The 2008 US Presidential Election Thread

[AlteredDNA]

Also, at least 55,821,650 Americans strongly disagree with Obama...

In 2000, 50,996,116 Americans strongly disagreed with Bush.
In 2004, 59,028,109 Americans strongly disagreed with Bush.

How I wish to fucking hell we had those decissions to make over!

I wonder where all of the Bush Haters are going to focus their anger for the next four years...

I was simply pointing out to YoungJRNY that Obama wasn't the only one with "millions agreeing with him"...

[AlteredDNA]

Also, at least 55,821,650 Americans strongly disagree with Obama...

In 2000, 50,996,116 Americans strongly disagreed with Bush.
In 2004, 59,028,109 Americans strongly disagreed with Bush.

How I wish to fucking hell we had those decissions to make over!

I'll never regret voting against Gore and Kerry.

Agreed...

[Saint John]

Stop that shit right now, dude. That's a total load of fucking crap.....

Actually, it's a fact. Domestic terrorist cells have been busted and a few plans thwarted. The rest of your long-winded post warrants no response.

[conversationpc]

Stop that shit right now, dude. That's a total load of fucking crap.....

Actually, it's a fact. Domestic terrorist cells have been busted and a few plans thwarted. The rest of your long-winded post warrants no response.

The fact of the matter is, just like the economy or other things, if it goes well, the President should at least get some of the credit. He gets the blame if the economy goes bad or credit if it goes well. The same thing should apply to national security. It could just be dumb luck or that they are waiting us out (more than likely the latter) but he should get some credit all the same. That's just the way it is and should be, regardless of who's President.

[hoagiepete]

It really struck me how Katie Couric sounded after that speech by McCain...a complete 180...something like..." a true patriot, servant of our country...father...grandfather..."blah blah blah. Contrast that with how she spoke on him prior to the election. Give me a break.

Well what was she supposed to do, hop up on the desk, fly both middle fingers and go "Ha! Take that you crumbly old fuck! Looooooooser!!!"

(entertaining as that would have been )

THAT would have been entertaining, especially if she were wearing a short skirt ...but what she did leading up to the election was about the equivilent of doing just that...albeit not quite so direct.

[strangegrey]

Stop that shit right now, dude. That's a total load of fucking crap.....

Actually, it's a fact. Domestic terrorist cells have been busted and a few plans thwarted. The rest of your long-winded post warrants no response.

No, you just can't respond to it....Dan, you need to *support* your assertions before trying to dismiss something in an effort to shield the fact that you can't refute it.


However...let me give you the benefit of the doubt here.....Let's hear it...Let's have the references. Exactly what plans have been thwarted????....be specific....and be sure to note the desire for political equity attached to it...


It's OK....I'll wait awhile. It's going to take you a LONG time to find them.


Oh, I forgot one thing. You're going to have to prove above and beyond a reasonable doubt that any thwarted arab-terrorism from 2001-present is above and beyond the level of activity prior to 9/11 while also showing your many well-cited and well-researched references to thwarted terrorist activities not attached to political pandering....because, of course....we also need to prove the George W. Bush's terrorist stumping activities as president differed him from his predecessors....


The fact remains that each and every time Bush, Cheney or anyone else in the party formerly known as the republican party used the claim that they kept america safe...did so in an effort to guilt out support from the american people for either a bill passage, a nomination or a vote.

The fear mongering shit doesn't end, even after the party formerly known as the republican party, gets eviscerated by Bush and DisDain and the entire party is censured for it's statements and policies in a landslide election...

[strangegrey]

Stop that shit right now, dude. That's a total load of fucking crap.....

Actually, it's a fact. Domestic terrorist cells have been busted and a few plans thwarted. The rest of your long-winded post warrants no response.

The fact of the matter is, just like the economy or other things, if it goes well, the President should at least get some of the credit. He gets the blame if the economy goes bad or credit if it goes well. The same thing should apply to national security. It could just be dumb luck or that they are waiting us out (more than likely the latter) but he should get some credit all the same. That's just the way it is and should be, regardless of who's President.

Dave, with all due respect....that doesn't fly. It is dreadfully impossible to corelate non-action with an effort to stop something that may or may not have taken place during the time cited. It's like walking into a room and going "Hey, you people should thank me!!! It's sunny out today!"

Yet, repeatedly, we were thrust this "you should thank us, we kept you safe from the boogie man" over the past 8 years....interestingly, *always* during times of need. This kind of thinking is what put the party formerly known as the republican party in the position it stands in today, Nov 5. 2008.

