It's gotta be killing "The Voice".

[Arianddu]

Do you deny that Neal hasn't obeyed said gag order, whether he speaks the truth or not?

I've never heard Neal say anything derogatory about Perry. He said he doesn't want to work and he talks through lawyers. Seems pretty truthfull to me. I'm still waiting for those quotes.

http://men.style.com/gq/features/full?id=content_6818&pageNum=4

“Oh, y’know,” Schon says. “There’s no legal issue. We just try not to. I mean, I didn’t say anything inflammatory. I didn’t talk about how he still gets paid like a motherfucker even though he shouldn’t be. It’s stuff like that I’m not allowed to talk about. He sorta just bitches and moans and whines about everything. And he just assumes that every time we bring up his name, that we’re sayin’ bad things.”

Derogatory - not exactly. Polite - no. Classy - fuck no!
You're the one who said "He had everyone sign a gag order and they can't say anything bad about each other" - bad =/= derogatory. And I don't see Perry speaking in a similar manner.

Like I said - props to Perry and more to Valory - in public at least they keep it nicey-nicey.

Sometimes the truth hurts. Neal was simply being brutally honest.

Not saying he's wrong, AM saying he's mouthing off in public and Perry doesn't. End of story.

[Saint John]

Neal's a fuckin' winner. The guy has been put through hell and put himself through hell, but as the dust settles you have a guy that takes his axe to work every year, still loves what he does and is loaded beyond belief regardless of what people may think. Everyone seems to care about Neal's finances and how many alimony checks he has to pay each month....except Neal!!! The guy still has the skills to pay the bills.

[Saint John]

Not saying he's wrong, AM saying he's mouthing off in public and Perry doesn't. End of story.

Of course Perry doesn't. It would spell the end of him being the perpetual victim and all but destroy his "woe is me" facade.

[Arianddu]

Neal's a fuckin' winner. The guy has been put through hell and put himself through hell, but as the dust settles you have a guy that takes his axe to work every year, still loves what he does and is loaded beyond belief regardless of what people may think. Everyone seems to care about Neal's finances and how many alimony checks he has to pay each month....except Neal!!! The guy still has the skills to pay the bills.

Don't disagree - also don't see what it's got to do with the thread

[Don]

Ted Bundy was a classy dude in public also. A little different in private though.

[Arianddu]

Not saying he's wrong, AM saying he's mouthing off in public and Perry doesn't. End of story.

Of course Perry doesn't. It would spell the end of him being the perpetual victim and all but destroy his "woe is me" facade.

Oh for Pete's sake man, what do you want? I said Perry shows some class by not dishing his ex-band mates, you say it's because he got everyone to sign a gag order not to speak badly of each other. BJG points out Schon hasn't obeyed said order, you say he's just telling the truth. I point out that truth or not, Perry is polite in public, Schon isn't. You ask for quotes from Schon where he speaks badly of Perry, I give it to you. You say Schon's being brutally honest, I point out again that Perry is polite in public, Schon isn't. Now it's this! How the fuck does saying Schon/Cain/Valory etc are talented individuals and that he enjoyed his time in the band make him a victim? How the hell does his being polite about them in public say 'woe is me'?

Perry is polite and publically speaks well of his former band mates and I call that classy; Schon bitches about Perry and can't keep his trap shut, I say it isn't classy! Sheesh! Anyone would think you don't want to accept that maybe Perry can show a little class in how he speaks about people he has bad personal history with. Get over it dude.

[Michigan Girl]

Not saying he's wrong, AM saying he's mouthing off in public and Perry doesn't. End of story.

Of course Perry doesn't. It would spell the end of him being the perpetual victim and all but destroy his "woe is me" facade.

Oh for Pete's sake man, what do you want? I said Perry shows some class by not dishing his ex-band mates, you say it's because he got everyone to sign a gag order not to speak badly of each other. BJG points out Schon hasn't obeyed said order, you say he's just telling the truth. I point out that truth or not, Perry is polite in public, Schon isn't. You ask for quotes from Schon where he speaks badly of Perry, I give it to you. You say Schon's being brutally honest, I point out again that Perry is polite in public, Schon isn't. Now it's this! How the fuck does saying Schon/Cain/Valory etc are talented individuals and that he enjoyed his time in the band make him a victim? How the hell does his being polite about them in public say 'woe is me'?

