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Of course Perry's voice isn't the same...

Postby OpeningAct » Mon Jul 11, 2005 1:31 am

...it's only reasonable to believe it isn't as strong as it was when he was in his prime.
Take a look at some of the other great voices in rock (my list, you may not agree with who they are, but you get the idea...;)).

Robert Plant
Roger Daltrey
Stevie Nicks
Dennis DeYoung
Sammy Haggar

They all still sound great, but surely not as good as when they were in their prime. And NONE of them had the range Perry ever did.

Just an observation and only my opinion....;)
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Re: Of course Perry's voice isn't the same...

Postby Rockindeano » Mon Jul 11, 2005 2:13 am

OpeningAct wrote:...it's only reasonable to believe it isn't as strong as it was when he was in his prime.
Take a look at some of the other great voices in rock (my list, you may not agree with who they are, but you get the idea...;)).

Robert Plant
Roger Daltrey
Stevie Nicks
Dennis DeYoung
Sammy Haggar

They all still sound great, but surely not as good as when they were in their prime. And NONE of them had the range Perry ever did.

Just an observation and only my opinion....;)



They "all still sound great?" Dude, firstly Stevie Nicks clearly has lost a step, or three. Robert Plant not only looks like an older woman but sounds like one, and Daltrey? When was the last time he sang anything that wasn't recorded?

Sammy is still good, and so is DDY. However, if you take Perry's latest live performances, the FTLOSM tour, he is still better than all these, with maybe DDY being the lone exception..
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Postby Red13JoePa » Mon Jul 11, 2005 3:37 am

Perr still sounds good to me, lost some octaves but his Departure era pipes are a tough act to follow. Oh, and keep him away from journey at all costs. From the sounds of Generations the band's doing just fine.

I disagree about Hagar, I think he amazingly sounds EXACTLY the same as he did on the greatest VH album F.U.C.K. I listen to the thAbout Time and Up For Breakfast and Learining To See all the time looking for that differnece. It's unbeleivably the same to me. Not the same as 5150 era but same as FUCK.

Plant has lost a lot of MPH off the heater and Daltry sounds atrociuous, your right about those guys. Still enjoy listening to them do their thing, though.
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Postby LAWoman » Mon Jul 11, 2005 5:09 am

I don't know how anyone can really tell how Perry sounds from that sample--or even from a studio recording. You figure out the shape of someone's voice by hearing them live.

I was surprised by Daltrey's voice at Live 8--he doesn't have his range anymore unless he was having a bad day. Sammy still has it--strong as ever and great range. Dennis DeYoung never had it in my opinion, so no comment. Robert Plant's voice has clearly changed but he works around it and it still works. Stevie Nicks--her voice has definately changed. Someone who still has it: Paul Rodgers. The Heart chicks are still strong as ever also.
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Postby mamos » Mon Jul 11, 2005 5:57 am

LAWoman. Good call Sammy still has it in spades. As does Ann Wilson. Gives me goose bumps every time I hear her sing.
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Mon Jul 11, 2005 8:47 am

LAWoman wrote: Dennis DeYoung never had it in my opinion, so no comment.


Elaborate please.
In what musical context are you referring to the man; on record or live in concert?

I've always heard he's been rock solid in both.
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Postby RubyTequila » Mon Jul 11, 2005 9:15 am

Sammy still rocks my world! :wink:
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Postby Rockindeano » Mon Jul 11, 2005 9:16 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
LAWoman wrote: Dennis DeYoung never had it in my opinion, so no comment.


Elaborate please.
In what musical context are you referring to the man; on record or live in concert?

I've always heard he's been rock solid in both.



I must say that DDY could flatout sing. To all the naysayers about Journey having multiple singers....Styx had 2, sometimes three..DDY, Tommy Shaw and James Young.. Perhaps all the sharing saved each and everyone's voices.. :lol:
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Postby sngrchk04 » Mon Jul 11, 2005 9:54 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
LAWoman wrote: Dennis DeYoung never had it in my opinion, so no comment.


Elaborate please.
In what musical context are you referring to the man; on record or live in concert?

I've always heard he's been rock solid in both.


Recently, Dennis DeYoung was a Morning-Show guest DJ on "The River 105.9 WHCN" here in CT....he sang "Lady" LIVE in the studio, accompanied by only a keyboard....

