The 2008 US Presidential Election Thread

[strangegrey]

That isn't a problem with the right. That is a problem with the RINOs and neo-cons. You're angry at the wrong people. Right is right.

Tito....John DisDain is the biggest RINO on the face of the fucking planet....wake up. You're voting for a guy that's going to do more damage to the republican party than George W bush ever did...

[Tito]

That isn't a problem with the right. That is a problem with the RINOs and neo-cons. You're angry at the wrong people. Right is right.

Tito....John DisDain is the biggest RINO on the face of the fucking planet....wake up. You're voting for a guy that's going to do more damage to the republican party than George W bush ever did...

I voted for Bob Barr, bro. Debated between him and Chuck Baldwin (Constitution Party) but I figured Libertarian party would have a better vote total. However, I did vote for the Constitution Party candidate Chad Koppie for U.S. Senate.

[strangegrey]

Third, I truly honestly believe that Barack Obama will do a better job governing this country than John DisDain.

Obama has never governed or managed anything. He is a career politican and a college lecturer. Grant it, McCain sucks too.

Second, I like Juan McCain better than John DisDain.

Tito, listen....We were able to catch a glimpse of what kind of leader McCain would be vs Obama, during the economic crisis.

The crisis happens....McCain drops everything, cancels every appearance (but stops by for a news interview with Katie Couric and has an elaborate dinner), runs back to Washington, makes sure the cameras follow him all the way down to the Congressional subway....puts on a great show for how much of a leader he is....

and the first bill that gets presented to the house, under his great leadership....fails.

The second one, presented to the senate, passes. A bill HE voted for, despite the added 150 billion dollars of hated pork spending....something a John McCain president claims he would veto, at every turn.



Meanwhile, Obama stayed out of it until requested to visit washington by the president. He met with economic advisors and resisted any possible urge to jump into the scenario and throw his 'game plan' into the ring. He clearly appeared, to me, as someone that wanted to understand this financial crisis before rushing to a decission. This crisis is COMPLEX in ways that you will never understand...and 99.9999% of the public as well. For someone like Obama to hold back and spend time thinking it through, suggests to me that he would be far LESS trigger happy leader.

McCain, showed nothing but political pandering...and a propensity to rush to judgment. Not leadership qualities at all....

[conversationpc]

Meanwhile, Obama stayed out of it until requested to visit washington by the president. He met with economic advisors and resisted any possible urge to jump into the scenario and throw his 'game plan' into the ring. He clearly appeared, to me, as someone that wanted to understand this financial crisis before rushing to a decission. This crisis is COMPLEX in ways that you will never understand...and 99.9999% of the public as well. For someone like Obama to hold back and spend time thinking it through, suggests to me that he would be far LESS trigger happy leader.

I seriously don't think ANY of our representatives or senators thought that much about the bill. They were all too happy to pass the second, pork-laden, version, which wasn't really much better than the first.

[Tito]

In fairness, I think Obama wanted no part of it and wanted to stay out of it. He got dragged into it after McCain did mismanage it and forced a meeting with the President. Nothing Obama did help pass the bill or was he part of the solution as bad as it was. So, that by default is a win for Obama.

I do understand how f'd up the situation was. I've seen this coming for years as others did i.e. the Ron Pauls of the world and other true conservative economists. Do I know every single detail -no. But this was ticking time bomb.

[Tito]

First President Obama joke:

THE USGA WOULD LIKE TO INFORM ALL GOLFERS:

There is a possibility of MAJOR rule changes to the game of golf, this may occur sometime after November 4.

This is only a preview as the complete rule book is being written now.Here are a couple of basic changes.


Golfers with handicaps:

- below 10 will have their green fees increase by 35%

- between 11 and 18 will see no increase in green fees

- above 18 will play for free and even get a check from the club/course played


The $ amount put in for bets will be as follows:

-for handicaps below 10 an additional $10

-between 11 and 18 no additional amount

-above 18 you will receive the total amount in the pot and you do not even have to play.


