The 2008 US Presidential Election Thread
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by AlteredDNA » Wed Nov 05, 2008 9:17 am
Gunbot wrote:I thought exit polls would tend towards republicans this year as many Dems reportedly voted early.
Exit polls always trend toward Dems, since a much higher percentage are willing to even take them...
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by Rick » Wed Nov 05, 2008 9:59 am
Fact Finder wrote:Damn, you guys rang up 5 pages since this morning, good debate so far except for John, HIS NAME IS SAMUEL JOSEPH and he goes by FUCKING JOE! Get over it already.
Indiana polls are closing first in 10 minutes from now, HERE IT COMES....BOHICA!
Good Luck to all!
He goes by Fucking Joe? Is he in the porn industry?
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by Lula » Wed Nov 05, 2008 10:00 am
Rick wrote:Fact Finder wrote:Damn, you guys rang up 5 pages since this morning, good debate so far except for John, HIS NAME IS SAMUEL JOSEPH and he goes by FUCKING JOE! Get over it already.
Indiana polls are closing first in 10 minutes from now, HERE IT COMES....BOHICA!
Good Luck to all!
He goes by Fucking Joe? Is he in the porn industry?
he might be since he is no longer a working plumber
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by RossValoryRocks » Wed Nov 05, 2008 10:04 am
Gunbot wrote:8 to 3- McCain, so far.
McCain KENTUCKY
Obama VERMONT
As expected so far...
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by Rhiannon » Wed Nov 05, 2008 10:07 am
Lula wrote:Rick wrote:Fact Finder wrote:Damn, you guys rang up 5 pages since this morning, good debate so far except for John, HIS NAME IS SAMUEL JOSEPH and he goes by FUCKING JOE! Get over it already.
Indiana polls are closing first in 10 minutes from now, HERE IT COMES....BOHICA!
Good Luck to all!
He goes by Fucking Joe? Is he in the porn industry?
he might be since he is no longer a working plumber
He never said what kind of pipe he laid, did he?
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by Maui Tom » Wed Nov 05, 2008 10:09 am
Rhiannon wrote:Lula wrote:Rick wrote:Fact Finder wrote:Damn, you guys rang up 5 pages since this morning, good debate so far except for John, HIS NAME IS SAMUEL JOSEPH and he goes by FUCKING JOE! Get over it already.
Indiana polls are closing first in 10 minutes from now, HERE IT COMES....BOHICA!
Good Luck to all!
He goes by Fucking Joe? Is he in the porn industry?
he might be since he is no longer a working plumber
He never said what kind of pipe he laid, did he?
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by 7 Wishes » Wed Nov 05, 2008 10:12 am
WASHINGTON — A Republican computer consultant denied under oath Monday that he knew of any GOP effort to steal the 2004 election for President Bush by rigging Ohio's vote totals, an attorney who questioned him said.
A federal judge on Friday ordered Michael Connell, whose firms had consulting contracts with Bush's campaign and with the Ohio secretary of state's office in 2004, to submit to a limited, closed-door deposition in a suit alleging schemes to fix the vote.
A transcript of the deposition was unavailable, but Clifford Arnebeck, the plaintiffs' attorney, whose clients include the Rainbow Coalition and other liberal groups, said that during some two hours of questioning, Connell "denied any knowledge of the altering of votes."
Connell also denied knowing of any leftover "Trojan Horses" — bits of computer code that could play havoc with Tuesday's vote counts, Arnebeck said.
Connell's appearance, on the eve of the 2008 presidential election, culminated weeks of jockeying over his testimony, amid unsubstantiated allegations that he's been subjected to threats of retaliation if he tells all he knows, and U.S. District Judge Solomon Oliver ordered the sealing of any questions about threats to Connell.
Allegations of Republican schemes to shift 2004 votes from Democratic challenger John Kerry to Bush have swirled around Ohio for four years, initially fed by exit polls that showed Kerry winning the election. Bush won the state by 118,601 votes to secure a second term.
Oddities in Ohio's 2004 presidential election continue to surface, including evidence of document shredding and disclosures of the presence of partisan operatives in the office of former Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell, who's been criticized for his office's handling of the election.
Records show that Blackwell hired Connell's Govtech Solutions, LLC, of Richfield, Ohio, as an Internet consultant. SMARTech Corp. of Chattanooga, Tenn., was retained to provide a backup server, which was needed because the secretary of state's Web site got more than 40 million election-night visits, said a spokesman for Ohio's current Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner, a Democrat.
During the same year, Bush's campaign paid New Media Communications, which was owned by Connell, more than $806,000 to for Web services, according to Federal Election Commission records. Connell's firm also has served as a consultant to John McCain's 2008 Republican presidential campaign.
