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Let's hear some predictions. Predict the playoff teams (division winners and wildcard) and Superbowl prediction.

AFC
Patriots
Pittsburgh
Indy
Denver
Wildcard
Jacksonville
Cleveland

NFC
Dallas
Vikings
Tampa
Seattle
Wildcard
Detroit
Washington

Pittsburgh def. Vikings Superbowl.

I agree with all of your playoff teams. But I will predict a Colts-Cowboys Super Bowl.

Tito wrote:Let's hear some predictions. Predict the playoff teams (division winners and wildcard) and Superbowl prediction.

AFC
Patriots
Pittsburgh
Indy
Denver
Wildcard
Jacksonville
Cleveland

NFC
Dallas
Vikings
Tampa
Seattle
Wildcard
Detroit
Washington

Pittsburgh def. Vikings Superbowl.

Brother...I am a DIE HARD Steelers fan...but let me tell you...they have about as much chance of going to the Super Bowl as Steve Perry (since this is Journey board) showing up at the next Jourtney show demanding his old job back!

They probably won't make the playoffs this year...

Not a good year for the Black and Gold.

What? No Packers on the list?

With all of the Favre-B.S. going on I would be shocked to see them qin 8 games this year.

Tito wrote:Pittsburgh def. Vikings Superbowl.

Do you even watch football, dude??? The Steelers are a complete fraud of a team and the Vikings have no QB! Generally speaking, teams NEVER win in the NFL, without a QB. The 1985 Bears and 2001 Ravens are exceptions to that rule, but both of those teams had defenses that simply couldn't be scored on. Minnesota has NOWHERE near that caliber of defense!

On to more pressing issues...The Patriots will vindicate themselves (with or without video tape), and defeat Dallas in the Super Bowl!


John from Boston

LazzMan wrote:What? No Packers on the list?

With all of the Favre-B.S. going on I would be shocked to see them qin 8 games this year.

HELL LAST YEAR i thought the packers would be 8-8... They are just as good this year...but LOTS OF LUCK HAS TO FALL THEIR WAY.

Rick

lights1961 wrote:
HELL LAST YEAR i thought the packers would be 8-8... They are just as good this year...but LOTS OF LUCK HAS TO FALL THEIR WAY.

Rick

The Packers are NOWHERE near as good, if Favre isn't their starting QB, and anyone who actually believes that, is delusional! I'm not a fan of Favre's antics, when it comes to the way he's handled this phantom retirement. That said, Rodgers can't carry Favre's jock, so I wouldn't go punching their ticket into the playoffs, if Favre isn't under center!


John from Boston

Tito wrote:Let's hear some predictions. Predict the playoff teams (division winners and wildcard) and Superbowl prediction.

AFC
Patriots
Pittsburgh
Indy
Denver
Wildcard
Jacksonville
Cleveland

NFC
Dallas
Vikings
Tampa
Seattle
Wildcard
Detroit
Washington

Pittsburgh def. Vikings Superbowl.

Uhh...did we forget San Diego?????

Here ya go:
AFC
New England
San Diego
Jacksonville
Cleveland(going out on a limb, here)
Tennessee (yeah Yeah, It's a homer pick!)
Buffalo

NFC
Dallas
New Orleans
Arizona (my longshot- I think it's their year)
Chicago
Seattle
NY Giants


Jacksonville / New Orleans in the big one.

I'm rolling my OWN eyes at these picks!

Enigma869 wrote:

lights1961 wrote:
HELL LAST YEAR i thought the packers would be 8-8... They are just as good this year...but LOTS OF LUCK HAS TO FALL THEIR WAY.

Rick

The Packers are NOWHERE near as good, if Favre isn't their starting QB, and anyone who actually believes that, is delusional! I'm not a fan of Favre's antics, when it comes to the way he's handled this phantom retirement. That said, Rodgers can't carry Favre's jock, so I wouldn't go punching their ticket into the playoffs, if Favre isn't under center!


John from Boston

THE BEAUTY of FOOTBALL is MAYBE HE WILL???? Look at Brunell or Hassleback or even Werner for that matter... all three pretty good back up that had to flee gb to get jobs... all turned out damn good.
who is to Say AARON wont do the same...



Rick

lights1961 wrote:
THE BEAUTY of FOOTBALL is MAYBE HE WILL???? Look at Brunell or Hassleback or even Werner for that matter... all three pretty good back up that had to flee gb to get jobs... all turned out damn good.
who is to Say AARON wont do the same...



