The 2008 US Presidential Election Thread

[donnaplease]

FWIW, I hate it when politicians do that shit. The phony outrage is sickening.

Everything about politicians is phony! These fuckers don't know any other way!


John from Boston

True dat.

[RedWingFan]

The media's already calling us racist anticipating his loss.

Name one news anchor who has said anything close to that effect.

It's still early. The AP just started polling to create the news story. They'll get there. Maybe just forming it as a question. But they'll put it out there.

[conversationpc]

Just breaking - McCain campaign advisor was on the take from Freddie Mac up until a month ago.
McCain claimed those ties were cut in 2005 and encouraged the press to do a thorough background check.
Careful what you wish for...

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/24/us/po ... nted=print

http://www.newsweek.com/id/160561/output/print

Weren't two of Obama's top financial advisors involved in running both Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae into the ground? Both campaigns have been on the take in this issue, not to mention that Obama was the second biggest recipient of money from those companies from 1989-2008 even though he was only in the Senate for three of those years.

[7 Wishes]

However, Obama's third-grade teacher voted for McCarthy, whereas McCain's was an ardent Taft supporter.

[conversationpc]

However, Obama's third-grade teacher voted for McCarthy, whereas McCain's was an ardent Taft supporter.

[RedWingFan]

Just breaking - McCain campaign advisor was on the take from Freddie Mac up until a month ago.
McCain claimed those ties were cut in 2005 and encouraged the press to do a thorough background check.
Careful what you wish for...

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/24/us/po ... nted=print

http://www.newsweek.com/id/160561/output/print

Weren't two of Obama's top financial advisors involved in running both Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae into the ground? Both campaigns have been on the take in this issue, not to mention that Obama was the second biggest recipient of money from those companies from 1989-2008 even though he was only in the Senate for three of those years.

Crooked politicians are only relevant when their Republicans. Isn't that right TNC?

[7 Wishes]

Well, Democratic politicians who rig elections in Illinois ARE exempt from the "corrupted" label.

[Jana]

Wow, I just saw most of Former President Bill Clinton's interview on the View on YouTube. First and foremost, I know I'm in the minority here, but I think Bill Clinton is a brilliant political mind ,and I believe he was a great president, minus his personal moral issues. Okay. I don't want to debate that. That's not what this post is about. It's about the current election. On the View his support for Obama was underwhelming. He praised McCain just as much as Obama, if not more. I loved a lot of what he said about the mortgage crisis and other issues, and I admired him for saying that you don't have to bash the other candidate to support your own candidate. That you vote on the issues that are important to you and which candidate supports those views. He also spoke about how people vote for all kinds of reasons, and it's not up to you to tell them they're wrong for the reason they are. Don't get me wrong I like the good things he says about McCain. I respect him for that. He said he thought Obama would win, but, believe me, it was a tepid endorsement. I don't want him to go over the top for Obama, because that would be phony. Obviously, there are wounds regarding Hillary being so close in the race. But the Democratic Party and Obama couldn't be happy about that interview, not receiving a more enthusiastic endorsement and mentioning McCain's name every time he mentioned Obama's. I hope there are no ulterior motives. He seems to be having a much harder time than Hillary. She's out doing what she can for his campaign now. And, yes, I really admire Hillary. It kills me that she is not the Democratic nominee. It kills me that McCain picked Palin and not Romney. Oh, forget it, don't get me started. That's off the topic of what my post was about. I can't change those two things. Peace,

[conversationpc]

LOL.
Even a Fox News producer has come out and stated that Palin's insulation from the press is "unprecedented".
Biden was easily the fiercest pugilist in the room throughout the Dem primary debates (second only to maybe Mike Gravel), this woman is walking into a lion's den.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/2 ... 28653.html

I am going to love it if Palin whoops Biden's ass in the debate. I have a feeling, though, that neither one of them is going to walk away with it.

[RedWingFan]

LOL.
Even a Fox News producer has come out and stated that Palin's insulation from the press is "unprecedented".
Biden was easily the fiercest pugilist in the room throughout the Dem primary debates (second only to maybe Mike Gravel), this woman is walking into a lion's den.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/2 ... 28653.html

I am going to love it if Palin whoops Biden's ass in the debate. I have a feeling, though, that neither one of them is going to walk away with it.