[Skylorde]

It's OK....I'll wait awhile. It's going to take you a LONG time to find them.

Here's one:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24808102/

This part of the article makes me shake my head though. Gee Georgy, would you like a straight, cross or diamond cut shredder for your copy of the Constitution?

To justify holding him, the government claimed a broad interpretation of the president's wartime powers, one that goes beyond warrantless wiretapping or monitoring banking transactions. Government lawyers told federal judges that the president can send the military into any U.S. neighborhood, capture a citizen and hold him in prison without charge, indefinitely.

[annpea]

Like the Obama supporters would've been happy had McCain won.

You're missing the point, Taco Boy! I wasn't remotely happy that the Giants won the Super Bowl but I didn't sign on to this board one single time to whine about it! Put your pacifier back in your mouth and go swaddle Cain!


John from Boston

I did NOT vote for McCain. I voted for Bob Barr. The point I was making had Obama lost, they would've booed too at the mention of McCain. And they may have rioted (which was feared and actually still did happen a little bit on the West Side).

Tito, I worry about you sometimes, you know it was too cold to riot. They were probably running around trying to keep warm.

[Ftloperry]

Anyone moved to tears by Obama's by-the-book feel good rhetoric needs to have their head dipped in battery acid.

[separate_wayz]

And they may have rioted (which was feared and actually still did happen a little bit on the West Side).

So there was a little bit of mayhem last night? I caught on the news this morning that everyone was shocked at how well-behaved the crowd was.

Media cover up as usual. I laugh how they talk of the riots after the Bulls title in '92 yet no one reported it back then, at least as a major news story.

Actually, here is a story they covered today but is spun as just a burglary (yeah right): http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2008 ... goods.html


Burglars bust into Foot Locker store with car
November 5, 2008 at 7:06 AM | Comments (0)
Chicago police this morning are searching for two men who crashed a car through the front window of a Lawndale Foot Locker store, then made off with merchandise.
The incident occurred at about 6:20 a.m. at 4036 W. Roosevelt Rd, police said. After taking unspecified merchandise, they fled, leaving the car behind, said Chicago Police Officer Dan O'Brien.

Details on the make and model of the car or whether it had a license plate were not immediately available.

Sounds like they agree with "spreading the wealth"!

[Saint John]

Here you go, Frank:

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2002/09/1 ... 20914.html

http://www.militantislammonitor.org/article/id/3324

http://newsdirect-aningeniousname.blogs ... erted.html

I'm at work now and don't have time to cite the rest. But there is no way that those people would have been busted pre-Sept 11. The ACLU would have went ballistic. Then again, they probably did anyway!!!

[separate_wayz]

Job creation.. Damn those republicans. You know I'm not even middle class, and as much as I bitch and complain I've seen worse. I'm just kind of grateful.

Somehow, America has LOST jobs under Bush's watch - the first time it's ever happened, in history.

America LOST period under the dictatorship of the Bush/Cheney regime.

Hopefully we can begin digging our way out now. I'll bet that the stock market goes wild tomorrow in celebration.

(1) Goofy and (2) wrong in one post -- congrats!!

[RedWingFan]

I'd like to congratulate Barack Obama, Jeremiah Wright, William Ayers, Osama Bin Laden, United States liberals and U.S. citizens who are on or are looking to get on the federal dole, and to terrorists all around the world on their victory yesterday.

[Saint John]

I'd like to congratulate Barack Obama, Jeremiah Wright, William Ayers, Osama Bin Laden, United States liberals and U.S. citizens who are on or are looking to get on the federal dole, and to terrorists all around the world on their victory yesterday.

Your fucking sig cracks me up. It's the funniest one I've ever seen.

[strangegrey]

Here you go, Frank:

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2002/09/1 ... 20914.html

http://www.militantislammonitor.org/article/id/3324

http://newsdirect-aningeniousname.blogs ... erted.html

I'm at work now and don't have time to cite the rest. But there is no way that those people would have been busted pre-Sept 11. The ACLU would have went ballistic. Then again, they probably did anyway!!!

Great...you quote a terrorist cell breakup (nothing that can be cited as earth shattering and just as possible in a pre 911 world)

The second quote is the same thing....with mentions of a dirty bomb, but I guess you didn't read the whole thing, eh? The charges regarding the dirty bomb were dropped!

Finally....you give me a blog. hardly a solid source.

Like I said....you're not going to find an actual thwarted act with specifics, not tied to a political event....

[strangegrey]

I'd like to congratulate Barack Obama, Jeremiah Wright, William Ayers, Osama Bin Laden, United States liberals and U.S. citizens who are on or are looking to get on the federal dole, and to terrorists all around the world on their victory yesterday.