Rick

Brunell started because he was taken by an expansion team (the Jaguars). Hasselback wasn't backing up anyone in Seattle (he was backing up Favre in Green Bay). He was specifically brought to Seattle to be a starter, by Homgren. Kurt Warner started because Trent Green got hurt. The only one of those three guys that you mentioned who was VERY successful in their first season was Warner, and he had a great offensive team around him!

You are absolutely correct that nobody knows how good or bad Aaron Rodgers is going to be, as a QB. That said, I am VERY comfortable going out on a limb here, and saying that he will be NOWHERE near what Brett Favre has been! Brett Favre is a top 10 all-time NFL QB...Rodgers won't be!


John from Boston

This year is going to be a year full of too many surprises. Every year there is something more to the juice that one cannot say about the year before. Gaints winning the Superbowl last year? Who saw it coming? There might be a lot of teams that rise up to the occasion, and also that will fall from grace.

We'll start off with My Stillers. Tito, I love your prediction, and by all means does that sound fantastic and by God I hope you are right! Point given, the Black and Gold are hurting right now not only with un-proven starters, but depth as well. We are aging on the defensive front, and it doesn't look too much better behind that. The offensive line is in shambles at this point and has as many question marks as would the Riddler have on his costume. We have some MAJOR weapons on offense with the emergence of Santonio Holmes, and new comer Rashaard Mendenhall. We need those two to step up enormously this year..and for Mendenhall's sake it would depend on his development..regardless I expect those two to step up BIG this year and could be apart of a formula that would allow us to compete offensively with New England. #2 concern is the schedule. Of course every year changes, and this is a year where it seems EVERY team is going through some bigtime changes. (GreenBay prime example..also the Superbowl Champs lost some keys in Strahan and Plax isn't too happy with his contract..) This is judging by last years teams.. and with as many question marks as we have, the schedule does not favor to say the LEAST. Brutal, and is marked down as the hardest schedule in the National Football League. (I say BRING 'EM ON!) A team like the Stillers had same problems coming into the 2004 season..they ended up going to the AFC Championship where they lost to the Cheating team of New England. (Talk about FRAUDS ) I'm predicting a 9-7 year for my squad, and still remain optimistic!

As for the rest of the league, you have your juggernaut Colts (Manning hurt) Patriots (No more cameras) and Dallas Cowboys (Tony Romo-enough said--choker.) The rest of the NFC doesn't matter..only teams like the Packers (Favre saga) and Champion Giants (A hurting team in the making.) The Vikings have promise with Adrian Peterson but their defense REEKED at times. Jackson is a passer that gets asked to do little but regardless.. A team to look out for.

There's too many area's to cover when talking NFL football..esp a new season. Watch in the next couple weeks as things will unfold and it will ONLY BE THE DAWG DAYS OF TRAINING CAMP! I'm excited.

HERE WE GO STILLERS

Enigma869 wrote:

Tito wrote:Pittsburgh def. Vikings Superbowl.

Do you even watch football, dude??? The Steelers are a complete fraud of a team and the Vikings have no QB! Generally speaking, teams NEVER win in the NFL, without a QB. The 1985 Bears and 2001 Ravens are exceptions to that rule, but both of those teams had defenses that simply couldn't be scored on. Minnesota has NOWHERE near that caliber of defense!

On to more pressing issues...The Patriots will vindicate themselves (with or without video tape), and defeat Dallas in the Super Bowl!


John from Boston

LOL. The Vikings will be a surprised team (w/o Favre). They will make the playoffs and pull off an upset in the Conference championship game. Dallas will choke. I think New England will be good but fall short same thing with the Colts. Steelers will win ugly. I'm going with the long shot Superbowl matchup. Would it surprise me if either team didn't even make the playoffs - no.

Second, 1985 Bears did have a quaterback - Jim McMahon. Bad ass dude.

X factor wrote:

Tito wrote:Let's hear some predictions. Predict the playoff teams (division winners and wildcard) and Superbowl prediction.

AFC
Patriots
Pittsburgh
Indy
Denver
Wildcard
Jacksonville
Cleveland

NFC
Dallas
Vikings
Tampa
Seattle
Wildcard
Detroit
Washington

Pittsburgh def. Vikings Superbowl.

Uhh...did we forget San Diego?????

