Question for Madsplash

[artist4perry]

Due to the nature of the trial, I can't disclose that information.

[bluejeangirl76]

Perry has connections in the poultry buisness.........

Cats taste like chicken. He likes to tenderize them.

Sick and twisted BJG, but funny as hell!

Be sure to tip your wait staff.

[Arianddu]

Serenity now.

Clueless wow...............

Completely CLUED.

You have all the charm of Foghorn Leghorn.................all talk and no listen.

What's the big... I say, what's the big idea? All this talk about a new Steve Perry CD...some folkes all they do is talk, talk, talk....never know when to be quiet. New Perry CD this, new Perry CD that, where's the proof boy? I say where's the proof? Just a Yap-yap-yapin', keepin' that mouth flappin' and do no listenin'. Just a pradlin' along...never knowin' when to shut up.
There's nothin' worse than a blabber-mouth, I say, there's nothin' worse.....Listen to me boy when I'm a talkin' to ya.
Boy's got a mouth like a cannon, always shootin' it off. Seems some folkes like nothin' better than to hear their own voice. Not me,I'm not one that has to keep talkin'. Some fellas just have to keep their mouths flappin', but not me! I was brought up right, my pa used to tell me "shut up" and I'd shut up! I wouldn't say nothin'! One time, darn-near starved to death - Wouldn't tell him I was hungry! Are you listenin' Boy? Pay attention, sonny when I'm a talkin' to ya. As I was sayin'..........

Ginger, when you die, can you leave me your husband in your will?

[Rip Rokken]

Serenity now.

Clueless wow...............

Completely CLUED.

A new Steve Perry CD, ya say? SWEET!!!!!!!!



Hey........................................... Who's singing on it?


Seriously, dude, I hope the studio doesn't read MR or you might get your brother, or cousin-in-law or whoever has been leaking that info out fiiiiiiiii-aaaahhhhhhd, knowwhutimean?

[perryswoman]

Well great Madsplash. We might just see Perry cd this year! Again, here's hoping!

[Rockindeano]

A new Steve Perry CD, ya say? SWEET!!!!!!!!



Hey........................................... Who's singing on it?

Just what the Hell is this supposed to mean?

[perryswoman]

A new Steve Perry CD, ya say? SWEET!!!!!!!!



Hey........................................... Who's singing on it?

Just what the Hell is this supposed to mean?

Good find Deano. What in the hell does it mean?

[Granny]

A new Steve Perry CD, ya say? SWEET!!!!!!!!



Hey........................................... Who's singing on it?

Just what the Hell is this supposed to mean?

Good find Deano. What in the hell does it mean?

It means there are some very sick people on here...No sense of humor at all...LOL...This is getting pretty tiresome...
same old topic all the time...
Yes we love Steve and we want some new music...but folks, GET A LIFE, change the subject please. I'm getting too old to keep reading the same crap day after day....
MS, as soon as you get some new info, please post it but until then please keep quiet..

Dean, we need to hear more from you...

PS, Dean....miss you and love you...say Hello to Lula and kiss Wyatt for me.

[Jana]

A new Steve Perry CD, ya say? SWEET!!!!!!!!



Hey........................................... Who's singing on it?

Just what the Hell is this supposed to mean?

Good find Deano. What in the hell does it mean?

It means there are some very sick people on here...No sense of humor at all...LOL...This is getting pretty tiresome...
same old topic all the time...
Yes we love Steve and we want some new music...but folks, GET A LIFE, change the subject please. I'm getting too old to keep reading the same crap day after day....
MS, as soon as you get some new info, please post it but until then please keep quiet..

Dean, we need to hear more from you...

PS, Dean....miss you and love you...say Hello to Lula and kiss Wyatt for me.

I took it to be Rip just being funny. It was a witty, sarcastic comeback, the hallmark of MR humor.

[Rockindeano]

A new Steve Perry CD, ya say? SWEET!!!!!!!!



Hey........................................... Who's singing on it?

Just what the Hell is this supposed to mean?

Good find Deano. What in the hell does it mean?