SMARTech was paid more than $72,000 by Bush's 2004 campaign and has hosted hundreds of Republican Web and e-mail sites, including the gwb43.com site for politically related e-mails by Bush White House employees, whose disappearance triggered an outcry from congressional Democrats during last year's Justice Department scandal.
Arnebeck called SMARTech's role "an outrageous conflict of interest."
A 2004 election-night computer architecture map for Blackwell's office appears to suggest that as many as 51 of Ohio's 88 counties periodically sent their results to the secretary of state's office. Jeff Ortega, Brunner's chief spokesman, said that computer technicians in her office have been unable to determine how many, if any, counties transmitted results directly from vote tabulators, rather than from separate computers to shield against outside access to vote counts.
Stephen Spoonamore, a cybersecurity expert who's assisting the plaintiffs in the suit, alleged in an affidavit that SMARTech appears to have had the ability to intercept election returns before they were publicly disclosed. Spoonamore describes himself as a "lifelong Republican."
SMARTech President Jeff Averbeck couldn't be reached for comment.
Blackwell didn't respond to e-mails sent via a close associate or to a message left with the Buckeye Institute, a policy institute with which he's loosely affiliated.
Brunner, who took office in January 2007, has dropped all outside consultants and says she's linked counties to her office via secure, dedicated lines.
She told McClatchy that after she took office, employees advised her that [color=red]about six months earlier, "the Blackwell administration started shredding paper[/color]."
A federal judge on Friday ordered Michael Connell, whose firms had consulting contracts with Bush's campaign and with the Ohio secretary of state's office in 2004, to submit to a limited, closed-door deposition in a suit alleging schemes to fix the vote.
A transcript of the deposition was unavailable, but Clifford Arnebeck, the plaintiffs' attorney, whose clients include the Rainbow Coalition and other liberal groups, said that during some two hours of questioning, Connell "denied any knowledge of the altering of votes."
Connell also denied knowing of any leftover "Trojan Horses" — bits of computer code that could play havoc with Tuesday's vote counts, Arnebeck said.
Connell's appearance, on the eve of the 2008 presidential election, culminated weeks of jockeying over his testimony, amid unsubstantiated allegations that he's been subjected to threats of retaliation if he tells all he knows, and U.S. District Judge Solomon Oliver ordered the sealing of any questions about threats to Connell.
Allegations of Republican schemes to shift 2004 votes from Democratic challenger John Kerry to Bush have swirled around Ohio for four years, initially fed by exit polls that showed Kerry winning the election. Bush won the state by 118,601 votes to secure a second term.
Oddities in Ohio's 2004 presidential election continue to surface, including evidence of document shredding and disclosures of the presence of partisan operatives in the office of former Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell, who's been criticized for his office's handling of the election.
Records show that Blackwell hired Connell's Govtech Solutions, LLC, of Richfield, Ohio, as an Internet consultant. SMARTech Corp. of Chattanooga, Tenn., was retained to provide a backup server, which was needed because the secretary of state's Web site got more than 40 million election-night visits, said a spokesman for Ohio's current Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner, a Democrat.
During the same year, Bush's campaign paid New Media Communications, which was owned by Connell, more than $806,000 to for Web services, according to Federal Election Commission records. Connell's firm also has served as a consultant to John McCain's 2008 Republican presidential campaign.
SMARTech was paid more than $72,000 by Bush's 2004 campaign and has hosted hundreds of Republican Web and e-mail sites, including the gwb43.com site for politically related e-mails by Bush White House employees, whose disappearance triggered an outcry from congressional Democrats during last year's Justice Department scandal.
Arnebeck called SMARTech's role "an outrageous conflict of interest."
A 2004 election-night computer architecture map for Blackwell's office appears to suggest that as many as 51 of Ohio's 88 counties periodically sent their results to the secretary of state's office. Jeff Ortega, Brunner's chief spokesman, said that computer technicians in her office have been unable to determine how many, if any, counties transmitted results directly from vote tabulators, rather than from separate computers to shield against outside access to vote counts.
Stephen Spoonamore, a cybersecurity expert who's assisting the plaintiffs in the suit, alleged in an affidavit that SMARTech appears to have had the ability to intercept election returns before they were publicly disclosed. Spoonamore describes himself as a "lifelong Republican."
SMARTech President Jeff Averbeck couldn't be reached for comment.
Blackwell didn't respond to e-mails sent via a close associate or to a message left with the Buckeye Institute, a policy institute with which he's loosely affiliated.
Brunner, who took office in January 2007, has dropped all outside consultants and says she's linked counties to her office via secure, dedicated lines.
She told McClatchy that after she took office, employees advised her that [color=red]about six months earlier, "the Blackwell administration started shredding paper[/color]."
But around town, it was well known...when they got home at night
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by Lula » Wed Nov 05, 2008 10:12 am
RossValoryRocks wrote:Gunbot wrote:8 to 3- McCain, so far.
