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I see that Yes is now touring with Steve Howe, Chris Squire, and Alan White... but no Jon Anderson. WTF??? Did they find a new singer on YouTube?

Journey seems to have started a trend for 80's bands to replace their famous lead singers and get away with it. Next thing you know, Mick Jagger will be getting kicked to the curb and replaced with a younger YouTube soundalike.

Let's face it, the vocals go way before the fingers go. The guitarists, bassists, keyboard players, and drummers can keep on playing into their 70's, but the vocalists start to lose their edge at around 50. While there are some exceptions to the rule (Sammy Hagar, Sting, Paul Rodgers), for every one of them you have a David Lee Roth, Steve Perry, Brian Johnson, or Geddy Lee who are losing their voices. Some of these guys just keep on touring and raking in the cash even though their voices are trashed.

I'll be going to see AC/DC in January, and I don't know what to expect from Brian. Last time I heard him on a live recording he was sounding like he had been gargling with sand mixed with glass fragments. I think it would be cool if they recruited Jesse James Dupree of Jackyl to help him out with the lead vocals, because I imagine we will be hearing some croaking and cracking. But they will rake in the bucks anyway.

Voyager wrote:Next thing you know, Mick Jagger will be getting kicked to the curb and replaced with a younger YouTube soundalike.

Sounding like Jagger isn't that great of an accomplishment! That dude sucks!


John from Boston

Would it be Journey that started it or Judas Priest, even though Halford came back after some time....?

Nah, it's just that most bands have been on the "sobering up" kick, so now they find they can't put up with each other any more!

Enigma869 wrote:

Voyager wrote:Next thing you know, Mick Jagger will be getting kicked to the curb and replaced with a younger YouTube soundalike.

Sounding like Jagger isn't that great of an accomplishment! That dude sucks!


John from Boston

Really? That must be why they make more money on tour than any other band.

I wouldn't say Mick sucks, but he's never been my cup of tea. I watched one of their concerts on VH1, and the dude knows how to perform for an audience, that's for sure. But I never was much of a fan of their music. The only song of theirs that I ever cared for was "Shattered". I was more into Journey, Def Leppard, Rush, Judas Priest, Van Halen, etc.

Voyager wrote:I see that Yes is now touring with Steve Howe, Chris Squire, and Alan White... but no Jon Anderson. WTF??? Did they find a new singer on YouTube?

Yeah, someone posted about this a few weeks ago. Anderson has some kind of respiratory infection that has taken him a while to get over.

Let's face it, the vocals go way before the fingers go. The guitarists, bassists, keyboard players, and drummers can keep on playing into their 70's, but the vocalists start to lose their edge at around 50. While there are some exceptions to the rule (Sammy Hagar, Sting, Paul Rodgers), for every one of them you have a David Lee Roth, Steve Perry, Brian Johnson, or Geddy Lee who are losing their voices. Some of these guys just keep on touring and raking in the cash even though their voices are trashed.

Most male singers start having noticeable changes in their voices in their mid 30s from what I've seen. Even Hagar's voice has changed over the years. Paul Rodgers does still sound remarkably similar to his early years, though.

I'll be going to see AC/DC in January, and I don't know what to expect from Brian. Last time I heard him on a live recording he was sounding like he had been gargling with sand mixed with glass fragments. I think it would be cool if they recruited Jesse James Dupree of Jackyl to help him out with the lead vocals, because I imagine we will be hearing some croaking and cracking. But they will rake in the bucks anyway.

Brian Johnson...That guy is lucky he can still talk singing like he does for so many years.

conversationpc wrote:

Voyager wrote:I see that Yes is now touring with Steve Howe, Chris Squire, and Alan White... but no Jon Anderson. WTF??? Did they find a new singer on YouTube?

Yeah, someone posted about this a few weeks ago. Anderson has some kind of respiratory infection that has taken him a while to get over.

Let's face it, the vocals go way before the fingers go. The guitarists, bassists, keyboard players, and drummers can keep on playing into their 70's, but the vocalists start to lose their edge at around 50. While there are some exceptions to the rule (Sammy Hagar, Sting, Paul Rodgers), for every one of them you have a David Lee Roth, Steve Perry, Brian Johnson, or Geddy Lee who are losing their voices. Some of these guys just keep on touring and raking in the cash even though their voices are trashed.

Most male singers start having noticeable changes in their voices in their mid 30s from what I've seen. Even Hagar's voice has changed over the years. Paul Rodgers does still sound remarkably similar to his early years, though.

I'll be going to see AC/DC in January, and I don't know what to expect from Brian. Last time I heard him on a live recording he was sounding like he had been gargling with sand mixed with glass fragments. I think it would be cool if they recruited Jesse James Dupree of Jackyl to help him out with the lead vocals, because I imagine we will be hearing some croaking and cracking. But they will rake in the bucks anyway.

Brian Johnson...That guy is lucky he can still talk singing like he does for so many years.