Your fucking sig cracks me up. It's the funniest one I've ever seen.

LOL. I had a good laugh as well....

[strangegrey]

It's OK....I'll wait awhile. It's going to take you a LONG time to find them.

Here's one:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24808102/

This part of the article makes me shake my head though. Gee Georgy, would you like a straight, cross or diamond cut shredder for your copy of the Constitution?

To justify holding him, the government claimed a broad interpretation of the president's wartime powers, one that goes beyond warrantless wiretapping or monitoring banking transactions. Government lawyers told federal judges that the president can send the military into any U.S. neighborhood, capture a citizen and hold him in prison without charge, indefinitely.

Busting a cell doesn't count Mike. There have been terrorist cells busted out before George Bush became commandeer in chief.

The point of assertion here is not whether or not terrorists exist in the US. WTC1993 proves that they probably existed long before George W. Bush stopped drinking and driving....

The point of assertion is that George W. Bush, through extraordinary activities as commandeer in chief, thwarted REAL terrorist plots to cause harm, death or destruction in the US....and said plots were thwarted without mention of a political agenda.

That hasn't happened. We have all heard of plots to blow up the brooklyn bridge, nuke times square, dirty bomb LA...the problem is....that the truth lies somewhere in the middle here. If I had a quarter for everytime bush said he thwarted the Brooklyn Bridge plot....I could have run for president and beat Obama. Yet, he always fails to mention that the principles involved in the plot decided not to undertake the plot for a wealth of different reasons (heightened security being only one of them)....

[conversationpc]

Dave, with all due respect....that doesn't fly. It is dreadfully impossible to corelate non-action with an effort to stop something that may or may not have taken place during the time cited. It's like walking into a room and going "Hey, you people should thank me!!! It's sunny out today!"

Yet, repeatedly, we were thrust this "you should thank us, we kept you safe from the boogie man" over the past 8 years....interestingly, *always* during times of need. This kind of thinking is what put the party formerly known as the republican party in the position it stands in today, Nov 5. 2008.

We'll have to agree to disagree. That may not be the way it should be but it is the way it is. Obama will also receive credit/blame for what happens while he is the President. It's just a fact of life.

[Saint John]

Busting a cell doesn't count Mike.

But it sure as fuck would have counted had they been successful!!! And whose fucking rules are you going by with this "doesn't count" shit?!?!?!

[strangegrey]

Busting a cell doesn't count Mike.

But it sure as fuck would have counted had they been successful!!! And whose fucking rules are you going by with this "doesn't count" shit?!?!?!

It doesn't count because it offers NO distinction between GWB and any of his predecessors. Remember....the point of contention I have is the justification of continued support of the republican party due to their 'thwarting attacks since 9/12'

To point to discovering a terrorist cell may or may not have had a profound effect on thwarting attack. That evidence is impossible to correlate...truly impossible. Terrorist cells have been busted out long prior to GWB being elected....so you standing there saying his efforts are extra-ordinary, don't fly.

[S2M]

Busting a cell doesn't count Mike.

But it sure as fuck would have counted had they been successful!!! And whose fucking rules are you going by with this "doesn't count" shit?!?!?!

It doesn't count because it offers NO distinction between GWB and any of his predecessors. Remember....the point of contention I have is the justification of continued support of the republican party due to their 'thwarting attacks since 9/12'

To point to discovering a terrorist cell may or may not have had a profound effect on thwarting attack. That evidence is impossible to correlate...truly impossible. Terrorist cells have been busted out long prior to GWB being elected....so you standing there saying his efforts are extra-ordinary, don't fly.

+10

I'd buy that for a Euro......

Also, have you ever noticed that 'Euro' is a word you can't procede with AN, it has to be A.....weird.

[strangegrey]

Dave, with all due respect....that doesn't fly. It is dreadfully impossible to corelate non-action with an effort to stop something that may or may not have taken place during the time cited. It's like walking into a room and going "Hey, you people should thank me!!! It's sunny out today!"

Yet, repeatedly, we were thrust this "you should thank us, we kept you safe from the boogie man" over the past 8 years....interestingly, *always* during times of need. This kind of thinking is what put the party formerly known as the republican party in the position it stands in today, Nov 5. 2008.

We'll have to agree to disagree. That may not be the way it should be but it is the way it is. Obama will also receive credit/blame for what happens while he is the President. It's just a fact of life.

Well, Im not arguing what is and what should be....that's not the the issue I have here....the issue I have with this line of thought is this.

