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Postby Jana » Thu Jan 14, 2010 3:56 am

Abitaman wrote:
brywool wrote:
Gunbot wrote:To me, Arnel is the better singer. However, this isn't a karaoke contest, it's the material that counts. From that perspective, I believe Arrival to be heads and tails above Revelation. TDTWT is a great song and NWA is alright also. Two songs though, does not an album make. Arrival has at least six or seven songs I can listen to on a regular basis. I think what ever writing formula the band used for Arrival should be used again. As good as Cain is at writing by himself, how many of his solo albums (and there's a bunch) has ever done anything? For every great song he authors, he's got a dozen stinkers.
Switch albums around and have Arnel on Arrival in 2008 and I think it scores in the Top ten albums of the year.


Augeri didn't write much on Arrival. If they were smart, they'd write with Perry. If he doesn't want to perform- fine, but writing with the band would pay big for him. Neither camp would entertain the idea.


Jack Blades had his hand in writing for ARRIVAL and Remember Me. Jack has a very good melodic writing skill about him. Plus jack can write very well with other artists, Tommy Shaw, Styx, Damn Yankees, Night Ranger, Journey, Aerosmith, Shaw/Blades. Bring Blades in as a (co)writer, and let him loose. Neal played on Jack's solo cd, some good tunes there.


It wasn't just Blades. There were other writers that helped write some great songs on there, too.

Title Writer(s) Length
1. "Higher Place" Jack Blades, Neal Schon 5:10
2. "All the Way" Schon, Jonathan Cain, Michael Rhodes, Steve Augeri 3:35
3. "Signs of Life" Schon, J. Cain, Elizabeth Cain 4:54
4. "All the Things" Schon, Cain, Andre Pessis 4:24
5. "Loved By You" Cain, Tammy Hyler, Tribble 4:03
6. "Livin' to Do" Schon, Matt Schon, Cain, Tribble 6:25
7. "World Gone Wild" Blades, Schon, Cain 6:00
8. "I Got a Reason" Blades, Schon, Cain 4:20
9. "With Your Love" Schon, J. Cain, E. Cain 4:25
10. "Lifetime of Dreams" Schon, Cain, Tribble 5:29
11. "Live and Breathe" Schon, Cain, Augeri 5:15
12. "Nothin' Comes Close" Schon, Cain, Augeri 5:41
13. "To Be Alive Again" Cain, Augeri, Tribble, Eric Bazilian 4:22
14. "Kiss Me Softly" Blades, Schon, Augeri 4:48
15. "We Will Meet Again" Schon, Augeri, Tribble 5:06
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Postby Michigan Girl » Thu Jan 14, 2010 4:02 am

Abitaman wrote:Jack Blades had his hand in writing for ARRIVAL and Remember Me. .
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Postby BobbyinTN » Thu Jan 14, 2010 4:15 am

He's pitchy here and there but it sounds more like he's just getting back into shape. Unless you're warmed up and in shape vocally it's hard to do the same runs and show off your skills as it is when you're really in shape and have been singing a while.

Augeri can sing and at least he's out there doing something unlike some other past singers. ;-)
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Postby Since 78 » Thu Jan 14, 2010 6:18 am

Jana wrote:
Abitaman wrote:
brywool wrote:
Gunbot wrote:To me, Arnel is the better singer. However, this isn't a karaoke contest, it's the material that counts. From that perspective, I believe Arrival to be heads and tails above Revelation. TDTWT is a great song and NWA is alright also. Two songs though, does not an album make. Arrival has at least six or seven songs I can listen to on a regular basis. I think what ever writing formula the band used for Arrival should be used again. As good as Cain is at writing by himself, how many of his solo albums (and there's a bunch) has ever done anything? For every great song he authors, he's got a dozen stinkers.
Switch albums around and have Arnel on Arrival in 2008 and I think it scores in the Top ten albums of the year.


Augeri didn't write much on Arrival. If they were smart, they'd write with Perry. If he doesn't want to perform- fine, but writing with the band would pay big for him. Neither camp would entertain the idea.


Jack Blades had his hand in writing for ARRIVAL and Remember Me. Jack has a very good melodic writing skill about him. Plus jack can write very well with other artists, Tommy Shaw, Styx, Damn Yankees, Night Ranger, Journey, Aerosmith, Shaw/Blades. Bring Blades in as a (co)writer, and let him loose. Neal played on Jack's solo cd, some good tunes there.