Here ya go:
AFC
New England
San Diego
Jacksonville
Cleveland(going out on a limb, here)
Tennessee (yeah Yeah, It's a homer pick!)
Buffalo

NFC
Dallas
New Orleans
Arizona (my longshot- I think it's their year)
Chicago
Seattle
NY Giants


Jacksonville / New Orleans in the big one.

I'm rolling my OWN eyes at these picks!

Arizona is a good pick, thought about it over Seattle.

YoungJRNY wrote: Every year there is something more to the juice that one cannot say about the year before. Gaints winning the Superbowl last year? Who saw it coming? T

Giants will keep the tradition alive and not even make the playoffs.

Tito wrote:

YoungJRNY wrote: Every year there is something more to the juice that one cannot say about the year before. Gaints winning the Superbowl last year? Who saw it coming? T

Giants will keep the tradition alive and not even make the playoffs.

That tradition is the Super Bowl loser, not the winner.

RedWingFan wrote:

Tito wrote:

YoungJRNY wrote: Every year there is something more to the juice that one cannot say about the year before. Gaints winning the Superbowl last year? Who saw it coming? T

Giants will keep the tradition alive and not even make the playoffs.

That tradition is the Super Bowl loser, not the winner.

Correct, but I was talking about them choking everytime they win the SB they suck the next year.

CFL Baby!

San Diego needs to have a major title-holder.
In LT we trust.

Enigma869 wrote:

lights1961 wrote:
THE BEAUTY of FOOTBALL is MAYBE HE WILL???? Look at Brunell or Hassleback or even Werner for that matter... all three pretty good back up that had to flee gb to get jobs... all turned out damn good.
who is to Say AARON wont do the same...



Rick

Brunell started because he was taken by an expansion team (the Jaguars). Hasselback wasn't backing up anyone in Seattle (he was backing up Favre in Green Bay). He was specifically brought to Seattle to be a starter, by Homgren. Kurt Warner started because Trent Green got hurt. The only one of those three guys that you mentioned who was VERY successful in their first season was Warner, and he had a great offensive team around him!

You are absolutely correct that nobody knows how good or bad Aaron Rodgers is going to be, as a QB. That said, I am VERY comfortable going out on a limb here, and saying that he will be NOWHERE near what Brett Favre has been! Brett Favre is a top 10 all-time NFL QB...Rodgers won't be!


John from Boston

I still say the PACKERS will be a surprise team--it could fall flat on their face... but if the players have desire and heart... watch out.

Rick

Tito wrote:Second, 1985 Bears did have a quaterback - Jim McMahon. Bad ass dude.

Don't tell me about Jim McMahon, dude, because I remember the 1985 season and McMahon's career, VERY well. McMahon sucked and was a below average NFL QB. The year the Bears won the Super Bowl, McMahon threw a whopping 15 TD's and threw for a whopping 2200 yards, for the entire season! Just for perspective, McMahon's 1985 numbers were almost identical to Sage Rosenfels' 2007 numbers, and you probably don't even know what team he plays for, without googling it! Those are DREADFUL numbers, so please stop telling me that McMahon was a "bad ass dude", because he wore an Adidas headband around his neck. The guy sucked and deserves zero credit for the 1985 Bears championship run! That Bears team was ALL DEFENSE. I think it's hilarious when people bring up McMahon's name, because aside from the great Walter Payton, nobody can remember another offensive player on that team.


John from Boston

Enigma869 wrote:

Tito wrote:Second, 1985 Bears did have a quaterback - Jim McMahon. Bad ass dude.

Don't tell me about Jim McMahon, dude, because I remember the 1985 season and McMahon's career, VERY well. McMahon sucked and was a below average NFL QB. The year the Bears won the Super Bowl, McMahon threw a whopping 15 TD's and threw for a whopping 2200 yards, for the entire season! Just for perspective, McMahon's 1985 numbers were almost identical to Sage Rosenfels' 2007 numbers, and you probably don't even know what team he plays for, without googling it! Those are DREADFUL numbers, so please stop telling me that McMahon was a "bad ass dude", because he wore an Adidas headband around his neck. The guy sucked and deserves zero credit for the 1985 Bears championship run! That Bears team was ALL DEFENSE. I think it's hilarious when people bring up McMahon's name, because aside from the great Walter Payton, nobody can remember another offensive player on that team.