The man nailed it!!

No "modulating down" a key or two....it was sung as it was originally recorded. He did not lose his voice AT ALL.
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Postby Abitaman » Mon Jul 11, 2005 10:07 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
LAWoman wrote: Dennis DeYoung never had it in my opinion, so no comment.


Elaborate please.
In what musical context are you referring to the man; on record or live in concert?

I've always heard he's been rock solid in both.


Dennis, although he really doesn't "rock" anymore, can still sing his butt off. Never heard the man have a bad night. No saying he hasn't-ERIC
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Postby ohsherrie » Mon Jul 11, 2005 11:30 am

No reasonably intelligent person would expect Steve's voice to be the same as it was 27 yrs ago. It's just that some people on the Journey boards are so desperate to justify and validate Steve Augeri that they seem compelled to try and diminish the real voice of Journey by whatever means they can contrive.

I personally prefer Steve's more mature voice. I think it's more soulful and resonant. In fact, I think ROR and TBF are Journey's best works. Street Talk and FTLOSM are also excellent. The vocal work on the earlier albums is extraordinary and I love hearing it, but it's not Steve's most impressive work, IMO.
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Postby OpeningAct » Mon Jul 11, 2005 11:45 am

ohsherrie wrote:No reasonably intelligent person would expect Steve's voice to be the same as it was 27 yrs ago. It's just that some people on the Journey boards are so desperate to justify and validate Steve Augeri that they seem compelled to try and diminish the real voice of Journey by whatever means they can contrive.

I personally prefer Steve's more mature voice. I think it's more soulful and resonant. In fact, I think ROR and TBF are Journey's best works. Street Talk and FTLOSM are also excellent. The vocal work on the earlier albums is extraordinary and I love hearing it, but it's not Steve's most impressive work, IMO.
Soulful and Resonant...niiiiiiiice post ohsherrie!!! :D
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Postby LAWoman » Mon Jul 11, 2005 12:27 pm

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
LAWoman wrote: Dennis DeYoung never had it in my opinion, so no comment.


Elaborate please.
In what musical context are you referring to the man; on record or live in concert?

I've always heard he's been rock solid in both.


I just don't like Dennis DeYoung's voice and never have. Personal preference--so if you like him, that's fine. He does zero for me, hence the opinion that DDY never had it so he's got nothing to lose. Just an opinion, of course, like everything else here.
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Postby Rockindeano » Mon Jul 11, 2005 12:42 pm

ohsherrie wrote:No reasonably intelligent person would expect Steve's voice to be the same as it was 27 yrs ago. It's just that some people on the Journey boards are so desperate to justify and validate Steve Augeri that they seem compelled to try and diminish the real voice of Journey by whatever means they can contrive.

I personally prefer Steve's more mature voice. I think it's more soulful and resonant. In fact, I think ROR and TBF are Journey's best works. Street Talk and FTLOSM are also excellent. The vocal work on the earlier albums is extraordinary and I love hearing it, but it's not Steve's most impressive work, IMO.


Spare me! I DON'T HAVE TO VALIDATE Syeve Augeri's Voice! Why must you continually bring up the Steve vs Steve! It is so tiresome.

Steve Augeri being in the BAND Journey, and writing and recording and performing are VALIDATION!

No one here is saying Perry has not been Validated..he was awesome..but today, in this time, I'm sorry, he's not..end ofstory..
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Tue Jul 12, 2005 2:08 pm

sngrchk04 wrote:
Recently, Dennis DeYoung was a Morning-Show guest DJ on "The River 105.9 WHCN" here in CT....he sang "Lady" LIVE in the studio, accompanied by only a keyboard....

The man nailed it!!



Would have liked to have heard that. Thanks for the info. I believe a few months back Dennis also appeared on the late show with Jimmey Kimmel. I missed that, too, unfortunately. Drats!
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Postby Hippie » Wed Jul 13, 2005 3:50 am

if you take Perry's latest live performances, the FTLOSM tour, he is still better than all these


Yeah, but to be fair, the FTLOSM tour was 10 years ago. The rest of those performers have been on the road regularly since '94 (Except Daltry I think).

