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There has been some ongoing efforts from a few forum members (started by Rip Rokken) to bridge some of the divide between this forum and the official Arnel Pineda forum.

I for one welcome such moves as Arnel has shown himself to be a fellow of fine standing and humble origins and has by all reports been tearing it up on stage with the band this tour.
Arnel was unfairly targetted by a few here in the early days, but I think most of those folks have moved on and a few others have been won over by his efforts on the outstanding Journey album.

Part of the current efforts to perhaps give Arnel a chance to shine was a feature interview with me for this site. A request had been sent some montha go, so I sent another request this week.

It is with much regret and some sadness that I report that this request has been denied.

I hope that in time, it will be reconsidered. My door remains always open...

...wow. just... wow.

i pretty much feel devastated about this. no words.

I'm sorry you were denied, Andrew. In a way, however, it is a testiment to your willingness to allow all views on the state of Journey affairs.

I do find it interesting that they would deny you now, but granted an interview with you in 2006, which was so soon after the tapegate saga broke, and if I understand history correctly, was very much played out here. Just doesn't make sense to me. Go figure.

Andrew wrote:
Journey management stated: "The band feels that you are not a true supporter of the new line-up and therefore will not grant this interview."

These guys REALLY need to grow the fuck up! This "sorry, you don't like us enough" bullshit is embarrassing! I don't think I've EVER come across ANY group of artists who whine more about criticism. I realize that you haven't criticized them, Drew. I just don't get these guys. They're in the public eye. They should understand that with that, comes scrutiny. Sometimes the scrutiny is favorable, and sometimes it isn't. They should NEVER choose to grant interviews, based upon who their cheerleading squad is. I've never come across a group of misfits who are in more dire need of a public relations department! These fuckers just don't get it! Have they ever heard of the notion that there is no such thing as bad (and free) publicity


John from Boston

donnaplease wrote:I'm sorry you were denied, Andrew. In a way, however, it is a testiment to your willingness to allow all views on the state of Journey affairs.

I do find it interesting that they would deny you now, but granted an interview with you in 2006, which was so soon after the tapegate saga broke, and if I understand history correctly, was very much played out here. Just doesn't make sense to me. Go figure.

actually makes perfect sense if what the band and managemnet wanted was a way to force augeri out of the band.

MCC620 wrote:

donnaplease wrote:I'm sorry you were denied, Andrew. In a way, however, it is a testiment to your willingness to allow all views on the state of Journey affairs.

I do find it interesting that they would deny you now, but granted an interview with you in 2006, which was so soon after the tapegate saga broke, and if I understand history correctly, was very much played out here. Just doesn't make sense to me. Go figure.

actually makes perfect sense if what the band and managemnet wanted was a way to force augeri out of the band.

I know, M.

fluff 'em

mgmt is full of.............well, you know...............

Enigma869 wrote:

Andrew wrote:
Journey management stated: "The band feels that you are not a true supporter of the new line-up and therefore will not grant this interview."

These guys REALLY need to grow the fuck up! This "sorry, you don't like us enough" bullshit is embarrassing! I don't think I've EVER come across ANY group of artists who whine more about criticism. I realize that you haven't criticized them, Drew. I just don't get these guys. They're in the public eye. They should understand that with that, comes scrutiny. Sometimes the scrutiny is favorable, and sometimes it isn't. They should NEVER choose to grant interviews, based upon who their cheerleading squad is. I've never come across a group of misfits who are in more dire need of a public relations department! These fuckers just don't get it! Have they ever heard of the notion that there is no such thing as bad (and free) publicity


John from Boston

unfortunately it seems they prefer "controlled" publicity. but between this and the ilaa screwup with the meet and greets they are getting some not so good publicity

I'm disappointed for you as a journalist not getting the interview, but for allowing us a forum to voice our opinions openly without fear of censorship concerning our individual attitudes about Journey, I salute your intregity.

(Crazy)Dulce Lady wrote:fluff 'em

mgmt is full of.............well, you know...............

come on deb don't put it all on management. we all know neal and jon have a say.