The term “gimme putt” will be changed to “entitlement” and will be used as follows:

-handicaps below 10, no entitlements

-handicaps above 11 to 17, entitlements for putter length putts

-handicaps above 18, if on green, no need to ever putt, just pick it up

These entitlements are intended to bring about fairness in scoring so that the final scores of all players will be about the same.

In addition, a Player will be limited to a max of one birdie and/or six pars, any excess must be given to those fellow players who have not yet scored a birdie or par. Only after all players have received a birdie or par from the player making the birdie or par, can that Player begin to count his score again.

The current USGA handicap system will be used for the above purposes but the term "net score" will be available only for scoring those players with handicaps 18 and above.

This is intended to "redistribute" the success of winning by making sure that in every competition the above 18 handicap players will post only "net score" against every other player's gross score.

These new Rules are intended to CHANGE the game of golf. Golf must be about Fairness Only, it should have nothing to do with Ability.

[Enigma869]

"Joe the Plumber" was not only not-licensed (which is something he would need, if he were to BUY the business he claims he wouldn't be able to do with Obama as president). Not only that, he wasn't anywhere NEAR making 250k per year

You forgot to mention that his name isn't even Joe


John from Boston

[Enigma869]

I seriously don't think ANY of our representatives or senators thought that much about the bill. They were all too happy to pass the second, pork-laden, version, which wasn't really much better than the first.

I agree with this. My issue with McCain's stance on this issue was the shameless polticial grandstanding. It was embarrassing!


John from Boston

[conversationpc]

"Joe the Plumber" was not only not-licensed (which is something he would need, if he were to BUY the business he claims he wouldn't be able to do with Obama as president). Not only that, he wasn't anywhere NEAR making 250k per year

You forgot to mention that his name isn't even Joe


John from Boston

I don't think he ever claimed to be making $250,000 year, which is something the lefties distorted. He also never claimed to be licensed but is working under his boss's license and is most of the way towards earning his own license.

[Lula]

And yea, that's me. Half-drunk.

Not hitting on you, but I'd like to point out that you're a cutie.

i agree. too bad you're a republican tho .

thanks for the wyatt compliment. he is absolutely loving mischief and i don't blame him

[conversationpc]

And yea, that's me. Half-drunk.

Not hitting on you, but I'd like to point out that you're a cutie.

i agree. too bad you're a republican tho .

Is there some possible lesbo action going on here?

thanks for the wyatt compliment. he is absolutely loving mischief and i don't blame him

Sounds a lot like Dean.

[strangegrey]

In fairness, I think Obama wanted no part of it and wanted to stay out of it. He got dragged into it after McCain did mismanage it and forced a meeting with the President. Nothing Obama did help pass the bill or was he part of the solution as bad as it was. So, that by default is a win for Obama.

Tito, if you were running for president, would you want anything to do with this bill? There isn't a smart person in the world that would want to be associated with it, while running for president. How on earth does a presidential candidate who's desperately trying to disassociate himself with the sitting president, run back to washington in a desperate show of political grandstanding to sign a bill presented by the current presidential administration....loaded with 150 billion in earmarks, which is something that McCain has a major campaign promise to "veto on every turn"....

For a presidential candidate to break a campaign promise before election day...is laughable.

McCain doesn't deserve the presidency on that one act.


McCain gave Obama an early christmas gift with his conduct during the crisis. McCain exposed several weaknesses during the scenario.

First, it was clear that McCain rushes into judgment.
Second, it was made abundantly clear that McCain engages in political grandstanding of unparalleled distaste.
Third, It was also made clear that McCain is more than willing to let the prevailing political winds dictate his voting (something I've known for years)....
Forth, McCain in rushing back to washington, demanding that the bill get passed (in a desperate effort to feign leadership), exposed his support for this bill, despite the content (i.e. earmarks or no earmarks)....that enabled the democrats to gear back enough support for the first bill, have the senate dems write an amended bill that contained 150 billion in pok....and force McCain to sign it.