Every time I hear him sing it makes me want to drink a bottle of cough medicine.

conversationpc wrote:[ Paul Rodgers does still sound remarkably similar to his early years, though.

Yeah...mediocre.

Saint John wrote:

conversationpc wrote:[ Paul Rodgers does still sound remarkably similar to his early years, though.

Yeah...mediocre.

He's not one of my favorites but he is certanly much better than average.

Voyager wrote:

Enigma869 wrote:

Voyager wrote:Next thing you know, Mick Jagger will be getting kicked to the curb and replaced with a younger YouTube soundalike.

Sounding like Jagger isn't that great of an accomplishment! That dude sucks!


John from Boston

Really? That must be why they make more money on tour than any other band.

I wouldn't say Mick sucks, but he's never been my cup of tea. I watched one of their concerts on VH1, and the dude knows how to perform for an audience, that's for sure. But I never was much of a fan of their music. The only song of theirs that I ever cared for was "Shattered". I was more into Journey, Def Leppard, Rush, Judas Priest, Van Halen, etc.

When I saw them on the tattoo you tour, The crowd had pretty much booed Perry and the boys off the stage a little earlier. Mick sounded like shit and this was 1981. I can't imagine what he sounds like now, but Stones fans won't care. For them it's the concert experience more than the quality of the music.

If anybody did, it was Styx. Thank God they did. Nothing against DeYoung (who I like a lot) , but Styx just wasn't a rock band anymore with him at the helm AND Gowan's such a better keyboard player.

brywool wrote:If anybody did, it was Styx. Thank God they did. Nothing against DeYoung (who I like a lot) , but Styx just wasn't a rock band anymore with him at the helm AND Gowan's such a better keyboard player.

You're right - I forgot about them. They were the first to surgically remove the LSD (lead singer disease) out of the band. Without the enormous ego that made the band top-heavy, they were able to continue touring and recording without all that conflict. The same thing has happened for Journey. Good for them. Who needs all the drama? Just make the fucking music and tour!

Voyager wrote:

brywool wrote:If anybody did, it was Styx. Thank God they did. Nothing against DeYoung (who I like a lot) , but Styx just wasn't a rock band anymore with him at the helm AND Gowan's such a better keyboard player.

You're right - I forgot about them. They were the first to surgically remove the LSD (lead singer disease) out of the band. Without the enormous ego that made the band top-heavy, they were able to continue touring and recording without all that conflict. The same thing has happened for Journey. Good for them. Who needs all the drama? Just make the fucking music and tour!

David Lee Roth was booted WAY before Dennis was.

Enigma869 wrote:Sounding like Jagger isn't that great of an accomplishment! That dude sucks!


John from Boston

Voyager wrote: Really? That must be why they make more money on tour than any other band.

I never said that the Stones don't have diehard, loyal fans. That said, just because someone makes a ton of money on tour doesn't mean they're great. As far as I know, acts like "The New Kids On The Block" and "Britney Spears" have also made a ton of money! It means absolutely nothing. I've always thought Jagger sucked. The one thing I'll applaud the guy for is putting together a remarkable, legendary career, for what I thought was very little talent, and a shit singing voice!


John from Boston

Enigma869 wrote:
As far as I know, acts like "The New Kids On The Block" and "Britney Spears" have also made a ton of money! It means absolutely nothing.

Stupid comparison. The Stones have done it for over 40 years. The aforementioned acts did it for a few...if that.

epresley wrote:

Voyager wrote:

brywool wrote:If anybody did, it was Styx. Thank God they did. Nothing against DeYoung (who I like a lot) , but Styx just wasn't a rock band anymore with him at the helm AND Gowan's such a better keyboard player.

You're right - I forgot about them. They were the first to surgically remove the LSD (lead singer disease) out of the band. Without the enormous ego that made the band top-heavy, they were able to continue touring and recording without all that conflict. The same thing has happened for Journey. Good for them. Who needs all the drama? Just make the fucking music and tour!

David Lee Roth was booted WAY before Dennis was.

ah, forgot about that. yup.

epresley wrote:

Voyager wrote:

brywool wrote:If anybody did, it was Styx. Thank God they did. Nothing against DeYoung (who I like a lot) , but Styx just wasn't a rock band anymore with him at the helm AND Gowan's such a better keyboard player.

You're right - I forgot about them. They were the first to surgically remove the LSD (lead singer disease) out of the band. Without the enormous ego that made the band top-heavy, they were able to continue touring and recording without all that conflict. The same thing has happened for Journey. Good for them. Who needs all the drama? Just make the fucking music and tour!

David Lee Roth was booted WAY before Dennis was.

Yeah, but the big difference with that was Van Hagar never rode on DLR's shirt tails... they made all new music. Styx and Journey still sell concert tickets due to the music that was made with their former singers.

Saint John wrote:Stupid comparison. The Stones have done it for over 40 years. The aforementioned acts did it for a few...if that.

