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i might've been one of a few people who doubted them which i'll admit i did but now with a top 5 100,000 seller in its first week i think the band has pretty much proved that it can pretty much hold its own without perry in the band.i don't think arrival did anywhere near as well in sales or chart position as this new album has.this was pretty much make it or break it time as far as the life of the band if you really look at it.if this album would've tanked it would've been pretty bad for them.i'm hoping they play a few of these songs live and don't ignore the album and keep playing the same 'ol dirty dozen night after night.they can build on this if they are smart and if they put out a couple more good albums with arnel they could keep adding more arnel songs in the setlist and keep the band relevant and not be viewed strictly as a band just playing the same stuff from the past year after year.

I'm sure they want to break away from the DD as much as we do.

The jury's still out on sales for this album. First week just over 100,000, yes, but what will the next week bring? Will this album continue to sell? Or will stall like most bands from this era who tour well, but have lost their album sales clout. TBF went on to sell a million copies without a tour. Arrival, Red13 and Generations combined haven't done that. As good as Revelation is, I doubt it will either.

The saving grace is that they have cut out the middle man on this deal and will reap more financial rewards from it. Also, sales expectations have dropped in recent years. I'm expecting the album sales to top off (stateside) at around 300,000.

Just being realistic.

STORY_TELLER wrote:The jury's still out on sales for this album. First week just over 100,000, yes, but what will the next week bring? Will this album continue to sell? Or will stall like most bands from this era who tour well, but have lost their album sales clout. TBF went on to sell a million copies without a tour. Arrival, Red13 and Generations combined haven't done that. As good as Revelation is, I doubt it will either.

The saving grace is that they have cut out the middle man on this deal and will reap more financial rewards from it. Also, sales expectations have dropped in recent years. I'm expecting the album sales to top off (stateside) at around 300,000.

Just being realistic.

Yeah I'm thinking around that number also.

Really hope we get even more Journey marketing soon.

There's a long hard haul for this band before it pulls itself out of dismal predictions....

Alot of arneliots, carpet bagging fans and filipino gold rushers that are desperate to crown these jive motherfuckers the new kings of rock and roll....

the fact remains that one weeks album sales does NOT make a band. NO fucking way. Let's revisit this in 6 months, when this album has had time to weather some competition....


then you can either gloat or disappear (because you dont have the fucking balls to remain online if this thing fails, given your fucking arogance in advance of this album's release)

strangegrey wrote:There's a long hard haul for this band before it pulls itself out of dismal predictions....

Alot of arneliots, carpet bagging fans and filipino gold rushers that are desperate to crown these jive motherfuckers the new kings of rock and roll....

the fact remains that one weeks album sales does NOT make a band. NO fucking way. Let's revisit this in 6 months, when this album has had time to weather some competition....


then you can either gloat or disappear (because you dont have the fucking balls to remain online if this thing fails, given your fucking arogance in advance of this album's release)

Fuck off you racist piece of shit.

youkeepmewaiting wrote:

strangegrey wrote:There's a long hard haul for this band before it pulls itself out of dismal predictions....

Alot of arneliots, carpet bagging fans and filipino gold rushers that are desperate to crown these jive motherfuckers the new kings of rock and roll....

the fact remains that one weeks album sales does NOT make a band. NO fucking way. Let's revisit this in 6 months, when this album has had time to weather some competition....


then you can either gloat or disappear (because you dont have the fucking balls to remain online if this thing fails, given your fucking arogance in advance of this album's release)

Fuck off you racist piece of shit.

Oh that's original....How on earth, pray tell, is what I said racist? Because Arnel's countrymen, who *were*not* fans of this band are suddenly rushing in and being fans? Who am I to stop them? Go ahead...but I'm not going to let some race baiter prevent me from calling a spade a spade, so remove the quite large broompole from your stupid cornhole...

The *point* I am making, and seems to fly over your race baiting head...is that they are desperate to crown Journey the latest and greatest. One week of album sales doesn't do that....I can cite you a list of albums 100 long, of albums that debuted in the top 10 of bilboard....and were budget bin rejects 2 months later.

Let's not count the chickens before they hatch....

youkeepmewaiting wrote:

strangegrey wrote:There's a long hard haul for this band before it pulls itself out of dismal predictions....

Alot of arneliots, carpet bagging fans and filipino gold rushers that are desperate to crown these jive motherfuckers the new kings of rock and roll....

the fact remains that one weeks album sales does NOT make a band. NO fucking way. Let's revisit this in 6 months, when this album has had time to weather some competition....


then you can either gloat or disappear (because you dont have the fucking balls to remain online if this thing fails, given your fucking arogance in advance of this album's release)

Fuck off you racist piece of shit.

