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Time to lose this bullshit piece of complacent embarrassment. You guys are far too good to be restricted by gay choreography. If Neal wants to rip into a fuckin' extended solo then God Damn it...let him!!! You guys are becoming formatted and somewhat boring to your hardcore fans that go to multiple shows and would like some variation to the songs. The decision to do this is as fucking dumb as waiting for that big beaked asshole to tour for over 20 years!!!

I just took an Ambien and my eyes and brain are not working...I thought this said "chick track" then i opened it and read it and it made no sense....i should go to bed soon.

Til they do away with canned backing vox, the click is here to stay I think :/

But I totally agree. Some people have problems with bands recording to clicks in the studio; that's silly. But, live performances should never be synced to a click, that just sucks.

Saint John wrote:Time to lose this bullshit piece of complacent embarrassment. You guys are far too good to be restricted by gay choreography. If Neal wants to rip into a fuckin' extended solo then God Damn it...let him!!! You guys are becoming formatted and somewhat boring to your hardcore fans that go to multiple shows and would like some variation to the songs. The decision to do this is as fucking dumb as waiting for that big beaked asshole to tour for over 20 years!!!

Bullshit.
Deen can't play consistantly without a metronome. Anything Journey does with additional backing tracks is just icing on the cake. The only reason this was dropped with JSS was because there was an attempt to lower songs by a couple keys to accomodate his voice, and there was no BGV in key. Even then, Deen still played with a metronome.

Surely the technology exists for the best of both worlds - a click track for timekeeping / bg vocals and keyboard synchs, as well as the ability to start and stop synch tracks within a song when Neal wants to go off of the reservation and rip one up...

Jeremey wrote:Bullshit.
Deen can't play consistantly without a metronome.

Why not? Practice, practice, practice...

Angel wrote:I just took an Ambien and my eyes and brain are not working...I thought this said "chick track" then i opened it and read it and it made no sense....i should go to bed soon.

can i tuck you in?

Saint John wrote:

Jeremey wrote:Bullshit.
Deen can't play consistantly without a metronome.

Why not? Practice, practice, practice...

30 years of practice still doesn't make you a machine. And those lights don't move by telepathy.

Jeremey wrote:

Saint John wrote:Time to lose this bullshit piece of complacent embarrassment. You guys are far too good to be restricted by gay choreography. If Neal wants to rip into a fuckin' extended solo then God Damn it...let him!!! You guys are becoming formatted and somewhat boring to your hardcore fans that go to multiple shows and would like some variation to the songs. The decision to do this is as fucking dumb as waiting for that big beaked asshole to tour for over 20 years!!!

Bullshit.
Deen can't play consistantly without a metronome. Anything Journey does with additional backing tracks is just icing on the cake. The only reason this was dropped with JSS was because there was an attempt to lower songs by a couple keys to accomodate his voice, and there was no BGV in key. Even then, Deen still played with a metronome.

get a new drummer.A drummers job is to keep time period.Of course he covers lead vocals when needed{many times}

Jeremey wrote:

Saint John wrote:

Jeremey wrote:Bullshit.
Deen can't play consistantly without a metronome.

Why not? Practice, practice, practice...

30 years of practice still doesn't make you a machine. And those lights don't move by telepathy.

Their light show is about as exciting as fuckin' stomach cancer. Ditch the lights and play (what some of consider completely) "live."

Do they use the tracks for pre-ROR stuff, and if they do, is it because of the faster tempo the old songs are played at now?

Saint John wrote: The decision to do this is as fucking dumb as waiting for that big beaked asshole to tour for over 20 years!!!

I was with you RIGHT up to the end, there.
That big beaked asshole made that band what is was. Stress on "was".

bluejeangirl76 wrote:

Saint John wrote: The decision to do this is as fucking dumb as waiting for that big beaked asshole to tour for over 20 years!!!

I was with you RIGHT up to the end, there.
That big beaked asshole made that band what is was. Stress on "was".

you are hot

stevew2 wrote:

bluejeangirl76 wrote:

Saint John wrote: The decision to do this is as fucking dumb as waiting for that big beaked asshole to tour for over 20 years!!!