It wasn't just Blades. There were other writers that helped write some great songs on there, too.

Title Writer(s) Length
1. "Higher Place" Jack Blades, Neal Schon 5:10
2. "All the Way" Schon, Jonathan Cain, Michael Rhodes, Steve Augeri 3:35
3. "Signs of Life" Schon, J. Cain, Elizabeth Cain 4:54
4. "All the Things" Schon, Cain, Andre Pessis 4:24
5. "Loved By You" Cain, Tammy Hyler, Tribble 4:03
6. "Livin' to Do" Schon, Matt Schon, Cain, Tribble 6:25
7. "World Gone Wild" Blades, Schon, Cain 6:00
8. "Intro: Red 13 / State of Grace" Jonathan Cain / Neal Schon, Cain, Steve Augeri 7:26
9. "With Your Love" Schon, J. Cain, E. Cain 4:25
10. "The Time" Schon, Cain, Augeri, Gary Cirimelli 6:25
11. "Live and Breathe" Schon, Cain, Augeri 5:15
12. "Walkin' Away from the Edge" Cain, Schon, Andre Pessis 6:16
13. "To Be Alive Again" Cain, Augeri, Tribble, Eric Bazilian 4:22
14. "Kiss Me Softly" Blades, Schon, Augeri 4:48
15. "We Will Meet Again" Schon, Augeri, Tribble 5:06


Ok, brilliant idea here; note above changes. We call it Arrival 13 Revisited with Arnel on Vocals. Since the majority have never heard either album, who will know the difference? and Presto Chango! Great new album! Credit to SA of course.
Wow! :D
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Postby Jana » Thu Jan 14, 2010 6:27 am

Since 78 wrote:
Jana wrote:
Abitaman wrote:
brywool wrote:
Gunbot wrote:To me, Arnel is the better singer. However, this isn't a karaoke contest, it's the material that counts. From that perspective, I believe Arrival to be heads and tails above Revelation. TDTWT is a great song and NWA is alright also. Two songs though, does not an album make. Arrival has at least six or seven songs I can listen to on a regular basis. I think what ever writing formula the band used for Arrival should be used again. As good as Cain is at writing by himself, how many of his solo albums (and there's a bunch) has ever done anything? For every great song he authors, he's got a dozen stinkers.
Switch albums around and have Arnel on Arrival in 2008 and I think it scores in the Top ten albums of the year.


Augeri didn't write much on Arrival. If they were smart, they'd write with Perry. If he doesn't want to perform- fine, but writing with the band would pay big for him. Neither camp would entertain the idea.


Jack Blades had his hand in writing for ARRIVAL and Remember Me. Jack has a very good melodic writing skill about him. Plus jack can write very well with other artists, Tommy Shaw, Styx, Damn Yankees, Night Ranger, Journey, Aerosmith, Shaw/Blades. Bring Blades in as a (co)writer, and let him loose. Neal played on Jack's solo cd, some good tunes there.


It wasn't just Blades. There were other writers that helped write some great songs on there, too.

Title Writer(s) Length
1. "Higher Place" Jack Blades, Neal Schon 5:10
2. "All the Way" Schon, Jonathan Cain, Michael Rhodes, Steve Augeri 3:35
3. "Signs of Life" Schon, J. Cain, Elizabeth Cain 4:54
4. "All the Things" Schon, Cain, Andre Pessis 4:24
5. "Loved By You" Cain, Tammy Hyler, Tribble 4:03
6. "Livin' to Do" Schon, Matt Schon, Cain, Tribble 6:25
7. "World Gone Wild" Blades, Schon, Cain 6:00
8. "Intro: Red 13 / State of Grace" Jonathan Cain / Neal Schon, Cain, Steve Augeri 7:26
9. "With Your Love" Schon, J. Cain, E. Cain 4:25
10. "The Time" Schon, Cain, Augeri, Gary Cirimelli 6:25
11. "Live and Breathe" Schon, Cain, Augeri 5:15
12. "Walkin' Away from the Edge" Cain, Schon, Andre Pessis 6:16
13. "To Be Alive Again" Cain, Augeri, Tribble, Eric Bazilian 4:22
14. "Kiss Me Softly" Blades, Schon, Augeri 4:48
15. "We Will Meet Again" Schon, Augeri, Tribble 5:06


