The 2008 US Presidential Election Thread

[Enigma869]

They can't understand my total fear if McCain DIES in office.

Given McCain's old age, it's certainly a legitimate concern!

McCain, why couldn't you have picked Romney?

The answer to this question is VERY obvious. Regardless of what ANY Republican tries to tell you, Palin was picked for one reason and one reason only, and it's not because she is governor of the most obscure state in the Union. McCain's choice was actually 100% marketing! From a marketing standpoint, I think McCain's choice was brilliant. From a political standpoint, I think it was foolish. I absolutely would have voted for McCain, if Romney had been his selection. I would have also voted for McCain if he were 10 years younger. Because of his age, I just believe that there is a real chance that his chosen candidate could end up running this country, and god help us if that woman ends up in the corner office! There is simply no possible way that I am voting for Puppet Palin! Even though all poltiicians are full of shit, and are beyond scripted, she is the most scripted politician that I have ever come across. There is a reason that McCain has only allowed her to do two interviews! The guy knows she doesn't come across well!


John from Boston

[scarygirl]

I don't think he'll drop dead necessarily. There's more to longevity than what some insurance chart says. Things like genetics play a role. If his parents lived for any substantive amount of time. Isn't his mother still alive? Then he will too. He's what in his 7OS? My paternal grandfather worked into his eighties (still alive) and his mother lived in good health until she reached her 100s. It was only the last year of life that it all went to crap.

[Enigma869]

I don't think he'll drop dead necessarily.

Perhaps not. That said, nobody is going to be stunned if the guy doesn't live through one term!

Isn't his mother still alive?

She sure is. That old fossil is 95

Then he will too.

You can't seriously believe that just because someone's parent lives to be 95 that they will also live to be the same age?? That's a VERY flawed argument. While genetics play a role when it comes to one's predisposition to be afflicted with a disease, it's not always a precursor to one's mortality! Also, how do you know his mother's age will be the determining factor??? Do his deceased father's genetics not count? He has already lived two years longer than his father. I just think it's foolish, and not remotely factual (scientifically) that if a person has a parent who lives a long life, that they will also!


John from Boston

[Jana]

I'm with you on this, Enigma. I really respected McCain. I had a problem with his stance on the war, but ,really, the way things were going that might not have been that big of an issue. I was right there on the fence, because I knew he was going to pick Romney (I mean I really knew) ha-ha on me. Obama picked the perfect VP, which helped me. I really admire Biden and especially his foreign policy experience. Well, Hillary was the perfect VP for me but that was never going to happen. But I knew once McCain said Romney I was really going to be torn. I really like his economic experience, which I feel McCain is lacking. Listen, Obama could end up being really a great President or he could end up possibly being a Jimmy Carter, who I admire greatly as a humanitarian, but average President. But I'm stunned at McCain for this choice. I lost a lot of respect for him. I do understand now why he picked her. I agree with you. But shame on him. I've never felt such fear b/f regarding an election. If he dies and she's the one dealing with Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Russia, etc, God help us all.

[csiako]

i rather have the inexperience person as the vp in the ticket.. than the president in the ticket

[Enigma869]

i rather have the inexperience person as the vp in the ticket.. than the president in the ticket

The only problem with your argument is that both candidates at the top of the ticket have ZERO executive experience! A guy hanging around Washington for 25 years as a Senator doesn't render him qualified to run our country! If that were the case, Kerry would have got elected when he ran against that dope, W.!


John from Boston

[Enigma869]

Listen, Obama could end up being really a great President or he could end up possibly being a Jimmy Carter, who I admire greatly as a humanitarian, but average President.

Jimmy Carter is the best ex-president this country has ever seen. That said, calling the guy an "average" president isn't fair to those who actually were average. Carter was ABYSMAL as President!


John from Boston

[csiako]

i rather have the inexperience person as the vp in the ticket.. than the president in the ticket

The only problem with your argument is that both candidates at the top of the ticket have ZERO executive experience! A guy hanging around Washington for 25 years as a Senator doesn't render him qualified to run our country! If that were the case, Kerry would have got elected when he ran against that dope, W.!


John from Boston

being qualified and being elected is two different things. my argument is Obama is inexperience to be the POTUS.

[Jana]

I knew that was going to be stated. Sorry. I have a lot a respect for Obama. This man is a leader. My instincts tell me he is going to end up being a good President. But McCain I have such great respect for him because he would cross party lines, and with Romney on his ticket (with economic experience) that would make it difficult for me. Well, I HAD. When my friends tell me, don't worry, he will never die, so she will never be president. Are you crazy? Four melanomas. He's 72. He could die, and this woman is IN NO WAY READY to be president of the United States. These are such troubled times domestically and abroad. I'm not a betting woman. And I'm not betting on moose huntin', gun totin', the Iraq-war-is-a-task-from-God Sarah Palin.

[Enigma869]

being qualified and being elected is two different things. my argument is Obama is inexperience to be the POTUS.

In my opinion, the "experience" thing is a bit overblown, on all sides. The reality is that nobody who hasn't done the job really has the "experience". It's sort of like being a parent...NOTHING prepares you for the responsibility that is about to be dropped in your lap. Even if you babysit for 10 years, it's not the same as being the person the buck stops with! Parents can't leave their post, and neither can the President!


