The 2008 US Presidential Election Thread

[RedWingFan]

At least she can see Russia from her porch.

Did Sarah Palin ACTUALLY say this or are you crediting her with a SNL skit?

[RedWingFan]

More idiocy from Puppet Palin. This dopey chick needs to get some better advice.

I can't wait for the VP debates and she eats Joe Biden's lunch. I expect you to then come on here and say how "Karl Rove must have filled her head with all that crap."

[RedWingFan]

Biden garbles Depression history

Joe Biden's denunciation of his own campaign's ad to Katie Couric got so much attention last night that another odd note in the interview slipped by.

He was speaking about the role of the White House in a financial crisis.

"When the stock market crashed, Franklin Roosevelt got on the television and didn't just talk about the princes of greed," Biden told Couric. "He said, 'Look, here's what happened.'"

As Reason's Jesse Walker footnotes it: "And if you owned an experimental TV set in 1929, you would have seen him. And you would have said to yourself, 'Who is that guy? What happened to President Hoover?'"

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/ ... ml?showall

See this comment below that blog? Too funny!

Seriosly, Biden is not only a joke but a DISASTER to the Obama campaign. It is almost like he is a robot designed by Karl Rove...LMAO

[grimlocked]

At least she can see Russia from her porch.

Did Sarah Palin ACTUALLY say this or are you crediting her with a SNL skit?

When asked by Charlie Gibson about her insight on Russian actions recently, her exact quote was "They're our next-door neighbors and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska".

See it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXL86v8NoGk

[RedWingFan]

At least she can see Russia from her porch.

Did Sarah Palin ACTUALLY say this or are you crediting her with a SNL skit?

When asked by Charlie Gibson about her insight on Russian actions recently, her exact quote was "They're our next-door neighbors and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska".

See it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXL86v8NoGk

So she didn't say she could see it from her front porch! It was Tina Fey.
I didn't know Russia was visible from Alaska. I'm sure that was her entire quote about "Russian actions" too.

[grimlocked]

More idiocy from Puppet Palin. This dopey chick needs to get some better advice.

I can't wait for the VP debates and she eats Joe Biden's lunch. I expect you to then come on here and say how "Karl Rove must have filled her head with all that crap."

Don't expect too much on this VP debate. The McCain ticket got their way to dumb-down the exchange, citing "that a loose format could leave Ms. Palin, a relatively inexperienced debater, at a disadvantage".

Nonetheless, I'm also excited, at least for the entertainment factor

[conversationpc]

At least she can see Russia from her porch.

Did Sarah Palin ACTUALLY say this or are you crediting her with a SNL skit?

When asked by Charlie Gibson about her insight on Russian actions recently, her exact quote was "They're our next-door neighbors and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska".

See it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXL86v8NoGk

She said a lot more about the Russian invasion than that as I saw the entire interview. That edited clip conveniently cuts out most of her response.

[conversationpc]

More idiocy from Puppet Palin. This dopey chick needs to get some better advice.

I can't wait for the VP debates and she eats Joe Biden's lunch. I expect you to then come on here and say how "Karl Rove must have filled her head with all that crap."

Don't expect too much on this VP debate. The McCain ticket got their way to dumb-down the exchange, citing "that a loose format could leave Ms. Palin, a relatively inexperienced debater, at a disadvantage".

Nonetheless, I'm also excited, at least for the entertainment factor

Regardless of the format, I'm sure the moderator or those putting on the debate will figure out a way to get the questions in that they want asked, regardless of what deals were made. According to some of Biden's statements recently, this may actually help the Dems out, too.

[RedWingFan]

At least she can see Russia from her porch.

Did Sarah Palin ACTUALLY say this or are you crediting her with a SNL skit?

When asked by Charlie Gibson about her insight on Russian actions recently, her exact quote was "They're our next-door neighbors and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska".

See it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXL86v8NoGk

She said a lot more about the Russian invasion than that as I saw the entire interview. That edited clip conveniently cuts out most of her response.

Is the youtube poster's name "MMoorelovesKrispyKreme"?

[grimlocked]

More idiocy from Puppet Palin. This dopey chick needs to get some better advice.

I can't wait for the VP debates and she eats Joe Biden's lunch. I expect you to then come on here and say how "Karl Rove must have filled her head with all that crap."

Don't expect too much on this VP debate. The McCain ticket got their way to dumb-down the exchange, citing "that a loose format could leave Ms. Palin, a relatively inexperienced debater, at a disadvantage".