Ok, brilliant idea here; note above changes. We call it Arrival 13 Revisited with Arnel on Vocals. Since the majority have never heard either album, who will know the difference? and Presto Chango! Great new album! Credit to SA of course.
Wow! :D

You're so right. I bought this CD for a neighbor I found out was a huge Journey fan in the '80s and adored, adored Perry. She had no idea who Augeri was or that Journey was around until all the publicity on Arnel started. She has fallen in love with this CD. Nobody knows about it that I know who were Journey fans long ago, even the few who went to a Journey concert and Augeri was the singer didn't know about the CD.
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Postby Don » Thu Jan 14, 2010 6:34 am

Jana wrote:
Since 78 wrote:
Jana wrote:
Abitaman wrote:
brywool wrote:
Gunbot wrote:To me, Arnel is the better singer. However, this isn't a karaoke contest, it's the material that counts. From that perspective, I believe Arrival to be heads and tails above Revelation. TDTWT is a great song and NWA is alright also. Two songs though, does not an album make. Arrival has at least six or seven songs I can listen to on a regular basis. I think what ever writing formula the band used for Arrival should be used again. As good as Cain is at writing by himself, how many of his solo albums (and there's a bunch) has ever done anything? For every great song he authors, he's got a dozen stinkers.
Switch albums around and have Arnel on Arrival in 2008 and I think it scores in the Top ten albums of the year.


Augeri didn't write much on Arrival. If they were smart, they'd write with Perry. If he doesn't want to perform- fine, but writing with the band would pay big for him. Neither camp would entertain the idea.


Jack Blades had his hand in writing for ARRIVAL and Remember Me. Jack has a very good melodic writing skill about him. Plus jack can write very well with other artists, Tommy Shaw, Styx, Damn Yankees, Night Ranger, Journey, Aerosmith, Shaw/Blades. Bring Blades in as a (co)writer, and let him loose. Neal played on Jack's solo cd, some good tunes there.


It wasn't just Blades. There were other writers that helped write some great songs on there, too.

Title Writer(s) Length
1. "Higher Place" Jack Blades, Neal Schon 5:10
2. "All the Way" Schon, Jonathan Cain, Michael Rhodes, Steve Augeri 3:35
3. "Signs of Life" Schon, J. Cain, Elizabeth Cain 4:54
4. "All the Things" Schon, Cain, Andre Pessis 4:24
5. "Loved By You" Cain, Tammy Hyler, Tribble 4:03
6. "Livin' to Do" Schon, Matt Schon, Cain, Tribble 6:25
7. "World Gone Wild" Blades, Schon, Cain 6:00
8. "Intro: Red 13 / State of Grace" Jonathan Cain / Neal Schon, Cain, Steve Augeri 7:26
9. "With Your Love" Schon, J. Cain, E. Cain 4:25
10. "The Time" Schon, Cain, Augeri, Gary Cirimelli 6:25
11. "Live and Breathe" Schon, Cain, Augeri 5:15
12. "Walkin' Away from the Edge" Cain, Schon, Andre Pessis 6:16
13. "To Be Alive Again" Cain, Augeri, Tribble, Eric Bazilian 4:22
14. "Kiss Me Softly" Blades, Schon, Augeri 4:48
15. "We Will Meet Again" Schon, Augeri, Tribble 5:06


Ok, brilliant idea here; note above changes. We call it Arrival 13 Revisited with Arnel on Vocals. Since the majority have never heard either album, who will know the difference? and Presto Chango! Great new album! Credit to SA of course.
Wow! :D

You're so right. I bought this CD for a neighbor I found out was a huge Journey fan in the '80s and adored, adored Perry. She had no idea who Augeri was or that Journey was around until all the publicity on Arnel started. She has fallen in love with this CD. Nobody knows about it that I know who were Journey fans long ago, even the few who went to a Journey concert and Augeri was the singer didn't know about the CD.


I'd love to see Augeri keep getting royalties but really, for a band to have retreads on two consecutive albums, isn't that a bad sign? Although Bon Jovi, U2 and AC/DC's last album may be subpar, they still keep moving forward with their material. For a band to do it once can be accepted. For a band to do it on two albums in a row really gives the impression that they don't have anything new to offer and are only in it for the money.