John from Boston

He made the Pro Bowl that year and was the 7 highest rated QB that year. 3 Hall of Famers were ahead of him. He was a great leader. The Thursday night Minnesota game is still legendary. I believe the Bears were second in offense that year as well, which was overlooked.

Enigma869 wrote:Don't tell me about Jim McMahon, dude, because I remember the 1985 season and McMahon's career, VERY well. McMahon sucked and was a below average NFL QB. The year the Bears won the Super Bowl, McMahon threw a whopping 15 TD's and threw for a whopping 2200 yards, for the entire season! Just for perspective, McMahon's 1985 numbers were almost identical to Sage Rosenfels' 2007 numbers, and you probably don't even know what team he plays for, without googling it! Those are DREADFUL numbers, so please stop telling me that McMahon was a "bad ass dude", because he wore an Adidas headband around his neck. The guy sucked and deserves zero credit for the 1985 Bears championship run! That Bears team was ALL DEFENSE. I think it's hilarious when people bring up McMahon's name, because aside from the great Walter Payton, nobody can remember another offensive player on that team.

I'm not a McMahon fan but his numbers were slightly above average in '85. Granted, the Bears were a team mostly reliant on the run, but he certainly didn't do anything to harm their game. His QB rating was in the low 80s, which is above average and he got the job done when necessary. That being said, if the Bears hadn't had as strong a running game, I'm certain his rating would've been far lower.

Cowboys are going to the BIG SHOW....just don't know who's going with them...I'll get back to you on that.
If it's the Lions (slight snicker, but my main team) I'm rooting for them.....otherwise the 'BOYS" all the way!!!
Just saw the new stadium..... They Better be GREAT!!!!!

Enigma869 wrote:

Tito wrote:Second, 1985 Bears did have a quaterback - Jim McMahon. Bad ass dude.

Don't tell me about Jim McMahon, dude, because I remember the 1985 season and McMahon's career, VERY well. McMahon sucked and was a below average NFL QB. The year the Bears won the Super Bowl, McMahon threw a whopping 15 TD's and threw for a whopping 2200 yards, for the entire season! Just for perspective, McMahon's 1985 numbers were almost identical to Sage Rosenfels' 2007 numbers, and you probably don't even know what team he plays for, without googling it! Those are DREADFUL numbers, so please stop telling me that McMahon was a "bad ass dude", because he wore an Adidas headband around his neck. The guy sucked and deserves zero credit for the 1985 Bears championship run! That Bears team was ALL DEFENSE. I think it's hilarious when people bring up McMahon's name, because aside from the great Walter Payton, nobody can remember another offensive player on that team.


John from Boston

i have that bears-patriots '85 superbowl on video tape and yes the chicago bears defense carried that team.i remember watching the bears beat the cowboys 44-0 that year in dallas.the only game the bears lost was a close one with the miami dolphins.easily the best defense ever besides the ravens 2000 team defense.mcmahon was sort of the trent dilfer of that team in that he just had to play mistake free offense and let the defense handle the rest.i am glad payton finally got a ring but then they gave the fridge the ball for a TD in that game and payton didn't get a score running.

Tito wrote:He made the Pro Bowl that year and was the 7 highest rated QB that year. 3 Hall of Famers were ahead of him. He was a great leader. The Thursday night Minnesota game is still legendary. I believe the Bears were second in offense that year as well, which was overlooked.

Let me give you some advice, Tito...If you're going to go toe-to-toe with me on sports, at least have some ammo in your weapon of choice! McMahaon ranked 20th in passing yards in 1985! A couple of points here...there were only 28 teams in the NFL 23 years ago, so being ranked 20th is horrendous! Also, the likes of Eric Hipple (whoever the hell he is), Neil Lomax and Tommy Kramer were all ranked ahead of McMahon in passing yards, in 1985! McMahon was ranked 18th in TD passes in the 1985 season, which means 17 guys threw more TD's than he did, during that historic (DEFENSIVELY) season! If you're a QB ranking guy (which I am not and never have been), then he was the 7th best guy that season (which is still nothing that's putting him anywhere near Canton)! McMahon was only ranked 21st in number of attempts (which should tell you that all of that Bears offense was Payton running with the rock).

