesn't make me any less of a fan of how much I loved what he did with Journey and created together, and I have a feeling he appreciates my fandom just as much, even though not a LOON.

[artist4perry]

SJ there are layers of loondom. I for one do not see Steve as perfect, but as human, I agree with the post above. He has done his share of mistakes.

But bands fight, that is pretty common. I was not there, and I am staying out of their mess. I just want to love the music, and I am not into playing monday night psychiatrist on the band. Never been one for fault finding missions.

Steve is a great singer, and I have respect for his art. But I have no desire to follow, anoy, stalk, or be with him on a daily basis. I would like to meet him on his terms someday. Maybe a meet and greet. But this is not a lifes goal, if I never meet him I would be fine. I have not withered away from not meeting him to date.

If anyone does not like him this is their right. I am not your mom. I don't want to tell you who to like. I will voice an opposing oppinion if I so choose. Nothing personal to you, just an opposing oppinion.

O.K. with that?

[Saint John]

SJ there are layers of loondom. I for one do not see Steve as perfect, but as human, I agree with the post above. He has done his share of mistakes.

But bands fight, that is pretty common. I was not there, and I am staying out of their mess. I just want to love the music, and I am not into playing monday night psychiatrist on the band. Never been one for fault finding missions.

Steve is a great singer, and I have respect for his art. But I have no desire to follow, anoy, stalk, or be with him on a daily basis. I would like to meet him on his terms someday. Maybe a meet and greet. But this is not a lifes goal, if I never meet him I would be fine. I have not withered away from not meeting him to date.

If anyone does not like him this is their right. I am not your mom. I don't want to tell you who to like. I will voice an opposing oppinion if I so choose. Nothing personal to you, just an opposing oppinion.

O.K. with that?

Sounds logical to me, Ginger! For me, from 1981-1983 and to some degree even in 1986, he had the greatest voice I've ever heard. That said, his actions as a bandmate and his desire to bury a band that wasn't his rather than have it move on without him have soured my view of him as a person. None of the band members are mistake free, but I don't think any of them besides him actually wanted to put an end to Journey. *I* believe he did.

[Gideon]

SJ there are layers of loondom. I for one do not see Steve as perfect, but as human, I agree with the post above. He has done his share of mistakes.

But bands fight, that is pretty common. I was not there, and I am staying out of their mess. I just want to love the music, and I am not into playing monday night psychiatrist on the band. Never been one for fault finding missions.

Steve is a great singer, and I have respect for his art. But I have no desire to follow, anoy, stalk, or be with him on a daily basis. I would like to meet him on his terms someday. Maybe a meet and greet. But this is not a lifes goal, if I never meet him I would be fine. I have not withered away from not meeting him to date.

If anyone does not like him this is their right. I am not your mom. I don't want to tell you who to like. I will voice an opposing oppinion if I so choose. Nothing personal to you, just an opposing oppinion.

O.K. with that?

Sounds logical to me, Ginger! For me, from 1981-1983 and to some degree even in 1986, he had the greatest voice I've ever heard. That said, his actions as a bandmate and his desire to bury a band that wasn't his rather than have it move on without him have soured my view of him as a person. None of the band members are mistake free, but I don't think any of them besides him actually wanted to put an end to Journey. *I* believe he did.

To some degree in 1986?

I thought you weren't a fan of his supertenor days, climbing scales hiigh enough to puncture clouds. For me, nothing is better than Perry '83 - '94. Just high enough to hit some considerable notes, but much more powerful.

[artist4perry]

SJ there are layers of loondom. I for one do not see Steve as perfect, but as human, I agree with the post above. He has done his share of mistakes.

But bands fight, that is pretty common. I was not there, and I am staying out of their mess. I just want to love the music, and I am not into playing monday night psychiatrist on the band. Never been one for fault finding missions.

Steve is a great singer, and I have respect for his art. But I have no desire to follow, anoy, stalk, or be with him on a daily basis. I would like to meet him on his terms someday. Maybe a meet and greet. But this is not a lifes goal, if I never meet him I would be fine. I have not withered away from not meeting him to date.

If anyone does not like him this is their right. I am not your mom. I don't want to tell you who to like. I will voice an opposing oppinion if I so choose. Nothing personal to you, just an opposing oppinion.

O.K. with that?

Sounds logical to me, Ginger! For me, from 1981-1983 and to some degree even in 1986, he had the greatest voice I've ever heard. That said, his actions as a bandmate and his desire to bury a band that wasn't his rather than have it move on without him have soured my view of him as a person. None of the band members are mistake free, but I don't think any of them besides him actually wanted to put an end to Journey. *I* believe he did.

This is your oppinion and I am O.K with that. I don't agree, but I understand where you stand. Now, are all loons in the same catagory?

[Saint John]

To some degree in 1986?