Weren't the European and Japanese bonus tracks For Revelation Augeri retreads also?
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Postby Jana » Thu Jan 14, 2010 6:39 am

Gunbot wrote:
Jana wrote:
Since 78 wrote:
Jana wrote:
Abitaman wrote:
brywool wrote:
Gunbot wrote:To me, Arnel is the better singer. However, this isn't a karaoke contest, it's the material that counts. From that perspective, I believe Arrival to be heads and tails above Revelation. TDTWT is a great song and NWA is alright also. Two songs though, does not an album make. Arrival has at least six or seven songs I can listen to on a regular basis. I think what ever writing formula the band used for Arrival should be used again. As good as Cain is at writing by himself, how many of his solo albums (and there's a bunch) has ever done anything? For every great song he authors, he's got a dozen stinkers.
Switch albums around and have Arnel on Arrival in 2008 and I think it scores in the Top ten albums of the year.


Augeri didn't write much on Arrival. If they were smart, they'd write with Perry. If he doesn't want to perform- fine, but writing with the band would pay big for him. Neither camp would entertain the idea.


Jack Blades had his hand in writing for ARRIVAL and Remember Me. Jack has a very good melodic writing skill about him. Plus jack can write very well with other artists, Tommy Shaw, Styx, Damn Yankees, Night Ranger, Journey, Aerosmith, Shaw/Blades. Bring Blades in as a (co)writer, and let him loose. Neal played on Jack's solo cd, some good tunes there.


It wasn't just Blades. There were other writers that helped write some great songs on there, too.

Title Writer(s) Length
1. "Higher Place" Jack Blades, Neal Schon 5:10
2. "All the Way" Schon, Jonathan Cain, Michael Rhodes, Steve Augeri 3:35
3. "Signs of Life" Schon, J. Cain, Elizabeth Cain 4:54
4. "All the Things" Schon, Cain, Andre Pessis 4:24
5. "Loved By You" Cain, Tammy Hyler, Tribble 4:03
6. "Livin' to Do" Schon, Matt Schon, Cain, Tribble 6:25
7. "World Gone Wild" Blades, Schon, Cain 6:00
8. "Intro: Red 13 / State of Grace" Jonathan Cain / Neal Schon, Cain, Steve Augeri 7:26
9. "With Your Love" Schon, J. Cain, E. Cain 4:25
10. "The Time" Schon, Cain, Augeri, Gary Cirimelli 6:25
11. "Live and Breathe" Schon, Cain, Augeri 5:15
12. "Walkin' Away from the Edge" Cain, Schon, Andre Pessis 6:16
13. "To Be Alive Again" Cain, Augeri, Tribble, Eric Bazilian 4:22
14. "Kiss Me Softly" Blades, Schon, Augeri 4:48
15. "We Will Meet Again" Schon, Augeri, Tribble 5:06


Ok, brilliant idea here; note above changes. We call it Arrival 13 Revisited with Arnel on Vocals. Since the majority have never heard either album, who will know the difference? and Presto Chango! Great new album! Credit to SA of course.
Wow! :D

You're so right. I bought this CD for a neighbor I found out was a huge Journey fan in the '80s and adored, adored Perry. She had no idea who Augeri was or that Journey was around until all the publicity on Arnel started. She has fallen in love with this CD. Nobody knows about it that I know who were Journey fans long ago, even the few who went to a Journey concert and Augeri was the singer didn't know about the CD.


I'd love to see Augeri keep getting royalties but really, for a band to have retreads on two consecutive albums, isn't that a bad sign? Although Bon Jovi, U2 and AC/DC's last album may be subpar, they still keep moving forward with their material. For a band to do it once can be accepted. For a band to do it on two albums in a row really gives the impression that they don't have anything new to offer and are only in it for the money.

I think we were joking. :lol:
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Postby Don » Thu Jan 14, 2010 6:40 am

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I obviously forgot my humor card today.
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Postby Since 78 » Thu Jan 14, 2010 6:48 am

Gunbot wrote:[

I obviously forgot my humor card today.