I was with you RIGHT up to the end, there.
That big beaked asshole made that band what is was. Stress on "was".

you are hot

Her avatar looks like a meth addict. What are you looking at?

bluejeangirl76 wrote:

Saint John wrote: The decision to do this is as fucking dumb as waiting for that big beaked asshole to tour for over 20 years!!!

I was with you RIGHT up to the end, there.
That big beaked asshole made that band what is was. Stress on "was".

lol...that fuckin' creep isn't even missed. 26,000 happy faces in Chicago. Last time he was here solo he played at The Arie Crown. That dude is so overrated outside of Journey. He's a fucking anecdote...a joke. Journey is fine without him.

Gunbot wrote:

stevew2 wrote:

bluejeangirl76 wrote:

Saint John wrote: The decision to do this is as fucking dumb as waiting for that big beaked asshole to tour for over 20 years!!!

I was with you RIGHT up to the end, there.
That big beaked asshole made that band what is was. Stress on "was".

you are hot

Her avatar looks like a meth addict. What are you looking at?

Hey.
Leave my avatar alone. That's my porn.

Saint John wrote:

Jeremey wrote:

Saint John wrote:

Jeremey wrote:Bullshit.
Deen can't play consistantly without a metronome.

Why not? Practice, practice, practice...

30 years of practice still doesn't make you a machine. And those lights don't move by telepathy.

Their light show is about as exciting as fuckin' stomach cancer. Ditch the lights and play (what some of consider completely) "live."

Hey, here's the big news....Deen plays like a motherfucker. He gets carried away. The click track is there for consistancy. I don't give a fuck if he's singing or playing "Dead or Alive," he would get a boner mid-song and begin to rush everything. NO ONE plays without click tracks these days.

Jeremey wrote:

Saint John wrote:

Jeremey wrote:

Saint John wrote:

Jeremey wrote:Bullshit.
Deen can't play consistantly without a metronome.

Why not? Practice, practice, practice...

30 years of practice still doesn't make you a machine. And those lights don't move by telepathy.

Their light show is about as exciting as fuckin' stomach cancer. Ditch the lights and play (what some of consider completely) "live."

Hey, here's the big news....Deen plays like a motherfucker. He gets carried away. The click track is there for consistancy. I don't give a fuck if he's singing or playing "Dead or Alive," he would get a boner mid-song and begin to rush everything. NO ONE plays without click tracks these days.

Without being too much of a prick I'd say you're discounting Deen's skills (something I did for a lot of years...til last year). You saying he can't do it "live" like I suggested?

Saint John wrote:

Jeremey wrote:

Saint John wrote:

Jeremey wrote:

Saint John wrote:

Jeremey wrote:Bullshit.
Deen can't play consistantly without a metronome.

Why not? Practice, practice, practice...

30 years of practice still doesn't make you a machine. And those lights don't move by telepathy.

Their light show is about as exciting as fuckin' stomach cancer. Ditch the lights and play (what some of consider completely) "live."

Hey, here's the big news....Deen plays like a motherfucker. He gets carried away. The click track is there for consistancy. I don't give a fuck if he's singing or playing "Dead or Alive," he would get a boner mid-song and begin to rush everything. NO ONE plays without click tracks these days.

Without being too much of a prick I'd say you're discounting Deen's skills (something I did for a lot of years...til last year). You saying he can't do it "live" like I suggested?

Dan...

I'm telling you, Deen....As much as any drummer, there is not a machine built into them. They cannot synch the lightshow without a click track...Fuck the backgound vocals, Deen could sing them live all year long

Jeremey wrote:Dan...

I'm telling you, Deen....As much as any drummer, there is not a machine built into them. They cannot synch the lightshow without a click track...Fuck the backgound vocals, Deen could sing them live all year long

Pont taken. I missed your point being about the lights....but fuck the lights!!!

Saint John wrote:

Jeremey wrote:Dan...

I'm telling you, Deen....As much as any drummer, there is not a machine built into them. They cannot synch the lightshow without a click track...Fuck the backgound vocals, Deen could sing them live all year long

Pont taken. I missed your point being about the lights....but fuck the lights!!!

