strangegrey wrote:Is every women poster at back talk a sexually frustrated internet stalker, perry-jihadist, augeri throat slicer or a JSS-assassin? Is every moderator at back talker a power-abusing, power-hungry demon? No....but the fact of the matter is that BT is *very* much a mob. Mob-rules apply over there. You're not willing to turn around and tell CJ or any other mod "This place is disfunctional...we need to change it" and no one currently posting at back talk has the balls to question the job that moderators are doing at BT....because if that happens the poster is quickly silenced and the post itself disappears. Tell me thats healthy!?!
I wouldn’t shy away from telling CJ or anybody else what I felt needed to be done, and indeed I have made suggestions. They may or may not be taken into account but I haven’t been thrown out yet. LOL. However, CJ is more astute than you give her credit for. There are plans in progress for a revamp of the site so maybe we ought to wait to see what happens.
Likewise there are people actively posting on BT (eg Knox, JourneyMojo and others) who are offering dissenting views, but they do so courteously and intelligently. They haven’t been silenced.
strangegrey wrote:...but trust me, there isn't a forum out there where people do H2H for the 18 billionth time. How many times are you going to pit Seperate Ways against Dont Stop Believin before it gets rediculous? 3, 4? These H2H threads have been going on for YEARS!!!! They were getting old back when I left.
Now is it right to critique a board for it's quirkiness. No. If H2H was my biggest complaint...I'd still be an active poster over at BT. The fact of the matter is that H2H is just another symptom and/or explaination of the disfunctional nature of the place.
So in this case, we're talking about two different things. The trivial threads are a result of the 2 things I mention which ruined the place....The fact of the matter is that H2H is done over there because this is the one way the mob can argue over things without getting the Meanie-treatment.
I have to admit I’ve never even looked in one of those threads, much less contributed to one, because they don’t interest me. However, I don’t see any harm in them. They are about as obtrusive as a 316 page Sex, Booze and Sports thread. I don’t see it as a means for political point scoring or a surreptitious way to conduct arguments. It’s a bit of fun – no more and no less.
strangegrey wrote:
Marty, respectfully you missed my point above. How long have you been a mod over at BT? Were you a poster prior to becoming a mod? Chances are, you were indoctrinated with the way the mob runs before you were even a moderator. You're simply acting out the role that you feel is appropriate for the given society.
I’ve only been a Mod there for a couple of months, and only posted on BT for a couple of years – a newbie by most standards. However, I do reject your assertion that I’ve been indoctrinated. I post here as often as on BT and if I was likely to be swayed by any mob mentality then surely I’d be agreeing with you and following the mob view here (and believe me the mob culture exists very strongly here too). I’m quite capable of forming an independent opinion and defending it against peer pressure.
strangegrey wrote:So really what you're job exists for, is to stamp out extremely nasty behavior on the part of posters.
Have you done that?!! Absolutely not, I say...and there's no denying that. BT is one of the nastiest band forums on the internet....it's reputation is legendary. You say the wrong thing there, and you're either verbally attacked by a den of ferocious housewives or you're whacked by a moderator.
Hmmnn… not sure if I agree with this either. How does that differ from here, where if you say anything that the self imposed hierarchy on this site disagree with (and they know who they are) you get verbally attacked, insulted and intimidated using a lot more colourful language than that of the so-called ferocious housewives.
I’m not saying BT is any better than here – I enjoy posting on MR too – and I agree that certain things could and should be improved. However it is not one of the nastiest band forums on the internet, and its reputation is legendary among probably no more than a few dozen active forum users – mainly those that have some personal grudge against it. Anybody who thinks otherwise is either spending too much time online or is placing too much importance on such an insubstantial thing as a messageboard.
strangegrey wrote:Now, the tides have changed. Neal and Deeno to some extent has made anti-augeri statements on this very website....so you as moderators, are forced to eat your words.
You now have to enforce a pro-JSS agenda at BT...and squelch the very mob that you created through your actions.
No eating of words here. I was a big fan of JSS long before he joined Journey and have followed him all over the UK on his solo projects. I was one of the very first people to email him congratulations the day the news broke back in July that he was stepping in temporarily.
But, I am also a fan of Augeri. I don’t see why it has to be a case of either/or. I can’t speak for others, but I certainly won’t squelch anybody that has a positive comment to make about any member of Journey past or present, as long as it doesn’t denigrate another member.
Marty
Janet Jackson's official site is something perfectly set up for "softer" fan. Def Leppard's site is inspiring as well, appeals to both types of fans. It must be terribly expensive to run these fan sites, but with advertising boxes like Andrew uses, maybe it would help. Just a thought. There is no point to go to BT. A few people over there have ruined it imo and its boring.
but now that the heat of the battles that ensued on several websites as a result of it has cooled, I'm not proud of my part in it and I think that would have been the perfect reason and time to close those boards.
I know I was part of those discussions---mostly stupid to be so pissed off about all what was going on....I was mostly in argument for the band to keep playing--after all it was 8 years of nothing... so this was better than silence.