McCain KENTUCKY
Obama VERMONT
As expected so far...
Enjoy your lead. It's the only one you'll have all night. 18 minutes from now you'll be down 4 touchdowns...at least.
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by Rick » Wed Nov 05, 2008 10:13 am
This is a good graphical display of the country as the votes come in.
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/president/
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/president/
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by RossValoryRocks » Wed Nov 05, 2008 10:15 am
Lula wrote:RossValoryRocks wrote:Gunbot wrote:8 to 3- McCain, so far.
McCain KENTUCKY
Obama VERMONT
As expected so far...
Enjoy your lead. It's the only one you'll have all night. 18 minutes from now you'll be down 4 touchdowns...at least.
Counting them chickens again huh Dean? LOL
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by Lula » Wed Nov 05, 2008 10:20 am
RossValoryRocks wrote:Lula wrote:RossValoryRocks wrote:Gunbot wrote:8 to 3- McCain, so far.
McCain KENTUCKY
Obama VERMONT
As expected so far...
Enjoy your lead. It's the only one you'll have all night. 18 minutes from now you'll be down 4 touchdowns...at least.
Counting them chickens again huh Dean? LOL
Not counting the chickens, Stu. Counting the chickens, the eggs and the entire fucking coup. This is going to be a big big night. However, looks like the GOP is at it again with corruption, so who knows?
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by Lula » Wed Nov 05, 2008 10:21 am
Fact Finder wrote:I know it's early but some of these early numbers out of Fla. and Va. look GOOD.
Saving this post in the archives.
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by RossValoryRocks » Wed Nov 05, 2008 10:22 am
Lula wrote:RossValoryRocks wrote:Lula wrote:RossValoryRocks wrote:Gunbot wrote:8 to 3- McCain, so far.
McCain KENTUCKY
Obama VERMONT
As expected so far...
Enjoy your lead. It's the only one you'll have all night. 18 minutes from now you'll be down 4 touchdowns...at least.
Counting them chickens again huh Dean? LOL
Not counting the chickens, Stu. Counting the chickens, the eggs and the entire fucking coup. This is going to be a big big night. However, looks like the GOP is at it again with corruption, so who knows?
NICE...now you are setting the stage to say it was stolen...I could do the same with the voter fraud issue...
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by 7 Wishes » Wed Nov 05, 2008 10:24 am
The difference being the ACORN "fraud" has in no way been proven to have actually allowed Democrats to vote more than once. Whereas evidence of Republican election-rigging and stealing is quite obvious.
But around town, it was well known...when they got home at night
Their fat and psychopathic wives
Would thrash them within inches of their lives!
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by Lula » Wed Nov 05, 2008 10:26 am
RossValoryRocks wrote:Lula wrote:RossValoryRocks wrote:Lula wrote:RossValoryRocks wrote:Gunbot wrote:8 to 3- McCain, so far.
McCain KENTUCKY
Obama VERMONT
As expected so far...
Enjoy your lead. It's the only one you'll have all night. 18 minutes from now you'll be down 4 touchdowns...at least.
Counting them chickens again huh Dean? LOL
Not counting the chickens, Stu. Counting the chickens, the eggs and the entire fucking coup. This is going to be a big big night. However, looks like the GOP is at it again with corruption, so who knows?
NICE...now you are setting the stage to say it was stolen...I could do the same with the voter fraud issue...
No you can't. You thieving fuckers win this one going away. I don't need to nor am I making any excuses, I just would think that the GOP would be smarter than this, than to attempt to steal votes in an election that they have zero shot in. At least wait til you are competitive. That's all I am saying.
Today in California, a republican firm was busted for fraud. It's not only here, it's nationwide.
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by 7 Wishes » Wed Nov 05, 2008 10:26 am
It already appears there is a difference in the battleground states of Indiana, North Carolina, and Florida - with Pennsylvania and Ohio to follow, no doubt - between the exit polls (Obama) and the "vote count" (McCain). They're trying to get away with stealing ANOTHER election, again.
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by RossValoryRocks » Wed Nov 05, 2008 10:26 am
7 Wishes wrote:The difference being the ACORN "fraud" has in no way been proven to have actually allowed Democrats to vote more than once. Whereas evidence of Republican election-rigging and stealing is quite obvious.
Ohhh yeah...you mean like the one kid in Ohio that registered 23 times? Or the other man who registered 77 times.
I will give you that they may not vote that many times...but intent is clear...
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by Skylorde » Wed Nov 05, 2008 10:29 am
7 Wishes wrote:WASHINGTON — A Republican computer consultant denied under oath Monday that he knew of any GOP effort to steal the 2004 election for President Bush by rigging Ohio's vote totals, an attorney who questioned him said.
7, can you make the font a little bigger? We're all having trouble reading it.