Smitty, as much as being one of the best 4 drummers in the world, lost his gig with Journey in 1985 without being able to hold up to a click track. He will tell you as much

Jeremey wrote:

Saint John wrote:

Jeremey wrote:Dan...

I'm telling you, Deen....As much as any drummer, there is not a machine built into them. They cannot synch the lightshow without a click track...Fuck the backgound vocals, Deen could sing them live all year long

Pont taken. I missed your point being about the lights....but fuck the lights!!!

Smitty, as much as being one of the best 4 drummers in the world, lost his gig with Journey in 1985 without being able to hold up to a click track. He will tell you as much

Smitty quit his job back then and he told me as much.

Saint John wrote:

Jeremey wrote:

Saint John wrote:

Jeremey wrote:Dan...

I'm telling you, Deen....As much as any drummer, there is not a machine built into them. They cannot synch the lightshow without a click track...Fuck the backgound vocals, Deen could sing them live all year long

Pont taken. I missed your point being about the lights....but fuck the lights!!!

Smitty, as much as being one of the best 4 drummers in the world, lost his gig with Journey in 1985 without being able to hold up to a click track. He will tell you as much

Smitty quit his job back then and he told me as much.

Why did he tell you he quit? Too much money?

Most "good" drummers hate click tracks and I would assume Deen can't stand playing to one. Too bad the guys can't all sing like they used to, they wouldn't need the friking canned vox and click shit. It's all so robotic when the band plays to a click track. Journey scrapes by with it because let's face it, you're really paying attention to 2 people in that band for the most part, lead vocalist and lead guitar. Sure Deen, Jon and Ross rock... but it's really a 2 man show.

I love it when Rush plays a few tunes without the click tracks, they really loosen up and jam. Complete with missed notes, dropped sticks, fucked up bass runs, but it's all so dynanic and live, it's worth it. 2112 is one of the tunes where they just cut loose and have fun with it. Same with YYZ. Geddy's face is priceless when he frucks up those solos.

texafana wrote:Most "good" drummers hate click tracks and I would assume Deen can't stand playing to one. Too bad the guys can't all sing like they used to, they wouldn't need the friking canned vox and click shit. It's all so robotic when the band plays to a click track. Journey scrapes by with it because let's face it, you're really paying attention to 2 people in that band for the most part, lead vocalist and lead guitar. Sure Deen, Jon and Ross rock... but it's really a 2 man show.

I love it when Rush plays a few tunes without the click tracks, they really loosen up and jam. Complete with missed notes, dropped sticks, fucked up bass runs, but it's all so dynanic and live, it's worth it. 2112 is one of the tunes where they just cut loose and have fun with it. Same with YYZ. Geddy's face is priceless when he frucks up those solos.

Texafana....This is where I call you out for all those vibrato comments......Most "good" drummers LOVE click tracks. I love you anyways, you sexless little editorialist,

Jeremey wrote:

Saint John wrote:

Jeremey wrote:

Saint John wrote:

Jeremey wrote:Dan...

I'm telling you, Deen....As much as any drummer, there is not a machine built into them. They cannot synch the lightshow without a click track...Fuck the backgound vocals, Deen could sing them live all year long

Pont taken. I missed your point being about the lights....but fuck the lights!!!

Smitty, as much as being one of the best 4 drummers in the world, lost his gig with Journey in 1985 without being able to hold up to a click track. He will tell you as much

Smitty quit his job back then and he told me as much.

Why did he tell you he quit? Too much money?

Couldn't do, and didn't want to do, the click track.

Mr. H, you are wrong. They like practicing to one because it helps improve their internal timing. Most professional drummers, we're talking the big wigs, not hired studio fingers, do not like click tracks in a live situation.

Does Styx use a click track? Was it too hard for John to keep up when he had his personal problems going on?

Wrong forum, I know.

Gunbot wrote:Does Styx use a click track?

Who gives a fuck!!!

texafana wrote:Mr. H, you are wrong. They like practicing to one because it helps improve their internal timing. Most professional drummers, we're talking the big wigs, not hired studio fingers, do not like click tracks in a live situation.

Well, I say poo poo on that. You know our current drummer insists on a click track, even for the songs we do not use any vox on.