In his desperate effort to feign leadership qualities he doesn't otherwise have, McCain exposed weakness and position...showing that he actually doesn't have leadership...and he allowed himself to get hoodwinked by congress. I don't want a president that tips his position to adversaries. He's not ready to fight. He doesn't know what it means...Because if he did, he would have likely maintained a cooler hand in the face of crisis.

Instead, he just showed how dreadfully unprepared he is to lead this country out of financial crisis, steer us around international crisis in israel and
steer us out of crisis in iraq.....

I do understand how f'd up the situation was. I've seen this coming for years as others did i.e. the Ron Pauls of the world and other true conservative economists. Do I know every single detail -no. But this was ticking time bomb.

Well, the point I'm trying to make is that you might see a problem coming...but I doubt you or many people not knee deep in finance or accounting would clearly understand the inner workings of some of these mortgage backed securities and derivatives. It's complex shit...and the point I'm trying to make is that in order to fix a problem, you need to understand it first.

I blame the majority of congress for throwing 850 billion dollars at a problem they don't fully understand. That's one of the MAJOR reasons why the market continued to tank after the bailout. It's clear that the solution presented by congress was NOT well thought out...and as a result, market confidence continued to tank....

[strangegrey]

I seriously don't think ANY of our representatives or senators thought that much about the bill. They were all too happy to pass the second, pork-laden, version, which wasn't really much better than the first.

I agree with this. My issue with McCain's stance on this issue was the shameless polticial grandstanding. It was embarrassing!

This is why I can't vote for him....It comes back to this very issue. I dont want a president to treat a national crisis as a political opportunity for gain. Thats EXACTLY what McCain did during the crisis. He feigned leadership in an effort to derive a political gain from it....Thankfully it backfired.

People can trace in the polls, the seperation between Obama and McCain to this point in the financial crisis. What I truly believe is that the reason for the seperation is not that people think McCain is less suited to handle the economy.....

but that he SHOWED the american people that he is less suited to handle the economy with his actions.



Like I've said. His actions not only were distasteful, because he tried to turn people losing billions into political gain....but he was played like a bitch by congressional adversaries...NOT presidential.

[Rhiannon]

Is there some possible lesbo action going on here?

Where for shit's sake did you deduce that one, Watson? Ehwmatt is a *dude*.

[Ehwmatt]

Is there some possible lesbo action going on here?

Where for shit's sake did you deduce that one, Watson? Ehwmatt is a *dude*.

Last I checked at least... let's see.....






Yep, still am.

[Don]

Is there some possible lesbo action going on here?

Where for shit's sake did you deduce that one, Watson? Ehwmatt is a *dude*.

I guess it really does make you go blind.

[Tito]

"Joe the Plumber" was not only not-licensed (which is something he would need, if he were to BUY the business he claims he wouldn't be able to do with Obama as president). Not only that, he wasn't anywhere NEAR making 250k per year

You forgot to mention that his name isn't even Joe


John from Boston

Again, Joe or Sam is NOT the issue. Obama's answer IS the issue.

[Tito]

In fairness, I think Obama wanted no part of it and wanted to stay out of it. He got dragged into it after McCain did mismanage it and forced a meeting with the President. Nothing Obama did help pass the bill or was he part of the solution as bad as it was. So, that by default is a win for Obama.

Tito, if you were running for president, would you want anything to do with this bill? There isn't a smart person in the world that would want to be associated with it, while running for president. How on earth does a presidential candidate who's desperately trying to disassociate himself with the sitting president, run back to washington in a desperate show of political grandstanding to sign a bill presented by the current presidential administration....loaded with 150 billion in earmarks, which is something that McCain has a major campaign promise to "veto on every turn"....

For a presidential candidate to break a campaign promise before election day...is laughable.

McCain doesn't deserve the presidency on that one act.


McCain gave Obama an early christmas gift with his conduct during the crisis. McCain exposed several weaknesses during the scenario.