Nonetheless, I'm also excited, at least for the entertainment factor

Regardless of the format, I'm sure the moderator or those putting on the debate will figure out a way to get the questions in that they want asked, regardless of what deals were made. According to some of Biden's statements recently, this may actually help the Dems out, too.

TRUE. With the way Biden has been reckless recently, it might actually favor him too. The democrats have also been using this "deal" to their advantage (to emphasize her inexperience). The republicans are also using this to lessen the expectation, so that if Palin does well above the set expectation, it could boost the ticket once again.

For me, I'm excited since this may be the first time Palin would have to answer questions in a less controlled environment. The McCain ticket is getting the impression that they are protecting Palin too much by limiting her interviews. Some people put it at 80 interviews for Biden to Palin's 2 (since acceptance, Hannity doesn't count).

[7 Wishes]

"Conservative Republicans recoiled at the prospect of federal intervention into private capital markets."

Well, there is the problem for you, right there. Republican deregulation caused this financial meltdown.

[conversationpc]

"Conservative Republicans recoiled at the prospect of federal intervention into private capital markets."

Well, there is the problem for you, right there. Republican deregulation caused this financial meltdown.

I'm not saying you're wrong but didn't this deregulation occur or begin under the Clinton administration? I've also heard news reports from a couple of different sources recently saying the Bush administration warned congress about a dozen times over the past year that something needed to be done about the Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac situation. Also, the Dems were definitely the ones who had been pushing for a long time to make loans available to lower income people, so I'm not sure this can be totally blamed on "Republican deregulation".

[RedWingFan]

"Conservative Republicans recoiled at the prospect of federal intervention into private capital markets."

Well, there is the problem for you, right there. Republican deregulation caused this financial meltdown.

I'm not saying you're wrong but didn't this deregulation occur or begin under the Clinton administration? I've also heard news reports from a couple of different sources recently saying the Bush administration warned congress about a dozen times over the past year that something needed to be done about the Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac situation. Also, the Dems were definitely the ones who had been pushing for a long time to make loans available to lower income people, so I'm not sure this can be totally blamed on "Republican deregulation".

Actually it was 17 times THIS YEAR ALONE!!!! Not that 7 Wishes will believe it. It's STILL all Bush's fault. The only thing Dems have ever heard him say is WMD.

http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/ ... e-mae.html

[RossValoryRocks]

"Conservative Republicans recoiled at the prospect of federal intervention into private capital markets."

Well, there is the problem for you, right there. Republican deregulation caused this financial meltdown.

Actually it was BOTH parties. And John McCain said there were problems in 2003 at Freddie and Fannie, and Charlie Rangel said everything was rosie.

Remember: Clinton signed all the deregulation, because like NAFTA he thought it was a good idea at the time.

[conversationpc]

"Conservative Republicans recoiled at the prospect of federal intervention into private capital markets."

Well, there is the problem for you, right there. Republican deregulation caused this financial meltdown.

Actually it was BOTH parties. And John McCain said there were problems in 2003 at Freddie and Fannie, and Charlie Rangel said everything was rosie.

Remember: Clinton signed all the deregulation, because like NAFTA he thought it was a good idea at the time.

Yeah, this isn't just a one-party deal. This is equally the responsibility of both parties and the morons we keep electing. If it was a majority of Dems that passed the deregulation, the Republicans should've worked harder to oppose it and vice versa.

[Gin and Tonic Sky]

Both sides are very much to blame.

This week we have the Republicans proposing a keynesian solution pumping money into the system. The Dems respond with a nearly socialist solution. Sadly this is how we got here. The democrats call for over regulation. the Republicans call for half cocked regulation (like Sarbanes Oxley) when it suits their political purposes. The democrates tax and spend for keynesian reasons and the republicans give away phoney keynesian tax cuts which dont encourage saving or capital investment - then they go spend like hell themselves.

We ought to let all the bad debt go out of the system, both corporate and invdividual - bail nobody out . We also ought to immediatley cut capital gains taxes to 10% for ALL investments made in the next three years . This would save small businesses as they are the greatest beneficiareis of capital gains tax cuts. Youd also have investors rushing to pull thier money out of china and Signapore and putting it into American stocks - your liquidity comes back. This aint never gonna happen because you have Obama (socialist) and Biden (ecomomic statist) vs McCain (Statist big governement Democrat) and Palin (who has not proved shes a economic conservative or that shes anything more than a representative of the Mike Huckabee wing of the party with its bullshit populist bluster devoid of any understanding of free market principle)

[Enigma869]

Yeah, this isn't just a one-party deal. This is equally the responsibility of both parties and the morons we keep electing. If it was a majority of Dems that passed the deregulation, the Republicans should've worked harder to oppose it and vice versa.