Perry is polite and publically speaks well of his former band mates and I call that classy; Schon bitches about Perry and can't keep his trap shut, I say it isn't classy! Sheesh! Anyone would think you don't want to accept that maybe Perry can show a little class in how he speaks about people he has bad personal history with. Get over it dude.

LMAO!!!

[Deb]

Not saying he's wrong, AM saying he's mouthing off in public and Perry doesn't. End of story.

Of course Perry doesn't. It would spell the end of him being the perpetual victim and all but destroy his "woe is me" facade.

Oh for Pete's sake man, what do you want? I said Perry shows some class by not dishing his ex-band mates, you say it's because he got everyone to sign a gag order not to speak badly of each other. BJG points out Schon hasn't obeyed said order, you say he's just telling the truth. I point out that truth or not, Perry is polite in public, Schon isn't. You ask for quotes from Schon where he speaks badly of Perry, I give it to you. You say Schon's being brutally honest, I point out again that Perry is polite in public, Schon isn't. Now it's this! How the fuck does saying Schon/Cain/Valory etc are talented individuals and that he enjoyed his time in the band make him a victim? How the hell does his being polite about them in public say 'woe is me'?

Perry is polite and publically speaks well of his former band mates and I call that classy; Schon bitches about Perry and can't keep his trap shut, I say it isn't classy! Sheesh! Anyone would think you don't want to accept that maybe Perry can show a little class in how he speaks about people he has bad personal history with. Get over it dude.

LMAO, would love to be a fly on SJ's ear, just to watch the inner turmoil going on in his head regarding Perry. He loves him, he hates him, he loves him, he hates him.

[Don]

Perry makes it easy to be a masochist.

[DracIsBack]

It would spell the end of him being the perpetual victim and all but destroy his "woe is me" facade.

Geez, St. John ... you act like you're over at Perry's house for lunch three times a week and have known him personally for years.

[Arianddu]

LMAO, would love to be a fly on SJ's ear, just to watch the inner turmoil going on in his head regarding Perry. He loves him, he hates him, he loves him, he hates him.

I don't know, maybe Perry never called him back after their first date! Honestly, anyone would think SMF'P pissed on his carpet, fucked his cat and ate the last of his cheesecake or something.

[Saint John]

also don't see what it's got to do with the thread

lol...ya got me there.

[Saint John]

Ted Bundy was a classy dude in public also. A little different in private though.

Hey, fucker...I've used that line in here almost verbatum. I'm suing.

[Don]

Ted Bundy was a classy dude in public also. A little different in private though.

Hey, fucker...I've used that line in here almost verbatum. I'm suing.

I was going to say Jack the Ripper but some loon would be asking how I knew.

[Michigan Girl]

Ted Bundy was a classy dude in public also. A little different in private though.

Hey, fucker...I've used that line in here almost verbatum. I'm suing.

I was going to say Jack the Ripper but some loon would be asking how I knew.

Why would it have to be a loon? Brains?

[Onestepper]

Ted Bundy was a classy dude in public also. A little different in private though.

Bingo. Although not comparing Perry to Bundy There are a lot of people out there that act classy when the cameras or mics are rolling, but are the complete asshole when they are dealing with people in private. I'm by no means trashing Perry. I just think that he should be held to the same standard as everyone else when it comes to how he is perceived.

[Don]

Ted Bundy was a classy dude in public also. A little different in private though.

Hey, fucker...I've used that line in here almost verbatum. I'm suing.

I was going to say Jack the Ripper but some loon would be asking how I knew.

Why would it have to be a loon? Brains?

Brains are to loons as pantyliners are to panties.

[Arianddu]

Ted Bundy was a classy dude in public also. A little different in private though.

Hey, fucker...I've used that line in here almost verbatum. I'm suing.

I was going to say Jack the Ripper but some loon would be asking how I knew.

Why would it have to be a loon? Brains?

Brains are to loons as pantyliners are to panties.

Absorbant?