MCC620 wrote:

(Crazy)Dulce Lady wrote:fluff 'em

mgmt is full of.............well, you know...............

come on deb don't put it all on management. we all know neal and jon have a say.

Maria, I'd be willing to bet it was at least partially JC's input. He gets roasted here constantly (well deserved, might I add).

Keep up the good work, boys!!!

Arnel got torn to shreds here pretty badly for a long time. I can't say that their decision surprises me one bit. Had Arnel been afforded 1/100th of the same "protection" Soto receives, that interview would have been granted in a second. I'm not saying that Andrew is a bad person in any way, but I think he made some poor decisions regarding the pasting Arnel took. At one time, there were literally 2 or 3 people sticking up for him while he got belted. Schon and Cain had a history of fuck ups to wage war against them at least in some capacity. The same simply cannot be said about Arnel. He's never done shit to anyone and the length of his professional, cultural and personal online rape was far too long.

Saint John wrote:Arnel got torn to shreds here pretty badly for a long time. I can't say that their decision surprises me one bit. Had Arnel been afforded 1/100th of the same "protection" Soto receives, that interview would have been granted in a second. I'm not saying that Andrew is a bad person in any way, but I think he made some poor decisions regarding the pasting Arnel took. At one time, there were literally 2 or 3 people sticking up for him while he got belted. Schon and Cain had a history of fuck ups to wage war against them at least in some capacity. The same simply cannot be said about Arnel. He's never done shit to anyone and the length of his professional, cultural and personal online rape was far too long.

That was months ago, Dan. He's had quite a lot of cheerleading going on for quite some time.

Saint John wrote:Arnel got torn to shreds here pretty badly for a long time. I can't say that their decision surprises me one bit. Had Arnel been afforded 1/100th of the same "protection" Soto receives, that interview would have been granted in a second. I'm not saying that Andrew is a bad person in any way, but I think he made some poor decisions regarding the pasting Arnel took. At one time, there were literally 2 or 3 people sticking up for him while he got belted. Schon and Cain had a history of fuck ups to wage war against them at least in some capacity. The same simply cannot be said about Arnel. He's never done shit to anyone and the length of his professional, cultural and personal online rape was far too long.

Good post..

Maybe they will grant you the interview if you ban Soto,,,,,,without letting him know about it,,,,

Behshad wrote:Maybe they will grant you the interview if you ban Soto,,,,,,without letting him know about it,,,,

LMFAO

donnaplease wrote:

Saint John wrote:Arnel got torn to shreds here pretty badly for a long time. I can't say that their decision surprises me one bit. Had Arnel been afforded 1/100th of the same "protection" Soto receives, that interview would have been granted in a second. I'm not saying that Andrew is a bad person in any way, but I think he made some poor decisions regarding the pasting Arnel took. At one time, there were literally 2 or 3 people sticking up for him while he got belted. Schon and Cain had a history of fuck ups to wage war against them at least in some capacity. The same simply cannot be said about Arnel. He's never done shit to anyone and the length of his professional, cultural and personal online rape was far too long.

That was months ago, Dan. He's had quite a lot of cheerleading going on for quite some time.

And deservedly so.. Arnel's great.

MCC620 wrote:
unfortunately it seems they prefer "controlled" publicity.

I think you're correct! It's just really inexcuseable. I realize that no band or artists wants bad things said about them. I just think that these guys really need to take a step back and look at the big picture. Whether people are critical of something or not, it doesn't change the fact that they are fans of the music of this band! That should be good enough. Hopefully, someone will boot Schon and Co. in the ass, and make them realize just how bad they look when they turn down an interview and give their reason as "sorry, you don't like us enough". Truly embarrassing!


John from Boston

Enigma869 wrote:

MCC620 wrote:
unfortunately it seems they prefer "controlled" publicity.

I think you're correct! It's just really inexcuseable. I realize that no band or artists wants bad things about them. I just think that these guys really need to take a step back and look at the big picture. Whether people are critical of something or not, it doesn't change the fact that they are fans of the music of this band! That should be good enough. Hopefully, someone will boot Schon and Co. in the ass, and make them realize just how bad they look when they turn down an interview and give their reason as "sorry, you don't like us enough". Truly embarrassing!