Obviously :lol: But hey, it would have been a great idea for the Revelation Package instead of the Dirty 11.
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Postby stevew2 » Thu Jan 14, 2010 8:20 am

thats one of his best live concerts
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Postby parfait » Thu Jan 14, 2010 8:32 am

stevew2 wrote:
thats one of his best live concerts


That was fucking awesome!
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Postby stevew2 » Thu Jan 14, 2010 8:52 am

parfait wrote:
stevew2 wrote:
thats one of his best live concerts


That was fucking awesome!
thats how ill remember him
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Postby marco17 » Fri Jan 15, 2010 2:24 am

Here's Augeri doing Message of Love in 2001...Not a song you find online too often. No video, just audio. Figured I'd post the link I found since we're talking about him some more these days.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iklR9Rv2KvM
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Postby stevew2 » Fri Jan 15, 2010 4:31 am

He opened with it when first journey (since sp)won me over by the chrous
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Re: Is Steve Augeri tone deaf?

Postby Luvsaugeri » Sat Jan 16, 2010 12:03 am

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daytrpr wrote:Don't mean to be a jerk - I actually much prefer Augeri's vocal qualities to Arnel's


Seriously? Wow. I don't know ANYONE who feels that way. Arnel is ten times better in every respect than Augieri was at his best.


Add me to the list of those who prefer Augeri's vocals. BTW....I know ALOT of people that feel that way.

So to each his own I guess.

And you last statement is your opinion....not fact.
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Re: Is Steve Augeri tone deaf?

Postby donnaplease » Sun Jan 17, 2010 12:29 am

Luvsaugeri wrote:
7 Wishes wrote:
daytrpr wrote:Don't mean to be a jerk - I actually much prefer Augeri's vocal qualities to Arnel's


Seriously? Wow. I don't know ANYONE who feels that way. Arnel is ten times better in every respect than Augieri was at his best.


Add me to the list of those who prefer Augeri's vocals. BTW....I know ALOT of people that feel that way.

So to each his own I guess.

And you last statement is your opinion....not fact.


I think at least one area that SA trumps Arnel (IMO, anyway) is stage presence. I haven't seen any clip of Arnel where I found his presence to be stellar. It's a big turn off for me personally, but I do think Arnel has a much stronger, richer voice than SA. Doesn't mean I prefer it, per se', just think it more powerful.
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Re: Is Steve Augeri tone deaf?

Postby Jana » Sun Jan 17, 2010 1:49 am

donnaplease wrote:
Luvsaugeri wrote:
7 Wishes wrote:
daytrpr wrote:Don't mean to be a jerk - I actually much prefer Augeri's vocal qualities to Arnel's


Seriously? Wow. I don't know ANYONE who feels that way. Arnel is ten times better in every respect than Augieri was at his best.


Add me to the list of those who prefer Augeri's vocals. BTW....I know ALOT of people that feel that way.

So to each his own I guess.

And you last statement is your opinion....not fact.


I think at least one area that SA trumps Arnel (IMO, anyway) is stage presence. I haven't seen any clip of Arnel where I found his presence to be stellar. It's a big turn off for me personally, but I do think Arnel has a much stronger, richer voice than SA. Doesn't mean I prefer it, per se', just think it more powerful.


SA has a nice stage presence and comes across well, a little low energy, but I think I'm the only one that hates his wiggle thing he does on stage. :wink:
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Re: Is Steve Augeri tone deaf?

Postby donnaplease » Sun Jan 17, 2010 9:05 am

Jana wrote:
donnaplease wrote:
Luvsaugeri wrote:
7 Wishes wrote:
daytrpr wrote:Don't mean to be a jerk - I actually much prefer Augeri's vocal qualities to Arnel's


Seriously? Wow. I don't know ANYONE who feels that way. Arnel is ten times better in every respect than Augieri was at his best.


Add me to the list of those who prefer Augeri's vocals. BTW....I know ALOT of people that feel that way.

So to each his own I guess.

And you last statement is your opinion....not fact.


I think at least one area that SA trumps Arnel (IMO, anyway) is stage presence. I haven't seen any clip of Arnel where I found his presence to be stellar. It's a big turn off for me personally, but I do think Arnel has a much stronger, richer voice than SA. Doesn't mean I prefer it, per se', just think it more powerful.