If republicans and conservatives are going to march out their so-called "terrorist thwarting" record as being justification for political real estate....

then why the fuck aren't they also held responsible for dropping the ball on 9/11? Does their record only start on 9/12?


There's a double standard that the right has been marching out for 7 years now....and it's based on fear mongering...yet, they will be the last to admit they fucked up during the months in advance of 9/11.....yet they're the ones that we should entrust with our safety....because they may or may not have stopped a terrorist act that never got past the planning stages...

for...get this....a paltry 7 years!

Wow! great resume!!!


I guess 7 out of 8 years aint bad, eh?

[Saint John]

Busting a cell doesn't count Mike.

But it sure as fuck would have counted had they been successful!!! And whose fucking rules are you going by with this "doesn't count" shit?!?!?!

It doesn't count because it offers NO distinction between GWB and any of his predecessors. Remember....the point of contention I have is the justification of continued support of the republican party due to their 'thwarting attacks since 9/12'

To point to discovering a terrorist cell may or may not have had a profound effect on thwarting attack. That evidence is impossible to correlate...truly impossible. Terrorist cells have been busted out long prior to GWB being elected....so you standing there saying his efforts are extra-ordinary, don't fly.

Considering most of these plots were thwarted by The Department of Homeland Security, an entity that didn't exist prior to president Bush, I would say they do fly.

[AlteredDNA]

Busting a cell doesn't count Mike.

But it sure as fuck would have counted had they been successful!!! And whose fucking rules are you going by with this "doesn't count" shit?!?!?!

It doesn't count because it offers NO distinction between GWB and any of his predecessors. Remember....the point of contention I have is the justification of continued support of the republican party due to their 'thwarting attacks since 9/12'

To point to discovering a terrorist cell may or may not have had a profound effect on thwarting attack. That evidence is impossible to correlate...truly impossible. Terrorist cells have been busted out long prior to GWB being elected....so you standing there saying his efforts are extra-ordinary, don't fly.

+10

I'd buy that for a Euro......

Also, have you ever noticed that 'Euro' is a word you can't procede with AN, it has to be A.....weird.

That's because it starts with the Y sound - not a vowel (sometimes)...

[bluejeangirl76]

Also, have you ever noticed that 'Euro' is a word you can't procede with AN, it has to be A.....weird.

That's because it starts with the Y sound - not a vowel (sometimes)...

[AlteredDNA]

Also, have you ever noticed that 'Euro' is a word you can't procede with AN, it has to be A.....weird.

That's because it starts with the Y sound - not a vowel (sometimes)...

I almost didn't include that, but I knew I'd get blasted if I didn't...

[strangegrey]

Considering most of these plots were thwarted by The Department of Homeland Security, an entity that didn't exist prior to president Bush, I would say they do fly.

Horseshit, because prior to the creation of the DOHS, The CIA, NSA and FBI were all charged with these duties. They routinely shared information and worked together to address issues of 'homeland security' before bush created a beaurocracy solely responsible for it.

Only under Bush's white house did the previously responsible agencies drop the ball....the same ball we're supposed to trust him with, because he might (or equally possible, might not) have got it right 7 out of 8 years...

[Saint John]

Funny you should mention that. I got into a heated argument with a guy at the bar I used to bartend at. He recited the vowels (why the hell he did it escapes me...it was many years ago) and I said you forgot "y." He asked me what the fuck I was talking about and I asked him what the letter "y" was in the word french fry. He tried telling me it wasn't a vowel.

[Tito]

My aunt, who died this past January (god bless her soul) said back in '03 watch out for this new kid, Barack Obama.. a black man. Ever since then he slowly but surely crept up the ranks of politics.

I doubt it was '03. He was barely even a candidate for U.S. Senator back then. She was right. Watch out for him. You should've listened.

I viewed it as Obama seemed to handle the situation with more eagerness, and pleaded to us what was happening and what needed to be done. He seemed more serious, and more sincere letting us know how things needed to be changed.

He did not approach the situation with eagerness. He wanted to stay the fuck out (which is a very smart political move). McCain went to political grandstand and fucked up. He threw way too many hail mary passes. One maybe two are ok, beyond that you're fucked as a candidate. Obama did not plead to us what needed to be done. He stayed on the sidelines and did not say what needed to be changed which was smart on his part. That said some of his proposals are bullshit as some of it is worse than what got us there in the first place.

Obama's plan seemed fresh, seemed strong, and he himself seemed more willing to put his plan forward than McCain ever pro-posed. As it turned out, millions upon millions of other people, strongly agreed from last nights turnout.

I don't think neither one really put any meat out there.