I do agree DDY has fared better than rest though.
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Postby Hippie » Wed Jul 13, 2005 3:56 am

Sammy still has it in spades. As does Ann Wilson. Gives me goose bumps every time I hear her sing.


Check out Heart: Jupiters Darling and Alive in Seattle.

She blows these young punks out of the water!
She's definitely a singer who has lost nothing with age!
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Postby Rockindeano » Wed Jul 13, 2005 3:59 am

Alive in Seattle is indeed good.


By the way, a voice that has not deteriated in any way(IMO), is Kevin Cronin, of REO. Yeah he sounds feminine, but he is hetero..he has kids..

He has that irish folksy voice..
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Postby Red13JoePa » Wed Jul 13, 2005 4:01 am

Whatever the blonde wilson is...(ann? nancy?) She is HOT.
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Postby Rockindeano » Wed Jul 13, 2005 4:05 am

Red13JoePa wrote:Whatever the blonde wilson is...(ann? nancy?) She is HOT.


Yeah, Nancy had that strwberry blonde hair, and nice long legs.. Meanwhile, Ann looked like Kirsty Allen on steroids. She had that huge blockhead, and gigantic tree trunk thighs. ..Jesus, she could be starting nose tackle for Patriots...
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Postby Red13JoePa » Wed Jul 13, 2005 4:07 am

Yea, that one got a little meaty whereas the other one kept it together. Mix in a salad or 4, ann.
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Postby NealIsGod » Wed Jul 13, 2005 4:12 am

Yeah, I remember seeing an interview with the Wilson sisters, and they were saying that, early in their careers, the record company kept wanting them to pose like lesbians in their promo pictures, embracing, cheek to cheek, etc. They were saying how creepy it made them feel, and they refused to do a lot of stuff. Record companies will sink very low to sell records...
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Postby Rockindeano » Wed Jul 13, 2005 4:16 am

NealIsGod wrote:Yeah, I remember seeing an interview with the Wilson sisters, and they were saying that, early in their careers, the record company kept wanting them to pose like lesbians in their promo pictures, embracing, cheek to cheek, etc. They were saying how creepy it made them feel, and they refused to do a lot of stuff. Record companies will sink very low to sell records...


I thought you were a Stern fan? What is wrong with the Wilsons doing a little lezzy action? :P
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Postby Red13JoePa » Wed Jul 13, 2005 4:16 am

That IS low, NIG.

But hot, nonetheless.
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Postby NealIsGod » Wed Jul 13, 2005 4:19 am

Hey, I'm all for a little girl-on-girl, but incest is just wrong! :oops:
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Postby mamos » Wed Jul 13, 2005 5:43 am

NIG speaks the truth.

Nothing wrong with a little girl on girl, but sisters....

Come on guys that is too low.
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Postby OpeningAct » Wed Jul 13, 2005 6:25 am

"I don't mind little baby, if you're feeling fancy and free.
I don't mind little baby cause your sister's looking real good to me..." :wink: :P
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Postby Abitaman » Wed Jul 13, 2005 9:16 am

Rock'ndeano wrote:

By the way, a voice that has not deteriated in any way(IMO), is Kevin Cronin, of REO. Yeah he sounds feminine, but he is hetero..he has kids..

He has that irish folksy voice..


I have to disagree. I have been a huge REO fan almost as long as I have been a Styx and Journey fan. They are my 4th fav. band STYX, JOURNEY and RUSH being the 3rd. Sometimes REO and RUSH switch out. But Cronnin's voice has gone down hill bad. He is still a good singer, but for a while there he was a shadow of what he was. In studio fantastic, but live, he was having some problems. He was straining, he really gets into his shows. But seems he has learned to pace hisself, and thus his voice has show signs of improving over the past couple of years-ERIC
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Postby RubyTequila » Wed Jul 13, 2005 9:17 am

Red13JoePa wrote:Yea, that one got a little meaty whereas the other one kept it together. Mix in a salad or 4, ann.
Back in the Dreamboat Annie day, they were both awesome.


Ann has lost about 70+ lbs and looks great!
She can still ROCK the masses!
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Postby Red13JoePa » Wed Jul 13, 2005 11:44 am

You, know what Ruby? That's cool and I'm glad to hear it. I shoulda looked it up before I opened my mouth.
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