It means there are some very sick people on here...No sense of humor at all...LOL...This is getting pretty tiresome...
same old topic all the time...
Yes we love Steve and we want some new music...but folks, GET A LIFE, change the subject please. I'm getting too old to keep reading the same crap day after day....
MS, as soon as you get some new info, please post it but until then please keep quiet..

Dean, we need to hear more from you...

PS, Dean....miss you and love you...say Hello to Lula and kiss Wyatt for me.

I took it to be Rip just being funny. It was a witty, sarcastic comeback, the hallmark of MR humor.

Witty? I'll remember that the next time someone makes a "witty" comeback/remark and directs it towards Pineda.

I am a bit confused, because Rip is an all class guy, and yet if I wasn't the complete dipshit that I am, I could swear he is poking ridicule at Perry. I hope to Hell that isn't the case, especially from a guy who vehemently defends Mr. Pineda at any and all costs.

I'll await his answer.

[madsplash]

A new Steve Perry CD, ya say? SWEET!!!!!!!!



Hey........................................... Who's singing on it?

Just what the Hell is this supposed to mean?

Good find Deano. What in the hell does it mean?

It means there are some very sick people on here...No sense of humor at all...LOL...This is getting pretty tiresome...
same old topic all the time...
Yes we love Steve and we want some new music...but folks, GET A LIFE, change the subject please. I'm getting too old to keep reading the same crap day after day....
MS, as soon as you get some new info, please post it but until then please keep quiet..

Dean, we need to hear more from you...

PS, Dean....miss you and love you...say Hello to Lula and kiss Wyatt for me.

I took it to be Rip just being funny. It was a witty, sarcastic comeback, the hallmark of MR humor.

Witty? I'll remember that the next time someone makes a "witty" comeback/remark and directs it towards Pineda.

I am a bit confused, because Rip is an all class guy, and yet if I wasn't the complete dipshit that I am, I could swear he is poking ridicule at Perry. I hope to Hell that isn't the case, especially from a guy who vehemently defends Mr. Pineda at any and all costs.

I'll await his answer.

Ridiculing Perry while defending Arnel, would be like ridiculing Ferrari while defending Dodge. Laughable. SP in the lowest friggin key, will outsing Arnel in every other aspect, and maybe even match him in range with how his voice is supposed to be sounding lately.

[Gideon]

Ridiculing Perry while defending Arnel, would be like ridiculing Ferrari while defending Dodge. Laughable. SP in the lowest friggin key, will outsing Arnel in every other aspect, and maybe even match him in range with how his voice is supposed to be sounding lately.

That's a bold claim.

Arnel Pineda demonstrates far greater vocal skill on Revelation than Steve Perry does on Trial By Fire. His range is superior, by far. His power is superior, by far. His control is superior, by far. The only thing that studio-Perry has on studio-Arnel circa TBF is phrasing.

[madsplash]

Ridiculing Perry while defending Arnel, would be like ridiculing Ferrari while defending Dodge. Laughable. SP in the lowest friggin key, will outsing Arnel in every other aspect, and maybe even match him in range with how his voice is supposed to be sounding lately.

That's a bold claim.

Arnel Pineda demonstrates far greater vocal skill on Revelation than Steve Perry does on Trial By Fire. His range is superior, by far. His power is superior, by far. His control is superior, by far. The only thing that studio-Perry has on studio-Arnel circa TBF is phrasing.

Those are your opinions. The only thing he HAD is more range at that time. Everything else you said, especially control, is wrong. You may have a different view, and get a big surprise when we next hear Mr. Perry sing.

[Gideon]

Ridiculing Perry while defending Arnel, would be like ridiculing Ferrari while defending Dodge. Laughable. SP in the lowest friggin key, will outsing Arnel in every other aspect, and maybe even match him in range with how his voice is supposed to be sounding lately.

That's a bold claim.

Arnel Pineda demonstrates far greater vocal skill on Revelation than Steve Perry does on Trial By Fire. His range is superior, by far. His power is superior, by far. His control is superior, by far. The only thing that studio-Perry has on studio-Arnel circa TBF is phrasing.