The Barracuda vs. The Plagiarist

[Jana]

Unbelievable how they are keeping Palin away from the press. She's the Republican nominee for the position of Vice President of the United States. It's a few months before the election. I don't care if she comes out in the debate and does great. That's not the point. That has nothing to do with keeping her under wraps from the big, bad press. I've never seen anything like it. If I was a Republican, I would feel the same way. Oops, I am a Registered Republican.

[iceberg]

Unbelievable how they are keeping Palin away from the press. She's the Republican nominee for the position of Vice President of the United States. It's a few months before the election. I don't care if she comes out in the debate and does great. That's not the point. That has nothing to do with keeping her under wraps from the big, bad press. I've never seen anything like it. If I was a Republican, I would feel the same way. Oops, I am a Registered Republican.

it's just as unbelievable how they let biden talk TO the press. geez, does he agree with anything from obama? : )

[7 Wishes]

RWF...come on. Palin's spiel is as original as Wonder Bread. She's more scripted than Bob Saget was in "Full House". Criticize Biden all you want, but don't pretend the Republicans aren't scared to have her actually SAY anything in front of anyone.

And a couple of photo ops with a few hand-selected foreign leaders does NOT give her ANY "foreign policy" experience.

[iceberg]

RWF...come on. Palin's spiel is as original as Wonder Bread. She's more scripted than Bob Saget was in "Full House". Criticize Biden all you want, but don't pretend the Republicans aren't scared to have her actually SAY anything in front of anyone.

And a couple of photo ops with a few hand-selected foreign leaders does NOT give her ANY "foreign policy" experience.

well unless the community obama organized was outside the US what does he have?

i'm not defending palin here - i hate both parties and wish the party of mankinds gift to common sense would rise up and slap them both around till they grew up. but palin's foreign policy exerience isn't the issue - it's a side issue blown up some by the dems to instill fear in someone as they learn now this political newcomer. if experience is an issue they both suffer, would you agree? if they both suffer which is worse, president not having it or vice president? i'd say president. so if i were a dem i'd not be so quick to bring up experience on strange levels where they're really not fair comparisons.

palin and obama are going to be around for awhile. i'll wait and see what they do first before i say what either can or can't do.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Weren't two of Obama's top financial advisors involved in running both Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae into the ground? Both campaigns have been on the take in this issue, not to mention that Obama was the second biggest recipient of money from those companies from 1989-2008 even though he was only in the Senate for three of those years.

Name names.
The Franklin Raines connection is wildly overblown.
Dude says he fielded some phone calls from Obama.
From the way Billy Cunningham was going off this Sunday, you'd think the guy actually worked for Obama's campaign.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/fact-c ... ction.html

Who is the second one?

[7 Wishes]

Well, the foreign policy thingie is rather important, considering the standard neo-conservative rallying cry is buffeted by Obama's youth and inexperience.

[7 Wishes]

This site is rather interesting. And facts are facts.

http://www.stopthesmears.com/site/smear_archive/

[grimlocked]

Unbelievable how they are keeping Palin away from the press. She's the Republican nominee for the position of Vice President of the United States. It's a few months before the election. I don't care if she comes out in the debate and does great. That's not the point. That has nothing to do with keeping her under wraps from the big, bad press. I've never seen anything like it. If I was a Republican, I would feel the same way. Oops, I am a Registered Republican.

This just in. FREE SARAH PALIN FROM SEXISM. Watch the video, it's mind-boggling.

[Enigma869]

Unbelievable how they are keeping Palin away from the press. I've never seen anything like it.

You've never seen anything like it, because it's NEVER happened, even once before! It's really a bad move by the Republicans. I don't care how awful Puppet Palin comes across in interviews (and she's dreadful, as far as I'm concerned). She MUST answer questions and stop dodging the press! That's the beauty of partisan politics...all the Republicans watched her acceptance speech and the convention and came away saying "Hey, isn't she great"...."She's a great politican"...blah blah blah. The chick said NOTHING that mattered to anyone! She was okay to look at but in the substance department, she got an F, as far as I'm concerned, and I'm not even a Democrat!

All I really know about Palin at this point is that she has been the Governor of the most obscure state in the union for less than two years, she's has an infant with a disability, she has a 17 year old, knocked up daughter, she has a husband who plays on sleds, she kills innocent animals, she loves shooting guns, she would prefer to dictate which books that public libraries have, and she would like to outlaw abortion! I can see how the Republicans think she's the greatest polician since Reagan


John from Boston

[RossValoryRocks]

Weren't two of Obama's top financial advisors involved in running both Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae into the ground? Both campaigns have been on the take in this issue, not to mention that Obama was the second biggest recipient of money from those companies from 1989-2008 even though he was only in the Senate for three of those years.