[Angel]

Ted Bundy was a classy dude in public also. A little different in private though.

Hey, fucker...I've used that line in here almost verbatum. I'm suing.

I was going to say Jack the Ripper but some loon would be asking how I knew.

Why would it have to be a loon? Brains?

Brains are to loons as pantyliners are to panties.

Brains protect loons from vaginal discharge?????????

[Saint John]

Perry is polite in public, Schon isn't.

I think being phony in public isn't polite.

How the fuck does saying Schon/Cain/Valory etc are talented individuals and that he enjoyed his time in the band make him a victim? How the hell does his being polite about them in public say 'woe is me'?

I was referring to his vague references to "physical issues" he always alludes to. He speaks in codes and has never divulged why he won't sing. He starts to talk about it and always gives the heavy sigh and then beats around the bush to drum up interest, but never fully explains anything. Just his little cat and mouse game.

Perry is polite and publically speaks well of his former band mates and I call that classy; Schon bitches about Perry and can't keep his trap shut, I say it isn't classy

Specific to Perry's talent Neal seemingly gets a boner when he talks about Perry's time with the band and comes across as fawning over the guy's talents. Neal has never dissed Perry's talent. As a person, more specifically as a bandmate, he thinks the guy's an asshole...and he's not the only one.

[Arianddu]

Perry is polite in public, Schon isn't.

I think being phony in public isn't polite.

How the fuck does saying Schon/Cain/Valory etc are talented individuals and that he enjoyed his time in the band make him a victim? How the hell does his being polite about them in public say 'woe is me'?

I was referring to his vague references to "physical issues" he always alludes to. He speaks in codes and has never divulged why he won't sing. He starts to talk about it and always gives the heavy sigh and then beats around the bush to drum up interest, but never fully explains anything. Just his little cat and mouse game.

Perry is polite and publically speaks well of his former band mates and I call that classy; Schon bitches about Perry and can't keep his trap shut, I say it isn't classy

Specific to Perry's talent Neal seemingly gets a boner when he talks about Perry's time with the band and comes across as fawning over the guy's talents. Neal has never dissed Perry's talent. As a person, more specifically as a bandmate, he thinks the guy's an asshole...and he's not the only one.

I say again - anyone would think you don't want to accept that maybe Perry can show a little class in how he speaks about people he has bad personal history with. Get over it.

Yup, Perry definately ate the last of your cheesecake!

[Michigan Girl]

Ted Bundy was a classy dude in public also. A little different in private though.

Hey, fucker...I've used that line in here almost verbatum. I'm suing.

I was going to say Jack the Ripper but some loon would be asking how I knew.

Why would it have to be a loon? Brains?

Brains are to loons as pantyliners are to panties.

Absorbant?

No, they are discreet and they know what is ABNORMAL!!!

[Saint John]

I say again - anyone would think you don't want to accept that maybe Perry can show a little class in how he speaks about people he has bad personal history with. Get over it.

I guess just knowing what he says is predominantly bullshit clouds my judgment.

Yup, Perry definately ate the last of your cheesecake!

Fucker would be in intensive care if he ever did that!!!

[Arianddu]

Yup, Perry definately ate the last of your cheesecake!

Fucker would be in intensive care if he ever did that!!!

Now on THAT we agree! Cheesecake is sacred; touch mine and expect to lose your arm.

[X factor]

They've played to millions of fans post-Perry. If he was that important people wouldn't be satisfied without him, but that's simply not the case.

Sometimes you sound as dopey as your sidekick Taco Boy. This issue isn't worth debating with you, because you actually believe that most of the fans showing up at Journey concerts know that they are on their 3rd lead singer since Perry. The reality is that many showing up have no freakin' clue. Also, even if they did have a clue, they are there to listen to the music that Perry made famous and to transport themselves back to 1982, even if just for a moment!

Journey hasn't been remotely relevant musically, since Perry left. I don't care about the tours, because many bands sell plenty of concert tickets. I'm talking about relevant in the larger sense, meaning even fans who aren't Journey fans have been hearing their music on the radio since Perry's departure. I don't want to hear about the gay "Adult Contemporary" chart, because it's about as relevant as all of us old fucks on this board talking about a band who hasn't been relevant in almost a quarter century (with the lone exception of "When You Love A Woman").