I don't care if they do it for 40 more years. Jagger still sucks!


John from Boston

Voyager wrote:Yeah, but the big difference with that was Van Hagar never rode on DLR's shirt tails... they made all new music. Styx and Journey still sell concert tickets due to the music that was made with their former singers.

That music was made by 5 guys. And while the lead singer is arguably the most recognizable, the fact that Journey was still able to draw 26,000 people in Chicago and 20,000 plus in every major city points to the fact that Steve Perry is not that missed. Is Arnel as good? No way, but no one is riding Perry's coattails. He hung them up long ago. It's not Journey's fault he can't sing anymore. I don't see why they should have to throw 20 years of making incredible music out the window because Steve Perry didn't take care of his voice. They're playing music people obviously still want to hear.

Enigma869 wrote:

Saint John wrote:Stupid comparison. The Stones have done it for over 40 years. The aforementioned acts did it for a few...if that.

I don't care if they do it for 40 more years. Jagger still sucks!


John from Boston

No argument here. Great little frontman, but vocally does nothing for me.

Deb wrote:

Enigma869 wrote:

Saint John wrote:Stupid comparison. The Stones have done it for over 40 years. The aforementioned acts did it for a few...if that.

I don't care if they do it for 40 more years. Jagger still sucks!


John from Boston

No argument here. Great little frontman, but vocally does nothing for me.

If he took one picture with you you'd be on here gyrating as you typed about how much "soul" he has and how he "emotes."

Saint John wrote:

Deb wrote:

Enigma869 wrote:

Saint John wrote:Stupid comparison. The Stones have done it for over 40 years. The aforementioned acts did it for a few...if that.

I don't care if they do it for 40 more years. Jagger still sucks!


John from Boston

No argument here. Great little frontman, but vocally does nothing for me.

If he took one picture with you you'd be on here gyrating as you typed about how much "soul" he has and how he "emotes."

Not true at all. Have a picture with Kip Winger and as much as I like Winger's music and he's a sweetheart of a guy...... he's got a good voice but I wouldn't put him up there with my top 3 soul emoters.

Saint John wrote:but no one is riding Perry's coattails.

Then explain Revelation disc 2.

Come on, they purposely went looking (twice!) for a Perry sound alike.
If they weren't riding on Perry, a whole lot more people might have been considered for that spot, but they only went for ones who could do Perryoke.

Deb wrote:with my top 3 soul emoters.

Speaking of which...that fucking coke head that just cashed in from The Four Topps had more soul and emotion than anyone I've ever heard...with the exception of Steve Perry.

bluejeangirl76 wrote:If they weren't riding on Perry

....

Hehehehe

(Jesus on a hot tin roof, what am I today, 12?)

Saint John wrote:

Deb wrote:with my top 3 soul emoters.

Speaking of which...that fucking coke head that just cashed in from The Four Topps had more soul and emotion than anyone I've ever heard...with the exception of Steve Perry.

I like my soulful vocals to have a little husk. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpZ9fWvTR80

Think that's why I liked Perry's later vocal tone more. IMO it portrays more emotion than the crystal clear high vocals.

Rhiannon wrote:

bluejeangirl76 wrote:If they weren't riding on Perry

....

Hehehehe

(Jesus on a hot tin roof, what am I today, 12?)

Based on the last several PMs, yes.

But seriously, they're riding so far up Perry's ass that he's gonna need to march in a parade and minute now.

(I hope ALL of you were drinking something right at that moment)

bluejeangirl76 wrote:Then explain Revelation disc 2.

Journey remaking Journey songs? Yeah, that's ridiculous. They're on record as saying they did not want to do that, but the deal was too lucrative. So rather than be posers they parlayed it into a 2 disc package at no extra cost...but everyone says they're greedy.

bluejeangirl76 wrote:Come on, they purposely went looking (twice!) for a Perry sound alike.

They have to stay true to their back catalog. 20 years ago they may have been able to forge in a different direction a la Van Halen and AC/DC, but not in 1998. Besides, the songs are written around a high tenor. Would you want Neal to retire and replace him with the fucking guitarist from Nirvana? It has to sound right. Get your head out of your ass, throw away your Loon card and join the thinking world.

bluejeangirl76 wrote:

Rhiannon wrote:

bluejeangirl76 wrote:If they weren't riding on Perry

....

Hehehehe

(Jesus on a hot tin roof, what am I today, 12?)

Based on the last several PMs, yes.

But seriously, they're riding so far up Perry's ass that he's gonna need to march in a parade and minute now.

(I hope ALL of you were drinking something right at that moment)

I was flinging my poo......

brywool wrote:If anybody did, it was Styx. Thank God they did. Nothing against DeYoung (who I like a lot) , but Styx just wasn't a rock band anymore with him at the helm AND Gowan's such a better keyboard player.

Absolutey 100% right!!!