First, it was clear that McCain rushes into judgment.
Second, it was made abundantly clear that McCain engages in political grandstanding of unparalleled distaste.
Third, It was also made clear that McCain is more than willing to let the prevailing political winds dictate his voting (something I've known for years)....
Forth, McCain in rushing back to washington, demanding that the bill get passed (in a desperate effort to feign leadership), exposed his support for this bill, despite the content (i.e. earmarks or no earmarks)....that enabled the democrats to gear back enough support for the first bill, have the senate dems write an amended bill that contained 150 billion in pok....and force McCain to sign it.

In his desperate effort to feign leadership qualities he doesn't otherwise have, McCain exposed weakness and position...showing that he actually doesn't have leadership...and he allowed himself to get hoodwinked by congress. I don't want a president that tips his position to adversaries. He's not ready to fight. He doesn't know what it means...Because if he did, he would have likely maintained a cooler hand in the face of crisis.

Instead, he just showed how dreadfully unprepared he is to lead this country out of financial crisis, steer us around international crisis in israel and
steer us out of crisis in iraq.....

I do understand how f'd up the situation was. I've seen this coming for years as others did i.e. the Ron Pauls of the world and other true conservative economists. Do I know every single detail -no. But this was ticking time bomb.

Well, the point I'm trying to make is that you might see a problem coming...but I doubt you or many people not knee deep in finance or accounting would clearly understand the inner workings of some of these mortgage backed securities and derivatives. It's complex shit...and the point I'm trying to make is that in order to fix a problem, you need to understand it first.

I blame the majority of congress for throwing 850 billion dollars at a problem they don't fully understand. That's one of the MAJOR reasons why the market continued to tank after the bailout. It's clear that the solution presented by congress was NOT well thought out...and as a result, market confidence continued to tank....

I agree this was McCain grandstanding and it backfired. My point was Obama was not waiting to understand the issue before jumping in. He was trying to not get involved...which was a smart political move.

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[Ehwmatt]

Just in on Drudge: EXIT POLLS CLAIM 'OBAMA +15' IN PA... DEVELOPING...

I know the exit polls tend to skewer towards Dems a bit, but +15 is hard to imagine being completely off...

[strangegrey]

I agree this was McCain grandstanding and it backfired. My point was Obama was not waiting to understand the issue before jumping in. He was trying to not get involved...which was a smart political move.

What the hell's the difference??...in the meanwhile, he consulted with some of the smartest investorment minds in the country to grasp the problem, while staying as far away from washington as possible. During that time frame, he showed some intelligence, some poise and some restraint.

On the flip side, McCain tried to turn a 40% loss nightmare for most stock and 401k investors in this country, into a political gain for himself. If I didn't already have a clear picture of the kind of dishonest, scumbag character John McCain has....the grandstanding could paint a very clear picture of his character.


When Israel bombs the piss out of Iran, and they will...I've been directing my readings to this budding crisis over the past few weeks...I don't want someone like John McCain to jump right in, fire up the bombers and tell them to level Tehran....without first analizing the problem with his top advisors before acting. That is PRECISELY what the Hayseed douchebreath currently stinking up the white house would do...and I don't see McCain doing things ANY differently.

[Jana]

Frank, you are on fire tonight. Great posts.

[hoagiepete]

First President Obama joke:

THE USGA WOULD LIKE TO INFORM ALL GOLFERS:

There is a possibility of MAJOR rule changes to the game of golf, this may occur sometime after November 4.

This is only a preview as the complete rule book is being written now.Here are a couple of basic changes.


Golfers with handicaps:

- below 10 will have their green fees increase by 35%

- between 11 and 18 will see no increase in green fees

- above 18 will play for free and even get a check from the club/course played


The $ amount put in for bets will be as follows:

-for handicaps below 10 an additional $10

-between 11 and 18 no additional amount

-above 18 you will receive the total amount in the pot and you do not even have to play.


The term “gimme putt” will be changed to “entitlement” and will be used as follows:

-handicaps below 10, no entitlements

-handicaps above 11 to 17, entitlements for putter length putts

-handicaps above 18, if on green, no need to ever putt, just pick it up

These entitlements are intended to bring about fairness in scoring so that the final scores of all players will be about the same.