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by Lula » Wed Nov 05, 2008 10:30 am
The BIG race to watch is McConnell in KY. He loses, and the Dems will get 59 seats in the Senate, plus the two Indies.
McConnell is minority Speaker. This will speak volumes if he were to lose. Also Georgia. If Obama is close or even wins there, along with that motherfucker scumbag Saxby Chambliss, I wish something evil on that shitass, deserves life in Hell. Just ask Max Cleland, a triple amputee Veteran, who good ol Saxby called, unpatriotic, and a pussy.
McConnell is minority Speaker. This will speak volumes if he were to lose. Also Georgia. If Obama is close or even wins there, along with that motherfucker scumbag Saxby Chambliss, I wish something evil on that shitass, deserves life in Hell. Just ask Max Cleland, a triple amputee Veteran, who good ol Saxby called, unpatriotic, and a pussy.
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by RossValoryRocks » Wed Nov 05, 2008 10:35 am
Lula wrote:The BIG race to watch is McConnell in KY. He loses, and the Dems will get 59 seats in the Senate, plus the two Indies.
McConnell is minority Speaker. This will speak volumes if he were to lose. Also Georgia. If Obama is close or even wins there, along with that motherfucker scumbag Saxby Chambliss, I wish something evil on, deserves life in Hell. Just ask Max Cleland, a triple amputee Veteran, who good ol Saxby called, unpatriotic, and a pussy.
Oh I think the congress is lost for sure, in terms of the Democrats getting a super majority.
I am not sure that Liberman will be hanging with the Dems, other than on some social issues, just because the Dems will toss him out of leadership positions he has because he supports McCain.
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by 7 Wishes » Wed Nov 05, 2008 10:36 am
Supposing the Dems lose...what will the 2012 ticket look like?
I'm guessing Frank/Boxer, or perhaps Byrd/Mondale...what about Pelosi/Dodd?
I'm guessing Frank/Boxer, or perhaps Byrd/Mondale...what about Pelosi/Dodd?
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by RossValoryRocks » Wed Nov 05, 2008 10:37 am
7 Wishes wrote:Supposing the Dems lose...what will the 2012 ticket look like?
I'm guessing Frank/Boxer, or perhaps Byrd/Mondale...what about Pelosi/Dodd?
I don't think Barney Frank will run...Boxer I think would be a decent choice...Pelosi??? I don't know...
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by tj » Wed Nov 05, 2008 10:38 am
The_Noble_Cause wrote:tj wrote:He is not a fool and knows that if he delivers on all of the far left promises he made to get the wacko support....
If Dems are lucky, he'll be as radical as Clinton...which is to say not very radical at all.
agreed. the country in general doesn't want far right or far left. Clinton tried with healthcare reform and saw the enourmous pushback. Republicans took the House and he moved to the center. His popularity shot up and now everyone thinks he was great. Dick Morris saved his bacon.
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by RossValoryRocks » Wed Nov 05, 2008 10:39 am
tj wrote:The_Noble_Cause wrote:tj wrote:He is not a fool and knows that if he delivers on all of the far left promises he made to get the wacko support....
If Dems are lucky, he'll be as radical as Clinton...which is to say not very radical at all.
agreed. the country in general doesn't want far right or far left. Clinton tried with healthcare reform and saw the enourmous pushback. Republicans took the House and he moved to the center. His popularity shot up and now everyone thinks he was great. Dick Morris saved his bacon.
These is no more adept poltical mind than Dick Morris.
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by Rhiannon » Wed Nov 05, 2008 10:42 am
RossValoryRocks wrote:7 Wishes wrote:Supposing the Dems lose...what will the 2012 ticket look like?
I'm guessing Frank/Boxer, or perhaps Byrd/Mondale...what about Pelosi/Dodd?
I don't think Barney Frank will run...Boxer I think would be a decent choice...Pelosi??? I don't know...
Mark Warner/Hilary Clinton in 2012!!!
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by Enigma869 » Wed Nov 05, 2008 11:05 am
Fact Finder wrote:Damn, you guys rang up 5 pages since this morning, good debate so far except for John, HIS NAME IS SAMUEL JOSEPH and he goes by FUCKING JOE!
Right, and that means his name isn't Joe, dickbreath!
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by Enigma869 » Wed Nov 05, 2008 11:09 am
Lula wrote: Also Georgia. If Obama is close or even wins there, along with that motherfucker scumbag Saxby Chambliss, I wish something evil on that shitass, deserves life in Hell. Just ask Max Cleland, a triple amputee Veteran, who good ol Saxby called, unpatriotic, and a pussy.
According to CNN, Obama has already lost Georgia big! No surprise there. Democrats almost never win any southern states or even come close in them!
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by RossValoryRocks » Wed Nov 05, 2008 11:14 am
Deano says by 9:38 its all over...I think he might be off a little on the timing...
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