To back up my point that McMahon wasn't remotely responsible for the 1985 Bears' success, I will cite some team statistics that are readily available for you to verify. As far as where the 1985 Bears ranked, as a team...They were ranked a whopping 20th in the passing game, which means there were only 8 teams worse than they were in the passing attack, that season! The Bears were ranked number one in rushing offense in 1985, with an awesome 172.6 yard a game average! The 1985 Bears team was ranked first in rush defense and 3rd in pass defense, making them the number one ranked defense in the league that season! I vivdly remember the 1985 season, and teams simply couldn't score against that defense! There wasn't a single defensive coordinator in the NFL in 1985 who was game-planning to stop Jim McMahon. It was all about Payton, and the Bears D line!

Again, if you actually were watching football in 1985, you would never come onto any message board and cite Jim McMahon for the reason the Bears team was remotely good. To this day, it's the GREATEST DEFENSE, EVER, in the history of the NFL! The Bears would have won the Super Bowl in 1985 with me playing QB, and I was all of 15! Giving McMahon the credit for the Bears success in 1985 is like saying Trent Dilfer was the reason the Ravens won it all in 2001. Apparently, not even the Ravens believed that, considering they actually cut Dilfer as soon as that season was over!


John from Boston

mikemarrs wrote:
i am glad payton finally got a ring but then they gave the fridge the ball for a TD in that game and payton didn't get a score running.

A decision I will NEVER forgive Mike Ditka for. While I have no problem with having a little fun (even if it was at my hometown team's expense), Payton was a class act, who deserved that Super Bowl TD more than any player to have ever played the game! He was a GREAT, GREAT player, who left this earth, FAR too early! I also agree with you about that 1985 Bears team being the most dominant defensive team, ever. It almost wasn't even fair to other teams, just how great that defense was! Just because McMahon won a Super Bowl doesn't mean he was a great player. Marino never won one, and I'm quite sure there isn't a person with two brain cells connected who would take Mediocre McMahon over Marino


John from Boston

"The Thursday night Minnesota game is still legendary"

I will never forget that game. unbelievable what he did! everyone was in shock.
let me learn ya something my friend from boston. its not always about the stats.
he was a great leader who knew how pull the offense together. he bought
more steaks for the offensive line then maddens had turkeys....lol......now that being
said he did have only average physical skills, but he was a smart player who stayed
within his limits. and yes they could have won in 85 with your 15 year old ass....

Ray

Patriots will go 14-2, and win the Superbowl. It took an unearthly catch by Tyree to lose the last one....the Giants weren't that good.

RPM wrote:let me learn ya something my friend from boston. its not always about the stats.
he was a great leader who knew how pull the offense together.

Ray

I agree with your premise that it's not always about the stats. That doesn't change the fact that the Bears were all run and defense. McMahon was ALWAYS an afterthought on that team. The only reason the guy ever got any publicity was because he was always arguing with then commissioner Pete Rozelle about wearing his Adidas headband. They weren't an NFL sponsor, so Rozelle made him change it. At that point, the guy went to wearing headbands with Rozelle's name on it. McMahon was an ass-clown, and a VERY average QB. I've seen a lot of NFL QB in my life, and can tell you that I wouldn't rank McMahon in the top 100 guys that I've personally seen. He simply wasn't that good, and his career statistics back that up! The reality is that if McMahon wasn't on that 1985 team, nobody would ever even have known the guy's name!


John from Boston

Enigma869 wrote:

RPM wrote:let me learn ya something my friend from boston. its not always about the stats.
he was a great leader who knew how pull the offense together.

Ray

I agree with your premise that it's not always about the stats. That doesn't change the fact that the Bears were all run and defense. McMahon was ALWAYS an afterthought on that team. The only reason the guy ever got any publicity was because he was always arguing with then commissioner Pete Rozelle about wearing his Adidas headband. They weren't an NFL sponsor, so Rozelle made him change it. At that point, the guy went to wearing headbands with Rozelle's name on it. McMahon was an ass-clown, and a VERY average QB. I've seen a lot of NFL QB in my life, and can tell you that I wouldn't rank McMahon in the top 100 guys that I've personally seen. He simply wasn't that good, and his career statistics back that up! The reality is that if McMahon wasn't on that 1985 team, nobody would ever even have known the guy's name!


John from Boston

No doubt John it was all defense and Walter, what you dont know (because you werent in chicago) is how much
fun he was for the team and fans, I agree with your assesment of his skill, but there were some intangibles he had
in 85 (like his interaction with Ditka!) that made him at least for that year better than an "afterthought"

Ray