In addition, a Player will be limited to a max of one birdie and/or six pars, any excess must be given to those fellow players who have not yet scored a birdie or par. Only after all players have received a birdie or par from the player making the birdie or par, can that Player begin to count his score again.

The current USGA handicap system will be used for the above purposes but the term "net score" will be available only for scoring those players with handicaps 18 and above.

This is intended to "redistribute" the success of winning by making sure that in every competition the above 18 handicap players will post only "net score" against every other player's gross score.

These new Rules are intended to CHANGE the game of golf. Golf must be about Fairness Only, it should have nothing to do with Ability.

Shit. I am a 10. Where do I fit in?? I guess there will be no place for me with the new administration.

[Tito]

Just in on Drudge: EXIT POLLS CLAIM 'OBAMA +15' IN PA... DEVELOPING...

I know the exit polls tend to skewer towards Dems a bit, but +15 is hard to imagine being completely off...

I don't think it will be that big but never the less ballgame.

[strangegrey]

First President Obama joke:

THE USGA WOULD LIKE TO INFORM ALL GOLFERS:

There is a possibility of MAJOR rule changes to the game of golf, this may occur sometime after November 4.

This is only a preview as the complete rule book is being written now.Here are a couple of basic changes.


Golfers with handicaps:

- below 10 will have their green fees increase by 35%

- between 11 and 18 will see no increase in green fees

- above 18 will play for free and even get a check from the club/course played


The $ amount put in for bets will be as follows:

-for handicaps below 10 an additional $10

-between 11 and 18 no additional amount

-above 18 you will receive the total amount in the pot and you do not even have to play.


The term “gimme putt” will be changed to “entitlement” and will be used as follows:

-handicaps below 10, no entitlements

-handicaps above 11 to 17, entitlements for putter length putts

-handicaps above 18, if on green, no need to ever putt, just pick it up

These entitlements are intended to bring about fairness in scoring so that the final scores of all players will be about the same.

In addition, a Player will be limited to a max of one birdie and/or six pars, any excess must be given to those fellow players who have not yet scored a birdie or par. Only after all players have received a birdie or par from the player making the birdie or par, can that Player begin to count his score again.

The current USGA handicap system will be used for the above purposes but the term "net score" will be available only for scoring those players with handicaps 18 and above.

This is intended to "redistribute" the success of winning by making sure that in every competition the above 18 handicap players will post only "net score" against every other player's gross score.

These new Rules are intended to CHANGE the game of golf. Golf must be about Fairness Only, it should have nothing to do with Ability.

Shit. I am a 10. Where do I fit in?? I guess there will be no place for me with the new administration.

The great thing about this..is I'm about an 18. Looks like I'm the golfer equivalent of a welfare baby!!!

[Tito]

Tito, if you were running for president,

Would you vote for me?

[strangegrey]

Just in on Drudge: EXIT POLLS CLAIM 'OBAMA +15' IN PA... DEVELOPING...

I know the exit polls tend to skewer towards Dems a bit, but +15 is hard to imagine being completely off...

never trust the exit polls.....that's what got the Dems in trouble last time...

Let's wait until the true returns come in....

[strangegrey]

Tito, if you were running for president,

Would you vote for me?

Depends on whether or not you picked a VP candidate for her brain and not her ass....

[Tito]

Tito, if you were running for president,

Would you vote for me?

Depends on whether or not you picked a VP candidate for her brain and not her ass....

Even in 4 more years with her experience by then?

[Ehwmatt]

Just in on Drudge: EXIT POLLS CLAIM 'OBAMA +15' IN PA... DEVELOPING...

I know the exit polls tend to skewer towards Dems a bit, but +15 is hard to imagine being completely off...

never trust the exit polls.....that's what got the Dems in trouble last time...

Let's wait until the true returns come in....

Yup I know, but still, +15 is huge. We will see, PA closes soon.