Not necessarily expressed the right way, but let's face it, the band it looking to capitalize on the Arnel's fanbase by selling and touring to a new audience, not to mention the money that will bring in. I've made the point in a couple other threads, that Journey is wreaping the benefits of the WalMart machine and their marketing. The Augeri-era albums would probably have done just as good as Revelation will if this type of marketing and promotion was done. How many people read the WalMart ad each week in the paper? A helluva lot more then would see any type of "typical" record company promotion. Even Generations would have been more successful because nobody would have known is wasn't that good overall, they would have bought it because it says "Journey" on the cover. While a good vocalist, I certainly would not say that Arnel is the second coming for the band, a band that in my, and a lot of others opinions has been holding its own since Perry left. Album sales aren't a big deal anymore and it doesn't determine whether you are successful. It's how many years can you go out on tour and make big bucks and play to sold out or almost full venues. Between Perry and Pineda the band proved they could do that hands down.

I think a top 5 debut opens doors is the thing. It creates momentum and buzz.....

Eric wrote:I think a top 5 debut opens doors is the thing. It creates momentum and buzz.....

Yes and no. It most certainly gives them a foothold to secure some level they've been missing for years....but there's alot more slippery footholds they need to grab before the actually 'become' what some of the so called 'new' fans have been claiming journey has beceome since they werre graced with a certain hard rock cafe lounge singer's presence.

to quote a certain movie....let's not go sucking eachother's dicks, just yet...

youkeepmewaiting wrote:
Fuck off you racist piece of shit.

That's not necessary.

I've said it in another thread. The truth on success of this album will be determined in the weeks and months to follow, not by the first week's sales. And it is true, Journey has a new fanbase they are catering to (the Filipino fanbase.) They're the ones who have purchased as much as 10 copies a piece in order to push Arnel Pineda. As matter of fact, Arnel IS the only reason why they are fans of the band. I guarantee you if Journey cut Arnel today, those fans would be gone tomorrow. And God love them, if they're fans of the band because of Arnel, there isn't anything wrong with that. I always enjoy the fact that "my" type of music can attract a new audience, but it does seem as if the "carpet bag" theory seems to be appropriate in that a new wave of fans have came through and taken over the fanbase. I'm sure existing Journey fans felt the same way when Steve Perry came into the band. A new fanbase was created then and the existing fans either went along with the ride or gave up on Journey.

lol...these guys are old as dirt now. They will probably do 1 or 2 more cd's, and call it. 2008 it's much easier to go "viral" then it was years ago when Arrival came out. Granted, long term success is questionable, for short term is alot easier than it ever was due to things like Itunes, Youtube, broadband, etc.

Journey can't claim success until they move units completely untethered to their Perry past.
How much do you wanna bet the next cd has ten new songs plus a bonus clubhopper DSB remix, or something to that effect - just to be on the safe side.

I'm as shocked as anyone that "Revelation" has charted so big.
It's been a long time coming, and I only wish Arrival had such good fortune.

Please...people care about Billboard charts these days about as much as they care about CD's. Which is to say...they don't. It's certainly not bad for the band at all, but I doubt anyone besides the band themselves really gives a shit about chart positions.

As soon as the marketing stops, the album sales will stop.

strangegrey wrote:There's a long hard haul for this band before it pulls itself out of dismal predictions....

Alot of arneliots, carpet bagging fans and filipino gold rushers that are desperate to crown these jive motherfuckers the new kings of rock and roll....

the fact remains that one weeks album sales does NOT make a band. NO fucking way. Let's revisit this in 6 months, when this album has had time to weather some competition....


then you can either gloat or disappear (because you dont have the fucking balls to remain online if this thing fails, given your fucking arogance in advance of this album's release)

Oh Strangegrey...every prediction you've made in the last year has been proved wrong. Time to just suck it up I reckon....

strangegrey wrote:

Eric wrote:I think a top 5 debut opens doors is the thing. It creates momentum and buzz.....

Yes and no. It most certainly gives them a foothold to secure some level they've been missing for years....but there's alot more slippery footholds they need to grab before the actually 'become' what some of the so called 'new' fans have been claiming journey has beceome since they werre graced with a certain hard rock cafe lounge singer's presence.

to quote a certain movie....let's not go sucking eachother's dicks, just yet...

Damn it Frank! What the fuck is up with your brain? The new Legion of Fans and the old fans are just enjoying the ride cuz Lazaruz came back from the grave and are making some noise. 'Till the Jboys vanish into oblivion you fuckin' doomsayers can still suck each other's whisky dicks

It will be interesting to see what happens concerning the new songs being played in concert. Are people buying the CD for the new songs or the re-records? Europe seems more open to "new" songs than the U.S. - I still remember that horrible sound at the Irvine 2005 concert - people loudly booing the new songs & the 'Perry-less' songs...that's when the band dropped a lot of them.