Those are your opinions. The only thing he HAD is more range at that time. Everything else you said, especially control, is wrong. You may have a different view, and get a big surprise when we next hear Mr. Perry sing.

Of the two of us, I suppose I'm the only one equipped with the ability to hear. Have you actually listened to both albums? Pineda kicks the shit out of Perry in all technical aspects as of TBF.

[Rockindeano]

Ridiculing Perry while defending Arnel, would be like ridiculing Ferrari while defending Dodge. Laughable. SP in the lowest friggin key, will outsing Arnel in every other aspect, and maybe even match him in range with how his voice is supposed to be sounding lately.

That's a bold claim.

Arnel Pineda demonstrates far greater vocal skill on Revelation than Steve Perry does on Trial By Fire. His range is superior, by far. His power is superior, by far. His control is superior, by far. The only thing that studio-Perry has on studio-Arnel circa TBF is phrasing.

Those are your opinions. The only thing he HAD is more range at that time. Everything else you said, especially control, is wrong. You may have a different view, and get a big surprise when we next hear Mr. Perry sing.

Of the two of us, I suppose I'm the only one equipped with the ability to hear. Have you actually listened to both albums? Pineda kicks the shit out of Perry in all technical aspects as of TBF.

LOL. You fuckin bitcher. You telling all of us how it is. Again, LOL.

[G.I.Jim]

Ridiculing Perry while defending Arnel, would be like ridiculing Ferrari while defending Dodge. Laughable. SP in the lowest friggin key, will outsing Arnel in every other aspect, and maybe even match him in range with how his voice is supposed to be sounding lately.

That's a bold claim.

Arnel Pineda demonstrates far greater vocal skill on Revelation than Steve Perry does on Trial By Fire. His range is superior, by far. His power is superior, by far. His control is superior, by far. The only thing that studio-Perry has on studio-Arnel circa TBF is phrasing.

Wrong....very wrong. Did Arnel contribute song writing? Okay there's one check mark for Perry. As far as power...Yngwie Malmsteen is faster at guitar. Does that make him better than Neal? I don't think so. Just because you believe Arnel had more power, it doesn't make him a better "Studio" singer than Perry. Perry has more soul and feeling in his songs than just about any other singer. and like I said...he actually WROTE some of the songs on the album.

Range? While Arnel may have a few notes higher range-wise...again...doesn't mean he's "more superior" than Perry in the studio. Range isn't the only thing that drives album sales, or makes a good song...just ask Johnny Cash. Well, that may be hard, but you get the point.

Everything (other than the range) you've stated is completely subjective. If you don't like TBF, you don't HAVE to listen to it. Please give me an example of Arnel having better "Control" than Perry. I'm curious to hear this.

[Deacon]

LOL. You fuckin bitcher.

Oh, the irony...

[madsplash]

Ridiculing Perry while defending Arnel, would be like ridiculing Ferrari while defending Dodge. Laughable. SP in the lowest friggin key, will outsing Arnel in every other aspect, and maybe even match him in range with how his voice is supposed to be sounding lately.

That's a bold claim.

Arnel Pineda demonstrates far greater vocal skill on Revelation than Steve Perry does on Trial By Fire. His range is superior, by far. His power is superior, by far. His control is superior, by far. The only thing that studio-Perry has on studio-Arnel circa TBF is phrasing.

Wrong....very wrong. Did Arnel contribute song writing? Okay there's one check mark for Perry. As far as power...Yngwie Malmsteen is faster at guitar. Does that make him better than Neal? I don't think so. Just because you believe Arnel had more power, it doesn't make him a better "Studio" singer than Perry. Perry has more soul and feeling in his songs than just about any other singer. and like I said...he actually WROTE some of the songs on the album.

Range? While Arnel may have a few notes higher range-wise...again...doesn't mean he's "more superior" than Perry in the studio. Range isn't the only thing that drives album sales, or makes a good song...just ask Johnny Cash. Well, that may be hard, but you get the point.

Everything (other than the range) you've stated is completely subjective. If you don't like TBF, you don't HAVE to listen to it. Please give me an example of Arnel having better "Control" than Perry. I'm curious to hear this.