Not every day this happens with me and you John... but...

I do agree.

That is very sad, I am sorry Andrew. We know you are a fair man. If we can do anything to help, please let us know.

while the slicing and dicing of augeri (who was with the band for 8 years and gave andrew many great interviews) and his fans was still occurring online here, andrew spent an entire weekend in california with the band and got the inside scoop. but now they don't feel he is a true supporter of the band? typical journey bullshit. they obviously think they don't need him and his site anymore.

Behshad wrote:Maybe they will grant you the interview if you ban Soto,,,,,,without letting him know about it,,,,

Someone call Cronin and tell him to tell Soto that Andrew banned him!!!

Haha, someone needs to give Arnel advice to never talk to Cronin

Would it help any if Tito started one of them appreciation thread thingies for Arnel???

ProgRocker53 wrote:

Enigma869 wrote:

MCC620 wrote:
unfortunately it seems they prefer "controlled" publicity.

I think you're correct! It's just really inexcuseable. I realize that no band or artists wants bad things about them. I just think that these guys really need to take a step back and look at the big picture. Whether people are critical of something or not, it doesn't change the fact that they are fans of the music of this band! That should be good enough. Hopefully, someone will boot Schon and Co. in the ass, and make them realize just how bad they look when they turn down an interview and give their reason as "sorry, you don't like us enough". Truly embarrassing!

Not every day this happens with me and you John... but...

I do agree.

he NEVER agrees with me

Does this mean this new found love affair with the "Shoutbox" is over? Or is everyone going to be over there asking "Why" every other post? You know it's going to happen.

Dan's right.
I was lurkng here at the height of the racist ugliness last year, so let's not pretend none of it happened,
or that it was less vast than it was, or that Arnel didn't really mean much when he referred to past negativity
here.

That said...
I beleve Arnel himself will give you an interview.
Unless journey management muzzles him, he's actually okay with it.
You just have to understand that his limited free time is going to go first to those who
don't remind him of past and (I assure you) extremely painful unpleasantness.

Arnel's on record, regarding that intervew of yours that Rip's been trying to broker:

"Knellsky: I HAVEN'T EVEN HAD AN INTERVIEW WITH RYAN. HEHEHE. IT WILL HAPPEN"


-wech

Sorry to hear that for you, Andrew...but, this is a place where people can express their different feelings & opinions where other places won't let you. Doesn't it show something when we can read & know all the 'bad stuff that went down' and still love & buy Journey's music? Geez.

wednesday's child wrote:Dan's right.
I was lurkng here at the height of the racist ugliness last year, so let's not pretend none of it happened,
or that it was less vast than it was, or that Arnel didn't really mean much when he referred to past negativity
here.

That said...
I beleve Arnel himself will give you an interview.
Unless journey management muzzles him, he's actually okay with it.
You just have to understand that his limited free time is going to go first to those who
don't remind him of past and (I assure you) extremely painful unpleasantness.

Arnel's on record, regarding that intervew of yours that Rip's been trying to broker:

"Knellsky: I HAVEN'T EVEN HAD AN INTERVIEW WITH RYAN. HEHEHE. IT WILL HAPPEN"




-wech

While both you and Dan make a good point about the band having good reasons to deny this interview, Maria makes a good point too....Why didnt the band deny Drew the interview in 2006 when Augeri wasnt being treated like a King here......

Saint John wrote:Arnel got torn to shreds here pretty badly for a long time. I can't say that their decision surprises me one bit. Had Arnel been afforded 1/100th of the same "protection" Soto receives, that interview would have been granted in a second. I'm not saying that Andrew is a bad person in any way, but I think he made some poor decisions regarding the pasting Arnel took. At one time, there were literally 2 or 3 people sticking up for him while he got belted. Schon and Cain had a history of fuck ups to wage war against them at least in some capacity. The same simply cannot be said about Arnel. He's never done shit to anyone and the length of his professional, cultural and personal online rape was far too long.

50 thumbs up!