SA has a nice stage presence and comes across well, a little low energy, but I think I'm the only one that hates his wiggle thing he does on stage. :wink:


I'm not a 'wiggler' either , Jana. :twisted: I just think Arnel tries a little too hard. It might be my fault (well, people like me anyway) who commented early on that he just stood there with no energy whatsoever (in the YT clips), that caused him to overcompensate. IDK. :)
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Re: Is Steve Augeri tone deaf?

Postby Jana » Sun Jan 17, 2010 9:12 am

donnaplease wrote:
Jana wrote:
donnaplease wrote:
Luvsaugeri wrote:
7 Wishes wrote:
daytrpr wrote:Don't mean to be a jerk - I actually much prefer Augeri's vocal qualities to Arnel's


Seriously? Wow. I don't know ANYONE who feels that way. Arnel is ten times better in every respect than Augieri was at his best.


Add me to the list of those who prefer Augeri's vocals. BTW....I know ALOT of people that feel that way.

So to each his own I guess.

And you last statement is your opinion....not fact.


I think at least one area that SA trumps Arnel (IMO, anyway) is stage presence. I haven't seen any clip of Arnel where I found his presence to be stellar. It's a big turn off for me personally, but I do think Arnel has a much stronger, richer voice than SA. Doesn't mean I prefer it, per se', just think it more powerful.


SA has a nice stage presence and comes across well, a little low energy, but I think I'm the only one that hates his wiggle thing he does on stage. :wink:


I'm not a 'wiggler' either , Jana. :twisted: I just think Arnel tries a little too hard. It might be my fault (well, people like me anyway) who commented early on that he just stood there with no energy whatsoever (in the YT clips), that caused him to overcompensate. IDK. :)


It is, Donna. It's all your fault. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Is Steve Augeri tone deaf?

Postby annie89509 » Sun Jan 17, 2010 9:36 am

Jana wrote:[quote="donnaplease
SA has a nice stage presence and comes across well, a little low energy, but I think I'm the only one that hates his wiggle thing he does on stage. :wink:

Uh-oh, don't let JfromB see this :lol:
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Re: Is Steve Augeri tone deaf?

Postby Jana » Sun Jan 17, 2010 10:04 am

annie89509 wrote:
Jana wrote:[quote="donnaplease
SA has a nice stage presence and comes across well, a little low energy, but I think I'm the only one that hates his wiggle thing he does on stage. :wink:

Uh-oh, don't let JfromB see this :lol:


LOL. But what am I saying? I just love Dave's signature hip action, and it's -- well, different. :shock: :lol: Check out 2:37 mark and 4:00 mark. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFe6oqtjD_8
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Postby Voyager » Mon Jan 18, 2010 5:56 pm

Augeri sounded awesome when he was singing in a key that fits his voice:

Higher Place: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2v8cYJGW9kc

All The Way: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCbZK_IBNt4

There are definitely better Steve Perry impersonators out there, but Augeri did great on Arrival. I would stick it in my CD player before Revelations for sure.

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Postby StephenWJ » Wed Jan 20, 2010 7:27 am

Voyager wrote: Augeri did great on Arrival. I would stick it in my CD player before Revelations for sure.

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Postby Jana » Wed Jan 20, 2010 7:40 am

Voyager wrote:Augeri sounded awesome when he was singing in a key that fits his voice:

Higher Place: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2v8cYJGW9kc

All The Way: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCbZK_IBNt4

There are definitely better Steve Perry impersonators out there, but Augeri did great on Arrival. I would stick it in my CD player before Revelations for sure.

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I would stick it in my CD player before Evolution and Trial By Fire, and do. :lol:
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Postby 7 Wishes » Wed Jan 20, 2010 11:09 am

Arrival has more great songs than Revelation, but Arnel's performance dwarfs Augieri's.
But around town, it was well known...when they got home at night
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Postby Voyager » Wed Jan 20, 2010 12:39 pm

7 Wishes wrote:Arrival has more great songs than Revelation, but Arnel's performance dwarfs Augieri's.


In a way that's like saying Bryan Adams' performance dwarfed Mick Jagger's. They are both great artists in their own right, and I am sure they both gave 200% in their performance. But if we're talking about a contest for who sounds more like Steve Perry, Arnel takes the trophy for sure. I'm sure that's why Neal Schon had Arnel re-record the classics instead of Steve Augeri. It was Neal's way of saying, "This guy sounds like Steve Perry." There is no other way to interpret the decision to have Arnel record cover versions of the Journey classics.

