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Reform or Change.

PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 1:45 am
by whirlwind
Which do you really believe is the stronger, believable platform?

Obama's Change or McCain's Reform?

Re: Reform or Change.

PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 2:01 am
by conversationpc
whirlwind wrote:Which do you really believe is the stronger, believable platform?

Obama's Change or McCain's Reform?


Reform, hands down. Love him or hate him, McCain has at least attempted to reform government to some degree. The change Obama is talking about is not really change at all, just the same old politics of the left.

As far as McCains "reform", though, we'll wait and see. I'm not a McCain fan and I'm uneasy about whatever he is referring to when he uses that term.

PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 2:06 am
by Saint John
At the very least, McCain has outlined and described his reform platform. Obama hasn't outlined (at least with any sort of specificity) what sort of "change" he's talking about. Obama's main support groups are inner city trash and wide-eyed, Dave Matthews listening college kids who get a warm and fuzzy feeling inside because it makes them feel good to be voting for a black dude...even if he is a Muslim at heart and has spent the last 20 years being schooled by a white bashing racist pastor.

Re: Reform or Change.

PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 4:11 am
by artist4perry
conversationpc wrote:
whirlwind wrote:Which do you really believe is the stronger, believable platform?

Obama's Change or McCain's Reform?


Reform, hands down. Love him or hate him, McCain has at least attempted to reform government to some degree. The change Obama is talking about is not really change at all, just the same old politics of the left.

As far as McCains "reform", though, we'll wait and see. I'm not a McCain fan and I'm uneasy about whatever he is referring to when he uses that term.

Either one promise the moon and typically once in office Presidents tend to be buisness as usual. I have some hopes for Palin though. She has put her walk in the talk. The men, well what can I say. They are men! Biden is vicious and cruel at times, he has a reputation of being of "the old guard" buisness as usual crowd. I have little respect for him, and Obama is going to have his handsful getting any "Change" done with him in his midst.

Re: Reform or Change.

PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 4:14 am
by conversationpc
artist4perry wrote:Either one promise the moon and typically once in office Presidents tend to be buisness as usual. I have some hopes for Palin though. She has put her walk in the talk. The men, well what can I say. They are men! Biden is vicious and cruel at times, he has a reputation of being of "the old guard" buisness as usual crowd. I have little respect for him, and Obama is going to have his handsful getting any "Change" done with him in his midst.


Biden is an ass. He was the one who belittled a reporter, saying that he was sure his IQ was much higher than the reporter's. Yeah, his IQ was so high that he had to plagiarize someone else's speech.

Re: Reform or Change.

PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 4:16 am
by artist4perry
conversationpc wrote:
artist4perry wrote:Either one promise the moon and typically once in office Presidents tend to be buisness as usual. I have some hopes for Palin though. She has put her walk in the talk. The men, well what can I say. They are men! Biden is vicious and cruel at times, he has a reputation of being of "the old guard" buisness as usual crowd. I have little respect for him, and Obama is going to have his handsful getting any "Change" done with him in his midst.


Biden is an ass. He was the one who belittled a reporter, saying that he was sure his IQ was much higher than the reporter's. Yeah, his IQ was so high that he had to plagiarize someone else's speech.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 4:26 am
by whirlwind
Saint John wrote:At the very least, McCain has outlined and described his reform platform. Obama hasn't outlined (at least with any sort of specificity) what sort of "change" he's talking about. Obama's main support groups are inner city trash and wide-eyed, Dave Matthews listening college kids who get a warm and fuzzy feeling inside because it makes them feel good to be voting for a black dude...even if he is a Muslim at heart and has spent the last 20 years being schooled by a white bashing racist pastor.






That's about how I see it also. When he speaks of change I pretty much see it as a change, he is hinting at to some people, that will finally make them proud to be an American, :wink:

Re: Reform or Change.

PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 4:29 am
by Barb
conversationpc wrote:
artist4perry wrote:Either one promise the moon and typically once in office Presidents tend to be buisness as usual. I have some hopes for Palin though. She has put her walk in the talk. The men, well what can I say. They are men! Biden is vicious and cruel at times, he has a reputation of being of "the old guard" buisness as usual crowd. I have little respect for him, and Obama is going to have his handsful getting any "Change" done with him in his midst.


Biden is an ass. He was the one who belittled a reporter, saying that he was sure his IQ was much higher than the reporter's. Yeah, his IQ was so high that he had to plagiarize someone else's speech.


You know how the left went all bananas on Cheney's five deferments from Vietnam?

http://www.courant.com/news/politics/at ... 4547.story

Couldn't go into the military because of Asthma but was quite able to play football and be a lifeguard. :roll:

PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 4:47 am
by whirlwind
Biden has a few statements that he should go back and soft peddle.

“If the Democrats think we're going to be able to nominate someone who can win without that person being able to [bring to the] table unimpeachable credentials on national security and foreign policy, I think we're making a tragic mistake.”

I would think that Obama would worry about losing some of the Black American vote after Biden stated that Obama was neat and articulate for a Black American, or words to that effect.

Re: Reform or Change.

PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 6:01 am
by lights1961
whirlwind wrote:Which do you really believe is the stronger, believable platform?

Obama's Change or McCain's Reform?


only change liberals (Obama want to do is put more money into their coffers... as in GOVERNMENT... take it away from us (OUR MOINEY) and give to them (GOVT programs that have never solved anything...

Rick