Me too.

[madsplash]

Ridiculing Perry while defending Arnel, would be like ridiculing Ferrari while defending Dodge. Laughable. SP in the lowest friggin key, will outsing Arnel in every other aspect, and maybe even match him in range with how his voice is supposed to be sounding lately.

That's a bold claim.

Arnel Pineda demonstrates far greater vocal skill on Revelation than Steve Perry does on Trial By Fire. His range is superior, by far. His power is superior, by far. His control is superior, by far. The only thing that studio-Perry has on studio-Arnel circa TBF is phrasing.

Those are your opinions. The only thing he HAD is more range at that time. Everything else you said, especially control, is wrong. You may have a different view, and get a big surprise when we next hear Mr. Perry sing.

Of the two of us, I suppose I'm the only one equipped with the ability to hear. Have you actually listened to both albums? Pineda kicks the shit out of Perry in all technical aspects as of TBF.

Yes I have. I stand by what I said.

[Gideon]

Ridiculing Perry while defending Arnel, would be like ridiculing Ferrari while defending Dodge. Laughable. SP in the lowest friggin key, will outsing Arnel in every other aspect, and maybe even match him in range with how his voice is supposed to be sounding lately.

That's a bold claim.

Arnel Pineda demonstrates far greater vocal skill on Revelation than Steve Perry does on Trial By Fire. His range is superior, by far. His power is superior, by far. His control is superior, by far. The only thing that studio-Perry has on studio-Arnel circa TBF is phrasing.

Those are your opinions. The only thing he HAD is more range at that time. Everything else you said, especially control, is wrong. You may have a different view, and get a big surprise when we next hear Mr. Perry sing.

Of the two of us, I suppose I'm the only one equipped with the ability to hear. Have you actually listened to both albums? Pineda kicks the shit out of Perry in all technical aspects as of TBF.

LOL. You fuckin bitcher. You telling all of us how it is. Again, LOL.

I guess I have to run through the "objective vs. subjective" speech again... here it goes.

Some things are not subjective, vocally. One can objectively measure the technical aspects of a vocalist with accuracy relative to another vocalist by a comparison. Technical aspects like range, power, phrasing, control, breath control, and so on can be measured. Whether or not you prefer a vocalist is subjective.

If you compare Jon Bon Jovi to Steve Perry, you can objectively measure that Perry demonstrates far greater range, far greater power, far greater control. He dominates all of the technical aspects, despite the fact that Bon Jovi is more successful and well known and that more people (if record sales are a clue) like him.

By comparing Arnel Pineda to recent-era Steve Perry, you can objectively measure that Perry falls up short on all the technical aspects. That doesn't mean he sucks or that he's bad, but Arnel demonstrates more technical ability. It's a fucking no brainer.

[Jana]

Ridiculing Perry while defending Arnel, would be like ridiculing Ferrari while defending Dodge. Laughable. SP in the lowest friggin key, will outsing Arnel in every other aspect, and maybe even match him in range with how his voice is supposed to be sounding lately.

That's a bold claim.

Arnel Pineda demonstrates far greater vocal skill on Revelation than Steve Perry does on Trial By Fire. His range is superior, by far. His power is superior, by far. His control is superior, by far. The only thing that studio-Perry has on studio-Arnel circa TBF is phrasing.

Wrong....very wrong. Did Arnel contribute song writing? Okay there's one check mark for Perry. As far as power...Yngwie Malmsteen is faster at guitar. Does that make him better than Neal? I don't think so. Just because you believe Arnel had more power, it doesn't make him a better "Studio" singer than Perry. Perry has more soul and feeling in his songs than just about any other singer. and like I said...he actually WROTE some of the songs on the album.

Range? While Arnel may have a few notes higher range-wise...again...doesn't mean he's "more superior" than Perry in the studio. Range isn't the only thing that drives album sales, or makes a good song...just ask Johnny Cash. Well, that may be hard, but you get the point.

Everything (other than the range) you've stated is completely subjective. If you don't like TBF, you don't HAVE to listen to it. Please give me an example of Arnel having better "Control" than Perry. I'm curious to hear this.