John from Boston

[Enigma869]

And I'm not betting on moose huntin', gun totin', the Iraq-war-is-a-task-from-God Sarah Palin.

Hey, look at the bright side...the fact that she's an advocate of killing innocent animals in their own habitat, could work against her, with the non gun-toting crowd


John from Boston

[Jana]

"Jimmy Carter is the best ex-president this country has ever seen. That said, calling the guy an "average" president isn't fair to those who actually were average. Carter was ABYSMAL as President!


John from Boston"
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Enigma, I was trying to be diplomatic when I said average. I was born in Georgia.

[scarygirl]

I knew that was going to be stated. Sorry. I have a lot a respect for Obama. This man is a leader. My instincts tell me he is going to end up being a great President. But McCain I have such great respect for him, so that's why it made it difficult for me. Well, I HAD. When my friends tell me, don't worry, he will never die, so she will never be president. Are you crazy? Four melanomas. He's 72. He could die, and this woman is IN NO WAY READY to be president of the United States. These are such troubled times domestically and abroad. I'm not a betting woman. And I'm not betting on moose huntin', gun totin', the Iraq-war-is-a-task from God Sarah Palin.

And Obama could be assinated by some left over Ku Klux Klan nut job. Truth be told, this whole election doesn't matter because nothing is going to change. Despite all the talk of I'm for this and he's for that, they are really truly one in the same in that the sole purpose of government has and always will be a power grab. We're well on our way to a Socialist regime. The only difference is with Obama it will be a whole lot quicker.

For those of you who want to live under the hand of government with free health care I say get your own country and leave the rest us alone.

[csiako]

being qualified and being elected is two different things. my argument is Obama is inexperience to be the POTUS.

In my opinion, the "experience" thing is a bit overblown, on all sides. The reality is that nobody who hasn't done the job really has the "experience". It's sort of like being a parent...NOTHING prepares you for the responsibility that is about to be dropped in your lap. Even if you babysit for 10 years, it's not the same as being the person the buck stops with! Parents can't leave their post, and neither can the President!


John from Boston

true... ive seen a housewife(cory aquino) with no experience do a better job running a country than her predecessor. but in my opinion McCain would be better POTUS than Obama

[Jana]

Well, at least if Obama was assassinated, I have confidence in Biden to be President of the United States.

[csiako]

one day Sarah Palin will be the POTUS, probably in 2012-2020

[7 Wishes]

Dude, get your penis out of your hands and think with your bigger head.

Not gonna happen. She's already slipping BIG TIME in the polls.

[scarygirl]

Well, at least if Obama was assassinated, I have confidence in Biden to be President of the United States.

I'd rather have someone who knows how to use a gun than someone whose idea of protecting the citizenry is offering extremist nut jobs peace through tea and cake. Unless of course that tea and cake was powered with cianide.

[csiako]

who do you think is gonna win in this election?

[scarygirl]

[quote="csiako"]who do you think is gonna win in this election?[/quote

McCain.

[Enigma869]

who do you think is gonna win in this election?

Thankfully, someone not named Bush! It's going to take us MANY years to recover from all the shit that fucker got us into!


John from Boston

[Jana]

My last post of the night on this subject will be the pearls of wisdom from our very own ANDREW:

"That's right. If the USA can survive Bush, it can survive anyone and anything!"

[The_Noble_Cause]

I'd rather have someone who knows how to use a gun than someone whose idea of protecting the citizenry is offering extremist nut jobs peace through tea and cake. Unless of course that tea and cake was powered with cianide.

With a citizenry this dumb, we deserve everything we get.

[Rick]

who do you think is gonna win in this election?

Thankfully, someone not named Bush! It's going to take us MANY years to recover from all the shit that fucker got us into!


John from Boston

I think there's another being groomed. We're fucked if he gets in.

[7 Wishes]

Funny...you don't hear much about Jebediah Bush these days.

[Blueskies]

Random thought from an independent.....Democrats are said to be socialists ...but with the bailouts of AIG, etc....what is that but Republican socialism.

[7 Wishes]

Well, it's all the fault of Clinton and Cater, and especially the "Democratic" Congress (even though you cannot pass ANY legislation with a Republican President and House without a 60/40 majority...whereas 50.5/49.5 is definitely 9.5 LESS than the 60 required for executive autonomy).

[conversationpc]

Right, whatever. Edit the "jackass" comment, but don't censure your far worse and way-over-the-top descriptions of Obama.

It was supposed to be a joke. Get over yourself.

BTW...What "over-the-top" descriptions of Obama?

[conversationpc]

http://news.yahoo.com/page/election-2008-political-pulse-obama-race

Not totally surprising but the article also said this...

Lots of Republicans harbor prejudices, too, but the survey found they weren't voting against Obama because of his race. Most Republicans wouldn't vote for any Democrat for president — white, black or brown.

Not all whites are prejudiced. Indeed, more whites say good things about blacks than say bad things, the poll shows. And many whites who see blacks in a negative light are still willing or even eager to vote for Obama.

[conversationpc]

Random thought from an independent.....Democrats are said to be socialists ...but with the bailouts of AIG, etc....what is that but Republican socialism.

It's definitely socialism and unconstitutional besides that.