Correct. He didn't push it hard enough on Raised On Radio for me to compare it to Frontiers. Still great, though.

I thought you weren't a fan of his supertenor days, climbing scales hiigh enough to puncture clouds. For me, nothing is better than Perry '83 - '94. Just high enough to hit some considerable notes, but much more powerful.

I'm not really a fan of anything, vocally, pre-Escape. You can keep the Mariah Carey years. And that's a shame because those awful female sounding vocals he shrieked fucked up some blistering music!!! I saw him 3 times on the FTLOSM tour and while it was very good it was nowhere near 1981, 1983 or 1986. He had lost power, range and his "depth" had begun to sound a bit hollow...something that really surfaced when he tried to rock on the TBF tunes.

[whirlwind]

I would bet that Perry loves his loons most of all. We are the fans that never stopped believing in him and want only him singing the dirty doz. We are Journey/Perry all the way and just as he has no interest in the band, other than his time spent with them, neither do we.What's the harm? I think that there is pride in being a Perryloon. He has a huge following of totally loyal fans who will accept no if ands or buts where he is concerned. I agree Carol, he can walk on water.

And you consider Loons can have only that mindset, and then he loves you most of all and not all his fans? Ha. I listen to Perry/Journey all the time and a lot of Perry solo. He's one of the best vocalists ever and my personal favorite, the gold standard. I consider myself a major fan of Perry's, but because I don't choose to want Journey to go down since Perry, for all intents and purposes, lost interest in Journey after ROR, I'm less of a fan of his? I don't think so. I'm glad for whatever reason, Sony pushing him, he reunited for TBF. But that was a gift the fans got. Perry was over Journey since '87 and wanted a solo career. My enjoyment of Journey in concert without him doesn't make me any less of a fan of how much I loved what he did with Journey and created together, and I have a feeling he appreciates my fandom just as much, even though not a LOON.

Oh, I am certain that he loves all his fans but as I wrote in my first sentence. I would bet that he loves his loons most of all. I didn't state it as fact, I wrote that I would bet.

Sure, there are lots of Steve Perry fans but some of these fans diss him for the decisions he made, all in good faith, during his time with the band. He gave his all to the band while he was able and has been a class act about that band up to the present.
I still think that he loves his loons best.

[Gideon]

It's all down to preference, but I just can't see it. I bounce back and forth in my appreciation for Perry's pre-Cain years. Vocally, I recognize that his range was likely at its peak during this time, and he hadn't yet picked up the vocal histrionics and theatrics that would, in my opinion, detract from his performances from '80 - '82 and much of '83 for the Frontiers tour. There was a very powerful purity to his voice then.

To me, his Escape vocals were when he began to be in a state of flux; his higher registers were still there, but you can tell that he had slightly more difficulty accessing them, and I just didn't really like his tone as much.

Studio-wise, nothing comes close (in my opinion) to Frontiers, Raised on Radio, and For the Love of Strange Medicine in terms of sheer vocal performance. He adopted what Deb would call "a more soulful" tone; but unlike Soto, whom she extends the same accolade, Perry could still hit some impressive registers even at that point. There was a "fatter" quality to his voice that made him sound much stronger and masculine, which is what I preferred.

[whirlwind]

SJ there are layers of loondom. I for one do not see Steve as perfect, but as human, I agree with the post above. He has done his share of mistakes.

But bands fight, that is pretty common. I was not there, and I am staying out of their mess. I just want to love the music, and I am not into playing monday night psychiatrist on the band. Never been one for fault finding missions.

Steve is a great singer, and I have respect for his art. But I have no desire to follow, anoy, stalk, or be with him on a daily basis. I would like to meet him on his terms someday. Maybe a meet and greet. But this is not a lifes goal, if I never meet him I would be fine. I have not withered away from not meeting him to date.

If anyone does not like him this is their right. I am not your mom. I don't want to tell you who to like. I will voice an opposing oppinion if I so choose. Nothing personal to you, just an opposing oppinion.

O.K. with that?

Sounds logical to me, Ginger! For me, from 1981-1983 and to some degree even in 1986, he had the greatest voice I've ever heard. That said, his actions as a bandmate and his desire to bury a band that wasn't his rather than have it move on without him have soured my view of him as a person. None of the band members are mistake free, but I don't think any of them besides him actually wanted to put an end to Journey. *I* believe he did.

This is your oppinion and I am O.K with that. I don't agree, but I understand where you stand. Now, are all loons in the same catagory?

In my opinion, you're either a loon, such as I or you are simply a Steve Perry fan. A loon will only identify Journey with Perry and have complete understanding of his decisions while with the band.
It seems that many want to be considered a loon but forget it. It's all or nothing. Complete loyalty! No "I love him but...."

[Gideon]

I don't think that's a particularly healthy mentality to have for any mortal. That's the sort of zealot, cult-like line of thought that spawns tyrants and serial killers.