True, he does have more soul and feeling in his songs in delivery. He's the master at that, untouchable.

[Gideon]

Ridiculing Perry while defending Arnel, would be like ridiculing Ferrari while defending Dodge. Laughable. SP in the lowest friggin key, will outsing Arnel in every other aspect, and maybe even match him in range with how his voice is supposed to be sounding lately.

That's a bold claim.

Arnel Pineda demonstrates far greater vocal skill on Revelation than Steve Perry does on Trial By Fire. His range is superior, by far. His power is superior, by far. His control is superior, by far. The only thing that studio-Perry has on studio-Arnel circa TBF is phrasing.

Wrong....very wrong. Did Arnel contribute song writing? Okay there's one check mark for Perry. As far as power...Yngwie Malmsteen is faster at guitar. Does that make him better than Neal? I don't think so. Just because you believe Arnel had more power, it doesn't make him a better "Studio" singer than Perry. Perry has more soul and feeling in his songs than just about any other singer. and like I said...he actually WROTE some of the songs on the album.

Range? While Arnel may have a few notes higher range-wise...again...doesn't mean he's "more superior" than Perry in the studio. Range isn't the only thing that drives album sales, or makes a good song...just ask Johnny Cash. Well, that may be hard, but you get the point.

Everything (other than the range) you've stated is completely subjective. If you don't like TBF, you don't HAVE to listen to it. Please give me an example of Arnel having better "Control" than Perry. I'm curious to hear this.

Jim, seriously, what the fuck is this?

No joke, man, but I honestly don't think you read a thing I said. How does Perry's songwriting make him a better singer on technical aspects? What the hell does album sales or "good songs" have to do with this?

[Gideon]

True, he does have more soul and feeling in his songs in delivery. He's the master at that, untouchable.

That is completely subjective. You can't measure emotion. What's the scale? How many times his voice quivers when he sings "Open Arms" or cries during a rendition of "Faithfully"?

Not that I necessarily disagree, but there's where people get confused and try to apply blanket statements over things that cannot be measured.

[G.I.Jim]

Ridiculing Perry while defending Arnel, would be like ridiculing Ferrari while defending Dodge. Laughable. SP in the lowest friggin key, will outsing Arnel in every other aspect, and maybe even match him in range with how his voice is supposed to be sounding lately.

That's a bold claim.

Arnel Pineda demonstrates far greater vocal skill on Revelation than Steve Perry does on Trial By Fire. His range is superior, by far. His power is superior, by far. His control is superior, by far. The only thing that studio-Perry has on studio-Arnel circa TBF is phrasing.

Wrong....very wrong. Did Arnel contribute song writing? Okay there's one check mark for Perry. As far as power...Yngwie Malmsteen is faster at guitar. Does that make him better than Neal? I don't think so. Just because you believe Arnel had more power, it doesn't make him a better "Studio" singer than Perry. Perry has more soul and feeling in his songs than just about any other singer. and like I said...he actually WROTE some of the songs on the album.

Range? While Arnel may have a few notes higher range-wise...again...doesn't mean he's "more superior" than Perry in the studio. Range isn't the only thing that drives album sales, or makes a good song...just ask Johnny Cash. Well, that may be hard, but you get the point.

Everything (other than the range) you've stated is completely subjective. If you don't like TBF, you don't HAVE to listen to it. Please give me an example of Arnel having better "Control" than Perry. I'm curious to hear this.

Jim, seriously, what the fuck is this?

No joke, man, but I honestly don't think you read a thing I said. How does Perry's songwriting make him a better singer on technical aspects? What the hell does album sales or "good songs" have to do with this?

Okay...answer my other points. Range I'll give you. The rest is purely subjective. That's what the "fuck" it is, and is purely your opinion. State your case, and give me examples. Not many people on this planet are "Superior" to Perry in the studio. If you think otherwise...state some facts or STFU!

[Gideon]

You are unbelievable, Jim.

Okay...answer my other points.

Like, what?