Name names.
The Franklin Raines connection is wildly overblown.
Dude says he fielded some phone calls from Obama.
From the way Billy Cunningham was going off this Sunday, you'd think the guy actually worked for Obama's campaign.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/fact-c ... ction.html

Who is the second one?

The Raines connection is wildly overblown?? Says who?? Raines and Obama??? Of course they say that. But he has been helping Obama on the finance front from the beginning.

The other TWO people with ties to Fannie are: James Johnson, Obama's finance chair. He was head of Fannie Mae from 1991 to 1998. As well as Jamie Gorelick who was vice-chair of Fannie Mae from 1998 to 2003.

Johnson made $21 million and Gorelick made $26 million in their positions at Fannie Mae.

Interesting article here: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php? ... geId=75586

[RossValoryRocks]

Unbelievable how they are keeping Palin away from the press. I've never seen anything like it.

You've never seen anything like it, because it's NEVER happened, even once before! It's really a bad move by the Republicans. I don't care how awful Puppet Palin comes across in interviews (and she's dreadful, as far as I'm concerned). She MUST answer questions and stop dodging the press! That's the beauty of partisan politics...all the Republicans watched her acceptance speech and the convention and came away saying "Hey, isn't she great"...."She's a great politican"...blah blah blah. The chick said NOTHING that mattered to anyone! She was okay to look at but in the substance department, she got an F, as far as I'm concerned, and I'm not even a Democrat!

All I really know about Palin at this point is that she has been the Governor of the most obscure state in the union for less than two years, she's has an infant with a disability, she has a 17 year old, knocked up daughter, she has a husband who plays on sleds, she kills innocent animals, she loves shooting guns, she would prefer to dictate which books that public libraries have, and she would like to outlaw abortion! I can see how the Republicans think she's the greatest polician since Reagan


John from Boston

Kill innocent animals??? Do you eat beef or chicken???

Your rant here to shows your leanings, you may not be a democrat but you are typical Massachusetts Liberal!

[RossValoryRocks]

This site is rather interesting. And facts are facts.

http://www.stopthesmears.com/site/smear_archive/

Ok...in the interest of having a level playing field...did you look up the distortions the Obama campaign has thrown out there on McCain and Palin??

No?? Of course not.

Hypocrite.

[Jana]

Jana states: "Unbelievable how they are keeping Palin away from the press. She's the Republican nominee for the position of Vice President of the United States. It's a few months before the election. I don't care if she comes out in the debate and does great. That's not the point. That has nothing to do with keeping her under wraps from the big, bad press. I've never seen anything like it. If I was a Republican, I would feel the same way. Oops, I am a Registered Republican."

Grimlocked states: "This just in. [url=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/23/campbell-brown-rips-mccai_n_128782.html]FREE SARAH PALIN FROM SEXISM[/url]. Watch the video, it's mind-boggling."

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Just proves my point. But I know why they're protecting her and shielding her from the press and hard questions, they're afraid of her responses or, shall I say, lack of responses. Yeah, McCain, what happened to the man I admired? The man who put the good of the country above partisan politics? Your first important decision regarding your "presidency" and you bungled it.

[Barb]

This site is rather interesting. And facts are facts.

http://www.stopthesmears.com/site/smear_archive/

Ok...in the interest of having a level playing field...did you look up the distortions the Obama campaign has thrown out there on McCain and Palin??

No?? Of course not.

Hypocrite.

LOL... isn't that Obama's web site?

[The_Noble_Cause]

The Raines connection is wildly overblown?? Says who?? Raines and Obama??? Of course they say that. But he has been helping Obama on the finance front from the beginning.

Try the source that broke the Raines-Obama connection in the first place.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/fact-c ... ction.html

The other TWO people with ties to Fannie are: James Johnson, Obama's finance chair. He was head of Fannie Mae from 1991 to 1998.

Guy stepped down back in June.

As well as Jamie Gorelick who was vice-chair of Fannie Mae from 1998 to 2003.

That may be so, but did Obama flaunt the press by denying all Fannie May ties and then urge them to do thorough background checks on his people...?