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Re: Is Steve Augeri tone deaf?

Postby Rip Rokken » Wed Jan 20, 2010 8:40 pm

Jana wrote:Sounds on key to me on that link. Maybe to a musician or singer it sounds different, but, to me, just an average listener, he sounds great.


I doubt musicians or singers with any experience would need to query the plebs on this topic.

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Postby Rip Rokken » Wed Jan 20, 2010 9:44 pm

maverick218 wrote:... to his defense, if the monitors aren't set up right, you can't hear yourself properly (I don't know in this case- I'll give him the benefit of the doubt).


swataz wrote:
brywool wrote:
Freddie Mercury also had sketchy live pitch, by the way. You can find many videos of Queen live where he's horrendously sharp or flat.


Same could be said for Judas Priest's Rob Halford, who actually owned up to some horrible performances and said that in the old days before he wore ear monitors (and before they were in widespread use), it was impossible to even hear himself. Freddie was also from that era.

I can tell you from singing in many a shitty studio jam that if you can't hear yourself, you are going to be pitchy as hell.


BINGO to both of ya's. Being able to hear yourself is everything to many singers. John Schlitt from Petra is one of my favorites, and he's talked about how he kept blowing his voice out in the first few songs during their initial gigs together -- found out their soundman wasn't giving him what he needed and he was just oversinging to compensate. They replaced the soundman and it was gravy after that. Any time I've sang live, I've always needed really strong monitor output, and who knows what it was like at this Christmas gig? I remember when I sang a Stryper ballad with the Zoo Band in Makati, I realized that I could barely hear myself at all -- just what was reflecting off the walls, and that was scary. I tried to guide myself by going by the feel of the vibrations in my throat and it helped. Hey, I knew I was totally outclassed by those guys -- they are GREAT -- but luckily it came off very well with the audience. We got such a loud, positive response from the room they asked if I would do another but we ran out of time before I could find something in their set list I knew well enough... LOL. Anyway, when I got home I watched a video taken from my small, cheap digital camera and realized that any time the guitars and drums really kicked in, I came off a little flat and sounded much thinner and I was like, "OUCH!". I was REALLY disappointed, but everyone who was there said I knocked it flat out of the park.

The moral of the story (in my opinion anyway) is that live performances are meant to be heard and enjoyed live, and with the volume and the room's ambiance MOST PEOPLE DO NOT NOTICE that stuff unless you make a pretty major mistake. They really aren't meant to be captured by wallet-sized cameras with pinhole microphones and thrown up on YouTube.


marco17 wrote:I think we're just a picky bunch. There are a lot of musicians who are on the boards. Most of the average fans like me don't notice all this stuff and are happy with what we hear.


I'm with you man, but unfortunately shows like American Idol have created too many armchair Simons who don't seem to understand that not every performance is a singing competition. As for Steve, I've seen him live from two feet away at JTTC two years in a row and he's been fantastic every time. Speaking of American Idol, I remember Bette Midler's guest performance of "Wind Beneath My Wings", and it was horribly pitchy. I wondered what Simon was thinking while watching it.
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Postby Abitaman » Thu Jan 21, 2010 8:26 pm

Rip Rokken wrote:
The moral of the story (in my opinion anyway) is that live performances are meant to be heard and enjoyed live, and with the volume and the room's ambiance MOST PEOPLE DO NOT NOTICE that stuff unless you make a pretty major mistake. They really aren't meant to be captured by wallet-sized cameras with pinhole microphones and thrown up on YouTube.


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Best thing said in years!!!!!!!!!
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Postby Its Me » Fri Jan 22, 2010 8:35 am

Abitaman wrote:
Rip Rokken wrote:
The moral of the story (in my opinion anyway) is that live performances are meant to be heard and enjoyed live, and with the volume and the room's ambiance MOST PEOPLE DO NOT NOTICE that stuff unless you make a pretty major mistake. They really aren't meant to be captured by wallet-sized cameras with pinhole microphones and thrown up on YouTube.

As for Steve, I've seen him live from two feet away at JTTC two years in a row and he's been fantastic every time.
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Best thing said in years!!!!!!!!!


I agree, also have seen him the past two years at JTTC, he sounds great! 8)
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