Album sales? Okay. The Rolling Stones have outsold Journey by an abysmal degree. Henceforth, Mick Jagger is a better singer than Arnel Pineda, Steve Augeri, and the great Steve Perry combined.

Songwriting? Okay. Bob Dylan is regarded as one of the finest lyricists to ever grace the radio or the music industry as we know it. Steve Perry? Not so much. Henceforth, Bob Dylan is a better singer than Steve Perry.

That is the logic you're using. I'd stick to something a little more reliable if I were you.

Range I'll give you.

Thank you.

The rest is purely subjective.

They aren't. Why did you concede that Arnel displays more range? Because he demonstrates greater range on the album than Perry does on TBF. The same goes for power, for control, for breath control. The only thing that Perry has on Arnel is phrasing, and that is a slim victory in the studio.

That's what the "fuck" it is, and is purely your opinion.

This coming from the guy who cites album sales and songwriting as an indicator of great vocal talent. You know better.

Not many people on this planet are "Superior" to Perry in the studio.

Oh, you've heard everyone in the world sing?

And we're talking TBF-era Perry, not Perry in his prime.

If you think otherwise...state some facts or STFU!

Done.

By the way, Jim, I don't intend for this to get personal, but you've committed some logical fallacies that boggle the mind. Take the time to read carefully rather than jump to Perry's defense.

[Jana]

True, he does have more soul and feeling in his songs in delivery. He's the master at that, untouchable.

That is completely subjective. You can't measure emotion. What's the scale? How many times his voice quivers when he sings "Open Arms" or cries during a rendition of "Faithfully"?

Not that I necessarily disagree, but there's where people get confused and try to apply blanket statements over things that cannot be measured.

No, it is subjective. You're right. But I feel he is a one-of-a-kind in that area. That doesn't mean his songs all move me more than other songs. Not at all. I can listen to some of the most stunningly delivered songs by Steve Perry on TBF, but I am far more moved emotionally by a couple of songs on Arrival by Augeri and TDTWT and AATY by Arnel and consider them in my list of favorites, which have beautiful melodies and lyrics and great vocals by both singers.

[Vladan]

Just a quick note: G.I.Jim is a professional musician. Personally, I wouldn't bother arguing there, he knows what he's talking about when it comes to music, singing, stuff like that. You can learn more from him than trying to argue, just a thought

[Gideon]

True, he does have more soul and feeling in his songs in delivery. He's the master at that, untouchable.

That is completely subjective. You can't measure emotion. What's the scale? How many times his voice quivers when he sings "Open Arms" or cries during a rendition of "Faithfully"?

Not that I necessarily disagree, but there's where people get confused and try to apply blanket statements over things that cannot be measured.

No, it is subjective. You're right. But I feel he is a one-of-a-kind in that area. That doesn't mean his songs all move me more than other songs. Not at all. I can listen to some of the most stunningly delivered songs by Steve Perry on TBF, but I am far more moved emotionally by a couple of songs on Arrival by Augeri and TDTWT and AATY by Arnel and consider them in my list of favorites, which have beautiful melodies and lyrics and great vocals by both singers.

Yeah, I went back and listened to Arrival and I have to say Augeri may tie with Perry on my list of preferred singers. Arnel's fantastic, but Augeri's got that tone.

[Gideon]

Just a quick note: G.I.Jim is a professional musician. Personally, I wouldn't bother arguing there, he knows what he's talking about when it comes to music, singing, stuff like that. You can learn more from him than trying to argue, just a thought

Just a quick note: when he can tell me how "album sales" and "songwriting" are indicative of greater vocal skill, I'll submit to him. Until such a time, I'll take my chances.

[G.I.Jim]

True, he does have more soul and feeling in his songs in delivery. He's the master at that, untouchable.

That is completely subjective. You can't measure emotion. What's the scale? How many times his voice quivers when he sings "Open Arms" or cries during a rendition of "Faithfully"?

Not that I necessarily disagree, but there's where people get confused and try to apply blanket statements over things that cannot be measured.

Okay...let's use YOUR logic here. How do you measure power? How do you measure vocal or breath control? Let me know. Thanks!