Ding, Ding, Ding! We have a winner! This meltdown is absolutely, positively not the fault of one party or one individual. It includes Democrats, Republicans, Loan Officers (of which I am one), Banks, Underwriters, Fannie, Freddie, Irresponsible homeowners living WAY beyond their means. There is no way that one party or group is culpable for this mess. A meltdown of this proportion requires a whole lot of fuckups by a whole lot of people!


John from Boston

[RossValoryRocks]

...Irresponsible homeowners living WAY beyond their means...


John from Boston

Yeah I always wondered how people making $45K a yer could "afford" a $400,000 house...

[SteveForever]

Both sides are very much to blame.

This week we have the Republicans proposing a keynesian solution pumping money into the system. The Dems respond with a nearly socialist solution. Sadly this is how we got here. The democrats call for over regulation. the Republicans call for half cocked regulation (like Sarbanes Oxley) when it suits their political purposes. The democrates tax and spend for keynesian reasons and the republicans give away phoney keynesian tax cuts which dont encourage saving or capital investment - then they go spend like hell themselves.

We ought to let all the bad debt go out of the system, both corporate and invdividual - bail nobody out . We also ought to immediatley cut capital gains taxes to 10% for ALL investments made in the next three years . This would save small businesses as they are the greatest beneficiareis of capital gains tax cuts. Youd also have investors rushing to pull thier money out of china and Signapore and putting it into American stocks - your liquidity comes back. This aint never gonna happen because you have Obama (socialist) and Biden (ecomomic statist) vs McCain (Statist big governement Democrat) and Palin (who has not proved shes a economic conservative or that shes anything more than a representative of the Mike Huckabee wing of the party with its bullshit populist bluster devoid of any understanding of free market principle)

Genius! you are a very intelligent person!

[conversationpc]

Yeah, this isn't just a one-party deal. This is equally the responsibility of both parties and the morons we keep electing. If it was a majority of Dems that passed the deregulation, the Republicans should've worked harder to oppose it and vice versa.

Ding, Ding, Ding! We have a winner! This meltdown is absolutely, positively not the fault of one party or one individual. It includes Democrats, Republicans, Loan Officers (of which I am one), Banks, Underwriters, Fannie, Freddie, Irresponsible homeowners living WAY beyond their means. There is no way that one party or group is culpable for this mess. A meltdown of this proportion requires a whole lot of fuckups by a whole lot of people!


John from Boston

Most people don't realize just how close our economy came to total collapse last Wednesday. If it had happened, most of us would probably be out of jobs right now or close to it. I'm not sure I support the bailout but the argument could be made that the promise of one kept us out of that crisis at least for awhile.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Remember: Clinton signed all the deregulation, because like NAFTA he thought it was a good idea at the time.

And he was currying favor to the right in doing so.
The "era of big government is over" and all that.
The Phil Gramm legislation which Clinton passed removed FDR-imposed banking safewalls.

[S2M]

Can I finish?!

[RossValoryRocks]

Remember: Clinton signed all the deregulation, because like NAFTA he thought it was a good idea at the time.

And he was currying favor to the right in doing so.
The "era of big government is over" and all that.
The Phil Gramm legislation which Clinton passed removed FDR-imposed banking safewalls.

Yeah I believe I first noted it, and corrected your assumption that Democrats didn't vote for it...90-8 it passed as I recall.

I was merely noting that BOTH sides are to blame.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Yeah I believe I first noted it, and corrected your assumption that Democrats didn't vote for it...90-8 it passed as I recall.

I was merely noting that BOTH sides are to blame.

Turncoat corporate Dems are to blame, no argument there - (and yet, despite all the persistent liberal stereotypes (and there are many) being wholesale "deregulators" and "privatizers" has never been among them.)
In terms of where this deregulatory craze was birthed ideologically, I think history points to your side.
Deregulation is a GOP article of faith.
Sure, Carter did a little bit, but nothing like Reagan.
I think that's a fair point no?

[TRAGChick]

Hey all....