Johnny is RIGHT ON THE MONEY with this post! Heck, I'm glad they're still playing too, and I dig some of the post Perry stuff alot. But they have but ONE PATH to relevance, and that's WHEN Perry decides to take these guys back. You know it, I know it, and guess what? THEY know it too!

John from Boston

[kgdjpubs]

They've played to millions of fans post-Perry. If he was that important people wouldn't be satisfied without him, but that's simply not the case.

Sometimes you sound as dopey as your sidekick Taco Boy. This issue isn't worth debating with you, because you actually believe that most of the fans showing up at Journey concerts know that they are on their 3rd lead singer since Perry. The reality is that many showing up have no freakin' clue. Also, even if they did have a clue, they are there to listen to the music that Perry made famous and to transport themselves back to 1982, even if just for a moment!

Journey hasn't been remotely relevant musically, since Perry left. I don't care about the tours, because many bands sell plenty of concert tickets. I'm talking about relevant in the larger sense, meaning even fans who aren't Journey fans have been hearing their music on the radio since Perry's departure. I don't want to hear about the gay "Adult Contemporary" chart, because it's about as relevant as all of us old fucks on this board talking about a band who hasn't been relevant in almost a quarter century (with the lone exception of "When You Love A Woman").

Johnny is RIGHT ON THE MONEY with this post! Heck, I'm glad they're still playing too, and I dig some of the post Perry stuff alot. But they have but ONE PATH to relevance, and that's WHEN Perry decides to take these guys back. You know it, I know it, and guess what? THEY know it too!

John from Boston

maybe, but Perry had issues with a down-tuned 90-minute show on tour almost 15 years ago. What makes you think he could do a 2hr show, even down-tuned, now????

I think Perry is stuck between a rock and a hard place---either stay silent and let the hardcore fans debate whether you can still sing up to par now, or go back out on the road and possibly prove to the rest of the world that maybe you can't. It's a bad decision either way.

[Jana]

How many dates did he play in the FTLOSM tour before cancelling the rest of it? Does anyone know? It seemed like, if I remember correctly, he played a fair amount of dates and his voice sounded fine until the bronchitis or whatever he had.


Having said that, it's been twelve years. He's 60. A concert tour just is not going to happen. Album maybe.

[Enigma869]

You just follow them on a message board. What's the point if you don't care.

Actually Taco Boy...I don't "follow" them at all. Their old news and washed up and have been for years. I hang around MR for some of the people I like. Not everyone here is a douche like you and your gay butt lover Schon


John from Boston

[Saint John]

And the guy wonders why his voice is trashed. Can't blame Neal for this moronic schedule!!!
11 shows in 14 days at the age of 45...real smart.

Nov. 14, 1994 Albany, NY Sass Jordan
Nov. 15, 1994 Massey Hall, Toronto, ONT Sass Jordan
Nov. 16, 1994 Tower Theater, Philadelphia Upper Darby, PA Sass Jordan
Nov. 17, 1994 Central Maine Civic Center. Lewiston, ME Sass Jordan
Nov. 18, 1994 Orpheum Theater. Boston, Ma Sass Jordan
Nov. 20, 1994 Hershey Park Arena. Hershey, PA Sass Jordan
Nov. 22, 1994 Fox Theater. Atlanta, GA Sass Jordan
Nov. 23, 1994 Jacksonville, FL Sass Jordan
Nov. 24, 1994 Bob Carr Performing Arts Center. Orlando, FL Sass Jordan
Nov. 25, 1994 Sunrise Musical Theater. Sunrise, FL Sass Jordan
Nov. 27, 1994 Mahaffey Theater. St. Petersburg, FL Sass Jordan

[Tito]

You just follow them on a message board. What's the point if you don't care.

Actually Taco Boy...I don't "follow" them at all. Their old news and washed up and have been for years. I hang around MR for some of the people I like. Not everyone here is a douche like you and your gay butt lover Schon


John from Boston

That the point, if you don't follow them, why are you here. Why did you come here in the first place. That doesn't make any sense.