[RossValoryRocks]

The Raines connection is wildly overblown?? Says who?? Raines and Obama??? Of course they say that. But he has been helping Obama on the finance front from the beginning.

Try the source that broke the Raines-Obama connection in the first place.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/fact-c ... ction.html

The other TWO people with ties to Fannie are: James Johnson, Obama's finance chair. He was head of Fannie Mae from 1991 to 1998.

Guy stepped down back in June.

As well as Jamie Gorelick who was vice-chair of Fannie Mae from 1998 to 2003.

That may be so, but did Obama flaunt the press by denying all Fannie May ties and then urge them to do thorough background checks on his people...?

Stay on topic TNC, we were discussing if Obama's people had ties to Fannie and Freddie...clouding the issue by bringing McCain into the discussion is very poor debating technique and you are better than that!

[iceberg]

Jana states: "Unbelievable how they are keeping Palin away from the press. She's the Republican nominee for the position of Vice President of the United States. It's a few months before the election. I don't care if she comes out in the debate and does great. That's not the point. That has nothing to do with keeping her under wraps from the big, bad press. I've never seen anything like it. If I was a Republican, I would feel the same way. Oops, I am a Registered Republican."

Grimlocked states: "This just in. FREE SARAH PALIN FROM SEXISM. Watch the video, it's mind-boggling."

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Just proves my point. But I know why they're protecting her and shielding her from the press and hard questions, they're afraid of her responses or, shall I say, lack of responses. Yeah, McCain, what happened to the man I admired? The man who put the good of the country above partisan politics? Your first important decision regarding your "presidency" and you bungled it.

in all fairness, does it really matter what either side says? the "other" side is in attack and return fire mode, not listen. we'll find fault, not potential. it's what we do for the most part because they're not us and not on our side and certainliy don't think like us.

if palin came out and said the most astounding things that were heartfelt and true it would still be perception, the left would still rip her and the right would still love her. if she came out and just flubbed through it, the left would rip her and the right would love her and defend her.

i'm more interested in where we agree than disagree these days.

[Enigma869]

Kill innocent animals??? Do you eat beef or chicken???

No and No! Next question, omnipotent one!

Your rant here to shows your leanings, you may not be a democrat but you are typical Massachusetts Liberal!

The thing you don't get Stu is that my being called a "typical Massachusetts Liberal" doesn't bother me one iota, even though I know you mean it as an insult! I'm proud to be from a state that respects diversity and a state that makes zero attempt to impart our way of living on anyone! We're one of three states (at least I think it's 3 now, with California) that allows gay marriage, and the only state in the country with health care for every resident! While you may view those things as atrocities on society, I don't!


John from Boston

[iceberg]

Kill innocent animals??? Do you eat beef or chicken???

No and No! Next question, omnipotent one!

Your rant here to shows your leanings, you may not be a democrat but you are typical Massachusetts Liberal!

The thing you don't get Stu is that my being called a "typical Massachusetts Liberal" doesn't bother me one iota, even though I know you mean it as an insult! I'm proud to be from a state that respects diversity and a state that makes zero attempt to impart our way of living on anyone! We're one of three states (at least I think it's 3 now, with California) that allows gay marriage, and the only state in the country with health care for every resident! While you may view those things as atrocities on society, I don't!

John from Boston

isn't it a tad strange to say you don't put your way of life on anyone then tout you allow gay marriages as if the other states should because it's "right" back to back?

[RossValoryRocks]

Kill innocent animals??? Do you eat beef or chicken???

No and No! Next question, omnipotent one!

Your rant here to shows your leanings, you may not be a democrat but you are typical Massachusetts Liberal!

The thing you don't get Stu is that my being called a "typical Massachusetts Liberal" doesn't bother me one iota, even though I know you mean it as an insult! I'm proud to be from a state that respects diversity and a state that makes zero attempt to impart our way of living on anyone! We're one of three states (at least I think it's 3 now, with California) that allows gay marriage, and the only state in the country with health care for every resident! While you may view those things as atrocities on society, I don't!


John from Boston

Glad to see you recognize I am omnipotent!

Excuse me...you are a tree hugging, tofu eating, typical Massachusetts Liberal!

And you most certainly want to impose your way of living on people. You want all people to accept gay marriage, you want all people to accept government run health care even when the government has shown repeatedly they shouldn't be put in charge of a whole lot.

You see for you the ends justify the means. I would rather have freedom and some set of moral standards.