Got this in my email....please, feel free to copy & paste to send to whomever, if you want to.
_________________________________________________________________________________

BREAKIN' IT DOWN: DEMS & REPS:

I'm a little confused. Let me see if I have this straight.....

* If you grow up in Hawaii, raised by your grandparents, you're 'exotic,
different.'

* Grow up in Alaska eating moose burgers, a quintessential American
story.

* If your name is Barack you're a radical, unpatriotic Muslim.

* Name your kids Willow, Trig and Track, you're a maverick.

* Graduate from Harvard law School and you are unstable.

* Attend 5 different small colleges before graduating, you're well
grounded.

* If you:

spend 3 years as a brilliant community organizer
become the first black President of the Harvard Law Review
create a voter registration drive that registers 150,000 new voters
spend 12 years as a Constitutional Law professor
spend 8 years as a State Senator representing a districtwith over 750,000 people
become chairman of the state Senate's Health and Human Services committee
spend 4 years in the United States Senate representing a state of 13 million people while sponsoring 131 bills and serving on the Foreign Affairs, Environment and Public Works and Veteran's Affairs committees....

you don't have any real leadership experience.

* If your total resume is:

local TV sports girl
4 years on the city council and 6 years as the mayor of a town with less than 7,000 people
20 months as the governor of a state with only 650,000 people (47thleast-populated)...

then you're qualified to become the country's second highest ranking executive.

* If you have been married to the same woman for 19 years while raising
2 beautiful daughters, all within Protestant churches, you're not a real
Christian.

* If you cheated on your first wife with a rich heiress, divorced your
disfigured wife and married the heiress the next month, you're a
Christian.

* If you teach responsible, age appropriate sex education, including the
proper use of birth control, you are eroding the fiber of society.

* If , while governor, you staunchly advocate abstinence-only, with no
other option in sex education in your state's school system while your unwed
teen daughter ends up pregnant, you're very responsible.

* If your wife is a Harvard graduate lawyer who gave up a position in a
restigious law firm to work for the betterment of her inner city
community, then gave that up to raise a family, your family's values don't
represent America's.

* If you're husband is nicknamed 'First Dude', with at least one DWI
conviction and no college education, who didn't register to vote until
age 25 and once was a member of a group that advocated the secession of
Alaska from the USA, your family is extremely admirable.

OK, much clearer now.

[RedWingFan]

Rick already posted that in this thread. Good looking out!

[Rick]

Rick already posted that in this thread. Good looking out!

Sorry Nora, didn't mean to steal your thunder.

[TRAGChick]

Rick already posted that in this thread. Good looking out!

Sorry Nora, didn't mean to steal your thunder.

Dude....this is THIRTY FREAKIN' PAGES LONG....I can't read all-a that!

[treetopovskaya]

who is joe biden?

};CP

More idiocy from Puppet Palin. This dopey chick needs to get some better advice.

I can't wait for the VP debates and she eats Joe Biden's lunch. I expect you to then come on here and say how "Karl Rove must have filled her head with all that crap."

[RossValoryRocks]

Yeah I believe I first noted it, and corrected your assumption that Democrats didn't vote for it...90-8 it passed as I recall.

I was merely noting that BOTH sides are to blame.

Turncoat corporate Dems are to blame, no argument there - (and yet, despite all the persistent liberal stereotypes (and there are many) being wholesale "deregulators" and "privatizers" has never been among them.)
In terms of where this deregulatory craze was birthed ideologically, I think history points to your side.
Deregulation is a GOP article of faith.
Sure, Carter did a little bit, but nothing like Reagan.
I think that's a fair point no?

Overregulation makes us uncompetitive on the world stage economically. So I believe in deregulatation...but not to the point that it has been taken...where the hell is the oversite?

The more you regulate something, the less productive it is because of the amount of time and $$$ spent ensuring regulatory compliance (I know I work in an EXTREMELY federally regulated environment), money that could be better spent in creating jobs and investing in infrastructure.

HOWEVER, NO REGULATION is ridiculous! It has gone to far.

All that being said, I am more on board the democrats and republicans who are saying "NO GOLDEN PARACHUTES" to the fuck-widgets who drove their companies into the ground and not on board with people who are saying "Pass this fast"...NOTABLY George Bush. Obama and McCain are both being smart and saying make it RIGHT. I am also leery of give control of 1 TRILLION dollars to any ONE man, with little oversite...no matter who he is or what party...hell I would be hard pressed to trust Ghandi with 1 TRILLION DOLLARS!