[whirlwind]

I don't think that's a particularly healthy mentality to have for any mortal. That's the sort of zealot, cult-like line of thought that spawns tyrants and serial killers.

Care to elaborate?

[Saint John]

Now, are all loons in the same catagory?

No. Some are good people that are merely fans that, to some degree, have blinders on, some are stalkers that should be put to sleep and some are lobotomized wastes of space that should be set on fire and tossed into a wood chipper.

[Gideon]

Care to elaborate?

Certainly.

I preface this with full acknowledgment (and hope) that you're espousing Lunacy in total jest.

I would bet that Perry loves his loons most of all. We are the fans that never stopped believing in him and want only him singing the dirty doz. We are Journey/Perry all the way and just as he has no interest in the band, other than his time spent with them, neither do we.

What's the harm? I think that there is pride in being a Perryloon. He has a huge following of totally loyal fans who will accept no if ands or buts where he is concerned. I agree Carol, he can walk on water.

That's a dangerous and unheathly line of thought, if you're being serious, that most people reserve only for their chosen gods and religions. If Christians are correct, Jesus Christ was a man born without vice or sin and so enjoyed a certain status above saints and prophets; regarded by his followers as a perfect creature. Yet if they're to be believed, he also died for our weakness. You basically extend Steve Perry the same status, despite the fact that he has done nothing other than help give us some great music over the years and being born with an incredible voice. Great accomplishments to be sure, but hardly the stuff of someone who is faultless, as you have suggested that he is.

Oh, I am certain that he loves all his fans but as I wrote in my first sentence. I would bet that he loves his loons most of all. I didn't state it as fact, I wrote that I would bet.

Sure, there are lots of Steve Perry fans but some of these fans diss him for the decisions he made, all in good faith, during his time with the band. He gave his all to the band while he was able and has been a class act about that band up to the present.
I still think that he loves his loons best.

In my opinion, you're either a loon, such as I or you are simply a Steve Perry fan. A loon will only identify Journey with Perry and have complete understanding of his decisions while with the band.
It seems that many want to be considered a loon but forget it. It's all or nothing. Complete loyalty! No "I love him but...."

The embolded sentences strike a resonant chord of moral absolutism, which creates a schism, draws lines, and conjures thoughts of President Bush's infamous "you're with us or you're with the terrorists" line or, if you're a Star Wars fan, the great line "only a Sith deals in absolutes." You (again, hopefully jokingly) acknowledge that there is no acknowledgment of Steve Perry's mistakes during his tenure with the band, citing vague rationale that must be accepted in order to be a member in this most elite Order of Loons, saying it's all or nothing.

That's not something to be proud of. It's actually, quite frankly, sick.

[Jana]

SJ there are layers of loondom. I for one do not see Steve as perfect, but as human, I agree with the post above. He has done his share of mistakes.

But bands fight, that is pretty common. I was not there, and I am staying out of their mess. I just want to love the music, and I am not into playing monday night psychiatrist on the band. Never been one for fault finding missions.

Steve is a great singer, and I have respect for his art. But I have no desire to follow, anoy, stalk, or be with him on a daily basis. I would like to meet him on his terms someday. Maybe a meet and greet. But this is not a lifes goal, if I never meet him I would be fine. I have not withered away from not meeting him to date.

If anyone does not like him this is their right. I am not your mom. I don't want to tell you who to like. I will voice an opposing oppinion if I so choose. Nothing personal to you, just an opposing oppinion.

O.K. with that?

Sounds logical to me, Ginger! For me, from 1981-1983 and to some degree even in 1986, he had the greatest voice I've ever heard. That said, his actions as a bandmate and his desire to bury a band that wasn't his rather than have it move on without him have soured my view of him as a person. None of the band members are mistake free, but I don't think any of them besides him actually wanted to put an end to Journey. *I* believe he did.

This is your oppinion and I am O.K with that. I don't agree, but I understand where you stand. Now, are all loons in the same catagory?

In my opinion, you're either a loon, such as I or you are simply a Steve Perry fan. A loon will only identify Journey with Perry and have complete understanding of his decisions while with the band. It seems that many want to be considered a loon but forget it. It's all or nothing. Complete loyalty! No "I love him but...."

Like a cult. You worship at the alter of Steve Perry. I get it.

The closest I ever came to being a loon was Roland Orzabal one half of Tears For Fears in the later '80s and early '90s. I still love his voice and music. But the difference was I figured he was a prick and instrumental in the breakup with Curt in '89 or '90, but I didn't care b/c I felt he was the driving force of TFF. I liked his difficult nature (most creative artists are difficult) and his delving deeper into alternative rock/pop music. But painting him into sainthood and that all his decisions were right? Nah, I'll pass.

Of course, their story had a happier ending. After almost 15 years they reunited in 2004. But I would have stuck with TFF even if they hadn't reunited.